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V8driver
02-08-2006, 02:55 PM
does anyone think the legend has still got it?
I think Hughes will take him. Gracie is the man, but he's getting old. It'll be a good fight for sure.
MR TINFOIL HAT
02-08-2006, 03:10 PM
when is this?
I'm a big Hughes fan, but I think Gracie will win this one. Thankfully it's not a title match. People seem to forget that Gracieruled the UFCwhen there was no weight classes.
I'm a big Hughes fan, but I think Gracie will win this one. Thankfully it's not a title match. People seem to forget that Gracieruled the UFCwhen there was no weight classes.
10 years ago....when people did know what BJJ is....now every MMA fighter knows some BJJ and how to defend. Matt is just too strong and to good for Gracie.
Wario
02-08-2006, 08:54 PM
Bj Penn
Matt93Cobra
02-08-2006, 09:02 PM
I'm a big Hughes fan, but I think Gracie will win this one. Thankfully it's not a title match. People seem to forget that Gracieruled the UFCwhen there was no weight classes.
I agree w/Nate. Gracie still "has it" in a BJJ match or an MMA match w/"special rules." Matt is going to pound his way to a TKO stoppage.
Royce has no stand up and very little takedown ability. Let's assume he does get Matt down, I think Matt's sub-defense is good enough to thwart a submission.
Why do you think Royce will beat him and how?
propellerhead
02-08-2006, 09:34 PM
I'd like to see Gracie get his ass kicked. He had his moments during UFC 1 to 10, or whatever. Besides, his grappling may be very effective but stand up punching is still more fun to watch.
I agree w/Nate. Gracie still "has it" in a BJJ match or an MMA match w/"special rules." Matt is going to pound his way to a TKO stoppage.
Royce has no stand up and very little takedown ability. Let's assume he does get Matt down, I think Matt's sub-defense is good enough to thwart a submission.
Why do you think Royce will beat him and how?
That's one of the great things about BJJ, the age stretches farther with it then say boxing. (Though you could never tell by Foreman lol)
Don't get me wrong, like I said I'ma big Hughes fan and hope that he wins so his title stays unquestioned. But Gracie has been defending the ground and pound since he was a kid and a rear naked choke won't be so easy for Hughes this time around. He's really gonna have work cut out for him this time. That's really all we have seen from Hughes submission wise, rear naked, occasional arm bar and ground and pound. These are simple basics in the Gracie camp.
Juiced89lx
02-08-2006, 09:55 PM
I think we will see alot of Matt Hughes's kickboxing in this fight. I don't think he will go to the ground with Royce even if he has the chance too.
Fobra
02-08-2006, 10:56 PM
Hughes will win because he's more well rounded and not as 1 dimentional as Gracie is imo
dudeitstaylor
02-08-2006, 11:14 PM
I think we will see alot of Matt Hughes's kickboxing in this fight. I don't think he will go to the ground with Royce even if he has the chance too.
Do you have any vids of either 2 u could post in the video forum?
dudeitstaylor
02-08-2006, 11:32 PM
ps, gracies is an OLD MAN
SS Junk
02-09-2006, 12:46 AM
It seems when Gracie was in his prime the opponents he fought were nothing more than bar brawlers with a handful using Greco-Roman wrestling technique. I too think Matt will try to stay on his feet as much as possible. It would be fucking fantastic to see him go to the ground though. I'm wondering if Matt could out power Gracie, get him on his back and see if Gracie would know what to do.
I hope matt takes this one.
Wario
02-09-2006, 06:59 AM
Matt may be a bad ass but he's not untappable. http://www.sherdog.com/images/pictures/353.jpg
Matt93Cobra
02-09-2006, 09:14 AM
Matt may be a bad ass but he's not untappable.
True, but to this day, Matt admittedly did not take BJ seriously. He claims he hardly trained for that fight and I tend to believe him. Who would have thought a LW could move up to 170lbs and beat the champ? I think his work ethic has improved since then and it has shown.
BTW, it wouldn't break my heart to see Matt lose.
V8driver
02-09-2006, 09:21 AM
i would like to see gracie win, and even if he didnt he's got an excuse, he's old :p
btw anyone know how old he actually is??
Matt93Cobra
02-09-2006, 10:03 AM
Here is a clip of Matt Hughes getting busted at a UFC event. Funny shit; notice his wife right behind him. :D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3443254320578343587&q=matt+hughes
dudeitstaylor
02-09-2006, 04:18 PM
Here is a clip of Matt Hughes getting busted at a UFC event. Funny shit; notice his wife right behind him. :D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3443254320578343587&q=matt+hughes
haha, i dont blame him! that was a BABE :cool:
Juiced89lx
02-09-2006, 05:15 PM
Do you have any vids of either 2 u could post in the video forum?
Ya ive got some video of Royce and Matt. which fights do you want to see?
Fobra
02-09-2006, 05:27 PM
Here is a clip of Matt Hughes getting busted at a UFC event. Funny shit; notice his wife right behind him. :D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3443254320578343587&q=matt+hughes
lol when did that happen?
StangTamer
02-12-2006, 10:13 AM
I don't think Matt is going to stand with Royce. Royce has a longer reach and Matt is not the best stand up guy in the business(neither is Royce though). Matt is a ground and pound kind of guy. It will go to the ground IMO. I have a feeling Royce will tap Matt. But it could go either way.
Juiced89lx
02-12-2006, 01:33 PM
Royce's stand up looks the same now as it did in UFC 1. Matt's not a striker either but I guarantee his standup is way better than Royce's (even with the reach advantage). The only way this fight goes to the ground is if Matt takes it there. No way in hell will Royce get a takedown on Hughes... That said, Hughes by ref stoppage. He will drop Royce standing and follow up with some elbows.
dudeitstaylor
02-12-2006, 10:03 PM
Ya ive got some video of Royce and Matt. which fights do you want to see?
royce please :)
Royce's stand up looks the same now as it did in UFC 1. Matt's not a striker either but I guarantee his standup is way better than Royce's (even with the reach advantage). The only way this fight goes to the ground is if Matt takes it there. No way in hell will Royce get a takedown on Hughes... That said, Hughes by ref stoppage. He will drop Royce standing and follow up with some elbows.
Bro, with all due respect, and I know you know your stuff. But both of us being experienced martial artists I expected abit more from you. There is no way you can say that Gracie will not be able to take down Hughes with a straight face. gracies stand up doesn't have to be good, because he doesnt fight there. This fight WILL go to the ground. Gracie has no problem what-so-ever taking down guys who outweight him by 100lbs, so why do you think he will have a problem taking down 170lb Hughes? His sprawl isn't the quality of Liddell's or near as strong. Takedowns have nothing to do with strength, it's timing and leverage.
I'm a Hughes fan and follower, but Hughes has his hands full. I give him the punchers chance at best.
Bro, with all due respect, and I know you know your stuff. But both of us being experienced martial artists I expected abit more from you. There is no way you can say that Gracie will not be able to take down Hughes with a straight face. gracies stand up doesn't have to be good, because he doesnt fight there. This fight WILL go to the ground. Gracie has no problem what-so-ever taking down guys who outweight him by 100lbs, so why do you think he will have a problem taking down 170lb Hughes? His sprawl isn't the quality of Liddell's or near as strong. Takedowns have nothing to do with strength, it's timing and leverage.
I'm a Hughes fan and follower, but Hughes has his hands full. I give him the punchers chance at best.
The fighters Royce used to take down back at UFC 1 are not even on the same level and caliber as today's fighers, much less Matt. So much has changed and this is a passing of the torch type event set up by Zuffa to show how far the sport and atheletes have come. Royce WAS a great figher and WAS great for the sport...but no way he dominates this fight imo, or even wins.
ford2050
02-13-2006, 01:07 AM
think Matt will win-but we may be in for a suprise-if he gets Matt's back it's over,not real sure on toe/toe.
zora04
02-13-2006, 02:00 AM
Bro, with all due respect, and I know you know your stuff. But both of us being experienced martial artists I expected abit more from you. There is no way you can say that Gracie will not be able to take down Hughes with a straight face. gracies stand up doesn't have to be good, because he doesnt fight there. This fight WILL go to the ground. Gracie has no problem what-so-ever taking down guys who outweight him by 100lbs, so why do you think he will have a problem taking down 170lb Hughes? His sprawl isn't the quality of Liddell's or near as strong. Takedowns have nothing to do with strength, it's timing and leverage.
I'm a Hughes fan and follower, but Hughes has his hands full. I give him the punchers chance at best.
Why would Royce want to take Matt down? He is more comfortable in his guard. He is still a tricky fighter that can do weird shit from his back. Matt has fought some quality opponents, but none as tricky as Royce. Matt better brush up on his triangle defense. That being said, I still think Hughes will win. I do not think it will be as easy as some people are predicting. If he makes the same mistakes that he made with GSP and his second Trigg fight, I think Royce will submit him. Bottom line, he better train his ass off.
Why would Royce want to take Matt down? He is more comfortable in his guard. He is still a tricky fighter that can do weird shit from his back. Matt has fought some quality opponents, but none as tricky as Royce. Matt better brush up on his triangle defense. That being said, I still think Hughes will win. I do not think it will be as easy as some people are predicting. If he makes the same mistakes that he made with GSP and his second Trigg fight, I think Royce will submit him. Bottom line, he better train his ass off.
Yeah that mistake he made in the Trigg fight...getting hit in the nuts, huge mistake there.
dudeitstaylor
02-13-2006, 11:14 AM
Yeah that mistake he made in the Trigg fight...getting hit in the nuts, huge mistake there.
LMAO! that would be a HUUUGE mistake in any event..... :eek:
zora04
02-13-2006, 06:00 PM
Yeah that mistake he made in the Trigg fight...getting hit in the nuts, huge mistake there.
Protect yourself at all times. Where the hell have I heard that before?
kwikstang91
02-13-2006, 06:27 PM
Hughes is taking him in the first round. Royce was good and still is, but everybody has improved since Royce was the great fighter. Matt will take it to him no problems.
Protect yourself at all times. Where the hell have I heard that before?
:rolleyes: It was a low blow that was missed by the ref...The fight should have been stopped for Hughes to recover instead of him being taken down and put in that posisiton so Trigg could be in control, even still with that, he couldn't finish the fight.
zora04
02-13-2006, 06:53 PM
:rolleyes: It was a low blow that was missed by the ref...The fight should have been stopped for Hughes to recover instead of him being taken down and put in that posisiton so Trigg could be in control, even still with that, he couldn't finish the fight.
I agree completely, it should have been stopped. But he did make the mistake of not protecting himself at all times. The ref actually ran in like he was going to stop the fight, but then hesitated. Matt should not have waited for the ref, but made some effort to protect himself. Instead, he grabbed his dick and turned his back. If he gives Gracie his back there will be a lot of disappointed people around here, myself included.
firedawg
02-13-2006, 07:28 PM
Actually, i think Hu ghes will have an advantage in this fight, based partially on the fact that gracie is accustomed to fighting in full Gi, the UFC now is not a full Gi style, gracie uses the arms of his gi to have a more firm grip, and that makes it easier to hold in a submission type fight, i think it will be one hell of a fight, and i wont miss it.
just my $.02
Juiced89lx
02-13-2006, 08:10 PM
Bro, with all due respect, and I know you know your stuff. But both of us being experienced martial artists I expected abit more from you. There is no way you can say that Gracie will not be able to take down Hughes with a straight face. gracies stand up doesn't have to be good, because he doesnt fight there. This fight WILL go to the ground. Gracie has no problem what-so-ever taking down guys who outweight him by 100lbs, so why do you think he will have a problem taking down 170lb Hughes? His sprawl isn't the quality of Liddell's or near as strong. Takedowns have nothing to do with strength, it's timing and leverage.
I'm a Hughes fan and follower, but Hughes has his hands full. I give him the punchers chance at best.
Royce's takedowns suck. That's why. If its going to the ground, it will be with Matt on top.. bottom line...
When was the last time you saw Royce fight?
Here's his last fight from New Years Eve 2005 vs. Hideo Tokoro (usually fights at 145 lbs)...
http://www.youtube.com/w/Royce-vs.-Tokoro-by-Hero1?v=IOeKCAMECbI&search=royce%20gracie
Now you tell me how he's going to beat Hughes... This fight had special rules and was ruled a draw, but I would bet that if there were judges they would have given that decision to Tokoro. I was tripping out to see Royce getting worked over by a smaller guy..
No disrespect, but how can u say that Hughes has no sprawl??? Trigg is a world class wrestler (olympic level) and he was having major trouble taking down Hughes. Same with Sean Sherk, St. Pierre, etc..
Sometimes you trip me out with the stuff you post. It's all good though. That's why they actually fight instead of talking about it. lol
I agree completely, it should have been stopped. But he did make the mistake of not protecting himself at all times. The ref actually ran in like he was going to stop the fight, but then hesitated. Matt should not have waited for the ref, but made some effort to protect himself. Instead, he grabbed his dick and turned his back. If he gives Gracie his back there will be a lot of disappointed people around here, myself included.
Why would you conciously protect something that should not be hit? If you were in a boxing match where there was a rule of no body shots...would you protect your ribs or your face?
zora04
02-13-2006, 08:28 PM
Why would you conciously protect something that should not be hit? If you were in a boxing match where there was a rule of no body shots...would you protect your ribs or your face?
I'm not saying he should have been protecting his nuts, although I encourage every man to do so. I was saying that after the nut check he should have been aware that Trigg might still try to fight, instead of doing the honorable thing and backing off after the obvious foul. That is what I mean by protect yourself at all times. You can't quit fighting because your opponent gets a cheap shot in. You can't depend on the ref to see everything. Although, in this case the ref was on top of it and will probably admit he should have stopped it.
I'm not saying he should have been protecting his nuts, although I encourage every man to do so. I was saying that after the nut check he should have been aware that Trigg might still try to fight, instead of doing the honorable thing and backing off after the obvious foul. That is what I mean by protect yourself at all times. You can't quit fighting because your opponent gets a cheap shot in. You can't depend on the ref to see everything. Although, in this case the ref was on top of it and will probably admit he should have stopped it.Let me kick you square in the nuts. What are you going to do, back away and cover your groin...just like Matt did and while you do that I'm going to jump on you and get the mount to proceed to ground and pound or submit you. Do you want me to post the fight so you can see it again?
zora04
02-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Let me kick you square in the nuts. What are you going to do, back away and cover your groin...just like Matt did and while you do that I'm going to jump on you and get the mount to proceed to ground and pound or submit you. Do you want me to post the fight so you can see it again?
Damn dude, you need to slow down. Maybe you are taking me the wrong way, but there is no need to get all e-warrior on me. I actually have the fight saved on my tivo, and have watched it several times. You do understand that two people can see and interpret something in a different way, and its okay. I am just stating that he does not need to take this fight lightly, as he did the Penn fight. If he lets up for a second, either from conditioning or a foul, Royce still has the skill to submit him. Do NOT get me wrong, I want Hughes to win this fight. I just hope he prepares himself both mentally and physically. I am worried about him looking ahead to the GSP/Penn winner.
zora04
02-13-2006, 10:51 PM
Let me kick you square in the nuts. What are you going to do, back away and cover your groin...just like Matt did and while you do that I'm going to jump on you and get the mount to proceed to ground and pound or submit you. Do you want me to post the fight so you can see it again?
Oh yeah, NO you can't kick me square in the nuts. Not even if it is to prove a point. LOL.
Damn dude, you need to slow down. Maybe you are taking me the wrong way, but there is no need to get all e-warrior on me. I actually have the fight saved on my tivo, and have watched it several times. You do understand that two people can see and interpret something in a different way, and its okay. I am just stating that he does not need to take this fight lightly, as he did the Penn fight. If he lets up for a second, either from conditioning or a foul, Royce still has the skill to submit him. Do NOT get me wrong, I want Hughes to win this fight. I just hope he prepares himself both mentally and physically. I am worried about him looking ahead to the GSP/Penn winner.
I'm not going e-warrior on you, I was just making a point. Don't want to kick anyone....well maybe a few people ha ha.
There is no way he will take this fight likely especially after what happened in the Penn fight. And with an upcoming rematch with either GSP or Penn, he will be focused in on this fight to make sure he's ready to try and cement himself in as one of the greats of the 170 lb division.
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 10:39 AM
Do any of you guys know Jens Pulver? He beat BJ Penn at one time. He used to fight UFC. One of the guys I train with took on Pulver in Miami about 3 years ago and knocked out Pulver in the first round. Anyways Penn would not stand a chance against Hughes, he has stepped it up a little to much for Penn.
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 12:59 PM
u talking about Jason Maxwell..
How's he doing? I havent talked to him in quite a while. Hope all is well with him and his family.
John
BTW, I have the fight between Maxwell and Jens. I'll see if I can upload it later
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 03:32 PM
Yea, talking about Maxwell. C if you can upload it that will be sweet. How do you know Jason? Do you also know Keith Sutton? We have a pretty good team going. We go to New Mexico and kick ass everytime. Jason and two other guys on the team just had a match in December in Wichita Falls, Jason went to decision and won and our other two fighters won in the first round. I have been working storms down in Miami, FL for now. Can't wait to get back and train hard. Maxwell is looking for some good compeition. He's trying to get his confidence back up after going to Japan and losing.
yellowgt02
02-14-2006, 04:21 PM
I really want to see Hughes beat Gracie. It will be interesting to see how Gracie counteracts Hughes' submission attempts. Im going to go with Hughes by ref stoppage after a brutal ground and pound.
On another note, GSP is going to kick BJ Penn to the ground. Ive only seen a few of Penn's fights but GSP is on his way up.
It will be interesting to see Franklin and Loiseau. Franklin better be careful he dont get taken to the ground, otherwise Loiseau will drop the vicious elbows down if he gets the chance.
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 04:56 PM
Yea, talking about Maxwell. C if you can upload it that will be sweet. How do you know Jason? Do you also know Keith Sutton? We have a pretty good team going. We go to New Mexico and kick ass everytime. Jason and two other guys on the team just had a match in December in Wichita Falls, Jason went to decision and won and our other two fighters won in the first round. I have been working storms down in Miami, FL for now. Can't wait to get back and train hard. Maxwell is looking for some good compeition. He's trying to get his confidence back up after going to Japan and losing.
I met Jason in Vegas during UFC 44. I hooked him up with some dvd's of his fights in Japan. He didnt think they would be available but I got them. lol
I know Jason fought a few weeks or month ago. Good to see him back. Hopefully he picks up a few more wins and get to see him in the bigger shows again.
I've never met Keith but talked to him on the internet a few times. Didnt he win a belt at some organization in Cali?
When I get back home, I will look for Maxwell's fight with Jens. I know I burned a copy for Jason when I sent those other dvd's so I'm pretty sure that I still have the file somewhere.
BTW, I cant wait to be at 58. Penn vs GSP will rule!!
zora04
02-14-2006, 05:36 PM
BTW, I cant wait to be at 58. Penn vs GSP will rule!!
Lucky bastard!
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 05:56 PM
that is good you know those guys, Keith just had a match in Arkansas against some real good jujitsu brown belt from Houston. I think that was for a belt I was in Florida so didn't get to see it. I have been gone since October. Keith won that match in a little over a minute. Keith is one of the best I have seen. Do not know why that guy is not fighting on T.V. yet. That is sweet you are going, I would like to go see Tito in April, have to check to see if theere is any tickets.
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 06:23 PM
the ufc in april is sold out already. Tickets sold out within the same week they went on sale.
First UFC in Cali so its not too surprising.
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 06:28 PM
I just checked that does suck. Tito will be fighting in his state who do you think will take it?
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 06:56 PM
Well if Forrest fights like he did the past 2 times, then I think Tito will take him out. I think its too early for Forrest to be making a big jump in the calliber of his opponents.
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 06:57 PM
Where do you train?
Royce's takedowns suck. That's why. If its going to the ground, it will be with Matt on top.. bottom line...
When was the last time you saw Royce fight?
Here's his last fight from New Years Eve 2005 vs. Hideo Tokoro (usually fights at 145 lbs)...
http://www.youtube.com/w/Royce-vs.-Tokoro-by-Hero1?v=IOeKCAMECbI&search=royce%20gracie
Now you tell me how he's going to beat Hughes... This fight had special rules and was ruled a draw, but I would bet that if there were judges they would have given that decision to Tokoro. I was tripping out to see Royce getting worked over by a smaller guy..
No disrespect, but how can u say that Hughes has no sprawl??? Trigg is a world class wrestler (olympic level) and he was having major trouble taking down Hughes. Same with Sean Sherk, St. Pierre, etc..
Sometimes you trip me out with the stuff you post. It's all good though. That's why they actually fight instead of talking about it. lol
Hey I'm not being aggressive or rude, just enjoying the conversation with another fan of the sport, so please dont' take offense. I only can give my opinion from my experiences in the arts. Admittingly, I don't know as much about the UFC as you do but I am well versed and educated in the arts. With that understanding I know that there is still a difference between real world streetfighting and the UFC. There is similar training styles but there is still alot of differences and perhaps that's where my view is different from a UFC fighters would be. UFC is still a controlled enviorment with rules which requires a different type of training. It's not that it's not good dont get me wrong, but still gives people a distorted view of the arts of what will and won't work.
I'm a fan of the UFC and always will be. It's all for fun. I'd like to meet ya and talk about it with you in person. Don says we would get along well.
Steve
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 07:45 PM
nowhere now. ive been saying that i need to get in somewhere for a while now. i just got moved to my new apt. in irving and I know there are a few schools really close to me. I'm leaning towards Mohler's since its the closest and they have alot of good seminars there.
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 07:51 PM
no worries here, JKD. it's all good in the hood. I wasn't trying to come off as a dickhead in that post. lol
hey man there are some local fights coming up. You down to go check them out.
They are in Frisco at the Stars center on Feb 25th. I think me, nick, and a few friends from work are gonna check it out. I'll make a thread about it later.
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 07:51 PM
I will be back in Texas in about two weeks. More than likely be living in McKinney. Maybe we can train sometime if I do. Really want to train with Keith and Jason, real good trainers.
Juiced89lx
02-14-2006, 07:52 PM
Ya man sounds good. Let me know..
Jason has invited me to go up there a few times. I just dont know about driving a couple of hours to go get my ass kicked. LOL
kwikstang91
02-14-2006, 07:56 PM
If I am back by then I will head out there with a buddy of mine. I will see if I can get Jason to head down. Last year in Arkansas Jason took out a tapout representative, he said he was from DFW area. Anyways guy was talking smack, and tried to choke Jason, in 2 seconds the guys arm done. He is always at events with his bandana on throwing tapout T-shirts at everyone. You might know him.
no worries here, JKD. it's all good in the hood. I wasn't trying to come off as a dickhead in that post. lol
hey man there are some local fights coming up. You down to go check them out.
They are in Frisco at the Stars center on Feb 25th. I think me, nick, and a few friends from work are gonna check it out. I'll make a thread about it later.
Hell yeah. Just let me know.
I think it'll be a good fight. True, Gracie is old, but he's not living in a cave. I'm POSITIVE he's seen Matt's fights and has studied them to the inth detail. Don't foget his camp...some of the greatest fighters the world have come from the Gracie side of the house. I've seen Gracie fight in person a few times and he's pretty cool under pressure. Does that mean he got finer with age? Don't know until this bitch goes pay-per-view but with Matt's power i think it he'll pull it out with a TKO.
If you guys are in the Shreveport area when this airs, look me up and come over...but you'd better bring the beer. LOL
mmafan
02-15-2006, 10:44 PM
I have a bet with JKD on this fight! woohooo!! I bet $1 that hughes will win! JKD is giving me 50 to 1 odds! even tho JKD really likes hughes, thats how much he thinks gracie will win.
Personally I think Hughes is not only going to win, but it will be a first round TKO! I dont know if anybody else said it already or not, but gracie is getting old, and also when he was dominating the ufc, tons of people aka his competitors. didnt even know anything about brazilian jiu jitsu. nowdays BJJ is part of the MMA 101 class that every fighter has attended.
mmafan
02-15-2006, 10:50 PM
Juiced..... you should meet up with JKD, he's the real deal man.
AbecX
02-16-2006, 05:41 AM
I still think ultimate warrior is a bad ass no matter if its fake or not.
Blakcharger440
03-04-2006, 03:12 PM
I hope Gracie wins and kicks the shit out of Hughes and wipes that smug napoleon smile right off his face.....But that wont happen simply because Gracie is too old and way past his prime which is the only reason Hughes will win.
To say that Gracie has only fought brawlers in his past is a big joke. Gracie fought the likes of Severn,Shamrock and Kimo in their prime and took them to the mat! To say that the only reason that BJ beat Hughes is because Hughes didnt take BJ serious enough is also a big joke and is only an excuse for getting beat! I mean cmon he got beat so just admit it! Geeez.
That being said Hughes will win as this is pointless as he is fighting an old man and youth will prevail at this point...but if they had fought when Gracie was in his prime it would have been no contest for Gracie.
4.6 Love
03-04-2006, 03:33 PM
I think gracie still has it in him...
I hope Gracie wins and kicks the shit out of Hughes and wipes that smug napoleon smile right off his face.....But that wont happen simply because Gracie is too old and way past his prime which is the only reason Hughes will win.
To say that Gracie has only fought brawlers in his past is a big joke. Gracie fought the likes of Severn,Shamrock and Kimo in their prime and took them to the mat! To say that the only reason that BJ beat Hughes is because Hughes didnt take BJ serious enough is also a big joke and is only an excuse for getting beat! I mean cmon he got beat so just admit it! Geeez.
That being said Hughes will win as this is pointless as he is fighting an old man and youth will prevail at this point...but if they had fought when Gracie was in his prime it would have been no contest for Gracie.
Saying he is too old and past his prime are just throw away lines for someone who knows less then shit about the arts. BJJ is different then stand up in many ways up to and including the required attributes to be successful in that art. Helio Gracie was full contact fighting way into his 60's and still winning against kids 1/4 his age. In BJJ, the cleaner the techniques the better the fighter. Strength has little to do with it. Timing and feel are the most important attributes in BJJ.
I'm a Matt Hughes fan, but not so much a fan to turn a blind eye to the obvious facts. Gracie is a huge threat to Hughes legacy as a great champion regardless of the fact that it's a non-title defense. He beats Gracie, it will solidify his place in UFC history, he loses he's just another Gracie victim.
Hughes said in the Countdown interview that he wants Penn to win the Penn/St.Pierre fight to rematch Penn to make up for his loss. He already beat Pierre so he has nothing to prove there. Now if you actually believe that Hughes has not grown as a fighter since their last fight you're crazy. Both Hughes and Penn have improved and it will be a great fight but Penn will not run Hughes over as you are thinking. They will both have their hands full.
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04-12-2006, 10:32 AM
Personally I think Matt Hughes got lucky with the arm bar on GSP. He was clearly confused during the fight until that happened. Yes Hughes is strong and yes Hughes is good, but I think GSP is the champion and will prove that soon.
Gracie is no slouch either. All of you who are thinking that Hughes is just going to blow through Royce are mistaken. Everyone can say what'll happen here, and what'll happen there, but noone knows for sure what will happen, but (IMO) Matt has his hands full, and personally I hope he gets his arrogant ass beat!!!!
grove rat
04-19-2006, 11:48 AM
thought i'd bump this up, since i saw some commercials last night...
93powerranger
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Hughes will win....but i dont like him...he is too arrogant...maybe gracie will HOPEFULLY put a choke on him..
OKstang
04-20-2006, 02:06 PM
the farm boy wins this one....
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