Why isn't Albert Pujols being investigated for steroids?

[SVTVenom]

I think it is quite perplexing to me that everyone is quick to jump on the "Bonds did steroids and thats what made him hit 73 homeruns" bandwagon. Yet nobody has questioned how Albert Pujols has now hit 12 homeruns in 19 games. If steroids = HR's like everyone says then he must have a needle sticking out of him on a constant basis.

[Geor!]

I think it is quite perplexing to me that everyone is quick to jump on the "Bonds did steroids and thats what made him hit 73 homeruns" bandwagon. Yet nobody has questioned how Albert Pujols has now hit 12 homeruns in 19 games. If steroids = HR's like everyone says then he must have a needle sticking out of him on a constant basis.
I thought about that myself the other day when someone on ESPN was all but sucking his dick.

[SVTVenom]

I thought about that myself the other day when someone on ESPN was all but sucking his dick.

If he continues this pace he'd have around 102 HR's if he played every game. Now I know that is highly unlikely, but he is on an unusually fast HR pace even for a top caliber player.

[ls1eater]

Bonds came into the league skinny as hell first of all, and then he hit a solid 40 hr's a year till he was swole, they popped off 73. Albert came to the league huge so how can you hate on a guy for starting the season hot.

besides steroids dont make you a good hitter it just makes the ball that goes to the warning track go over the fence and the ones over the fence out of the park. :D

[SVTVenom]

Bonds came into the league skinny as hell first of all, and then he hit a solid 40 hr's a year till he was swole, they popped off 73. Albert came to the league huge so how can you hate on a guy for starting the season hot.

besides steroids dont make you a good hitter it just makes the ball that goes to the warning track go over the fence and the ones over the fence out of the park. :D

Well, according to everyone who has an outlet in the media the beef roids = HR's. I'm not hating on anyone here. I just think its a bit of a double standard for everyone to jump on Barry Bonds, regardless of his attitude, and not look at other people that may be potentially using.

Just because you are "big" doesn't mean anything. A person can get "big" simply through their natural genetic characteristics and/or hard work in the weight room.

[Hollywood]

Pujols has been hitting 35+ since he came to the majors, and has not eclipsed 46. How can you compare a guy who hits 30-46 HR's every year to a guy who averaged 30+ then suddenly breaks out with a 70 hr year? Take a look at the fact that Pujols has always been big compared to Bonds who just suddenly got big over one winter in 2000/2001. Do the fucking math.

[SVTVenom]

Pujols has been hitting 35+ since he came to the majors, and has not eclipsed 46. How can you compare a guy who hits 30-46 HR's every year to a guy who averaged 30+ then suddenly breaks out with a 70 hr year? Take a look at the fact that Pujols has always been big compared to Bonds who just suddenly got big over one winter in 2000/2001. Do the fucking math.

I've already done the math earlier in this thread. How do you explain this huge surge of HR's? Thats almost 1/4 of his yearly production in only 19 games. I think he's a great player/hitter, but c'mon....that isn't a bit fishy to you?

Bonds averaged about 33 HR's a season before the record breaking 73 and had 4 40+ HR seasons before that as well as 3 40+ HR seasons after.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Nobody says steroids = homeruns. Nobody. Everybody says that steroids = more muscle mass. More muscle mass + sound technique = homeruns.

And 12 homeruns in 19 games? That's an impressive run, but hits, wins, homeruns, and the like come and go in streaks and spurts in baseball; he'll cool off sooner or later. There's no way he'll break 70, let alone 102. Now, if he hits the 70+ mark, you might be on to something.

[SVTVenom]

Nobody says steroids = homeruns.

There have been plenty of people that have equated taking steroids to an increase in HR production. Why would it be a big deal if it didn't supposedly do anything?

It will be interesting to see how far this hot play goes.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

It does do something. It increases muscle. Good mechanics and muscle together make homeruns. If the guy has muscle but doesn't have the mechanics, he's not going to do much; likewise, if the guy has the mechanics but doesn't have the muscle, he won't be hitting barrels of homeruns.

Bonds had the mechanics beforehand. (It is speculated :rolleyes: ) that he takes steroids; now he has more muscle and can hit homeruns more easily - his hands get around on the ball quicker, and he has both the upper and lower body strength to take just about any pitch out.

[93powerranger]

I was thinking the same thing....about the roid thing for him....but we dont know too much about him....even his real age....so who really knows.....he is hot this year...but look at that red headed guy from the twins...he had like 9 in 12 games....he is anything but BIG......we will find out....who says bonds is on them...there is not a test out there that he hasnt passed...so sayeth bonds.

[SVTVenom]

It does do something. It increases muscle. Good mechanics and muscle together make homeruns. If the guy has muscle but doesn't have the mechanics, he's not going to do much; likewise, if the guy has the mechanics but doesn't have the muscle, he won't be hitting barrels of homeruns.

Bonds had the mechanics beforehand. (It is speculated :rolleyes: ) that he takes steroids; now he has more muscle and can hit homeruns more easily - his hands get around on the ball quicker, and he has both the upper and lower body strength to take just about any pitch out.

I definately agree on the theory that more muscle mass + great hand/eye = more HR's.

However, you have people who are saying that hitters who simply are average and then take steroids will hit more HR's simply because of the increased power they have.

[kenny c]

Nobody says steroids = homeruns. Nobody. Everybody says that steroids = more muscle mass. More muscle mass + sound technique = homeruns.



I say this does... (please see year 1996):

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderbr01.shtml

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I was thinking the same thing....about the roid thing for him....but we dont know too much about him....even his real age....so who really knows.....he is hot this year...but look at that red headed guy from the twins...he had like 9 in 12 games....he is anything but BIG......we will find out....who says bonds is on them...there is not a test out there that he hasnt passed...so sayeth bonds.You mean Chris Shelton, the first baseman for the Tigers (that was hitting like .700 5 or 6 games into the season), the guy that looks like Lou (the first baseman for the Twins) from Little Big League? :DI definately agree on the theory that more muscle mass + great hand/eye = more HR's.

However, you have people who are saying that hitters who simply are average and then take steroids will hit more HR's simply because of the increased power they have.But when was Barry Bonds a "simply average" hitter? ;)

[SVTVenom]

But when was Barry Bonds a "simply average" hitter? ;)

I didn't say that. I was stating that you have people who believe in the theory that an average hitter can take steroids and turn him into a HR monster on the simple fact that he has merely increased his muscle mass.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I say this does... (please see year 1996):

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderbr01.shtmlAnderson was a decent hitter, though.

I'm done with this topic, though, because I feel like I'm starting to sound more and more like a know-it-all prick with each reply. I'm really not. :o

[cbrjames]

Anderson was a decent hitter, though.

I'm done with this topic, though, because I feel like I'm starting to sound more and more like a know-it-all prick with each reply. I'm really not. :o

Dude, stfu, baseball sucks! :rolleyes:

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Dude, stfu, baseball sucks! :rolleyes:Riiiight.

[kenny c]

Anderson was a decent hitter, though.

I'm done with this topic, though, because I feel like I'm starting to sound more and more like a know-it-all prick with each reply. I'm really not. :o


Lenny Dykstra... Darrin Daulton... baseball = steroids = homeruns

[Denny]

It screams hypocrisy when, for years, the league never really frowned on it. All of the sudden, we start having home run races, 30-40 year records being broken, only to be broken a few years later. If you're going to investigate a few, you need to investigate everyone.

So now you have trials and investigations, some leading to suspensions.Then come the player-called press conferences, allegations of perjury, confessions being made into books and published, etc. What's going to be done now? Change the record books? Put the infamous "*" everywhere?

If speeding wasn't a crime and everyone did it, then one day someone decides to make it illegal, are the police going to go back and write everyone a ticket who sped in the past?

I'm not an advocte for steroid use, I'm just saying that the league should just make it illegal and go from there with current testing of players and issue penalties from there. Don't dig up the past. Baseball was on such a downslope in popularity for so long, it needed a "boost" any way it could get it. I have been a baseball fan all my life. In the early to mid 90's, I saw how few fans baseball actually had. It was truely sad for the sport. I didn't mind. I would buy "nose-bleed" tickets and scoot right on down to the front at games, no long consession lines, no sitting next to people who would ask, "What's happening now?", no screaming kids, just other people like me who were truely there for the enjoyment of the game. It was as close to a basebal Utopia as I could imagine, but it wasn't so great for the league. The sport wasn't making the money it was supposed to generate and with players asking for more, it was even worse. The league's answers lied with three words: "Long-Ball Hero." I know this sounds like I'm some sort of conspiracy theorist, but I'm telling you that this is the source of the subject here. No, it wasn't shoved down the throat of every athlete. It was merely laid out as an option that wouldn't be frown upon by the league (all the way to the Commissioner). Ya, I said it! In some cases, the players were even persuaded to use it. Specialists were called in to refine it's use to give the impression that certain programs were "safe" to use. It goes on and on...

Anyway, it worked. Home run numbers went up. Hell, we even had one of the best home run chases in the history of the sport! Do you realize the "boom" effect that had at the ballparks? That was one of the best business moves made by the league in years! All is great until the big-bad Federal Government comes in with their questioning, investigations, and trials. All of the sudden, you have a commissioner with his hand over his mouth, gasping at the thought that his players might be abusing steroids. Now the league wants to look down on some of the players that saved the sport from extinction? They even look into going back on years to bring out convictions? Fucking makes me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love baseball! I truely love the sport. Always have and always will. Just hate the damn politics and ass-covering that's going on.

[Hollywood]

I've already done the math earlier in this thread. How do you explain this huge surge of HR's? Thats almost 1/4 of his yearly production in only 19 games. I think he's a great player/hitter, but c'mon....that isn't a bit fishy to you?

Bonds averaged about 33 HR's a season before the record breaking 73 and had 4 40+ HR seasons before that as well as 3 40+ HR seasons after.

If Pujols continues at the pace, yes, i'll think it's fishy.

[BP]

They've been playing the Brewers, Pirates, Reds and a Cubs team with most of their pitching staff on the DL. He's been facing bottom of the barrel pitching and he's a top notch hitter.

[BP]

I say this does... (please see year 1996):

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderbr01.shtml

How about 2001 for Aurilia?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aurilri01.shtml

I'd say he started hitting the juice right around the same time Bonds did and quit when the ban started.

Pujols, Griffey and ARod all stand a chance of passing Aaron's record if they can stay healthy. None of them look like users to me.

[davidaustin]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the new ballpark he's playing in.

Hell if Bonds was playing in Colorado he'd have 800 HR's

[PaintitBlack95]

I hate this steroid crap! It has really killed the game. I love baseball and now I cant watch a player do good without wondering if it was because of steroids. Oh well I guess I will just enjoy all the homeruns :)

[def1eppard]

Basically everyone agrees that the game of baseball is very streaky and does have slumps and hot streaks. So the reason nobody has jumped on Pujols is because a whole season hasn't been played. Just like everyone said, if he continues like this throughout the season...then it will bring up some questions.

[Denny]

Basically everyone agrees that the game of baseball is very streaky and does have slumps and hot streaks. So the reason nobody has jumped on Pujols is because a whole season hasn't been played. Just like everyone said, if he continues like this throughout the season...then it will bring up some questions.
Ya, he won't stay on pace even if he goes to the plate with an IV stuck in his arm.

[Got5onIt]

Pujols has yet to fail a drug test even with the new guidelines, why so quick to judge? Albert's been buff since the day he entered the league. I'm sure the league is keeping an eye on him, he's a budding superstar. Besides, the spotlight is on Bonds and will be the entire season.

[ls1eater]

Pujols has yet to fail a drug test even with the new guidelines, why so quick to judge? Albert's been buff since the day he entered the league. I'm sure the league is keeping an eye on him, he's a budding superstar. Besides, the spotlight is on Bonds and will be the entire season.

very true the guy is a monster, there no telling what he did when he was young but but hes roid free now.

[SVTVenom]

Ya, he won't stay on pace even if he goes to the plate with an IV stuck in his arm.

19 HR's in 36 games. Thats still around an 88 HR pace.

[SVTVenom]

Make that 21 HR's in 41 games.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

He's losing momentum!

A: 12/19 = .63
B: 19/36 = .53
C: 21/41 = .51

Also of note, he hit 7 homeruns in 17 games going from A to B (.41); 2 homeruns in 5 games going from B to C (.40), and 9 homeruns in 22 games going from A to C (.41). While the number of homeruns he is hitting is increasing, the rate at which this number is increasing is decreasing.

[SVTVenom]

He's losing momentum!

A: 12/19 = .63
B: 19/36 = .53
C: 21/41 = .51

Also of note, he hit 7 homeruns in 17 games going from A to B (.41); 2 homeruns in 5 games going from B to C (.40), and 9 homeruns in 22 games going from A to C (.41). While the number of homeruns he is hitting is increasing, the rate at which this number is increasing is decreasing.

The problem lies in that the most HR's he has EVER hit in a season is 46 in 2004. Thats almost half of his best full season's production in only 41 games. Even at a .51 pace thats over 80 HR's.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

He's slowing down; he'll slow down even more. This could be a career year for him, but I don't see him hitting more than 15 homeruns more than he has before.

[Unseen]

I think that there are a lot more of our sports heroes that do steroids than the general public wants to believe.

I'm not talking about a couple guys here and there, either.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Some are just better about hiding it. :D

[Unseen]

Some are just better about hiding it. :D

I would change "some are" to "damn near every professional athlete is"

[Vertnut]

Roger Maris never hit over 39 HR's before he hit 61, in 1961. Never hit more than 33 after 1961...He had 1 monster year, and that was it. I doubt it was 'roids.

[Super Coupe]

I've already done the math earlier in this thread. How do you explain this huge surge of HR's? Thats almost 1/4 of his yearly production in only 19 games. I think he's a great player/hitter, but c'mon....that isn't a bit fishy to you?

Bonds averaged about 33 HR's a season before the record breaking 73 and had 4 40+ HR seasons before that as well as 3 40+ HR seasons after.


It's called a hot streak. It won't last all season.

[SVTVenom]

It's called a hot streak. It won't last all season.

A hot streak on HR's that lasts 41 games? I don't think so.

[ls1eater]

A hot streak on HR's that lasts 41 games? I don't think so.

have you ever played baseball, im mean passed little league. :(

[SVTVenom]

have you ever played baseball, im mean passed little league. :(

It doesn't take a person who has played baseball professionally to figure this out. I doubt anyone on this board has played professionally i.e. (MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc.)

[ls1eater]

i never said anything about playing in the mlb, you must not understand the game well enough to know that Albert isnt on steroids and people get hot in baseball i hate to break it to ya, but i guess people just cant give a guy credit anymore for being a great player and showing up to the park focused and ready to play hard everyday.

[SVTVenom]

i never said anything about playing in the mlb, you must not understand the game well enough to know that Albert isnt on steroids and people get hot in baseball i hate to break it to ya, but i guess people just cant give a guy credit anymore for being a great player and showing up to the park focused and ready to play hard everyday.

No, it is just a double standard. People want to say that Bonds used steroids because of the person he is, but won't question anyone else even though things might be a bit fishy.

[SVTVenom]

Check that, make it 22 HR's in 42 games as he hit yet another today. Thats still about an 83 homer pace.

[ls1eater]

i would be willing to bet that hes been tested anyways, and yes bonds is an ass so people and the media are much harder on him about the hole subject.

besides do you personaly go to pro games to watcha guy go 4 for4 or a guy go 1 for 3 with a massive home run. Bonds steroids or not people go to watch him hit home runs so why do the same people so critical of him

[SVTVenom]

i would be willing to bet that hes been tested anyways, and yes bonds is an ass so people and the media are much harder on him about the hole subject.

besides do you personaly go to pro games to watcha guy go 4 for4 or a guy go 1 for 3 with a massive home run. Bonds steroids or not people go to watch him hit home runs so why do the same people so critical of him

I agree, but people don't like it when you use the same argument against other players.

[SVTVenom]

Now 23 HR's in 44 games.

[LannyN9NE]

No, it is just a double standard. People want to say that Bonds used steroids because of the person he is, but won't question anyone else even though things might be a bit fishy.

If Puljos would have been connected to BALCO you would have an arguement. As he has never been linked to any form of steriods I just see it as you reaching for the sake of it.

[Denny]

Now 23 HR's in 44 games.
Just like I showed him...

[Blakcharger440]

Has Bonds ever tested positive for steroids? I am not saying he has not used them because hell I dont know,... but how can you say he did simply because he got bigger?
Fuck I have seen dudes get alot bigger once they started working out correctly,eating right,etc. I myself increased muscle mass and size bigtime once I started working out so that argument doesnt mean chit.

Me thinks its more because of whos record is going to be broken and who is going to break it.

[mustang_marc]

Well, the chase is over. Looks like he's headed to the DL with a strained oblique muscle.

[Vertnut]

Pujols is done. Maybe for a long time. Muscle strains tend to haunt power hitters in some form or fashion. Even the Mick had issues when he got out of his 20's. If you look back to almost every season, some one is threatening a record, or "on pace" to break a record. Truth is, something happens most of the time to derail it.