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agiraldo
11-11-2005, 08:15 PM
Hey need some input ive always done different stacks gain I actually gain quality muscle with Deca or will it make me eat non-stop....?
I want lean muscle but I'm trying to figure out if my eq/tren diet will work with deca( AKA a bulker) thanks guys......?
DOBE :rolleyes:
dewayne6243
11-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Hey need some input ive always done different stacks gain I actually gain quality muscle with Deca or will it make me eat non-stop....?
I want lean muscle but I'm trying to figure out if my eq/tren diet will work with deca( AKA a bulker) thanks guys......?
DOBE :rolleyes:
How old are you? Height, weight, BF?
agiraldo
11-11-2005, 08:25 PM
im 22 height= 6'0 weigth=248 around 18-20% bf i estimate.... this would be my 5th cycle but i usually run deca with test e or usually sustanon 250 ,I love test p and i would liek to see if deca cna actually give me some lean, quality muscle with a strict diet....
Do most of you guys use it as a bulker?
I have but I wanted to try it out instead of fine or equipose...
dewayne6243
11-11-2005, 08:28 PM
im 22 height= 6'0 weigth=248 around 18-20% bf i estimate.... this would be my 5th cycle but i usually run deca with test e or usually sustanon 250 ,I love test p and i would liek to see if deca cna actually give me some lean, quality muscle with a strict diet....
Do most of you guys use it as a bulker?
I have but I wanted to try it out instead of fine or equipose...
What kind of doses are you taking and what PCT will you be doing?
agiraldo
11-11-2005, 11:10 PM
What kind of doses are you taking and what PCT will you be doing?
around 300-400 mgs a week of deca and about 350-400 of prop i am taking arimidex and have clomid for for afterwards also have bromo in hand
greenrebel
11-11-2005, 11:33 PM
pure Psudoephedrine, i can get you that shit, you figure out how to take it
davbrucas
11-13-2005, 10:51 AM
i would stick to tren/test prop for lean muscle gains. you can do it with test/deca, but you will like the results better with tren/test prop. diet is the key...but not as big of an issue with tren. 3 times the protein synthesis compared to test. something like this...
tren acetate 75mg ed wk1-8 (or 150mg eod)
test prop 100mg eod wk1-8
adex 0.5mg ed wk1-8
HCG 500IU SQ twice per wk wk1-8
PCT: aromasin 25mg ed wk9-14
nolva 20mg ed wk9-14
i would add dostinex at 0.5mg e4d throughout if you can afford it in case of prolactin sides from the tren...not common, but you never know.
The Raven
11-14-2005, 10:52 AM
im 22 height= 6'0 weigth=248 around 18-20% bf i estimate.... this would be my 5th cycle but i usually run deca with test e or usually sustanon 250 ,I love test p and i would liek to see if deca cna actually give me some lean, quality muscle with a strict diet....
Do most of you guys use it as a bulker?
I have but I wanted to try it out instead of fine or equipose...
At 18-20%, why are you concerned with lean muscle? What are you overall goals? If it's just to be big then go for it, but you would look 10 times more muscular if you were to diet for 6 months and get get down to 10% or so.
White_lightning
11-14-2005, 11:15 AM
damn
what happend to doing it the old fashioned way.. seems everyone is juicing these days.
At 18-20%, why are you concerned with lean muscle? What are you overall goals? If it's just to be big then go for it, but you would look 10 times more muscular if you were to diet for 6 months and get get down to 10% or so.
Maybe he is looking to be on juice to help him out to lose the fat, or he is just getting addicted to being on AAS and can't do without? But yes, diet seems to be his weak point and getting that right would be the first thing to do. Worry about the cycle once you look decently lean.
davbrucas
11-14-2005, 11:39 AM
you would be surprised the amount of people that are using...actually, AAS is the old fashioned way of doing it... most people just keep it under wraps when they are using.
if you do not have the diet thing down prior to starting a cycle, you will not magicaly learn how to eat right while on....and the consequences of a poor diet while on will not be pretty. if you can stay away from fast foods and sodas, as well as other high fat foods, then you should be able to knock that bf% down to 12-14% in 2-3months. the key to losing body fat is obviously in the diet, but early morning cardio on an empty stomach does wonders. i can lose 10lbs of fat in a month with just this change. granted, i am not eating taco bell all the time either. your other option is tren/prop....but who wants to be a human pin cushion? :o
The Raven
11-14-2005, 12:03 PM
you would be surprised the amount of people that are using...actually, AAS is the old fashioned way of doing it... most people just keep it under wraps when they are using.
if you do not have the diet thing down prior to starting a cycle, you will not magicaly learn how to eat right while on....and the consequences of a poor diet while on will not be pretty. if you can stay away from fast foods and sodas, as well as other high fat foods, then you should be able to knock that bf% down to 12-14% in 2-3months. the key to losing body fat is obviously in the diet, but early morning cardio on an empty stomach does wonders. i can lose 10lbs of fat in a month with just this change. granted, i am not eating taco bell all the time either. your other option is tren/prop....but who wants to be a human pin cushion? :o
Absolutley, another key reason I haven't gone there yet. I can eat flawlessly for about 3 months at a time, and then my fat little kide side takes over again, and the bodyfat rises again. The last thing I wan't to do is minimize progress and maximize the sides by eating crappy.
How lean would you say one with a medium metabolism could get with out dipping into lean tissue too bad? Part of my issue is that I lose it too fast, get weak, and decide to "bulk" again, using that as an excuse to pig out.
White_lightning
11-14-2005, 12:36 PM
i guess i get some satisfaction about doing it naturally..
Shorty
11-14-2005, 12:41 PM
i guess i get some satisfaction about doing it naturally..
I figure unless I'm going to be competing whether it be bodybuilding or powerlifting it's too much work/not worth it. I'll stick to busting my ass in the gym and eating like crazy.
White_lightning
11-14-2005, 12:54 PM
I figure unless I'm going to be competing whether it be bodybuilding or powerlifting it's too much work/not worth it. I'll stick to busting my ass in the gym and eating like crazy.
my sentiments exactly
The Raven
11-14-2005, 12:59 PM
it's too much work/not
What do you mean by that? You have to bust your ass in the gym to gain lean mass wether you are squeezin' or not.
In my last post I meant natuarally, not while taking clen or tren/prop.
Stangin4Lyfe
11-14-2005, 01:08 PM
T1?
Shorty
11-14-2005, 01:10 PM
I mean the added work of "becoming a chemist" and keeping up with all the cycle stuff. I have a hard enough time remembering to take a daily vitamin during the day.
The Raven
11-14-2005, 02:02 PM
T1?
Fixed. :o
davbrucas
11-14-2005, 04:39 PM
Absolutley, another key reason I haven't gone there yet. I can eat flawlessly for about 3 months at a time, and then my fat little kide side takes over again, and the bodyfat rises again. The last thing I wan't to do is minimize progress and maximize the sides by eating crappy.
How lean would you say one with a medium metabolism could get with out dipping into lean tissue too bad? Part of my issue is that I lose it too fast, get weak, and decide to "bulk" again, using that as an excuse to pig out.
man, i have seen the pics of you on here. you look great. but, with in just 10 short weeks i can have you about 10-15lbs bigger but with less bodyfat. a guy like you with your training and dedication can see some outstanding results on a mild cycle.
davbrucas
11-14-2005, 04:40 PM
what is T1?
The Raven
11-14-2005, 05:46 PM
what is T1?
typo #1 :o
Was it T3 that I was thinking of that can be stacked with Tren? I've not done a whole lot of research on the cutting drugs.
typo #1 :o
Was it T3 that I was thinking of that can be stacked with Tren? I've not done a whole lot of research on the cutting drugs.
Thyroid hormone? I have not read about it much but it should work. A friend of mine has thyroid deficiency and whenever she gets off from her drug she gains weight rather fast.
davbrucas
11-14-2005, 06:14 PM
yeah, T3 = triiodothyronine. it is the active form of thyroid hormone. you can use this along with clen to cut the fat. but you must taper off the T3 to give your thyroid time to recover from the negative feedback inhibition during the time you were using. also, too much exogenous T3 can permanently shut down your thyroid gland. not a good thing! :) so, tren acetate and test prop ending with winny will transform your body. but, you will have to do daily injections...you can do eod injections, but ed is preferred given the halflife of each.
I have absolutely no problem at all with people pinning. I don't do it for 3 reasons: 1) As long as I am still seeing decent growth naturally why use the juice? 2) $$ It's not exactly cheap and 3) I'm scared of needles.
I have decent strength and have seen acceptable results for the amount of time and dedication I have put into it. Everybody would like to have more muscle and if you have reached your natural plateau then juice is an option. I haven't hit my plateau.
If I could drop down to 10% BF I would probably look killer. If there was a steriod that could help me lose 30lbs without me doing much extra then I would consider it. So before I decide to spend the money and get over needles to gain more muscle I need to control what I eat. I'm still struggling with that.
<---------FATASS
davbrucas
11-14-2005, 07:25 PM
you can use the money you saved by not needing lowering springs for your mustang given your fatass on a nice tren/prop/winny cycle! :o
fasternu
11-15-2005, 08:08 AM
why test-p? if i were to start i wouldnt want to have to stick myself so often. if its the ease of getting it i understand.. test-e would be my choice.. only have to inject once or twice a week at 500mg.. also, for as many cycles as you have said you have done ~300mg of test a week is nothing. especially with decca. might end up with the decca droop and if you have a g/f she wont be happy with that :eek:
you can use the money you saved by not needing lowering springs for your mustang given your fatass on a nice tren/prop/winny cycle! :o
That is true except that I only lower one side :D
How much $ would a cycle like that cost me and how often would I have to stick myself?
davbrucas
11-15-2005, 08:52 AM
looking at about $600 injecting every day to every other day for 8wks...
fasternu
11-15-2005, 09:04 AM
davbrucas,
ive seen alot of people talk about it not being a good idea for "newbs" to be taking tren because of how hard you come off of it. do you have more info on this. thanks
davbrucas
11-15-2005, 09:11 AM
follow a proper PCT and you will be fine. dostinex throughout. HCG/nolva/clommid after. people do not recommend it as a first because if the sides and amount of injects. it takes some diligence to be able to stick yourself that much. but the results are tremendous. i have seen a friend...it was his first cycle...use this stuff with amazing results. he went from 6'3 240 fatass to 211 looking hard and proportional. his shoulders were narrower than his hips prior to using. he did a 10weeker of this then test/winny/dbol getting ready to go to Ranger School. he leaves this month and he will be ready physically at least. he went from not being able to do one pull up to 15 in that short 10wks. but this guy is one motivated sumbitch. you just have to know the type. you tell him no and he sets out to prove you wrong. if you can be dedicated like this, then i say go for it. good luck.
fasternu
11-15-2005, 09:42 AM
as usual, good info :cool:
The Raven
11-15-2005, 10:29 AM
So before I decide to spend the money and get over needles to gain more muscle I need to control what I eat. I'm still struggling with that.
Absolutely. Gear can help you lean up and get bigger while on, but as soon as you cycle off you've got to maintain a decent diet to keep the fat off, or you'll just end up a bigger fatass. I've personally wasted so much money on ECA over the years, because I'd lean up for a while, and then go back to my old habits and put the weight back on. Granted, having more lean muscle will help you become leaner, but diet is still the key to controlling bodyfat.
agiraldo
11-17-2005, 09:33 PM
so sorry for not replying ive been busy working....
I actually am going to start next week im gna Actually go with a test/equipose cycle then add a lil tren at the end i have covered all my anti-e's and pct etc....
thanks everybody for the input... by the way GEEZ QV is getting out fo hand the prices i might as well go underground like i used to :)
90dfw
11-17-2005, 10:36 PM
probably not supposed to ask this but has anybody ever ordered the juice over the internet from one of those websites based in europe?They have everything you can think of.What would be the consquences by ordering this online.It seems to be getting a little harder to find around these days.
davbrucas
11-18-2005, 10:14 AM
AAS is not candy. know what you are doing prior to injecting. test/EQ/tren eh? how many cycle have you done? what are you planning to do when you start getting sore nips and the nolvadex/adex just arent cutting it? progesterone/prolactin sides are a bizzatch. i say stick to test/EQ or tren/test. no need to add tren to that. just be careful as things never go as smoothly as planned.
one thing about international delivery is you have no recourse if you are scammed. the stuff has to make it through customs. you never know what you are getting. place an order and pray. :cool:
90dfw
11-19-2005, 01:39 AM
one thing about international delivery is you have no recourse if you are scammed. the stuff has to make it through customs. you never know what you are getting. place an order and pray. :cool:
what would happen if customs find it??
The only stuff i have ever used was Test for 2 cycles,then did one cycle of winstrol,this was back in HS and really didnt know what i was doing.I did gain some size but of course now i have some slight stretch marks on my shoulders cause of it.
IF i did it again it would be to boost me a little then the rest would be natural and hard...
dewayne6243
11-20-2005, 09:53 AM
what would happen if customs find it??
The only stuff i have ever used was Test for 2 cycles,then did one cycle of winstrol,this was back in HS and really didnt know what i was doing.I did gain some size but of course now i have some slight stretch marks on my shoulders cause of it.
IF i did it again it would be to boost me a little then the rest would be natural and hard...
They can do a controlled delivery, then kick in you front door with a search warrant, and do some jail time/probation. So are you in?
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