"End Times" on 91.7

[SVT93Style]

I am the first to dismiss the topic of reveltions and endtimes but I must say this guy has a point. He has a show called "Religion and Politics" on 91.7 his name is Irvin Baxter. I was listening to the radio on the way to class while this guy was applying current events in regards to China, Russia, Iran and Iraq to biblical prophecy. I don't bring this up to scare anyone or anything of that nature but rather would like to discuss these topics b/c they are a part of the Bible and the Christian faith. Basically I would like to learn more about this b/c I do not know much about this topic.
P.S. I don't necessary believe what this guy is saying but I am open to his opinion. It seems to me that revelation's is a tricky book and is open to interpertaion.

He was covering Ezekiel 38 and parts of the Book of Revelations and it was strange to say the least.

One, as the bible states there will be a war that kills 1/3 or man kind that begins at the euphrates river...which is in Iraq and we all know we are at war there.

Two, bible speaks of a power that can put 200 million on the battlefield...China did this a few months ago...the exact number.

Three, in Ezekiel 38 talks about "Meshech" which this guy says is the root word for Moscow...the passage is a Prophecy about Gog and a future invasion of Israel....which also brings up Persia which is modern day Iran. This guy ties these things together with the current situation with the Iran and Russia's nuclear agreement and the fact that everytime the president of Iran speaks he talks about whipping Israel off the Map.

These are the highlights, I haven't even finished the whole broadcast yet. Here is a link that will allow you to download the broadcast...you can really skip ahead to around the 8 min mark.
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/endtime/media/mp3/PR022806.mp3

[sanford&son]

Have you ever wondered if the people during WW2 ,jews inparticular, were thinking the end was near? Just a thought from my random brain activity.

[SVT93Style]

Have you ever wondered if the people during WW2 ,jews inparticular, were thinking the end was near? Just a thought from my random brain activity.

Not sure, maybe. I really don't know much about the Jewish faith and entimes...but I would doubt that is what they were thinking. Reason being is they were still waiting for the messiah, not the end.

[Fobra]

There were people during WW2 who thought those were the end times because they thought Hitler was the anti-christ, but if they read scripture more accurately, they should have known that Hitler doesn't fit the profile of the anti-christ as described in revelations.

[butt86]

Have you ever wondered if the people during WW2 ,jews inparticular, were thinking the end was near? Just a thought from my random brain activity.
i highly doubt the jews thought of it as the end times, because as far as i know they dont even believe the original Messiah has come yet

[SlowLX]

The "end times" has come and passed alot by now. :rolleyes: Forget trying to predict it.

[def1eppard]

You could probably connect the "end times" to a part of the Middle East at any point in history.

[jherich]

You could probably connect the "end times" to a part of the Middle East at any point in history.

If you listen to his show he points out several reason why he believes the end time is now, and even list specific events, and how they relate to the Bible and our current world.

Its a great show, and Endtime Ministries is now here in Texas, they just moved to Garland a few months ago from IN. If you would like to know more about the world you live in, that show will point out alot, and its from a Bible based Christian view point.

[90LSC]

The end time have been upon us ever since a few people got together and called themselves christians.

Every few years since the beggining of christianity somebody pops up, ties events to passages in the Bible and makes it sound like it's about to hit the fan.

Just another self promoting crackpot.

[exlude]

There are new predictions of the "end times" every decade. There are always similarities, always have been, always will be. Right along with those similarities will be the people screaming that the sky is falling...year, after year, after year.

[black02mustang]

If you read something over and over, you start to get your own interpretations of what it means. Just like the bible, there is always a way someone can "quote" the bible to have it parallel other current events. What is that newspaper that always has quotes from nostradamus predicting WWIII, and the end of times, and what not?

[jherich]

I understand what your saying, but it if you havn't heard the show, or what they have to say, then its kind of like screaming in the dark at a deaf blind man telling him to stop. It doesn't really matter, because he can't hear, or see what your screaming about.

Give the show a chance, it may change your mind.

[black02mustang]

Have you read the book of revelations? If Im wrong please tell me, but does the book of revelations actully say 200 millon? I can't specifically recall and I don't have the time right now to look at it again, but I don't think it does. Just a thought. Again, I could be wrong.

[DarkWolf]

Revelations 9:13

The army of the four angels sent to destroy 1/3 of man, numbered "two hundred thousand thousand"... but they came from the Euphrates river... a bit west of China, to be sure.

And it's not "a power that can put 200 million on the battlefield" ... it's specifically the army of the 4 angels that God appointed to destroy 1/3 of man. Unless you want to say China, being predominantly Buddhist, is God's appointed army.

[SVT93Style]

Revelations 9:13

The army of the four angels sent to destroy 1/3 of man, numbered "two hundred thousand thousand"... but they came from the Euphrates river... a bit west of China, to be sure.

And it's not "a power that can put 200 million on the battlefield" ... it's specifically the army of the 4 angels that God appointed to destroy 1/3 of man. Unless you want to say China, being predominantly Buddhist, is God's appointed army.


God can use all for his pawn's doesn't matter who or where they are.

[DarkWolf]

God can use all for his pawn's doesn't matter who or where they are.

Granted, but you're overlooking the fact it says they came from the Euphrates river. And I think you're also missing the whole "free will" thing. God can't use anyone, if we've got free will.

[SVT93Style]

Granted, but you're overlooking the fact it says they came from the Euphrates river. And I think you're also missing the whole "free will" thing. God can't use anyone, if we've got free will.

I hear you. But I think the idea is that the Iraq war will continue for years, and China will become an ally of theirs. If that is the case, and the battle in being fought in Iraq and Iran the Chinese will intervean and cross the euphrates.

As far as the whole "free will thing" goes I look at it this way. If they have already made there choice and choose to worship the creation and not the creator; and it is in end of times God will do what "he" wants...period.

[DarkWolf]

I hear you. But I think the idea is that the Iraq war will continue for years, and China will become an ally of theirs. If that is the case, and the battle in being fought in Iraq and Iran the Chinese will intervean and cross the euphrates.

As far as the whole "free will thing" goes I look at it this way. If they have already made there choice and choose to worship the creation and not the creator; and it is in end of times God will do what "he" wants...period.

To do so, would violate any covenant God (either as himself, or as Jesus) has made with mankind. Which would mean God changes his mind. Which would mean he makes mistakes, and throws the "perfect" being idea right out the window.

[SVT93Style]

To do so, would violate any covenant God (either as himself, or as Jesus) has made with mankind. Which would mean God changes his mind. Which would mean he makes mistakes, and throws the "perfect" being idea right out the window.


Agree to disagree, I don't see how this would be.

[jherich]

Because Chiarman Mao once said China could field an army of 200 million, alot of that refrences is to China, but there a chance it could be in refrence to th Islamic world as well, when you consider how many muslims there are, and that many of them consider themselves united against Non Muslims.

As far as God changing his mind, I don't think thats the case, but if God did that would mean God did, and that would be ok. Because God is God.

I guess that would just be one of those faith things, if you believe you believe, and if yo don't you don't.

Just becasue we have free will doesn't mean we can't be influenced, and used by God, and other spiritual creatures. God being God knows everything, it just our limited view that makes us think that if he knows everything then we don't have free will, but again, I think thats one of those you have to have faith things.

Does any of that make any sense.

[BrianC]

Let me explain "free will" and "predestination" real quick. Jesus said we did not pick him, he picked us before the foundations of the earth were laid. God also can predict exactly what the world itself is going to do and what the antichrist is going to do. All that this means is that he knows us better than we know ourselves, and therefore can predict exactly what we're going to do. So, he knows everyone that will choose him, and everyone that will not choose him. Free will is still intact.

The army of 200 million is a simple predestination thing. He KNEW this army would go forth and kill 1/3rd of the world's population, and he warned us ahead of time.

Oh, and God never "changed his mind". He didn't have to. He forsaw this a long time ago and knows exactly what will happen. And who knows how quatum physics works...besides God himself. :)

[BrianC]

Currently China hates us. They have said many times that they have 180 ICBMs (Intercontinental Balistic Missiles) aimed at many of our major cities. They claim that when they invade Taiwan, if we defend Taiwan, they will fire on us. And then M.A.D. takes effect "mutually assured destruction"...however, we actually have a way to take down nukes now. We never built a missile defense system like Israel has which works properly. We found that we can launch the old Amram missiles and take down ICBMs everytime. We haven't missed one in testing thus far.

Most likely, they'd fire on us, we'd take down their missiles, and we'd fire on them. We could very possibly take down an entire country, which is 1.6 billion currently. The nuclear fall out would kill off much of India, if I remember correctly. And there are 800 million in India. If they could get out of India in time, a fewer number would be killed. 2.2 billion must be killed, roughly, to kill off 1/3rd of the population of the world. That's most likely what would take place. China bought a TON of nukes from Russian in the past few years. Oddly enough, they bought all of our debt, as well...hmmmmm...strange.

[BrianC]

In light of the Iran nuclear controversy, the U.S. is, or did recently, test the largest bomb ever built. It's non-nuclear and it will produce a blast 40 times more powerful than our biggest nuclear missile (or bigger than hiroshima...one of those). It'll cover 175 square miles. It also is designed to go deep into the ground and through concrete before exploding. It's speculated that this bomb is specifically designed for taking out a nuclear facility. I think this one's being built specifically for Iran in case they do complete a nuke so we can go in and take it out quickly.