BCS is out..Va Tech is still overrated

[HookEm]

Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
25 Louisville 23 374 .1324 23 242 .1561 0 4 1 0 0 0 .010 NR .0995 NR

[regaltip]

personally i think The OSU should have come up a little more in the polls...

[OMEGA DOOM]

so when does Bama get there test? and do you guys think they can compete with Texas or USC? :cool:

[regaltip]

Bama to me has a good defense, but i personally don't think that they have the team to keep up with either USC or Texas. Bama had a hard time trying to beat Miss State.

[Boss Hogg]

so when does Bama get there test?
Bama will lose to LSU on Sat.

and do you guys think they can compete with Texas or USC? :cool:
Not in football.

[gonzo]

why is ND so hated on...by far the best 2 loss team(shouldnt have lost either) but still 11th in poll....damn u MSU and Michigan and Tenn for sucking

[HookEm]

why is ND so hated on...by far the best 2 loss team(shouldnt have lost either) but still 11th in poll....damn u MSU and Michigan and Tenn for sucking

They have no good wins, and only one good loss, and one bad loss. That turns voters off, as well it should.They'll be a BCS team.

[jlofton]

How will ND get an at large BCS bid? They have lost 2 games and there are a lot of 1 loss teams in front of them. A BCS bowl for ND is out of the question.

They have no good wins, and only one good loss, and one bad loss. That turns voters off, as well it should.They'll be a BCS team.

[HookEm]

How will ND get an at large BCS bid? They have lost 2 games and there are a lot of 1 loss teams in front of them. A BCS bowl for ND is out of the question.


The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."

[jlofton]

There are only 2 at large bids. You have to believe that Miami is going to get one of them, and that an SEC team will get another.
The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."

[ZYouL8R]

There are only 2 at large bids. You have to believe that Miami is going to get one of them, and that an SEC team will get another.

Why would Miami get one if they win the ACC? :confused:

[jlofton]

If them and FSU wins out FSU has the tie breaker for the South.
Why would Miami get one if they win the ACC? :confused:

[HookEm]

You guys are way under-estimating the power that ND has with the media, when it comes down to it. If it's a choice of "thug U" or ND, does anyone really believe that they won't make SURE it's ND?

[ZYouL8R]

If them and FSU wins out FSU has the tie breaker for the South.

The ACC is broken up into the Atlantic and Coastal divisions (confusing). FSU is in the Atlantic, and VT and Miami are in the Coastal. And even if Miami and FSU were in the same division, Miami would win if they both won out because FSU has 2 conference losses (NCSU & UVA) and Miami only has one.

[ZYouL8R]

You guys are way under-estimating the power that ND has with the media, when it comes down to it. If it's a choice of "thug U" or ND, does anyone really believe that they won't make SURE it's ND?

I don't doubt the power the media has in making ND seem like the #1 team in the nation. A few years ago they somehow got an at-large and got smoked by Oregon St in the Fiesta Bowl w/ Stephen Jackson running all over their asses. Out of the 2-loss teams in the nation right now, I'd say Notre Dame has the best shot by far of making a BCS Bowl, unless OSU beats Michigan easily in the Horseshoe.

[jlofton]

I really dont care about the ACC, but you have to believe that some of the one loss teams will get the 2 at large BCS bids over ND.
The ACC is broken up into the Atlantic and Coastal divisions (confusing). FSU is in the Atlantic, and VT and Miami are in the Coastal. And even if Miami and FSU were in the same division, Miami would win if they both won out because FSU has 2 conference losses (NCSU & UVA) and Miami only has one.

[HookEm]

Isn't there some kind of by law about mid majors and independents getting preferential treatment over major conferences? "The Notre Dame Rule" or some such?

IIRC, if a mid major or indy is BCS elgible, they weill automatically get the nod over a major.

[Juiceweezl]

The media will make sure that ND has a place at the table of 8, come BCS selection show.

"Notre Dame (6-2) moved up three spots to 11th, meaning the Fighting Irish are now in place to become BCS eligible by winning their final three games. Notre Dame needs at least nine regular-season wins and a final BCS ranking in the top 12 to be eligible for selection by one of college football's four big-dollar bowl games."

He's right. The media darling will be playing in a big bowl, although undeservingly. Did you guys read the article on ESPN.com about Weiss getting the extension after going 5-2 while Ty went 8-0 against a tougher schedule with less talent? Coming into this past weekend, ND's 5 wins had come against teams with a combined record of 5-2. Tenn, whom they beat this weekend at home, also has a losing record. Fact is that they haven't beaten anyone they weren't supposed to. The same can be said for VT. Texas still has the biggest win of the season against OSU and they were the underdog there. The media doesn't look at all the facts like that when ND is involved, so bank on them playing in a major bowl.

[HookEm]

Any team from an independent institution, or Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, or Western Athletic Conferences, which is ranked third through sixth in the final BCS standings, shall qualify for a berth in one of the BCS games unless more than two teams meet this criterion. If one team other than Notre Dame qualifies for selection under this provision, Notre Dame shall also qualify for automatic at-large selection provided it is ranked in the top 10 in the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempted games. If two or more teams other than Notre Dame meet this criterion, Notre Dame shall also qualify for the at-large pool provided it is ranked in the top 10 of the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempt contests.

[ZYouL8R]

Thanks BCS!

[Pro Trash]

Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
25 Louisville 23 374 .1324 23 242 .1561 0 4 1 0 0 0 .010 NR .0995 NR


Well Va Tech has played 3 teams that are in the current BCS ranking and only lost to the one currently ranked 4th. The others they beat are WVA and GA Tech, why are

[Pro Trash]

Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 USC 1 2809 .9943 1 1544 .9961 24 25 23 23 24 24 .950 2 .9802 1
2 Texas 2 2728 .9657 2 1494 .9639 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9765 2
3 Alabama 4 2521 .8924 3 1398 .9019 22 18 21 20 22 22 .850 T-4 .8814 4
4 Miami 3 2537 .8981 4 1385 .8935 21 23 19 22 21 21 .850 T-4 .8805 6
5 Penn State 6 2192 .7759 6 1139 .7348 23 20 24 24 23 23 .930 3 .8136 7
6 Virginia Tech 8 2011 .7119 8 1116 .7200 20 22 22 21 20 20 .830 6 .7540 3
7 LSU 5 2284 .8085 5 1283 .8277 12 19 13 11 10 10 .460 T-13 .6987 8
8 Ohio State 10 1833 .6488 10 962 .6206 17 13 18 19 19 18 .720 7 .6632 10
9 Georgia 9 1889 .6687 9 1093 .7052 16 21 15 8 7 13 .520 12 .6313 11
10 Oregon 11 1663 .5887 11 919 .5929 18 15 20 16 17 19 .700 8 .6272 13
11 Notre Dame 7 2131 .7543 7 1124 .7252 9 5 7 10 12 8 .340 18 .6065 14
12 Texas Tech 12 1432 .5069 13 745 .4806 11 16 16 18 16 16 .640 10 .5425 15
13 Florida 13 1344 .4758 12 754 .4865 10 17 9 7 9 11 .390 17 .4507 16
14 West Virginia 17 1122 .3972 15 710 .4581 6 11 12 12 11 12 .460 T-13 .4384 17
15 UCLA 14 1326 .4694 14 744 .4800 14 8 10 4 4 6 .280 T-19 .4098 5
16 Wisconsin 19 680 .2407 19 385 .2484 19 14 17 17 18 17 .690 9 .3930 12
17 TCU 18 957 .3388 18 491 .3168 13 12 14 2 5 14 .440 15 .3652 18
18 Colorado 22 575 .2035 21 302 .1948 15 9 11 15 14 15 .550 11 .3161 22
19 Florida State 16 1151 .4074 16 667 .4303 2 0 2 3 3 2 .090 24 .3093 9
20 Auburn 15 1244 .4404 17 619 .3994 0 6 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .2799 20
21 Michigan 21 582 .2060 22 275 .1774 7 10 8 14 15 9 .410 16 .2645 21
22 Fresno State 20 594 .2103 20 360 .2323 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 NR .1475 24
23 Georgia Tech 24 203 .0719 24 117 .0755 8 3 5 6 6 4 .210 22 .1191 NR
24 Minnesota 29 36 .0127 31 17 .0110 4 0 4 13 13 7 .280 T-19 .1012 NR
25 Louisville 23 374 .1324 23 242 .1561 0 4 1 0 0 0 .010 NR .0995 NR


Well Va Tech has played 3 teams that are in the current BCS ranking and only lost to the one currently ranked 4th. The others they beat are WVA and GA Tech, why are you hating on Tech is it because I root for them Hook em, you sure do make my opinion special, thank you!

[SVTVenom]

Even though they got beat by the #4 team in the nation they still should have fallen just as much as UCLA did for the type of utter beating they took. You have to admit that if Va Tech was as good as their ranking said they were they should have at least made that one close, espically with them being @ home.

[190hp4banger]

You have to admit that if Va Tech was as good as their ranking said they were they should have at least made that one close, espically with them being @ home.

I wholeheartedly agree. IF they weren't overrated, the game would have been much closer. I mean, hell, UT vs Ohio State was as close of a game as you can get. They were ranked 3? spots apart I believe, and at the time both deserved that ranking. I know that nothing is perfect, and some teams are gonna slip by the system, but I guess that's why we need a playoff system.

[Pro Trash]

I wholeheartedly agree. IF they weren't overrated, the game would have been much closer. I mean, hell, UT vs Ohio State was as close of a game as you can get. They were ranked 3? spots apart I believe, and at the time both deserved that ranking. I know that nothing is perfect, and some teams are gonna slip by the system, but I guess that's why we need a playoff system.

Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument :rolleyes:

[Boss Hogg]

Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument :rolleyes:
Do you believe VT deserves to be ranked 3rd in the nation?

[regaltip]

Do you believe VT deserves to be ranked 3rd in the nation?

if he does then i know him and Quincy have been snorting the cane together. Bama is right where they need to be and i still think that The OSU needs to be ranked higher.

[SVTVenom]

if he does then i know him and Quincy have been snorting the cane together. Bama is right where they need to be and i still think that The OSU needs to be ranked higher.

I don't know if 'Bama deserves to be up that far despite their unbeaten record. They really haven't blown anyone away except for Florida. They also have to still play LSU this week and Auburn next week. I'm pretty sure they will drop one of those two especially with the injuries they just incurred over the weekend.

[Pro Trash]

Do you believe VT deserves to be ranked 3rd in the nation?

not now

[regaltip]

Bama is right where they need to be.. LSU isn't as strong as they were a few years ago.. Auburn might have a chance to beat Bama... we will see.. it's going to get intresting.

[Couver]

He's right. The media darling will be playing in a big bowl, although undeservingly. Did you guys read the article on ESPN.com about Weiss getting the extension after going 5-2 while Ty went 8-0 against a tougher schedule with less talent? Coming into this past weekend, ND's 5 wins had come against teams with a combined record of 5-2. Tenn, whom they beat this weekend at home, also has a losing record. Fact is that they haven't beaten anyone they weren't supposed to. The same can be said for VT. Texas still has the biggest win of the season against OSU and they were the underdog there. The media doesn't look at all the facts like that when ND is involved, so bank on them playing in a major bowl.

ND has its own contract with NBC so there is another pull to get them in the BCS. As for the extension they were trying to make it harder for an NFL team to lure him away by upping the buyout clause. Willingham didn't have the NFL experience that Weiss has so there was less danger of him getting swooped up by the NFL.

[davidaustin]

Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument :rolleyes:

Yeah, cause you got beat by them... the whole point is moot now cause you lost. And if you (VTech) were supposedly a #3 team then Miami must be the best team in the nation cause you got completely handled by them... and your all star QB turned out to be the 'deer in the headlights' which is if I remember correctly how you thought Miami would be. The reason I would call them slightly overrated (at this point) is that they completely got owned by a big time quality team. Say what you want, but BC and GTech are not big time quality teams... they are the middle ground programs that are still tough to play but by no means powerhouses. Texas proved it's worth by going into one of the hardest places to play and getting it done (Ohio State). VTech was home at one of the toughest places to play and got bent over. First major test and the failed BIG TIME... not even close at halftime the way Vick was getting thrashed. So yeah, I'm gonna throw the overrated flag on VTech as well... not that they aren't a good program, but I don't think they are a top 5-10 program.

and the OSU arguement is really pointless cause we gave them one loss and thier other loss comes from #5 BCS Penn State. If anything that makes our OSU win even that much more credible cause of the gauntlet that is the Big Ten this year.

[Boss Hogg]

davidaustin, some people might not understand that when teams win they move up in the rankings and that when teams lose they move down in the rankings.

[Pro Trash]

Yeah, cause you got beat by them... the whole point is moot now cause you lost. And if you (VTech) were supposedly a #3 team then Miami must be the best team in the nation cause you got completely handled by them... and your all star QB turned out to be the 'deer in the headlights' which is if I remember correctly how you thought Miami would be. The reason I would call them slightly overrated (at this point) is that they completely got owned by a big time quality team. Say what you want, but BC and GTech are not big time quality teams... they are the middle ground programs that are still tough to play but by no means powerhouses. Texas proved it's worth by going into one of the hardest places to play and getting it done (Ohio State). VTech was home at one of the toughest places to play and got bent over. First major test and the failed BIG TIME... not even close at halftime the way Vick was getting thrashed. So yeah, I'm gonna throw the overrated flag on VTech as well... not that they aren't a good program, but I don't think they are a top 5-10 program.

and the OSU arguement is really pointless cause we gave them one loss and thier other loss comes from #5 BCS Penn State. If anything that makes our OSU win even that much more credible cause of the gauntlet that is the Big Ten this year.

You had a great argument going until you puked up that shit about they aren't top 10 quality. They have been winning maybe you forgot Beamer guided a young Tech team that was picked to finish sixth in the ACC to a league title and a BCS Bowl just last year. Hell lets go back a few years

"Tech finished 9-3 in 1993 after beating Indiana, 45-20, in the Independence Bowl game. Tech followed up with an 8-4 season in 1994, losing to Tennessee, 45-23, in the Gator Bowl.

The Tech teams in 1995 and 1996 were among the best in school history. The 1995 team swept the BIG EAST Conference championship outright and the 1996 club tied for the title with Syracuse and Miami.

The 1995 team was 9-2 during the regular season and then came up with a stirring 28-10 victory over Texas in the Sugar Bowl. The 1996 team went 10-1 during the regular season and lost to powerful Nebraska, 41-21, in the Orange Bowl after giving the Cornhuskers a fierce battle for three quarters.

The Hokies fell to 7-5 in 1997 and were beaten badly by North Carolina in the Gator Bowl, 42-3. But they came right back with a 9-3 mark in 1998 that included an impressive 38-7 victory over Alabama in the inaugural Music City Bowl in Nashville, Tenn.

The two winningest seasons in school history followed in 1999 and 2000 with the Hokies posting back-to-back 11-1 records. Tech registered its first-ever 11-0 regular-season record in '99 before losing its national championship battle with FSU."

So you see this isn't some program that just showed up this year, there is a history of winning and if you look at the Orange above you see why tu fans hate VT, LOL.

[davidaustin]

I'm not basing anything about this year on history (except that USC should be #1 until they get unseated)

And yeah, I know VTech isn't a flash in the pan team... they have been good for awhile and have had years where they are legit contenders

I have just personally never felt like they have been truely tested this year and thier one test they completely failed. I don't care if you were to play USC... if you rack up an absimal 53ish yards in the first half you don't deserve to even be on that field.

I think the VTech/Miami game was a combination of Miami is that good and VTech might just be a bit worse than people thought.

I would have them in the 9-12 range after that choke fest last Sat. night. based on the fact that they played a horrible 4 quarters of football and I think there are other one loss teams and Ohio State (2 loss team) that could easily sit ahead of them.

And so you know I'm not just a VTech hater... if the game had been closer... like say 21-14 or something I would have VTech alot higher... perhaps even the highest one loss team behind Miami... but they played horrible for 60 minutes and IMO that exposed a good bit of VTech to the point where I personally feel that a good number of teams could walk in Blacksburg and beat them.

[Boss Hogg]

Nice DeLorean, Pro Trash. :rolleyes: Can you stay on topic?

How does the last 12 years prove VT is not overrated THIS year?

[Pro Trash]

I'm not basing anything about this year on history (except that USC should be #1 until they get unseated)

And yeah, I know VTech isn't a flash in the pan team... they have been good for awhile and have had years where they are legit contenders

I have just personally never felt like they have been truely tested this year and thier one test they completely failed. I don't care if you were to play USC... if you rack up an absimal 53ish yards in the first half you don't deserve to even be on that field.

I think the VTech/Miami game was a combination of Miami is that good and VTech might just be a bit worse than people thought.

I would have them in the 9-12 range after that choke fest last Sat. night. based on the fact that they played a horrible 4 quarters of football and I think there are other one loss teams and Ohio State (2 loss team) that could easily sit ahead of them.

And so you know I'm not just a VTech hater... if the game had been closer... like say 21-14 or something I would have VTech alot higher... perhaps even the highest one loss team behind Miami... but they played horrible for 60 minutes and IMO that exposed a good bit of VTech to the point where I personally feel that a good number of teams could walk in Blacksburg and beat them.

Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.

[HookEm]

Eh, do we need to post his stats again?
He choked, plain and simple.

Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.

[ZYouL8R]

Nice DeLorean, Pro Trash. :rolleyes: Can you stay on topic?

How does the last 12 years prove VT is not overrated THIS year?

Forget it, he's rolling.

[davidaustin]

Well we'll have to disagree because after that game I don't think tu or USC would have come away from that one with a win. Miami played one of the best games I have seen in a while, if they didn't have the early season loss I'd say they may very well be number 2 at this point in the season. Vick didn't fail he got out played.

Do you think UT or USC would have gained more than 53 total offensive yards in the first half??

Do you think Matt Lienart would have gone 8 of 22 for 90 yards with one pass accounting for 23 yards of that total??

Would Reggie Bush or VY have been held to a team combined 77 yards on 34 attempts.

That may have been the type of game that no team walks away from with a W, but UT or USC would have easily made it a better game. VTech just choked it up and made a really good defense look like an alltime great defense...

My previous post points out that if the game had been closer I think VTech would still have alot of my respect... but they got beat out of the gate and never made a solid transition throughout the game to change thier game play. Therefor I stick to my opinion that there are a good 8-10 teams out there that can give them a run any given day home or away...

[Boss Hogg]

Vick didn't fail he got out played.
BWHAHAHAHAHA!

[SVTVenom]

Vick didn't fail he got out played.

Ummm, if you look at his #'s against Miami in that game he definately gets an 'F' from me as well as anyone else in the sporting world that isn't drinking the "Special Kool-Aid." :rolleyes:

[Boss Hogg]

Vick didn't fail, the football was bad.

[regaltip]

Vick didn't fail he got out played.

did you watch the same game we all did? 3 vick turnovers huh how is that out played?

[regaltip]

Vick didn't fail, the football was bad.

BWAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAA!!!

[Boss Hogg]

Actually it was 6 turnovers by Vick.

Vick didn't fail, the lighting was bad.

[HookEm]

Actually it was 6 turnovers by Vick.

Vick didn't fail, the lighting was bad.

Sounds like:

The aggies didn't lose, they just ran out of time...

[Boss Hogg]

No, the aggies only lost to Texas Tech by 4 points.

[jlofton]

VA Tech is always way overated. ESPN always hypes them up more than what they really are. And towards the end of the season they always fold. Beamer nor VA Tech can win the big one.

[Pro Trash]

VA Tech is always way overated. ESPN always hypes them up more than what they really are. And towards the end of the season they always fold. Beamer nor VA Tech can win the big one.

Yeah well I haven't seen tu in a National Title game in the last oh 10 years. I think you are still pissed about losing that Bowl game to Va Tech back in the mid 90's, LOL. Let it go man let it go, :D

[Cammin4V]

TCU moved up a whopping 1 SPOT! WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! HAHA!

[HookEm]

Texas just won a national champtionship in May or so.
Then there's the ags, who's ONLY NCAA title of ANY kind is now 66 years old.........

Va Tech sucks. Miami proved that.

Yeah well I haven't seen tu in a National Title game in the last oh 10 years. I think you are still pissed about losing that Bowl game to Va Tech back in the mid 90's, LOL. Let it go man let it go, :D

[190hp4banger]

Yeah they were ranked but now we have come to find out they were over rated, so you all had a real close game with a team that sits at number 8 in the BCS today. VT lost to the team currently ranked 4th in the nation, great argument :rolleyes:

As someone else already stated... "Reading is FUNdamental." I said they both deserved those rankings AT THE TIME. This was also a VERY early season game. What top 5 team did VT dare to play that early in the season? What other team has EVER beaten OSU in the 'shoe in a night game? *insert cricket noises here* VT just played a top 5 team very late in the season and got their asses handed to them. *insert crickets again* You're very lucky the ratings have gone the way they have because OSU should be rated above VT, although they're very close at #8 vs #6 . VT didn't LOSE to the the 4th ranked team, they got murdered. Since you want to compare quality of W's and L's and some nonsensical info (3 years of previous seasons, and wins that happened 10 years ago)... VT got murdered by the #5 team at the time while UT murdered an opponent in the top 25. Both games were completely lopsided, and the difference in the ranking of the teams should have been apparent. How do you propose that VT still deserves to be 6th?

[ZYouL8R]

Yeah well I haven't seen tu in a National Title game in the last oh 10 years. I think you are still pissed about losing that Bowl game to Va Tech back in the mid 90's, LOL. Let it go man let it go, :D

Is that really all you have now? Bowl games from 10 years ago? Making you look stupid isn't even fun anymore :(

[Boss Hogg]

If we are going back in time, I want to see Virginia Tech's National Championship Trophy Case.
http://www.storefixtures2000.com/images/Deluxe_Trophy_Case.jpg

[ZYouL8R]

LMAO! And it wouldn't take too much time to photoshop a trophy on there for A&M's.

[Pro Trash]

As someone else already stated... "Reading is FUNdamental." I said they both deserved those rankings AT THE TIME. This was also a VERY early season game. What top 5 team did VT dare to play that early in the season? What other team has EVER beaten OSU in the 'shoe in a night game? *insert cricket noises here* VT just played a top 5 team very late in the season and got their asses handed to them. *insert crickets again* You're very lucky the ratings have gone the way they have because OSU should be rated above VT, although they're very close at #8 vs #6 . VT didn't LOSE to the the 4th ranked team, they got murdered. Since you want to compare quality of W's and L's and some nonsensical info (3 years of previous seasons, and wins that happened 10 years ago)... VT got murdered by the #5 team at the time while UT murdered an opponent in the top 25. Both games were completely lopsided, and the difference in the ranking of the teams should have been apparent. How do you propose that VT still deserves to be 6th?

How is it that you feel Tech shouldn't be #6? tu barely got out of the shoe alive and against a team that is somewhat overrated itself. Ohio St. has played only a couple of ranked teams and has taken two losses this year one to Penn #6 and one to tu #2 and the other ranked team they played at the time was Michigan St who has disappeared off the radar. Tech has dropped one game against a team much better than once beleived to be, yeah the #4 team in the nation, do the math stupid.
I guess we could also look at the storied past of tu from a few years back and see what happened there. 2002 tu dropped the OU and Texas Tech( not ranked at seasons end) games and ended up ranked top 10 they must have been over rated right? Then in 2003 they dropped both the Arkansas (not ranked at seasons end) and OU games and ended up ranked 5th at seasons end, once again they must have been overrated right? Then in 2004 they once again, you guessed it, dropped the OU game and ended up once again ranked 5th. I doubt you would have called tu overrated for dropping one or two games in those seasons so why are you bagging on Va Tech. Hell tu lost to OU by 52 fucking points in 2003 and still ended up ranked top 5, Tech lost by twenty. I guess if a loss by 20 is murder is there even a fucking word to describe getting beat the fuck down by 52 points? crickets chirping here It has been laid out before you that VA Tech has played and beaten two ranked opponents that are still circling the wagon, WVU and Boston, where as Ohio has not and has dropped two games to the only ranked opponents they have played. So READING is fundemental you need to come with more than a half ass opinion and actually read the stats. This is really to easy, try reading some then come back to me :rolleyes: . If you didn't realize it you just got owned!

[HookEm]

Step out of the DeLorean, and come into the present year.
aggy sucks.
VA Tech was overrated, and has beaten no one.
And Texas may very well be playing for the MNC.
As to Va Tech:
They have ZERO wins over the Top 15, and ONE over the Top 20.
They have no "good" wins, and no good losses....why are they even in the Top 15? They should be around 17-25.

And if you really think that game wasn't a "bend over and take it like a little bitch" ass beating, you didn't watch the game. The dogs were called off VERY EARLY.

As to your obsessive Texas talk, the difference is, Texas plays in a real conference (this year withstanding). In all those years you mentioned, Texas played ranked opponents week in and week out. Fortunately, there was always a cupcake game at the end of the year.

BTW, that wasn't even close to owned.




How is it that you feel Tech shouldn't be #6? tu barely got out of the shoe alive and against a team that is somewhat overrated itself. Ohio St. has played only a couple of ranked teams and has taken two losses this year one to Penn #6 and one to tu #2 and the other ranked team they played at the time was Michigan St who has disappeared off the radar. Tech has dropped one game against a team much better than once beleived to be, yeah the #4 team in the nation, do the math stupid.
I guess we could also look at the storied past of tu from a few years back and see what happened there. 2002 tu dropped the OU and Texas Tech( not ranked at seasons end) games and ended up ranked top 10 they must have been over rated right? Then in 2003 they dropped both the Arkansas (not ranked at seasons end) and OU games and ended up ranked 5th at seasons end, once again they must have been overrated right? Then in 2004 they once again, you guessed it, dropped the OU game and ended up once again ranked 5th. I doubt you would have called tu overrated for dropping one or two games in those seasons so why are you bagging on Va Tech. Hell tu lost to OU by 52 fucking points in 2003 and still ended up ranked top 5, Tech lost by twenty. I guess if a loss by 20 is murder is there even a fucking word to describe getting beat the fuck down by 52 points? crickets chirping here It has been laid out before you that VA Tech has played and beaten two ranked opponents that are still circling the wagon, WVU and Boston, where as Ohio has not and has dropped two games to the only ranked opponents they have played. So READING is fundemental you need to come with more than a half ass opinion and actually read the stats. This is really to easy, try reading some then come back to me :rolleyes: . If you didn't realize it you just got owned!

[Boss Hogg]

If you didn't realize it you just got owned!
BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Step out of the DeLorean, and come into the present year.
His OU, A&M, and VT wagon broke down.

[davidaustin]

I guess we could also look at the storied past of tu from a few years back and see what happened there. 2002 tu dropped the OU and Texas Tech( not ranked at seasons end) games and ended up ranked top 10 they must have been over rated right? Then in 2003 they dropped both the Arkansas (not ranked at seasons end) and OU games and ended up ranked 5th at seasons end, once again they must have been overrated right? Then in 2004 they once again, you guessed it, dropped the OU game and ended up once again ranked 5th. I doubt you would have called tu overrated for dropping one or two games in those seasons so why are you bagging on Va Tech. Hell tu lost to OU by 52 fucking points in 2003 and still ended up ranked top 5, Tech lost by twenty. I guess if a loss by 20 is murder is there even a fucking word to describe getting beat the fuck down by 52 points? crickets chirping here

If you are going to show stats then show the whole story.

Texas lost to Arkansas early, but you know just as well as I do that early season loses don't hurt as much as late ones do. So then when Texas got drop kicked by 52, OU was ranked... drumroll please... #1.

Texas going into that game was ranked #11 and the following week did a freefall down to #20. That's a very deserving ranking considering they lost by such a wide margin even if it was to the #1 team in the country. They then earned back thier ranking by winning convincingly against a #12 Nebraska and #21 OkSU.

They finished the regular season ranked #5 cause the #4, #8, and #10 teams dropped the last season game. Otherwise they prob would have ended up more around the 8-12ish range...

But I wouldn't expect you to show what really happened... Oh, and did I mention that Jason White won the Heisman in 2003 as well?? You tend to get a tad more respect when one of your loses is to one of the highest ranking defenses in history and your QB wins the award of all awards in college.

VTech lost (at home) to a team that future history may show is alot stronger than it appears, but lets get a few facts straight.

Marcus Vick was hyped like he was all pro ready to step into the NFL... and... nothing. Not even respectable stats. In fact... his longest pass of the day came in the 4th quarter and his gimmie TD was with 8 minutes left to play.

Wright gets a nice head shot early so he sits out.
Moss is out for the season in the first quarter
Hester is out (or at least not full speed) with hammy problems
Miami's O-line only has ONE dependable big man
Thier D is good, but it's not shut down 53 first half yards good.

Miami is in a rebuild mode season with a new QB

VTech was supposed to be a national title contender

So you have a team that nobody really knows how good they are and a team that nobody really knows how bad they can be... and that's exactly what happened. Miami showed up to play and VTech curled up in a ball. They got bent over and should have dropped a good 7-10 spots as most teams usually do after a completely demoralizing loss as the Miami game was. And that is why I will continue to say that VTech was and continues to be overrated. I think the #8 spot would be much more deserving if they had actually shown up to the game before the 4th quarter.

[Pro Trash]

Step out of the DeLorean, and come into the present year.
aggy sucks.
VA Tech was overrated, and has beaten no one.
And Texas may very well be playing for the MNC.
As to Va Tech:
They have ZERO wins over the Top 15, and ONE over the Top 20.
They have no "good" wins, and no good losses....why are they even in the Top 15? They should be around 17-25.

And if you really think that game wasn't a "bend over and take it like a little bitch" ass beating, you didn't watch the game. The dogs were called off VERY EARLY.

As to your obsessive Texas talk, the difference is, Texas plays in a real conference (this year withstanding). In all those years you mentioned, Texas played ranked opponents week in and week out. Fortunately, there was always a cupcake game at the end of the year.

BTW, that wasn't even close to owned.

Yeah it was getting owned but please define a murder in college football is it 20 points? 30 points? or 52? well fess up? Also all those years tu took a loss to OU and dropped games to unranked opponents and still ended up in the top 10 set a precedence. If tu could remain in the top ten after taking a loss to non ranked opponents then how in the hell do claim that VT doesn't deserve the same respect? I guess you just can't admit when you are bested, face it VT is number 6 and has lost one game to a team that very well could end up the number 2 team this year. To say that the ACC isn't a real conference is complete BS it has 12 teams just as our own Big 12. Both have 6 teams that are constantly in the top 25 for our Big 12 it is tu, OU, Neb, A&M, Tech and Col for the ACC it is FL, Miami, BC, VT, GT and VA. Also in the before mentioned years tu played about 4 ranked teams a year that were somewhere between 15th and 25th. If you go back and look VT played 3-5 top ranked teams in each of those seasons also. So what we have here is a precedence that has been set. If Texas can take a 52 point bent over ass banging and still remain in the top 10 then why should the standard be any different for VT some two years later when they take a 20 point loss to the #4 team? Why, because tu had one more ranked opponent on their schedule than Tech what about the fact they lost to Arkansas an unranked opponent in 03 and lost two games overall? Your team has set the standard for keeping in the top 10 after a loss. Even you must admit a 20 point loss to a #5 team when you are ranked #3 is a hell of a bunch better than a 52 point loss to a #3 ranked team when you are ranked #5. Va Tech and Vick are better than you wish to admit, so go ahead Hook em admit you just got handled. I expect your anger to best you and for you to blister Vick and call him a rapist or something to spin what has been said. This is because you and I both know it is either tu has been overrated for a while or Va Tech is exactly where they belong,LOL. Man you make this to easy. :D

[davidaustin]

So what we have here is a precedence that has been set. If Texas can take a 52 point bent over ass banging and still remain in the top 10 then why should the standard be any different for VT some two years later when they take a 20 point loss to the #4 team? Why, because tu had one more ranked opponent on their schedule than Tech what about the fact they lost to Arkansas an unranked opponent in 03 and lost two games overall? Your team has set the standard for keeping in the top 10 after a loss. Even you must admit a 20 point loss to a #5 team when you are ranked #3 is a hell of a bunch better than a 52 point loss to a #3 ranked team when you are ranked #5. Va Tech and Vick are better than you wish to admit, so go ahead Hook em admit you just got handled. I expect your anger to best you and for you to blister Vick and call him a rapist or something to spin what has been said. This is because you and I both know it is either tu has been overrated for a while or Va Tech is exactly where they belong,LOL. Man you make this to easy. :D



If you are going to argue the merrits of precedence then you need to have the correct information.

When Texas dropped to Arkansas they went from being ranked #6 to #13. Which is fair considering it was a tough game from old rivals. They moved up to #11 before taking on #1 OU.

They got smeared and dropped to #20.

Throughout the season their respective rankings moved up like this.

#20
#19
#16
#11
#6
#6
--- End Regular Season ---

They earned thier way back along with a few key loses by big ranked guys around the country.

The precedence set was that you have to earn your way back.

Wanna keep playing this game??

[davidaustin]

Just for kicks I thought I'd dig a bit deeper into this precedence thing...

Since Texas lost to OU so many times in a row it made it pretty easy LOL

2000
#11 Texas vs. #10 OU Score 14-63 Texas drops to #25

2001
#5 Texas vs. #3 OU Score 3-14 Texas drops to #11

2002
#3 Texas vs. #2 OU Score 24-35 Texas drops to #8 (a closer game and prob got a bit more style points since OU was coming off of a national title season)

2003
#11 Texas vs. #1 OU Score 13-65 Texas drops to #20

2004
#5 Texas vs. #2 OU Score 0-12 Texas drops to #9

UH-OH... these are statistical factual records...

and it proves that whatever Texas finished at was what they earned on the field and through the course of other teams dropping games.

[jlofton]

LOL The Ags arent going to win any kind of NCAA title for a long time.Texas just won a national champtionship in May or so.
Then there's the ags, who's ONLY NCAA title of ANY kind is now 66 years old.........

Va Tech sucks. Miami proved that.

[HookEm]

VA Tech has done nothing to merit a Top 15 placing. They have no quality wins. According to you, their shining moment this year was getting destroyed by Miami. You've yet to justify why they should be in the Top 15.



Yeah it was getting owned but please define a murder in college football is it 20 points? 30 points? or 52? well fess up? Also all those years tu took a loss to OU and dropped games to unranked opponents and still ended up in the top 10 set a precedence. If tu could remain in the top ten after taking a loss to non ranked opponents then how in the hell do claim that VT doesn't deserve the same respect? I guess you just can't admit when you are bested, face it VT is number 6 and has lost one game to a team that very well could end up the number 2 team this year. To say that the ACC isn't a real conference is complete BS it has 12 teams just as our own Big 12. Both have 6 teams that are constantly in the top 25 for our Big 12 it is tu, OU, Neb, A&M, Tech and Col for the ACC it is FL, Miami, BC, VT, GT and VA. Also in the before mentioned years tu played about 4 ranked teams a year that were somewhere between 15th and 25th. If you go back and look VT played 3-5 top ranked teams in each of those seasons also. So what we have here is a precedence that has been set. If Texas can take a 52 point bent over ass banging and still remain in the top 10 then why should the standard be any different for VT some two years later when they take a 20 point loss to the #4 team? Why, because tu had one more ranked opponent on their schedule than Tech what about the fact they lost to Arkansas an unranked opponent in 03 and lost two games overall? Your team has set the standard for keeping in the top 10 after a loss. Even you must admit a 20 point loss to a #5 team when you are ranked #3 is a hell of a bunch better than a 52 point loss to a #3 ranked team when you are ranked #5. Va Tech and Vick are better than you wish to admit, so go ahead Hook em admit you just got handled. I expect your anger to best you and for you to blister Vick and call him a rapist or something to spin what has been said. This is because you and I both know it is either tu has been overrated for a while or Va Tech is exactly where they belong,LOL. Man you make this to easy. :D

[Pro Trash]

If you are going to argue the merrits of precedence then you need to have the correct information.

When Texas dropped to Arkansas they went from being ranked #6 to #13. Which is fair considering it was a tough game from old rivals. They moved up to #11 before taking on #1 OU.

They got smeared and dropped to #20.

Throughout the season their respective rankings moved up like this.

#20
#19
#16
#11
#6
#6
--- End Regular Season ---

They earned thier way back along with a few key loses by big ranked guys around the country.

The precedence set was that you have to earn your way back.

Wanna keep playing this game??

When Tech lost late in the season this year they dropped from # 3 to #6 and as for that weak stuff you brought up about an old rival :rolleyes: holds zero wieght. Arkansas was not ranked when they beat tu. Of course you drop considerably when you get beat by 52 points versus taking a late season loss to the team that hits #4 the next week after a good season with two shut outs and victories over three teams still bouncing around in the top 25. GT, Boston and WVU are games Tech won in solid fashion. Once again we have to look at the system and say this is fair or not fair. Either things are where they should be or the system is flawed and both VT and tu have been fooling everyone over the past few years? Which is it?

[davidaustin]

Of course you drop considerably when you get beat by 52 points

You are the one who said that they didn't drop out of the top 10...

If Texas can take a 52 point bent over ass banging and still remain in the top 10 then why should the standard be any different for VT some two years later when they take a 20 point loss to the #4 team?

Keep to one story please...

And it's funny that out of all the FACTS that I have presented to you about how your 'precedence' theory is completely bunk you point out the very minute detail of how I called Arkansas an 'old rival'

Bottom line is I have given you concrete proof that if you take a loss (also noting that Texas was ranked lower than OU every year they played in my chart) you get dropped more than VTech did after its showing

When Texas got soundly beat they got soundly beatup in the polls.

That's my point about precendence

Bottom line is your talk about how Texas was ranked this and that and how they weren't held to standards when they lost is BS and you got proven that you don't know your facts about thier rankings and the way the voters handled thier loses.

[Pro Trash]

"You are the one who said that they didn't drop out of the top 10... "

.

No you said that I simply said that

"Also all those years tu took a loss to OU and dropped games to unranked opponents and still ended up in the top 10 set a precedence"

Read the big blue word hero :rolleyes:

[davidaustin]

No you said that I simply said that

"Also all those years tu took a loss to OU and dropped games to unranked opponents and still ended up in the top 10 set a precedence"

Read the big blue word hero :rolleyes:


That's what happens when you win the rest of your games. It's called earning your way back... and history of college football polling shows that if you are going to drop a game do it early... cause finishing strong looks alot better than being owned 3 games before you are trying to play for a National Title. Texas didn't just magically jump back up to those rankings next week. They won thier way back over the next 5 games as noted in my above posts

and just so you can't dispute this I'll go back to the record books.

2000 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #12
2001 - Lost to CU in Big 12Champ final regular season rank #9
2002 - Lost to TTech final regular season rank #10
2003 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #5
2004 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #6

And just to be fair... Texas hasn't set a precedence... this happens every year to any number of teams. as noted that Texas has benefited from late season loses from high ranked teams to put them in that final position.

And the whole reason I gave you such stats a few posts ago was to point out that if you are going to compare before and after then get the numbers right

Edit... You are right that you did say that... I missed that apparently but we are quoting two differnent posts and from the post I quoted you can see why I took it the way I did

[Pro Trash]

That's what happens when you win the rest of your games. It's called earning your way back... and history of college football polling shows that if you are going to drop a game do it early... cause finishing strong looks alot better than being owned 3 games before you are trying to play for a National Title. Texas didn't just magically jump back up to those rankings next week. They won thier way back over the next 5 games as noted in my above posts

and just so you can't dispute this I'll go back to the record books.

2000 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #12
2001 - Lost to CU in Big 12Champ final regular season rank #9
2002 - Lost to TTech final regular season rank #10
2003 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #5
2004 - No loses after OU final regular season rank #6

And just to be fair... Texas hasn't set a precedence... this happens every year to any number of teams. as noted that Texas has benefited from late season loses from high ranked teams to put them in that final position.

And the whole reason I gave you such stats a few posts ago was to point out that if you are going to compare before and after then get the numbers right

Edit... You are right that you did say that... I missed that apparently but we are quoting two differnent posts and from the post I quoted you can see why I took it the way I did

I can undertand the misunderstanding on that quote, as for precedence I agree it isn't Texas that has essentially set it but you have to admit it is easy to compare these two clubs in recent years given their success and failures. I also notice you were careful to word the final "regular" season records post OU games LOL. Also I see that tu lost in the bowl game 2003 to Washington St. I know it was not regular season, LOL. I applaud you on the effort though :D

[Boss Hogg]

Despite all the petty bickering, one item that we can all agree upon is that OU, A&M, & Virginia Tech suck when compared to Texas.

[davidaustin]

I can undertand the misunderstanding on that quote, as for precedence I agree it isn't Texas that has essentially set it but you have to admit it is easy to compare these two clubs in recent years given their success and failures. I also notice you were careful to word the final "regular" season records post OU games LOL. Also I see that tu lost in the bowl game 2003 to Washington St. I know it was not regular season, LOL. I applaud you on the effort though :D

I agree... and I have never once said that VTech wasn't a great program that is worthy to be considered a contender year in and year out... this year I just have always thought them to be suspect mainly cause they haven't really had thier backs up against the wall by any teams... (like the OkSU game for Texas) It shows alot more that you have the ability to take complete control in the face of adverstity even if it is from an unranked nobody team.

I just never felt as if VTech had really been tested... not so much by teams rankings and such, but by their character and how to respond to playing a gritty closer than expected game... then Miami came along and abused them left and right.

But I'll always try to argue factually and reasonably... not just bandwaggoning.


Yeah, about the final regular season thing...

I've never really thought that the 'post bowl' ranking was all that important except for the actual title game.

That whole 3 weeks to a full month off can really do weird things to your team and the potential momentum you had at the end of the season.

A say #7 ranking at the end of regular season play means alot more to me than droping to #12 or so cause you lose a close game a month later.

I think the regular season and how you handle week 1-11/12 shows more about your team than a game you have to wait around weeks for with a fairly unknown opponet. (except for the actual title game of course)

[Pro Trash]

I agree... and I have never once said that VTech wasn't a great program that is worthy to be considered a contender year in and year out... this year I just have always thought them to be suspect mainly cause they haven't really had thier backs up against the wall by any teams... (like the OkSU game for Texas) It shows alot more that you have the ability to take complete control in the face of adverstity even if it is from an unranked nobody team.

I just never felt as if VTech had really been tested... not so much by teams rankings and such, but by their character and how to respond to playing a gritty closer than expected game... then Miami came along and abused them left and right.

But I'll always try to argue factually and reasonably... not just bandwaggoning.


Yeah, about the final regular season thing...

I've never really thought that the 'post bowl' ranking was all that important except for the actual title game.

That whole 3 weeks to a full month off can really do weird things to your team and the potential momentum you had at the end of the season.

A say #7 ranking at the end of regular season play means alot more to me than droping to #12 or so cause you lose a close game a month later.

I think the regular season and how you handle week 1-11/12 shows more about your team than a game you have to wait around weeks for with a fairly unknown opponet. (except for the actual title game of course)

I can agree with most of that and call it a good debate.

[HookEm]

I'd still love to hear one good reason as to why Vag Technical should be in the Top 15. It certainly isn't due to any W's they have.

[Pro Trash]

I'd still love to hear one good reason as to why Vag Technical should be in the Top 15. It certainly isn't due to any W's they have.

Well I guess you'll just have to argue with yourself then, I reached a point of agreement with David , I don't see us reaching that point. Face it we have such contempt for one another that we x out one anothers opinions from the start. This being said I doubt you will attain the basic concept that I am speaking of. To address all of the requisites that it would take to help you aquire my reasoning for Tech being top ten would in fact be time wasted on you in the grand scheme of things. For you see concepts are attained to higher levels and attainig concepts at the classificatory and formal levels is essential for understanding principals, grasping structures of knowledge and problem solving in general. I really haven't the time nor the energy to break it all down any further than I already have. :D

[HookEm]

In other words, you can't support your thesis. How do you justify a team's ranking? By good wins, and sometimes, good losses. Notre Dame losing to USC was a "good loss," for example. Vag Technical has neither a good win, or a good loss under their belt. USC has wins over 2 BCS Top 15s, Texas wins over 3 BCS Top 15, etc etc.

You act like John Kerry's infamous "I've got a plan but I'm not telling" when it comes to Vag Tech.




Well I guess you'll just have to argue with yourself then, I reached a point of agreement with David , I don't see us reaching that point. Face it we have such contempt for one another that we x out one anothers opinions from the start. This being said I doubt you will attain the basic concept that I am speaking of. To address all of the requisites that it would take to help you aquire my reasoning for Tech being top ten would in fact be time wasted on you in the grand scheme of things. For you see concepts are attained to higher levels and attainig concepts at the classificatory and formal levels is essential for understanding principals, grasping structures of knowledge and problem solving in general. I really haven't the time nor the energy to break it all down any further than I already have. :D

[exlude]

I think VT losing to Miami could be a "good loss". But with a lack of "good wins" it kinda trumps itself into an "expected loss" if it were not for BCS overratings :D

[Boss Hogg]

"good loss" = close game.

VT got smoked by Miami. The game was not even close, therefore it cannot be a "good loss".

[exlude]

"good loss" = close game.

VT got smoked by Miami. The game was not even close, therefore it cannot be a "good loss".

Ah, gotcha. By that definition then no, it wasn't a good loss :D

[HookEm]

Ah, gotcha. By that definition then no, it wasn't a good loss :D

ND losing to USC was a good loss, for example.

[190hp4banger]

If you didn't realize it you just got owned!

Nope, you got owned in the next couple posts after this... and I didn't even have to say a word :p .

[Pro Trash]

In other words, you can't support your thesis. How do you justify a team's ranking? By good wins, and sometimes, good losses. Notre Dame losing to USC was a "good loss," for example. Vag Technical has neither a good win, or a good loss under their belt. USC has wins over 2 BCS Top 15s, Texas wins over 3 BCS Top 15, etc etc.

You act like John Kerry's infamous "I've got a plan but I'm not telling" when it comes to Vag Tech.

Look if you can't comprehend the fact that a team like VA Tech took one loss all season to the number #4 ranked team in the nation and has three wins over quality programs and several shut outs then I am not sure what else you need. If you look at the 2003 Texas season when they lost two games one to an non ranked Arkansas and then by a 52 point deficit to OU you can see the light. I think you just want to argue for the sake of argument. Anyway that year Texas also beat a 10th ranked at the time Kansas this year Tech beat a 13th ranked at the time BC you also played and beat NEB #21 and OSU #22 at those times in 2003. This year Tech beat a 15th ranked Georgia at the time and a now BCS 14th ranked WVU. So if you use the 2003 Texas 5th place ranking at seasons end as a model then you can easily justify Virginia Techs current ranking at # 6. Do you grasp the overall concept of how teams are traditionally ranked or are you going to start acting like rainman and repeat yourself. If anyone is acting like John Kerry it is you. All you say is they don't deserve it but you have no facts nor any type of precedence where a team in a similar situation was ranked accordingly. I suggest you let it go, I must say after watching the Texas highlights last night on ESPN I am very impressed with VY and think he may very well be the real deal come time for the Pro's. I could see him being another McNabb or Vick. Do you at least agree with that ? I am actually beginning to honestly feel this is Texas's year.

[Boss Hogg]

I am actually beginning to honestly feel this is Texas's year.
You better not predict Texas will win the MNC! :mad::mad::mad:

[Pro Trash]

You better not predict Texas will win the MNC! :mad::mad::mad:

I said it is their year I didn't predict what they will do with it. I can if you'd like though :D

[Boss Hogg]

Please have mercy upon us and pick USC to win!

[HookEm]

What 3 wins are you talking about? And this "at the time" business.....come on. tOSU was what..#4 when Texas beat them, yet you don't hear me clamoring about a win over a Top 5 team. At the time means nada. I mean, we beat Oklahoma, but at the time the season began, they were a Top 5 team.....it's silly.

The 2003 team ended up #12, but they had wins over the #16, by 4, and #21 OkSt, by 34. They had one loss to an UR early in the season, and one L to the #1.

Va Tech doesn't have the skins on the wall that team did, nor will they at the end of the season.



Look if you can't comprehend the fact that a team like VA Tech took one loss all season to the number #4 ranked team in the nation and has three wins over quality programs and several shut outs then I am not sure what else you need. If you look at the 2003 Texas season when they lost two games one to an non ranked Arkansas and then by a 52 point deficit to OU you can see the light. I think you just want to argue for the sake of argument. Anyway that year Texas also beat a 10th ranked at the time Kansas this year Tech beat a 13th ranked at the time BC you also played and beat NEB #21 and OSU #22 at those times in 2003. This year Tech beat a 15th ranked Georgia at the time and a now BCS 14th ranked WVU. So if you use the 2003 Texas 5th place ranking at seasons end as a model then you can easily justify Virginia Techs current ranking at # 6. Do you grasp the overall concept of how teams are traditionally ranked or are you going to start acting like rainman and repeat yourself. If anyone is acting like John Kerry it is you. All you say is they don't deserve it but you have no facts nor any type of precedence where a team in a similar situation was ranked accordingly. I suggest you let it go, I must say after watching the Texas highlights last night on ESPN I am very impressed with VY and think he may very well be the real deal come time for the Pro's. I could see him being another McNabb or Vick. Do you at least agree with that ? I am actually beginning to honestly feel this is Texas's year.

[Pro Trash]

What 3 wins are you talking about? And this "at the time" business.....come on. tOSU was what..#4 when Texas beat them, yet you don't hear me clamoring about a win over a Top 5 team. At the time means nada. I mean, we beat Oklahoma, but at the time the season began, they were a Top 5 team.....it's silly.

The 2003 team ended up #12, but they had wins over the #16, by 4, and #21 OkSt, by 34. They had one loss to an UR early in the season, and one L to the #1.

Va Tech doesn't have the skins on the wall that team did, nor will they at the end of the season.

Once again I have to go into this because you can't seem to accept the similarities between Texas in 2003 and VT in 2005. Here we go both teams at seasons end hover in the top 8 . At the very end of 2003 Texas was ranked 5th in the Nation for it's last regular season game and went to the bowl game ranked as such and lost 28 to 20 to then ranked number 14 Wash St. So at the end of the season Texas had played 4 top 25 ranked teams, at the very end of the season those teams were ranked Kansas St(10th), Nebraska(21st) OSU(22nd) and OU (3rd on 6 Dec when they played their last regular season game). Texas was defeated by OU ranked 3rd and Arkansas who was unranked all year. Now this year at this time VA Tech has played 4 top 25 ranked teams,WVU(14th) GT(23rd),BC(25th) and Miami (3rd in the AP or 4th in the Coach or BCS), they soundly defeated those three opponents and lost by twenty to 1 team who is at the very end of the season is ranked very high just like 3rd place OU in 2003. The big difference is Texas lost to a unranked and took a 52 point loss to a 3rd ranked OU. All this is as of the very last games of each perspective teams schedule 2003 vs Texas or current 2005 standing as of today vs VT. Is this all clear to you? 2003 Texas beat #s 10,21, 22 and lost two games one NR and one to the # 3 and was ranked 5th. This year VT beat #s 23rd,25th, 14th and took a loss to the #4 and never lost to an unranked opponent and is currently ranked 6th in the BCS and 8th in the other two polls.

So what skins on the wall are you speaking of? They seem to have hung identical skins. Also it seems taking a loss by 20 to the number 4 team at seasons end and having only that one loss then being ranked 6th versus taking a 52 point loss to the #3 team and a loss to a nonranked opponent then being ranked 5th at season end may mean Texas was then overrated if you now consider VT overrated, don't you think? Those two season are so close in games versus ranking played it is easy to see the comparison, I understand if you don't want to!

You have no leg to stand on for it is your very team that this standard is based off of at seasons end and all stats mentioned are either from the last game of each team in 2003 or the stats of each team on VTs schedule at this very moment.

[Pro Trash]

Please have mercy upon us and pick USC to win!

I'm not sure I can I mean with a QB that when his passing game is taken away from him can easily rush for over 200 yards with ease. I mean dam I am almost ready to drop money on Texas to win by oh lets say 16 in Vegas. Hell I could be rich after this game! :D

[Pro Trash]

Once again I have to go into this because you can't seem to accept the similarities between Texas in 2003 and VT in 2005. Here we go both teams at seasons end hover in the top 8 . At the very end of 2003 Texas was ranked 5th in the Nation for it's last regular season game and went to the bowl game ranked as such and lost 28 to 20 to then ranked number 14 Wash St. So at the end of the season Texas had played 4 top 25 ranked teams, at the very end of the season those teams were ranked Kansas St(10th), Nebraska(21st) OSU(22nd) and OU (3rd on 6 Dec when they played their last regular season game). Texas was defeated by OU ranked 3rd and Arkansas who was unranked all year. Now this year at this time VA Tech has played 4 top 25 ranked teams,WVU(14th) GT(23rd),BC(25th) and Miami (3rd in the AP or 4th in the Coach or BCS), they soundly defeated those three opponents and lost by twenty to 1 team who is at the very end of the season is ranked very high just like 3rd place OU in 2003. The big difference is Texas lost to a unranked and took a 52 point loss to a 3rd ranked OU. All this is as of the very last games of each perspective teams schedule 2003 vs Texas or current 2005 standing as of today vs VT. Is this all clear to you? 2003 Texas beat #s 10,21, 22 and lost two games one NR and one to the # 3 and was ranked 5th. This year VT beat #s 23rd,25th, 14th and took a loss to the #4 and never lost to an unranked opponent and is currently ranked 6th in the BCS and 8th in the other two polls.

So what skins on the wall are you speaking of? They seem to have hung identical skins. Also it seems taking a loss by 20 to the number 4 team at seasons end and having only that one loss then being ranked 6th versus taking a 52 point loss to the #3 team and a loss to a nonranked opponent then being ranked 5th at season end may mean Texas was then overrated if you now consider VT overrated, don't you think? Those two season are so close in games versus ranking played it is easy to see the comparison, I understand if you don't want to!

You have no leg to stand on for it is your very team that this standard is based off of at seasons end and all stats mentioned are either from the last game of each team in 2003 or the stats of each team on VTs schedule at this very moment.

Is this where I insert crickets chirping?

[exlude]

Is this where I insert crickets chirping?

No, remember, the crickets came in after you called for VT to win over Miami in that other thread.

[Pro Trash]

No, remember, the crickets came in after you called for VT to win over Miami in that other thread.

Well I am still here and have proven why VT is not overrated. If you base this season off seasons past then they set right where they should. This of course could be incorrect but only if your team has been overrated in recent years? Pick your poison!

[Boss Hogg]

Every team has been overrated at some point in a previous year.

The only constant is that Virginia Tech & Marcus Vick sucked last week.

[Pro Trash]

Every team has been overrated at some point in a previous year.

The only constant is that Virginia Tech & Marcus Vick sucked last week.

So they are rated between #6 and #8 because they had one bad game. This means they are where they should be if we look at the entire season and also take into account how voting in the past has placed teams. Hence the Texas must have really sucked in 2003 against #3 OU you lost by 52 and lost to unranked Arkansas and beat three top 25 ranked teams. VT has won every game but one taking a 20 point loss to the #4 ranked team and has beaten three top 25 teams and is ranked accordingly when the past voting system is taken into account. I know it sucks that UT is being used as the test dummy but the 2003 UT season is almost identical to the 2005 VT season, accept for a 32 point difference in the loss and taken a hit from an unranked, VT hasn't come close to that. Good luck with trying to defend your position on that one. It is your very team this standard is based from and they ended up ranked top 5 at Bowl time. If this is all to much for you I understand.

[Boss Hogg]

So they are rated between #6 and #8 because they had one bad game. This means they are where they should be if we look at the entire season and also take into account how voting in the past has placed teams. Hence the Texas must have really sucked in 2003 against #3 OU you lost by 52 and lost to unranked Arkansas and beat three top 25 ranked teams. VT has won every game but one taking a 20 point loss to the #4 ranked team and has beaten three top 25 teams and is ranked accordingly when the past voting system is taken into account. I know it sucks that UT is being used as the test dummy but the 2003 UT season is almost identical to the 2005 VT season, accept for a 32 point difference in the loss and taken a hit from an unranked, VT hasn't come close to that. Good luck with trying to defend your position on that one.
Why would I need good luck in defending a position that you wrote? :confused: Your debate skills are terrible.

It is your very team this standard is based from and they ended up ranked top 5 at Bowl time. If this is all to much for you I understand.
So your basis that Virginia Tech is properly ranked is because Texas was ranked #5 in the country 2 months after the OU loss in 2003? That's an odd comparison since you are comparing Texas' bowl time ranking to VTs ranking immediately after a loss.

At a minimum, why aren't you comparing the number of spots Texas dropped immediately after the losses to Ark and OU?

[Pro Trash]

Why would I need good luck in defending a position that you wrote? :confused: Your debate skills are terrible.


So your basis that Virginia Tech is properly ranked is because Texas was ranked #5 in the country 2 months after the OU loss in 2003? That's an odd comparison since you are comparing Texas' bowl time ranking to VTs ranking immediately after a loss.

At a minimum, why aren't you comparing the number of spots Texas dropped immediately after the losses to Ark and OU?

This feels like I am watching a cat slide down a wet piece of inverted slate, you're reaching but your claws are simply scratching the surface. The 2003 Texas team had lost two games by mid season they only had played against 2 ranked opponents. The week prior to the big loss to OU you had beaten 10th ranked Kansas St in a 4th quarter come from behind victory by only 4 points, not really a blow out. The other two ranked teams lay ahead to be tested. After those tests Texas was given a top 5 seed. Now fast forward to 2005, VT havs already played the same amount of ranked teams and almost same rankings. They have proven that the 25th, 24th and 15th ranked teams can't contend with VT, they also have only lost one game to the #4 team in the Nation. They have only lost by 20 not by 52 they have not lost to an unranked so now we have compared "those" numbers and traveled past all ranked teams played in each of the seasons of 2003 and 2005. Texas was ranked 5th and essentially deserved to be there and Tech is between 6th and 8th and currently deserves to be there. If this is all to much for you I understand.

[Boss Hogg]

This feels like I am watching a cat slide down a wet piece of inverted slate, you're reaching but your claws are simply scratching the surface. No, this feels like I'm watching a homeless man babbling on the corner. You're out of touch with reality. You wrote the position that Texas' bowl game ranking justifies VT's current ranking and then challenged me to defend your own position.

The 2003 Texas team had lost two games by mid season they only had played against 2 ranked opponents. The week prior to the big loss to OU you had beaten 10th ranked Kansas St in a 4th quarter come from behind victory by only 4 points, not really a blow out. The other two ranked teams lay ahead to be tested. After those tests Texas was given a top 5 seed.
Yes, TWO MONTHS after those tests, Texas worked itself back to the #5 spot. :rolleyes: How many spots did they drop immediately after each of the 2003 losses, Quincy?

[Pro Trash]

No, this feels like I'm watching a homeless man babbling on the corner. You're out of touch with reality. You wrote the position that Texas' bowl game ranking justifies VT's current ranking and then challenged me to defend your own position.


Yes, TWO MONTHS after those tests, Texas worked itself back to the #5 spot. :rolleyes: How many spots did they drop immediately after each of the 2003 losses, Quincy?

If anyone on here is babbling it is you. We are at seasons end the comparison is very easy to make. I can't help it if you are not compitent enough to apply a given standard from the past to the standard today. Tech has proven themselves to be a top 10 ranked team this year period and aren't overrated as you stated. It matters not how you try to bend this, the 2003 season for Texas is almost identical to the 2005 VT schedule in rankings of teams played. There are a few differences so either Texas was way over ranked at the end of 2003 and VT is over overrated now or things are how they should be. This is fun though, your debate skills suck, the position you were asked to defend was your original statement not mine, here ya go! You said:

"Every team has been overrated at some point in a previous year.

The only constant is that Virginia Tech & Marcus Vick sucked last week"

I ask that you defend your position and show some reason why VT is overrated? I have shown where your team in the past after having played the same essential number of ranked opponents and taking two losses (one huge) was ranked about the same at the end of the season. I grasp the fact you can't come up with anything more than the 2nd grade repsonse of nu-un, LOL. Give a break you are coming off as weak and can't defend your very own quote :rolleyes: . Have a great day ! :D

[HookEm]

Good God man....how hard is it?

First of all, Texas did not lose to #3 OU....they finished #1. Barring some kind of catastrophic meltdown, Miami has no shot of being #1. Plus, they'll prob lose a game with the way their scizophrenic team plays.

Again, for the umpteenth time:

Va Tech has no quality wins. They have beaten NO ONE in the Top 15. Their crowning achievment was a blowout loss to Miami, where Miami called the dogs off EARLY. If your moment in the sun, as a team, comes from a blowout loss, you have problems.

[Boss Hogg]

If anyone on here is babbling it is you. We are at seasons end the comparison is very easy to make.
You are comparing the rankings TWO MONTHS after a team lost in week 6 to another teams ranking immediately after a loss. Texas dropped 9 spots after the OU loss to #20. And worked it's way into the #5 spot after a bunch of other teams ahead of them lost.

I can't help it if you are not compitent enough to apply a given standard from the past to the standard today.
This one is a keeper! You can't even spell "competent". :rolleyes: Are you really a teacher?

This is fun though, your debate skills suck, the position you were asked to defend was your original statement not mine, here ya go! You said:

"Every team has been overrated at some point in a previous year.
If you disagree with my statement, then tell me which college has never had a team that has been overrated.

I ask that you defend your position and show some reason why VT is overrated?
You see, this is why I'm laughing at you. I didn't say VT was overrated in that quote. Read it again, slowly.
Every team has been overrated at some point in a previous year.
The only constant is that Virginia Tech & Marcus Vick sucked last week.

I grasp the fact you can't come up with anything more than the 2nd grade repsonse of nu-un, LOL. Give a break you are coming off as weak and can't defend your very own quote :rolleyes: . Have a great day ! :D
I'm not sure you would understand even if I dumb'd my posts down to a 2nd grade response.

[yellowcobra]

10-27-2005, 06:34 PM #36 oh, I said it! :D
yellowcobra
Punk Ass Newbie




Join Date: Oct 2005
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Posts: 34 VT is maybe @ best 10-15 in the nation. They have an awesome D , USC and Texas are the real deal. It would probably be a shoot out, if or when they meet on the 4th of January? Don't let my punk A** newbie status scare you off!

[Pro Trash]

Good God man....how hard is it?

First of all, Texas did not lose to #3 OU....they finished #1. Barring some kind of catastrophic meltdown, Miami has no shot of being #1. Plus, they'll prob lose a game with the way their scizophrenic team plays.

Again, for the umpteenth time:

Va Tech has no quality wins. They have beaten NO ONE in the Top 15. Their crowning achievment was a blowout loss to Miami, where Miami called the dogs off EARLY. If your moment in the sun, as a team, comes from a blowout loss, you have problems.

Well I guess a 52 point loss is nuclear fucking winter then according to your standard. I also am calling bullshit on your OU number 1 claim. USC was #1 and LSU was #2 and ended up sharing the title because LSU beat OU and USC beat Michigan. Hookem you are the one who corrected me on my stats so I went back and found the ranking of every team Texas played in 2003 as of their last regular season game thus cementing their end of season ranking. Don't try changing the standard now big guy. I am 100% correct in that Texas was ranked #5 in the nation in 2003 at their last regular season game against A&M. OU went into it's last two non bowl games ranked 3rd in the nation against T-Tech they won then in the Big 12 championship Kansas St and lost. Texas at seasons end had played the #3 team OU (lost that game) and three other top 25 teams of the same quality schedule as VT has played this year. The big difference is you guys lost to a Non ranked and took a 52 point ass whooping and after all that ended up ranked 5th. Now flash forward to 2005 VT has played and beaten 3 top 25 ranked teams, has not taken a loss to an unranked and did not get blown off the continent by 52 points and is now ranked somewhere between 6th and 8th. So how in the hell can't you grasp the concept of how the teams are ranked year after year when your own team is the standard of measure. You have been measured, you have been wieghed and you have been founding wanting. Show me the stats, go onto ESPN and look at the last games for both T-Tech and K-State OU was #3 stop making up shit. :D

[Pro Trash]

You are comparing the rankings TWO MONTHS after a team lost in week 6 to another teams ranking immediately after a loss. Texas dropped 9 spots after the OU loss to #20. And worked it's way into the #5 spot after a bunch of other teams ahead of them lost.


This one is a keeper! You can't even spell "competent". :rolleyes: Are you really a teacher?


If you disagree with my statement, then tell me which college has never had a team that has been overrated.


You see, this is why I'm laughing at you. I didn't say VT was overrated in that quote. Read it again, slowly.



I'm not sure you would understand even if I dumb'd my posts down to a 2nd grade response.

Once again after both teams have played and defeated three top 25s and lost to one top 5 they seem pretty close. I didn't say shit about Texas dropping just after each loss. Take a look at the big picture, each team that is Texas 2003 and VT 2005 have three ranked wins under there respective belts, Texas had a tad more quality in those three games, Tech lost by 20 to a top 5 team where as Texas lost by 52 to a top 5 team and was beaten by a non-ranked. After all that VT and Texas still reside in the top 10 and deservingly so. When Texas dropped out of the top 5 they had not yet played the last two ranked teams, VT has already played those teams and that is why they did not fall to far and the fact Miami is better than originally believed. Is there anything else you need to conclude that the 2003 Texas schedule/ranking and the 2005 VT schedule/ranking are so similar it is simple to see how the votes go the way they do?

[Boss Hogg]

I disagree with the comparison, however even if I agreed it would still prove VT is overrated since Texas' #5 ranking was overrated.

[Pro Trash]

I disagree with the comparison, however even if I agreed it would still prove VT is overrated since Texas' #5 ranking was overrated.

I agree Texas has been a little overrated and this years schedule with todays losses are making UT's schedule look a little softer than once believed.

[SVTVenom]

I agree Texas has been a little overrated and this years schedule with todays losses are making UT's schedule look a little softer than once believed.

Either way, Texas is still #2 in the BCS, is undefeated, and loved by the BCS computers. Get over it and accept that A&M sucks and Va. Tech lost to Miami in a bad way.

[Pro Trash]

Either way, Texas is still #2 in the BCS, is undefeated, and loved by the BCS computers. Get over it and accept that A&M sucks and Va. Tech lost to Miami in a bad way.

As soon as you admit Texas is going to take an ass whooping at least once this football season, I think USC is going to handle UT, LOL.

[SVTVenom]

As soon as you admit Texas is going to take an ass whooping at least once this football season, I think USC is going to handle UT, LOL.

Will the Texas/USC game be a good one? Yes.

Will Texas lose this season? Not a chance.

You must really like eating crow because you've done a ton of it this season. Keep on picking losers.

If you are so confident that Texas will lose one, why not make a Avatar bet for the next game they play with your beloved Aggies?

[HookEm]

Thank God.....buy your tickets for Pasedena...PT just cursed aggy and CU, as well as USC!

As soon as you admit Texas is going to take an ass whooping at least once this football season, I think USC is going to handle UT, LOL.

[Boss Hogg]

I agree Texas has been a little overrated and this years schedule with todays losses are making UT's schedule look a little softer than once believed.
Reading is fundamental. I was talking using Texas' 2003 ranking as justification for VT's ranking. The clue would be "#5 ranking".

As soon as you admit Texas is going to take an ass whooping at least once this football season, I think USC is going to handle UT, LOL.
Thank you!

[Pro Trash]

Will the Texas/USC game be a good one? Yes.

Will Texas lose this season? Not a chance.

You must really like eating crow because you've done a ton of it this season. Keep on picking losers.

If you are so confident that Texas will lose one, why not make a Avatar bet for the next game they play with your beloved Aggies?

Nope I am actually betting on Texas to win, it seems any time I pull for a team in a big game they take a loss. So come the Rose Bowl I am waving a Burnt Orange Towel and hollering go Vince, LOL. I have somehow become the fucking Anti-Christ of college football this season and now I am pulling for the Horns!

[HookEm]

it doenst work, because it only affects the team you actually want to win...and youre full fo it, anyway. youre no more rooting for the horns, than W is rooting for the insurgents.

Nope I am actually betting on Texas to win, it seems any time I pull for a team in a big game they take a loss. So come the Rose Bowl I am waving a Burnt Orange Towel and hollering go Vince, LOL. I have somehow become the fucking Anti-Christ of college football this season and now I am pulling for the Horns!

[Boss Hogg]

I disagree with the comparison, however even if I agreed it would still prove VT is overrated since Texas' #5 ranking was overrated.
It was at this point that PT realized the error in his error filled rationalization :D .

[Boss Hogg]

Losing to unranked Fl. State proves VT was overrated.

Poor Pro Trash. :( After yesterday, I hope he is OK.

[TRAXX]

LMAO! This College season has rocked in so many ways....There’s an number of predictions and guarantees by the haters that we need to bring to the top :cool:

David has a good start, but I know there are more...especially from earlier in the season.

[SVTVenom]

The funniest part about that FSU/VT game was when Vick ran in for a TD, jumped up and spiked the ball, and then tweaked his ankle when he landed. Congrats, you pulled a Martin Grammatica!

[Nate]

The funniest part about that FSU/VT game was when Vick ran in for a TD, jumped up and spiked the ball, and then tweaked his ankle when he landed. Congrats, you pulled a Martin Grammatica!
it was the other one, bill.

[slow99]

it was the other one, bill.

you're both right...or wrong, it was BOTH of them