It is a truly sad day for Republicans when....

[Sgt Beavis]

Hillary Clinton has better ideas on immigration..

Mind you, I don't agree with everything she suggests on immigration but she has the most importaint aspect of the illegal Mexican immigration problem down cold. She wants a fence and a secure border. On this Hillary is dead on right. If she can pull it off, she'll truly be a Presidential contender beyond the primaries.


Border battler

Hillary wants to build a U.S.-Mexico fence first — and she's right

Apart from a well-chosen warning about criminalizing Jesus, Sen. Hillary Clinton hasn't waded too deeply into the details of the immigration mess. Until now.

In an interview Friday, she cited specific goals that could, and hopefully will, become the heart of bipartisan legislation that might actually fix this national crisis.

A fence or a wall? She's for it.

A two-step process, where our borders are secured before the 11 million illegal immigrants already here begin to get legalized? She's for that, too.

The sudden crackdown by Washington on employers who hire illegal immigrants? She welcomes it.

The work and school boycott advocacy groups are planning for May 1? She's against it.

And she said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans more and better jobs in their own country.

Here is one of the saddest, but true statements that she makes:


"It's obviously a political decision, but I welcome it," Clinton said. "We need to send a clear message to employers and anyone else who would exploit immigrants, including smugglers." Lest anyone think she's soft on President Bush, she faulted his administration for being "incompetent and all over the place" on enforcement.

This statement is made in reference to the recent immigration crackdown at a Houston company that manufactures pallets.

The rest of this opinion peice is here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/411104p-347791c.html


More on this here:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/21/233417.shtml

Heck, this woman is even more concerned about the border with CANADA then GW is.

I'm not saying I would vote for her for President, but if I were living in NY, I would certainly consider re-electing her to the Senate.

Just sad, sad, sad. Most of the Republicans in Congress and the White House have their heads up their 3rd point of contact on this matter and Hillary Clinton is speaking with the most common sence. Too bad she has so many morons in her party handicapping her.

[Fobra]

Interesting, I agree with what she says, but my gut is telling me that this her way of moving to the center by what she "says." Her problem is that what she says doesn't exactly line up with her record of how she votes on this issue, if anything, her statements contradict her voting record. So, in that sense, I think she's just playing politics and won't firmly stand by her statements, if she wants me to believe what she says, then she'll have to show it now by how she votes, actions speak louder than words.

[ALLAN]

I would rather have illegals running around than that bitch trying to take away the 2nd amendment.

[Sgt Beavis]

Both of you have valid points, which is why I said I would never vote for her as President. But my main point here is that the Republicans, the so called "Conservative Party" is doing a really SHITTY job on this issue.

Can they really be called Conservative any longer? IMO GW certainly can't be.

[Vertnut]

Both of you have valid points, which is why I said I would never vote for her as President. But my main point here is that the Republicans, the so called "Conservative Party" is doing a really SHITTY job on this issue.

Can they really be called Conservative any longer? IMO GW certainly can't be.
This is the one issue I think Dubya has dropped the ball on. Yep.I voted for him both times, and don't regret it, but he has done NOTHING with the illegal immigrant issue.
On another note...Hillary is full of shit. She will say and do ANYTHING to draw attention. Remember the national health care debacle she came up with. Saying something someone wants to hear, and then doing something about it, are two different things. She strikes me as having an alligator mouth, but a tweety-bird ass...

[jyro]

Hardly lol

http://www.jokester.com/graphics/hillary.butt.gif

[Vertnut]

Hardly lol

http://www.jokester.com/graphics/hillary.butt.gif

Figuratively speaking, of course! :D Man, her ass looks like somebody hit it with a sack of ugly nickels! Damn!

[D]

I agree with what she said as well. But in my eyes Democrats are a "talk now, act never" party.

[BP]

Bush may be having troubles with immigration control but atleast he's doing something. Clinton got a pass on border security but now that Bush is trying to do something about it everyone starts bitching and being critical?

[ceyko]

The problem is a 3'-20' wall is not enough. Those can be broken through. It needs to be supplemented by electricity at a minimum...but that also would not be sufficient.

I'm thinking mines - although I'm not sure if the terrain allows for that. (Rain washing them away...etc) Also, patrols need to be able to shoot to kill if people bust through or otherwise cross over in an unauthorized manner.

[BP]

Claymores and trip wires along with some bouncing bettys would sure deter some folks from coming over. Hell put a net on both ends of the Rio Grande and fill it up with Piranhas, Bull sharks and snakes. The you could lay razor wire all along the shore line with some strategically placed machine gun nests and a random sniper. Oh yeah, can't forget about artillery.

[ceyko]

There are certainly options. However, I'm still saying this needs to be done on the Canadian border too. This is not a Mexican thing to me, as I'm worried about terrorists as well.

The problem is, that it'll take 10, 20...50 years to get our current population of illegals and terrorists under control. The sooner we start, the better off we'll be.

I suspect you were mostly being sarcastic. My point is that a 3 ft picket fence is not going to cut it.

[Sgt Beavis]

There are certainly options. However, I'm still saying this needs to be done on the Canadian border too. This is not a Mexican thing to me, as I'm worried about terrorists as well.

The problem is, that it'll take 10, 20...50 years to get our current population of illegals and terrorists under control. The sooner we start, the better off we'll be.

I suspect you were mostly being sarcastic. My point is that a 3 ft picket fence is not going to cut it.

You've got a point about the Canadian border, however we're not looking at a flood of illegals crossing the northern border. Because of that, it is easier to monitor that border than it is for the much smaller border with Mexico. A fence, like the one Israel is building right now, would be effective on the southern border, but cost WAYYY too much on the northern border. Our money would be better spent with patrols, UAV's, and more advanced sensors.

[BP]

Our money would be better spent with patrols, UAV's, and more advanced sensors.

Sounds like a cut and paste from Bush's speech today.

And yes I was being a little sarcastic. You couldn't net up the entire river:)

You've still got the entire gulf and the East coast to worry about. Seal those holes up and you'll have the Baja Peninsula. If they want in a fence won't stop them.

A better answer is to control the job market and allow certain businesses to operate with temporary migrant workers. Then you can regulate the workers as well by issuing temporary worker permits. If you don't have a permit you don't work. They aren't citizens so they aren't taxed and aren't eligible for any government progams. We can also do background checks and run them all through interpol before they ever come over.

[Paladin]

There are certainly options. However, I'm still saying this needs to be done on the Canadian border too. This is not a Mexican thing to me, as I'm worried about terrorists as well.

The problem is, that it'll take 10, 20...50 years to get our current population of illegals and terrorists under control. The sooner we start, the better off we'll be.

I suspect you were mostly being sarcastic. My point is that a 3 ft picket fence is not going to cut it.

I agree.

[AL P]

She isn't doing anything but gathering support for a run at the White House. This hardline policy will be as soft as a baby's ass come election time.

[Vertnut]

She isn't doing anything but gathering support for a run at the White House. This hardline policy will be as soft as a baby's ass come election time.
Yep. She'd suck Janet Reno's dick if she thought it would make headlines.

[mikeb]

Bunch of rhetoric. She's a senator; if she feels that strongly about the issue then where is the legislation that she has sponsored in this area?

IMO the republicans are losing election year traction on immigration, government spending, and cost of living issues at the common man level. These issues along with the war in iraq I think will define the next election.

[Vertnut]

Bunch of rhetoric. She's a senator; if she feels that strongly about the issue then where is the legislation that she has sponsored in this area?

IMO the republicans are losing election year traction on immigration, government spending, and cost of living issues at the common man level. These issues along with the war in iraq I think will define the next election.
In a nutshell, I think you're right on.