times w/ supercharger?

[black02mustang]

Went to the track on Friday got my new best...
Ran an 8.85 w/ a 1.99 60' :shrug: @78.45mph

Now for the real problem I'm going to have about $4k (maybe a little more) to spend on a supercharger. I've been reading that they all add about 100-140 hp @ 8psi. w/ intercooler (I think). Where do you think this would this put me in the 1/8th? Btw its basically a stock 02 gt 5spd, with bf goodrich 275/45 dr's.

Is anyone else running a pro-charger or vortech? If so what are your opinions about them? I'm kinda torn between the two, and wanted something easy to install/uninstall but I also wanted it to be relatively quiet, so any opinions would be much appreciated.

[Super Coupe]

Went to the track on Friday got my new best...
Ran an 8.85 w/ a 1.99 60' :shrug: @78.45mph

Now for the real problem I'm going to have about $4k (maybe a little more) to spend on a supercharger. I've been reading that they all add about 100-140 hp @ 8psi. w/ intercooler (I think). Where do you think this would this put me in the 1/8th? Btw its basically a stock 02 gt 5spd, with bf goodrich 275/45 dr's.

Is anyone else running a pro-charger or vortech? If so what are your opinions about them? I'm kinda torn between the two, and wanted something easy to install/uninstall but I also wanted it to be relatively quiet, so any opinions would be much appreciated.

What are your mods? IMO you need a lot more bolt ons before you need a supercharger. Gears, long tubes, slicks, and take some weight out the put the supercharger on it but better be careful cause stock bottom end 4.6's dont like a lot of boost i hear.

[ozzeran]

Went to the track on Friday got my new best...
Ran an 8.85 w/ a 1.99 60' :shrug: @78.45mph

Now for the real problem I'm going to have about $4k (maybe a little more) to spend on a supercharger. I've been reading that they all add about 100-140 hp @ 8psi. w/ intercooler (I think). Where do you think this would this put me in the 1/8th? Btw its basically a stock 02 gt 5spd, with bf goodrich 275/45 dr's.

Is anyone else running a pro-charger or vortech? If so what are your opinions about them? I'm kinda torn between the two, and wanted something easy to install/uninstall but I also wanted it to be relatively quiet, so any opinions would be much appreciated.

get what you can with more bolt ons and then slap a blower or save for a turbo kit.

[Magnimike1]

get what you can with more bolt ons and then slap a blower or save for a turbo kit.


He would already have to have some bolt ons to get into the eights with an '02

[Sergio]

Ran an 8.85 w/ a 1.99 60' :shrug: @78.45mph
...its basically a stock 02 gt 5spd, with bf goodrich 275/45 dr's.
:cool:

[Moose Jr]

He would already have to have some bolt ons to get into the eights with an '02

Not unless he had the good driver mod. ;)

[Jim H]

I have an 03 Mach 1 auto and went with the Vortech with the Power Cooler as the kit comes complete. Nothing else to buy. I'm running 10# of boost and with a Power Trax, 4.10's, Moser 31 spline axles, aluminum driveshaft, mega bite jr lower control arms and a P.I. 3000 stall. My 1/8 mile numbers went from 8.90 at 81 mph to 7.33 at 94 mph. My 1/4 mile numbers went from 13.8 at 106 mph to 11.512 at 118.4 mph.
My hp numbers went from 265rwhp to 446rwhp and torque went from 290 to 383. The dyno was done when it was about 106 degrees and 90% humidity in LoneStar's shop so in this cooler weather it's doing better.
I'm on the stock internals and it's holding up fine. I don't expect it to hold up forever especially if I run the 1/4 alot and am prepared to go with a 324 stroker if I need to.
If you do it make sure you get a good dyno tune done to keep it a little on the consevative side.
Unless you do all the work yourself and buy a used unit I think you're going to spend quite a bit more than 4k with a cooler.
The Vortech is real quiet and the fitment is high quality. I have heard of some problems with the Procharger but can't tell you from a personal level.
Good luck with whatever you do.

[SSMAN]

I have an 03 Mach 1 auto and went with the Vortech with the Power Cooler as the kit comes complete. Nothing else to buy. I'm running 10# of boost and with a Power Trax, 4.10's, Moser 31 spline axles, aluminum driveshaft, mega bite jr lower control arms and a P.I. 3000 stall. My 1/8 mile numbers went from 8.90 at 81 mph to 7.33 at 94 mph. My 1/4 mile numbers went from 13.8 at 106 mph to 11.512 at 118.4 mph.
My hp numbers went from 265rwhp to 446rwhp and torque went from 290 to 383. The dyno was done when it was about 106 degrees and 90% humidity in LoneStar's shop so in this cooler weather it's doing better.
I'm on the stock internals and it's holding up fine. I don't expect it to hold up forever especially if I run the 1/4 alot and am prepared to go with a 324 stroker if I need to.
If you do it make sure you get a good dyno tune done to keep it a little on the consevative side.
Unless you do all the work yourself and buy a used unit I think you're going to spend quite a bit more than 4k with a cooler.
The Vortech is real quiet and the fitment is high quality. I have heard of some problems with the Procharger but can't tell you from a personal level.
Good luck with whatever you do.


Damn, Bill and Dan are getting those numbers with a stock long block and no power adders from their Mach 1's :confused: They do have computer upgrades, gears, exhaust, ect.

[Jim H]

Damn, Bill and Dan are getting those numbers with a stock long block and no power adders from their Mach 1's :confused:

No both Bill and Dan are running a 125 or 150 shot right now. I believe Bill ran a high 11 on motor at Hallsville last year or early this year.
Bill's best on nitrous I believe in the 1/4 is 11.02.
Dan set a new time last Friday with a 125 shot at 7.2 at 96mph or right around there.
The cars are pretty close.
When I ran I didn't take out the spare tire, had almost 3/4 tank of gas and was running on stock front tires. I did have M/T Street radials on though.
I am hoping to run slicks and skinneys out at Redline on the 20th and I think my ET might drop another 2/10's.
I've only made 8 passes since it was s/c-ed so I do have more practice and tweaking to do.

[Juiceweezl]

Went to the track on Friday got my new best...
Ran an 8.85 w/ a 1.99 60' :shrug: @78.45mph

Now for the real problem I'm going to have about $4k (maybe a little more) to spend on a supercharger. I've been reading that they all add about 100-140 hp @ 8psi. w/ intercooler (I think). Where do you think this would this put me in the 1/8th? Btw its basically a stock 02 gt 5spd, with bf goodrich 275/45 dr's.

Is anyone else running a pro-charger or vortech? If so what are your opinions about them? I'm kinda torn between the two, and wanted something easy to install/uninstall but I also wanted it to be relatively quiet, so any opinions would be much appreciated.

I'm running a Vortech setup on my '00. Now I have a built motor, but when I first put it on, all I had was 3.73's, offroad-H, and bigger throttle body. The car was making around 365 to the wheels and ran 12.50's in the 1/4 with 8.2 at 1/8 and 1.97 60's if I remember correctly. That was at 8 psi. I later put long tubes on and ran 10 psi safely. The key is tune. Make sure you bring enough fuel. I bought the Vortech kit with everything included. If I had it to do over again, I would've upgraded the injectors then (the kit came with 30's and I now run 42's) and the fuel pump as well (the included pump couldn't carry the 42's). The Vortech is nice and quiet so it makes the car a real sleeper. Good luck.

-B

[jlyon]

save for a turbo kit.

thats what i think yo should do

[black02mustang]

I'm running a Vortech setup on my '00. Now I have a built motor, but when I first put it on, all I had was 3.73's, offroad-H, and bigger throttle body. The car was making around 365 to the wheels and ran 12.50's in the 1/4 with 8.2 at 1/8 and 1.97 60's if I remember correctly. That was at 8 psi. I later put long tubes on and ran 10 psi safely. The key is tune. Make sure you bring enough fuel. I bought the Vortech kit with everything included. If I had it to do over again, I would've upgraded the injectors then (the kit came with 30's and I now run 42's) and the fuel pump as well (the included pump couldn't carry the 42's). The Vortech is nice and quiet so it makes the car a real sleeper. Good luck.

-B
Nice! I really want the sleeper sound so I can surprise a few of the TA's around here but ne ways thats what i was thinking was about low 8's or so. I will be getting it tuned and gears, shifter, and exhaust will come before or soon after.
Was the vortech a pain installing? I know with vortech you have to drill holes in the oil pan, and relocate your battery (w/ aftercooler kit) and such. The pro-charger is self contained and i would have a regular intercooler but I hear it is noisy.

[black02mustang]

get what you can with more bolt ons and then slap a blower or save for a turbo kit.

Well it seems everyone around here has most of the major boltons and no one i've seen runs below mid 8's, plus i hear that 300rwhp is about all you can get with boltons in a gt. so i figure the s/c would get the best hp for the $.

turbo would be nice and I could afford the kit itself from hp performance but would have no $$ for anything else. unless someone wants to donate new tranny, rearend, clutch, driveshaft, maybe forged internals, install and a good tune? Cause i would seriously do it. But until then i will have to stick with s/c :(

[jlyon]

turbo would be nice and I could afford the kit itself from hp performance but would have no $$ for anything else. unless someone wants to donate new tranny, rearend, clutch, driveshaft, maybe forged internals, install and a good tune? Cause i would seriously do it. But until then i will have to stick with s/c :(


what kind of boost are you talking about running? you should be able to run about 6-8lbs of boost with no problems, the same as the s/c

[SSMAN]

No both Bill and Dan are running a 125 or 150 shot right now. I believe Bill ran a high 11 on motor at Hallsville last year or early this year.
Bill's best on nitrous I believe in the 1/4 is 11.02.
Dan set a new time last Friday with a 125 shot at 7.2 at 96mph or right around there.
The cars are pretty close.
When I ran I didn't take out the spare tire, had almost 3/4 tank of gas and was running on stock front tires. I did have M/T Street radials on though.
I am hoping to run slicks and skinneys out at Redline on the 20th and I think my ET might drop another 2/10's.
I've only made 8 passes since it was s/c-ed so I do have more practice and tweaking to do.



So why do you say no :confused:

Bill..........11.697@115.25
The Quickest N/A Stock LongBlock MACH1 in the Nation
2005 Mach 1 / Bullitt Shoot-out Anything Goes Champ!

That's on motor. I wasn't trying to split a hairs over a .15 difference in time. Just saying they were basically there, give or take a tenth or two. I am pretty sure Bill busted into the 10's with the Nitrous.

MT radials are kick ass. Your not hurting there. ;) Those damn Mach 1's run better than any Mustang with in the last 20 years. N/A that is.

Wasn't trying to bash, I just was suprised they were in the same neighborhood. Plus I just caught that your running an auto. I am sure they are dumping way above 3k. :D That would be the biggest difference. Your 1/8th mile times are better though.

[Cleto-Chingon]

I'm running a Vortech setup on my '00. Now I have a built motor, but when I first put it on, all I had was 3.73's, offroad-H, and bigger throttle body. The car was making around 365 to the wheels and ran 12.50's in the 1/4 with 8.2 at 1/8 and 1.97 60's if I remember correctly. That was at 8 psi. I later put long tubes on and ran 10 psi safely. The key is tune. Make sure you bring enough fuel. I bought the Vortech kit with everything included. If I had it to do over again, I would've upgraded the injectors then (the kit came with 30's and I now run 42's) and the fuel pump as well (the included pump couldn't carry the 42's). The Vortech is nice and quiet so it makes the car a real sleeper. Good luck.

-B
yeah they both are on the spray but those cars are moving

[Lason]

Why not SAVE money and build a turbo kit. Fuck paying what those shops want for their shit, they smoke massive amounts of crack while pricing their turbo kits.

[black02mustang]

what kind of boost are you talking about running? you should be able to run about 6-8lbs of boost with no problems, the same as the s/c

I was thinking ne where from 8-10 supercharged w/ an intercooler. Hp performance's website they say twin turbo @ 8psi the gt's put out 450 to the wheels. I wasn't sure how long the rearend/tranny would hold up to this. I know alot ppl run 8 psi s/c ed and never really have any problems. But like i said i could prob afford the turbo kit but theres no way i could afford to replace anything that breaks and this is my daily driver so...until i get outta school money is an issue.

[KMAN]

I have had a vortech but now have a procharger. I prefer the procharger. It is a little noisier but not that much. If you are trying to hide the fact you have a blower that only last a couple of weeks bc word will get out that you have one. If you are just worried about the noise you will fall in love with it and wish it were louder after a while.

I also had an aftercooler with my vortech. My air charge temp is about 50 degrees less on the street with the intercooled procharger. The procharger is more difficult to install bc of the intercooler but it is worth it. Both blowers are very good quality and would use either one but for the street my car runs alot cooler and that makes a huge difference when you hit traffic etc. I have a fox body so I do not know if this would hold true for a mod motor.

I think not having messy oil lines is a plus too and also aids in the reduction of the air temps.

As far as turbos on mod motors I am pretty sure you usually have to change th k-member thus making the install harder. Turbos produce outstanding numbers thought. I have heard that turbos are not as hard on the engine and components as blowers bc of the absences of the belt. Not sure though.

Either way you go you will be happy with the result. Make sure someone tunes it for you though. Your motor will last alot longer if you have some that knows what they are doing with your tune.

[black02mustang]

I have had a vortech but now have a procharger. I prefer the procharger. It is a little noisier but not that much. If you are trying to hide the fact you have a blower that only last a couple of weeks bc word will get out that you have one. If you are just worried about the noise you will fall in love with it and wish it were louder after a while.

I also had an aftercooler with my vortech. My air charge temp is about 50 degrees less on the street with the intercooled procharger. The procharger is more difficult to install bc of the intercooler but it is worth it. Both blowers are very good quality and would use either one but for the street my car runs alot cooler and that makes a huge difference when you hit traffic etc. I have a fox body so I do not know if this would hold true for a mod motor.

I think not having messy oil lines is a plus too and also aids in the reduction of the air temps.

As far as turbos on mod motors I am pretty sure you usually have to change th k-member thus making the install harder. Turbos produce outstanding numbers thought. I have heard that turbos are not as hard on the engine and components as blowers bc of the absences of the belt. Not sure though.

Either way you go you will be happy with the result. Make sure someone tunes it for you though. Your motor will last alot longer if you have some that knows what they are doing with your tune.

Thanks this has been very helpful, I think i'm going with the intercooled pro-charger, Does anyone recommend hpp racing for tuning? Thats the only people I know of so, any suggestions would be helpful. Roughly how much does a dyno tune usually run? do i need to buy a chip or something also? thanks everyone!

[Sergio]

Does anyone recommend hpp racing for tuning?
never heard anything but good news about those guys! :)

Roughly how much does a dyno tune usually run? do i need to buy a chip or something also? thanks everyone!
i think its about $550 for a tune, chip included... dont quote me on that though.

good luck! :cool:

[ceyko]

As far as good blowers for our 4.6s, the 2 I'm still pondering are Procharger and Kenne Bell. If you have the extra moola, those two are the only ones to consider. Frankly though, the others are not THAT much cheaper, if at all cheaper.

[Jim H]

So why do you say no :confused:

Bill..........11.697@115.25
The Quickest N/A Stock LongBlock MACH1 in the Nation
2005 Mach 1 / Bullitt Shoot-out Anything Goes Champ!

That's on motor. I wasn't trying to split a hairs over a .15 difference in time. Just saying they were basically there, give or take a tenth or two. I am pretty sure Bill busted into the 10's with the Nitrous.

MT radials are kick ass. Your not hurting there. ;) Those damn Mach 1's run better than any Mustang with in the last 20 years. N/A that is.

Wasn't trying to bash, I just was suprised they were in the same neighborhood. Plus I just caught that your running an auto. I am sure they are dumping way above 3k. :D That would be the biggest difference. Your 1/8th mile times are better though.



You're right. Sorry, I didn't take it as a bash. I didn't remember exactly what Bill had run....I guess I should have looked at his avatar. But Dan's best time in the 1/4 on motor is a 12.2 or right in that area. My best time in the 1/4 with the gears and stall was 12.79. The auto right out of the box was anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 second slower than a five speed. That's a big hill to climb with these mod motors but I'm trying to reel them in and keep em within striking distance.

I think Bill told me when he ran FFW in Arizona he ran an 11.2 but the corrected time was a 10 something. I'm new to this stuff so I don't understand the corrected part. Altitude....DA?

I think Dan was dumping around 6k. He told me he's refined his launch so I don't know where he's pulling the trigger now. But Dan has got to be one of the hardest hitting drivers out there. If I built parts I'd send them to Dan to test because he can find the weakness in them. When Bill had the 5 speed in and we would have a gtg watching him, Dan, Tomcat and Dawg run was pretty cool. Nobody beat Bill but Dan was nipping at his heels. Next springs Bullitt/ Mach 1 Shootout should be interesting. Quite a few cars will be in the 11's with maybe a couple of 10's thrown in.

How does your 69 run? I've got a 69 428 SCJ but would never put it on the track. Mostly a garage queen now.

Sorry for the hijack.

[HFD_20]

I have a 02 GT with a vortech and a paxton air to air aftercooler. If you want to keep your stock block dont go over 10# w/cooler, if you cant get aftercooler dont go over 8#. i learned the hard way and went 10 w/o a cooler. Also if your car is going to be use for a daily driver i suggest you go with the paxton A/A, cause their is no battery relocation. I heard stories about the vortech Aftercooler and how the come with a restriction. i have a buddy that is selling his kit with everything...if you are intersted..

[Juiceweezl]

Nice! I really want the sleeper sound so I can surprise a few of the TA's around here but ne ways thats what i was thinking was about low 8's or so. I will be getting it tuned and gears, shifter, and exhaust will come before or soon after.
Was the vortech a pain installing? I know with vortech you have to drill holes in the oil pan, and relocate your battery (w/ aftercooler kit) and such. The pro-charger is self contained and i would have a regular intercooler but I hear it is noisy.

The Vortech install wasn't hard. The kit came with everything. As for the whole tapping the oil pan deal, it was a piece of cake. Just go slow and you'll be fine. The part we had the most trouble with was getting those stupid fuel line disconnects to work so we could drop the tank and then not passing out from lingering too long over top of the tank when installing the pump. :D

[SSMAN]

You're right. Sorry, I didn't take it as a bash. I didn't remember exactly what Bill had run....I guess I should have looked at his avatar. But Dan's best time in the 1/4 on motor is a 12.2 or right in that area. My best time in the 1/4 with the gears and stall was 12.79. The auto right out of the box was anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 second slower than a five speed. That's a big hill to climb with these mod motors but I'm trying to reel them in and keep em within striking distance.

I think Bill told me when he ran FFW in Arizona he ran an 11.2 but the corrected time was a 10 something. I'm new to this stuff so I don't understand the corrected part. Altitude....DA?

I think Dan was dumping around 6k. He told me he's refined his launch so I don't know where he's pulling the trigger now. But Dan has got to be one of the hardest hitting drivers out there. If I built parts I'd send them to Dan to test because he can find the weakness in them. When Bill had the 5 speed in and we would have a gtg watching him, Dan, Tomcat and Dawg run was pretty cool. Nobody beat Bill but Dan was nipping at his heels. Next springs Bullitt/ Mach 1 Shootout should be interesting. Quite a few cars will be in the 11's with maybe a couple of 10's thrown in.

How does your 69 run? I've got a 69 428 SCJ but would never put it on the track. Mostly a garage queen now.

Sorry for the hijack.



LOL! at Dan finding the weak links. He sure can tear some shit up. :D Bill has a pretty extensive computer programmer for his, not sure what Dan has on his puter.

My car...........shit its slow. But it looks good going slow. :D Best time is 8.010 @ 85.5 mph on a 28" tall tire. Yeah, I know its to much tire. But it looks good on there. :o My car is not numbers matching, other wise it would be a garage queen. Just wanted something to drive the shit out of and have it gain value. ;)

[Jim H]

[QUOTE=SSMAN

My car...........shit its slow. But it looks good going slow. :D Best time is 8.010 @ 85.5 mph on a 28" tall tire. Yeah, I know its to much tire. But it looks good on there. :o My car is not numbers matching, other wise it would be a garage queen. Just wanted something to drive the shit out of and have it gain value. ;)[/QUOTE]


You're right.....nothing looks better going down the track than a classic whether it be a Mustang, Camaro, Cuda etc.
There's a guy that goes to Redline with a 69 Camaro, orange with white stripes, that runs real well since he started shooting up. Don't remember times but they were respectfull. Cool stuff.

[SSMAN]

You're right.....nothing looks better going down the track than a classic whether it be a Mustang, Camaro, Cuda etc.
There's a guy that goes to Redline with a 69 Camaro, orange with white stripes, that runs real well since he started shooting up. Don't remember times but they were respectfull. Cool stuff.


I hear ya, when it comes to classics, I don't care what brand it is. Its all good. I had a mustang when I came to this site, so I am not a 100 percent chevy fan. But damn close. :D

[black02mustang]

I have a 02 GT with a vortech and a paxton air to air aftercooler. If you want to keep your stock block dont go over 10# w/cooler, if you cant get aftercooler dont go over 8#. i learned the hard way and went 10 w/o a cooler. Also if your car is going to be use for a daily driver i suggest you go with the paxton A/A, cause their is no battery relocation. I heard stories about the vortech Aftercooler and how the come with a restriction. i have a buddy that is selling his kit with everything...if you are intersted..

Ya i was planning on having an intercooler or aftercooler with prob. 8#'s . Does your vortech make alot of noise on highway or at idle? Why is your buddy selling the vortech kit? How much? and is it the v2-sq?

[black02mustang]

So i saw this on ebay, look like a good deal?
vortech v2-sq (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-04-mustang-vortech-v-2-sq-supercharger-gt-4-6_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33741QQitemZ801392333 2QQrdZ1#ebayphotohosting)

I know i would need an intercooler but just wondering.

[HFD_20]

Ya i was planning on having an intercooler or aftercooler with prob. 8#'s . Does your vortech make alot of noise on highway or at idle? Why is your buddy selling the vortech kit? How much? and is it the v2-sq?
he sold it, but there is a guy on MPH forum that is selling a polish paxton with everything you will need for 3500 which is not bad for a paxton 2000 intercooler maf, injectors, and everything to install