Suicide Question

[venomviper69]

This question is for some of the guys that post alot on the Bible and are pretty knowledgable about it. I think of myself as having a pretty good life. I am 20, have a good job, drive a bmw, have a steady girlfriend of 3 years and graduate in august with a BA in criminal justice. I think everything is going good yet i still have alot of depression issues. I think alot of them come from the fact that i am overweight. I am 5'11, about 240 and no matter what anyone tells me about how i look i always percieve it as negative. I think of my self as some fatass and i dunno am kinda like a girl in that aspect. I worry about how i look in certain clothes and stupid stuff like that. I think alot of it comes from me being very overweight as a kid and always getting made fun of. I have honestly comtemplated sucide many times but never attempted it. I am not sure how serious i am about it even to myself but i dont think that on a bad day when everything is going the wrong way that it would be out of the question. I jsut feel sometimes like ntohing is going good yet i think everything is fine. I feel that if you arent happy with yourself how can anything else matter? maybe this is just one big sob story and no one really cares and just thinks well get your fatass up and lose weight. Well anyone who has tryed before will tell you that its not that easy. Despite everyhting i have gone through i still lack motivation in doing something. Basically waht this is all summing up to is i want to know if one day it gets to bad does someone who kills themselves have no chance in heaven? i just recently began to really believe and had alot of my questions answered. I jsut dont want to leave this world due to depression and problems here only to have my eternity spent in hell. The whole reason i would leave this earth would be achieve happiness and leave all the hurt. I dont know how else to explain how i feel but depending on you guys answers would really impact my decison making. Thanks for all the help and god bless.

[KJ94GT]

I won't start thumping the bible, but you shouldn't put so much importance on your appearance to strangers. Find happiness within yourself and nothing else will matter. Suicide is the sissy way out of a bad situation. It's for people who are too weak to deal with whatever it is they're dealing with. Toughen up and hang around awhile. Life does get better, and you don't have to spend the rest of your's in a gym or starving yourself. Being overweight is certainly no reason to contemplate suicide man.

[venomviper69]

I appreciate the response. I dont know what it is and i have my moments of feeling great and then other times like tonight where im just like what am i doing and what am i good for. I keep telling myself that i need to just appreciate the fact that i have a girlfriend that loves me and tells me all the time that she loves me for who i am but i just cant absorb that and say screw anyone who has a problem with how i look. I dont know what it is but it is just etched in my brain that i have to have a positive look for myself all the time and if i dont then im worthless. I think i need to continue to find salvation and find a good church around my area. I am not really sure where to look for one or even what donomanation would be right for me. I enjoy listening to joel osteen and his sermons really are a postive sometimes. Thanks for allowing me to vent and listening.

[Futurama]

suicide will not void salvation, but chances are, if you commit suicide, you havent really recieved salvation and you just think you have fire insurance.

[venomviper69]

when can someone really know and have salvation? what does that require? being a good person, going to church and being confirmed? thanks

[SVT Lurch]

As a Christian, I believe that you must truly believe that Jesus really did die for our sins and though unworthy, we are completely absolved. Being a good person and going to church are just byproducts, I figure after what He's done for me, trying to do the right thing and going to His house to worship Him once a week is the least I can do.

[DFWminis]

I have gone through what you are going through ...no with weight but other issues... If you are truely serious about wanting to loss wait join a group.. it is easier to get that "motivation" if you have others around you supporting your cause makes it easier... Church is a great place to find that motivation within yourself... if you are not a church guy get in a weight lose program you should be able to afford it mister bmw ;p .... also get your girl to be active in it that way she can be along for your journey and in doing so bring you two closer together.....Best of Luck man I know the pains of depression all to well.....

[talisman]

Shit man. 3 years ago I weighed 260. I reduced the portions I ate at meals, as well as the fat, and within a year or so I had dropped almost 70 pounds. If you want to lose weight, just try a few things. It's not going to happen all in a week. You've got to be pateint and stick with it. Its CERTAINLY a lousy excuse for offing yourself. If you can afford a Beemer, hell, get lipo if its bothering you that much.

[KickerStang]

I am in the same situation as you as far as the weight and the depression. I am depressed because I am separated from my wife. When it first happened I thought about suicide seriously, but then the same questions came up in my own mind. My answer to myself was this...

If you truly believe in Christ you would not kill yourself because by doing that you are saying you have no faith in Him that he will deliver you from whatever it is you believe is so bad in life that you want to end yourself. If you have no faith in Him, then you will not be saved. That may be wrong, but it helped deter me from those thoughts. Sure, I would like to think God would be compassionate and still allow me to enter into heaven, but what if I was wrong and he sent me to hell for not having faith.

When I was having those feelings I immediately went to my church and talked to a pastor or something. Anyone will do. You just need to talk with someone and pray. If you dont feel comfortable in going to your own church I would reccommend my church...

Farmer's Branch Church of Christ off Webb Chapel and Valley View Lane. Good luck...

[Pro Trash]

This question is for some of the guys that post alot on the Bible and are pretty knowledgable about it. I think of myself as having a pretty good life. I am 20, have a good job, drive a bmw, have a steady girlfriend of 3 years and graduate in august with a BA in criminal justice. I think everything is going good yet i still have alot of depression issues. I think alot of them come from the fact that i am overweight. I am 5'11, about 240 and no matter what anyone tells me about how i look i always percieve it as negative. I think of my self as some fatass and i dunno am kinda like a girl in that aspect. I worry about how i look in certain clothes and stupid stuff like that. I think alot of it comes from me being very overweight as a kid and always getting made fun of. I have honestly comtemplated sucide many times but never attempted it. I am not sure how serious i am about it even to myself but i dont think that on a bad day when everything is going the wrong way that it would be out of the question. I jsut feel sometimes like ntohing is going good yet i think everything is fine. I feel that if you arent happy with yourself how can anything else matter? maybe this is just one big sob story and no one really cares and just thinks well get your fatass up and lose weight. Well anyone who has tryed before will tell you that its not that easy. Despite everyhting i have gone through i still lack motivation in doing something. Basically waht this is all summing up to is i want to know if one day it gets to bad does someone who kills themselves have no chance in heaven? i just recently began to really believe and had alot of my questions answered. I jsut dont want to leave this world due to depression and problems here only to have my eternity spent in hell. The whole reason i would leave this earth would be achieve happiness and leave all the hurt. I dont know how else to explain how i feel but depending on you guys answers would really impact my decison making. Thanks for all the help and god bless.

This is funny for I am 33, 5'11", 210 lbs and constantly worry about how I look in clothing also. I have had bouts with depression and thought about what happens if one commits suicide. The one thing I have always believed according to my faith is that suicide is a one way ticket to lake of fire land. I also taken a look at my life and realized that only a few things need to be understood to totally wipe the thought of ever commiting suicide from my mind. The number one thing is that the act is very selfish and will impact your loved ones in very negative ways for years to come and possibly cause them to blame themselves for not be able to deter this. Number 2 is it may open door to others close to you doing the same thing believing if you found it to be a way out they may follow. Number 3 is I am not ever going to be weak enough to drop that low and do such a thing to myself. I was all the way up to 225 and looking rather chubby after spending my entire life until my 30's 185 lbs or less. I now eat smart, lots of protien, stay away from whole milk, bread and such. I eat wraps when I go to subway, try to eat more fish, stay away from McDonalds and such. If you'd like PM me and we'll work on a plan to make you feel better. Remember God smiles on us all and we are all his children, he would be crushed if you ever hurt yourself.

[venomviper69]

wow thanks everyone for the responses. I never knew just how many people felt the same way. I thought all this time i was alone and that everyone was living picture perfect lives but i guess alot try to hide it like i do. I am definitly going to try and reach out to a local church and attempt to get through my superficial problems. Thanks again everyone, you have really helped.

[03GTGUY]

I wouldnt consider myself a religious person....by any means.....but you should be thankful for what you do have....not what you dont have. You said it man....you have the job, the car, a girl.......some people in this world would kill to switch shoes with you. Think of how many people dont have jobs....or walk to the crappy ones they do have.....or the guys that will die lonely old men. No one will ever have it ALL...there will always be "want" for something......thats just human nature. Take for instance....a good buddy of mine is basicly a loser. He drinks and smokes all the time. Can't hold a job for more than a few months, and cheats on his fiancee all the time. He's expecting a baby. Myself.....24, good looking, great job, nice car......cant get the one thing ive always wanted.....a family.....but instead of dwelling on it...I give thanks for being a single sucessful guy every day. Likewise....he wishes he was in my shoes....single, had money, nice car, and so on. Dunno if that helps but hope my 2 cents is worth alittle more to ya.

[ceyko]

Bah, it is not girly to be concerned about appearance. Now, if you were concerned about your lipstick...

Anyway, I was a bummed dude losing 70 pounds...frankly, when your fat you want to be skinny...once you get skinny...you want to buff up a little.

The key is to lose your weight doing fun things as possible. I'm lucky...I like to run. Humping your chick a lot, for long periods of time is a good start...watch your diet.

Frankly, you'd probably burn in hell and still be chunky if you killed yourself. Better to live and have the challenge, then be dead and not be able to control anything.

Take care,

[TexasDevilDog]

I saw Michael J Fox on bravo the other night. He has Parkinson's disease. He say that he isn't depressed and was reminded of this story.

(paraphrasing) Many people got together with god complaining about their problems. God took away each and every problem from all the people and placed them in a pile, but then god told everyone they had to select a set of problems before they left. After looking at everyone problems, everyone selected their own problems back.


That story reminded me of a wonderful lady that recently died. Her name was Pat McCain. Pat was diagnosed with MS in 1969. The prognoses for most people with MS is about 10-15 years. MS takes away the ability to control your muscles, until the person ends unable to move at all.

Pat never sat around feeling sorry for her self. It didn't matter when I showed up at the nursing home, she would always try to make me smile. And there was nothing I could do to improve her attitude because she was so up beat.

I knew Pat the last 3 years, while she lived in a nursing home, which she had been there for over 10 years. She was only able to move her head. She had a wheel chair that she could control by blowing in a tube.

I heard that she would be on the go, up and down the halls to talk to the other people that lived there. She always carried a copy of the bible, even though she couldn't physically hold it. She spread the gospel to the people there and lead bible study weekly. She ministered and encouraged people even with her problems.

Pat gave so much encouragement despite her situation that all my problem seem so trivial compared to what she had been through in her live. I am glad that I knew her.

[TexasDevilDog]

when can someone really know and have salvation? what does that require? being a good person, going to church and being confirmed? thanks

There is nothing you can do to earn salvation.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us. --Titus 3:5


Romans 3:22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

Jesus, god the son, came to earth, in an act of humility, in part as his creation, to be a pure and perfect sacrifice. Sin keeps us apart from god and sins must be made right through sacrifice. Jesus was the recipient of all God's wrath for the sins of man, past, present, future.

We are saved by grace, and by grace alone (Rom. 3:24). We can do nothing to earn it. Our redemption is a gift from God. Our part is to acknowledge our sinfulness and inability to save ourselves. We must place our trust in Jesus, believing that He died on the cross for our sins.

God has provided salvation for you--that's His part. Receiving it by faith--that's yours.

[TexasDevilDog]

After reading the whole thing, I think that there are too many of us that are sitting on our butts typing on the computer.

<----5'10" 210 lbs

We need to have a get together. :)

[gonzo]

when can someone really know and have salvation? what does that require? being a good person, going to church and being confirmed? thanks

i'll quote the scripture tatooed on my arm John 14:6 "Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man come unto the Father but by me"


basically what it means is if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, as well as being water baptized, then you should be alright.


my wife did some extensive research into the Bible and says there isnt a direct reference to suicide....so maybe there wasnt an issue then

[SC457A]

I am not trying to steal a thread by this, but its along the same lines.

On Memorial day this year, my Dad shot himself. He found out less than a month earlier, he had advanced cancer in his throat. He could not drink, eat anything even close to solid foods. He also watched his own father and mother suffer through cancer and respitory (sp) failure, so im sure he did not want to do it himself.

My question is, What does the Bible say about that? I am concerned for his soul I guess basically.

ps. damn I miss him.

[TexasDevilDog]

Sorry to hear about your dad.

Jesus said this;

Matthew 12:30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

When Jesus forgives someone, He forgives all their sins and gives them eternal life and they shall never perish (John 10:28). He does not give them temporary eternal life -- otherwise, it would not be eternal.

I think of God's love for us, as akin to a parent's love for their child. If a parent has a very valuable vase and the child broken it, even though the parent told the child not to play with it, the parent (normal) would not destroy or kill their child. They would be upset and angry.

[Pro Trash]

After reading the whole thing, I think that there are too many of us that are sitting on our butts typing on the computer.

<----5'10" 210 lbs

We need to have a get together. :)

That is a great idea!

[KickerStang]

I would not mind a fat ass support group. Kind of like weight watchers but without all the fat chicks...

[TexasDevilDog]

I think you two are closer together, than I am to you two. I'll be lazy, maybe start one next year in Fort Worth. ;) :D

[Stangster321]

God Bless...Relax, Life is to short. :)

[lowthreeohz]

not to be rude...


but suicide is just plain chickenshit. Who cares what "god" thinks.. you'll know that you were a pussy if you did it.

[TexasDevilDog]

not to be rude...


but suicide is just plain chickenshit. Who cares what "god" thinks.. you'll know that you were a pussy if you did it.

I think it would take a bunch of guts. I would be worried that I would screwed it up and end up paralysed or in a semi-veggie state. Then I could end up in a nursing house where some orderly wants a free bj from the veggies at night. *willies* from thinking about it.

[lowthreeohz]

It takes guts for a split second to grab the trigger.. it takes guts for years to live it out and see where life takes ya.

[Casper]

not to be rude...


but suicide is just plain chickenshit. Who cares what "god" thinks.. you'll know that you were a pussy if you did it.

Well you won't know for long...

[mustangguy289]

when can someone really know and have salvation? what does that require? being a good person, going to church and being confirmed? thanks


" For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only song, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16.

In my opinion that verse sums up what determins ur eternal life. What u mentioned are just different interpretations of the bible. A non-believer can do good works. Good works get u know where. But on the other hand i always think if a person really believes and puts their trust in them then they would want to do good works for others.

As far as your thoughts... pray to God about it tell him ur problems( im sure u alreayd have) It sounds like u got some good things... but i also have the thoughts u have about self appearance ... im 5'8 240...... was 175 in 6th grade. Was always made fun of in grade school. But i put my trust in him and he will get u thru anything.

I hope that helps

[mustangguy289]

It takes guts for a split second to grab the trigger.. it takes guts for years to live it out and see where life takes ya.
i know its hard to think about it...but to me pulling the trigger is cowardness and the easy way out

[justinsn95]

Shit man. 3 years ago I weighed 260. I reduced the portions I ate at meals, as well as the fat, and within a year or so I had dropped almost 70 pounds. If you want to lose weight, just try a few things. It's not going to happen all in a week. You've got to be pateint and stick with it. Its CERTAINLY a lousy excuse for offing yourself. If you can afford a Beemer, hell, get lipo if its bothering you that much.

ill agree with this. i think you should honestly consider educating yourself on and adopting the bodybuilding lifestyle. if your issues are truly rooted in what you say they are, then in a year of weight lifting with proper nutrition, proper form, and high intensity, these issues will dissapear completely. But you cant be lazy or unmotivated to not want to get in there and put yourself under intense physical strain. it wont be easy, but if you can stick it out for a year, you will likely never stop until you are to old to lift a weight. i wont lie to you like all the tv commercials. but if you take a pic before you ever start, and then after that year, i promise you will be like DAMN! course, this isnt for everyone. most cant hack it annd give up even though they could have made something. just one person's opinion here.