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poopnut2

11-02-2005, 04:21 PM

DarkWolf

11-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Jesus was black, or at the least, brown. He's depicted as white, most likely because early on, the church did not want to have his skin color being associated with that of Muslims, and white is symbolically "pure".

White trash wagon

11-02-2005, 06:01 PM

I know a black man who is a member of a church that teaches blacks were God's chosen people. So Jesus was black, as were all the apostles. In fact he claims that the people who are today known as "Jews" are imposters, and are actually "Edomites", and "stole" the identity as "God's chosen people" right after Jesus's death. He says the proper term for God's Chosen one's are Israelites, not
"Jews" or "Israelis".

He also points out that the Israelites were supposed to be the ministers of the world, and when they strayed, God punished them saying they would never have a homeland, would harvest crops they could not eat, live in lands of foreign tongues, etc(IE slavery).

It's safe to say that Jesus was not the fair skinned, light brown hair, almost efeminate looking person of popular depiction.

Scott

Hollywood

11-02-2005, 06:30 PM

I've never ask that question...but i've wondered.....would he wear a pinky ring...would he drive a fancy car...would his wife wear furs and diamonds, would his dressing room have a star...if he came back tomorrow...there's something i'd like to know, could you tell me would Jesus wear a rolex on his television show?

Hollywood

11-02-2005, 06:33 PM

Would Jesus be political if He came back to earth?
Have His second home in Palm Springs, yeah, a try to hide His worth?
Take money, from those poor folks, when He comes back again,
and admit He's talked to all them preachers who say they been a talkin' to Him?
Lord have mercy, Just ask ya' self, Would He wear a pinky ring,
Would He drive a fancy car?
Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressing room have a star?
If He came back tomorrow, well there's somethin' I'd like to know:
Could ya tell me, would Jesus wear a Rolex,
Would jesus wear a Rolex
Would Jesus wear a Rolex
On His television show-ooh-ooh?

90dfw

11-03-2005, 09:47 AM

No but Jesse Jackson would/will/does

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 10:36 AM

Jesus was from the middle east and would look like people of that area. :rolleyes:

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 10:38 AM

poopnut2

11-03-2005, 10:55 AM

Jesus was from the middle east and would look like people of that area. :rolleyes:

So he wouldn't be white? Why is he depicted as a white male? It's not just protestant churches either. The catholic church does the same thing. Thanks for providing an answer to the question. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SVT93Style

11-03-2005, 11:26 AM

Just a question. Why do christians perceive Jesus as a white male? If Jesus actually was white, then why? Is God racist? Did he put Jesus on Earth as a white guy to better fit in? If he was going to die anyways, why didn't he just set him down in some poor ass African tribe or in a teepee as an American Indian or somewhere in Asia as a ninja? Did Jesus only die for the white mans sins?

Jesus is definaltley not white, he was a Jew living in and around Palestine 2000 yrs ago. His skin whould have been darker then whats depicted by some. This is a very mute point though, the body was a vessel for was inside....it wouldn't mattered if he was yellow or purple or green.

He first and foremost came to bring salvation to the Jews, God's choosen people, then the Gentiles(which is me and you). He died for all on all corners of the globe.

poopnut2

11-03-2005, 12:39 PM

Jesus is definaltley not white, he was a Jew living in and around Palestine 2000 yrs ago. His skin whould have been darker then whats depicted by some. This is a very mute point though, the body was a vessel for was inside....it wouldn't mattered if he was yellow or purple or green.

He first and foremost came to bring salvation to the Jews, God's choosen people, then the Gentiles(which is me and you). He died for all on all corners of the globe.

All corners of the globe? Might want to re-think that. Also, it obviously does matter what color his skin is to the christian church. If it didn't, they would depict him as a dark skinned male.

DarkWolf

11-03-2005, 01:21 PM

How early on? When did the church do that?

I would imagine more than likely when Michealangelo was commissioned to paint the Sistine Chapel. Though it could've been earlier, there's really not much early christian artwork readily available to try and determine for sure.

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 02:27 PM

So he wouldn't be white?

My answer is the same as the original. Please referr above, if you forgot what I said.

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 02:47 PM

I would imagine more than likely when Michealangelo was commissioned to paint the Sistine Chapel. Though it could've been earlier, there's really not much early christian artwork readily available to try and determine for sure.

By looking at much of Michelangelo 's works, I see that all of his stuff appeared to be of people with a European look.

http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo.html

Could that he was just doing art of what he imaged it to be? Do you think the church told him to only do a painting of only white people to be judged on the final day? Why not paint in those pesky muslims, burning in fire?

http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo54.JPG

poopnut2

11-03-2005, 02:56 PM

My answer is the same as the original. Please referr above, if you forgot what I said.

Ok, why does the Church depict him as a white male?

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 03:41 PM

Ok, why does the Church depict him as a white male?

I don't know, why?

gonzo

11-03-2005, 04:24 PM

poopnut2

11-03-2005, 04:45 PM

I don't know, why?

I don't know. It's not a joke. I hope that's not what you think. :confused:

I mean, if the church doesn't want people to know that Jesus wasn't white, what else do they not want people to know?

SVT93Style

11-03-2005, 04:49 PM

Ok, why does the Church depict him as a white male?

The only church that gives an offical depiction of Christ is the Catholic Church aka...there Crucifix. I am looking at one right now...he looks more like a fair-skinned Jewish man to me.

SVT93Style

11-03-2005, 04:50 PM

Ok, why does the Church depict him as a white male?

Just curious what brought about this thread, and why you seem to have a fixation on the color of "his" skin?

poopnut2

11-03-2005, 04:58 PM

Just curious what brought about this thread, and why you seem to have a fixation on the color of "his" skin?

You used quotes. So you don't know if it was a he or she now? To answer your question though, why not? Look at every picture of Jesus and tell me that does not look like a white man. Just an FYI, fair skinned means white. ;)

DarkWolf

11-03-2005, 05:30 PM

By looking at much of Michelangelo 's works, I see that all of his stuff appeared to be of people with a European look.

http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo.html

Could that he was just doing art of what he imaged it to be? Do you think the church told him to only do a painting of only white people to be judged on the final day? Why not paint in those pesky muslims, burning in fire?

He was just doing art of what he imagined, and used his, I believe, brother as the model for Jesus.

The point is, the white anglo looking Jesus has been adopted as the official "look" of Jesus, whether it was at that point, or before I'm not entirely certain. My guess as to why it has been adopted as such, is because he doesn't look Muslim/Middle Eastern. Not hard to think this might be the case, considering the history between Christian's and Muslims.

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 05:34 PM

I don't know. It's not a joke. I hope that's not what you think. :confused:

I mean, if the church doesn't want people to know that Jesus wasn't white, what else do they not want people to know?

It doesn't matter to me that Jesus wasn't white. Does it matter to you, what color Jesus was?

SVT93Style

11-03-2005, 05:55 PM

You used quotes. So you don't know if it was a he or she now? To answer your question though, why not? Look at every picture of Jesus and tell me that does not look like a white man. Just an FYI, fair skinned means white. ;)

I used the quotes b/c I believe "he" was God.
Fair skinned doesn't mean white, white means white and fair skinned means fair skinned.

90dfw

11-03-2005, 08:21 PM

Geroge Bush doesn't care about Jesus!

TexasDevilDog

11-03-2005, 09:25 PM

Geroge Bush doesn't care about Jesus!

I was researching for another thread and found that Bush plagerized Jesus.

Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me" :D

Well, used him out of context.

ClockwrkOrangeS4

11-04-2005, 08:48 AM

Santa Claus is white too... coincedence? I think not

DarkWolf

11-04-2005, 08:58 AM

I used the quotes b/c I believe "he" was God.
Fair skinned doesn't mean white, white means white and fair skinned means fair skinned.

Um no, fair skinned = light skinned...

Main Entry: <sup>2</sup>white
Function: noun
5 : a person belonging to a light-skinned race

Of which Jesus most likely wasn't.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 09:05 AM

Santa Claus is white too... coincedence? I think not

Bush doesn't care about Santa Claus.

poopnut2

11-04-2005, 09:10 AM

It doesn't matter to me that Jesus wasn't white. Does it matter to you, what color Jesus was?

Considering I don't believe in Jesus the way christians do. No. Go to church and praise your cracker martyr.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 10:33 AM

Considering I don't believe in Jesus the way christians do. No. Go to church and praise your cracker martyr.

If you don't believe in Jesus, why would you be an art critic of works of Jesus? Or is your ridicule fueled by theophobia?

gonzo

11-04-2005, 12:06 PM

If you don't believe in Jesus, why would you be an art critic of works of Jesus? Or is your ridicule fueled by theophobia?

theophobia

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 12:26 PM

theophobia

Sadly, some people are afraid of religion, hear voices or even wear tin foil on their head. There are medicines, doctors and clinics to help people.

DarkWolf

11-04-2005, 12:30 PM

Considering I don't believe in Jesus the way christians do.

If you don't believe in Jesus,

You still haven't learned to read.

Or do you purposefully take things out of context, in a futile effort to make the other person (in this case, Poopnut2) look foolish? If so, you really should stop, as it only makes you look illiterate.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 12:32 PM

Not hard to think this might be the case, considering the history between Christian's and Muslims.

I have never hear or read anything to support your idea.
Do you have anybody else's work to agree on your hypothesis or are you going to rely on your faith?

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 12:34 PM

You still haven't learned to read.

Or do you purposefully take things out of context, in a futile effort to make the other person (in this case, Poopnut2) look foolish? If so, you really should stop, as it only makes you look illiterate.

Do tell what other way someone "believes" in Jesus?

hector lavoe

11-04-2005, 12:49 PM

Tell Mel Gibson.

DarkWolf

11-04-2005, 01:20 PM

I have never hear or read anything to support your idea.
Do you have anybody else's work to agree on your hypothesis or are you going to rely on your faith?

Do you have anybody else's work to disagree?

You (as a collective) say "it doesn't matter what color his skin was"... I say "then why not make him black?". If it doesn't matter... why does it matter?

DarkWolf

11-04-2005, 01:24 PM

Do tell what other way someone "believes" in Jesus?

You can believe Jesus was a good man, but not a savior. Plenty of Athiests do. You can believe Jesus was black, not white, and still accept him as your savior... yet you don't believe in him the way a majority of Christians do.

poopnut2

11-04-2005, 01:39 PM

Do tell what other way someone "believes" in Jesus?

My belief in Jesus. Jesus was a mere man. No more a son of God than you or I. I believe he died for what he believed was right. Not sent to earth, pre-destined to die for the sins of mankind.

This wasn't really a "Christian vs. Non-Christian" thread. This is a thread asking a legitimate question. One that you've belittled, providing no answer, or a simple "I don't know" without sarcastically asking me the question in an attempt to make it seem like I'm doing this to simply bash the Christian faith.

EDIT: I definately have no phobia of theology. Do you even know what theology is? It doesn't necessarily have to relate to religion, especially any particuliar religion. This forum is commonly mistaken for the "Christians only" forum. Which is sad.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 01:42 PM

Do you have anybody else's work to disagree?

You (as a collective) say "it doesn't matter what color his skin was"... I say "then why not make him black?". If it doesn't matter... why does it matter?

I am not trying to assert that the church did or didn't do any. You are making the assertion that the church did do something. If you can't come up with any other person to support your thesis, then you go ahead and live in your paranoid dilution of conspiracy. I can't make a rational argument against your imagination.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 01:44 PM

You can believe Jesus was a good man, but not a savior. Plenty of Athiests do. You can believe Jesus was black, not white, and still accept him as your savior... yet you don't believe in him the way a majority of Christians do.

Yea! Athiests for Jesus.

TexasDevilDog

11-04-2005, 02:16 PM

My belief in Jesus. Jesus was a mere man. No more a son of God than you or I. I believe he died for what he believed was right. Not sent to earth, pre-destined to die for the sins of mankind.

This wasn't really a "Christian vs. Non-Christian" thread. This is a thread asking a legitimate question. One that you've belittled, providing no answer, or a simple "I don't know" without sarcastically asking me the question in an attempt to make it seem like I'm doing this to simply bash the Christian faith.

EDIT: I definately have no phobia of theology. Do you even know what theology is? It doesn't necessarily have to relate to religion, especially any particuliar religion. This forum is commonly mistaken for the "Christians only" forum. Which is sad.

I believe ice cream is good. That doesn't mean that I believe in ice cream. Ice cream has no tenets, save for it being cool tasty treat. Saying that ice cream exists does not mean I believe in ice cream.

"I believe in America", means something totally different than saying, "I know of America".

How do you "believe in" Jesus? Do you study his teaching? Which you could without believing that he is god, muslims do.

You asked a question, fine. I answered it the only way I could. I don't know why, churches do what you asked. My church doesn't have a picture of Jesus or even a sculpture of him on the cross. Why are you asking? Curiosity or bomb throwing?

I never said you were afraid of theology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophobia
Theophobia - Fear of gods or religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theology
Theology:
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.
A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions: Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

BTW, this is a theology forum yes, a christian theology only forum, no. You were the one asking about something in christianity.

SVT93Style

11-04-2005, 04:36 PM

I was actually a St. Ann's Catholic Church and they actually had a picture of Christ as a Black Man.....I was also told, if you go to other places in the world, say for instance China...the crucifix would have a Christ that resembled a Chinese man...basically the point being Christ embodies all men depending on who's looking.

poopnut2

11-07-2005, 09:30 AM

I believe ice cream is good. That doesn't mean that I believe in ice cream. Ice cream has no tenets, save for it being cool tasty treat. Saying that ice cream exists does not mean I believe in ice cream.

"I believe in America", means something totally different than saying, "I know of America".

How do you "believe in" Jesus? Do you study his teaching? Which you could without believing that he is god, muslims do.

You asked a question, fine. I answered it the only way I could. I don't know why, churches do what you asked. My church doesn't have a picture of Jesus or even a sculpture of him on the cross. Why are you asking? Curiosity or bomb throwing?

I never said that I "know" that Jesus even existed. I do however "believe" that "if" there was a Jesus at all, that he was just a man. Not the son of God, or God himself.

You could say, "I believe that rock is gold." or "I know that rock is gold." Neither has more credibility than the other without actually proving that the rock in question is in fact gold.

EDIT: Yes, I asked about something to do with christianity. That doesn't mean that I was attacking christianity. I was asking "Why was this done by the christian church is it's not true?"

TexasDevilDog

11-07-2005, 02:01 PM

I believe in you too, then.

1BAD2K

11-08-2005, 07:44 PM

Jesus was from the middle east and would look like people of that area. :rolleyes:
i agree

Whitebread

11-20-2005, 08:44 PM

WTF does it matter, anyhow?? :confused:

The Pixie

11-20-2005, 08:50 PM

The way that I see it is that they didn't have cameras during Jesus' time so technically there's no way of knowing exactly what He looked like. We can only go by what has been found through documentations (i.e. stone tablets, the Bible, scrolls, or what-have-you). Everything reported thus far has depicted Jesus as a Jew. But I agree that it doesn't matter what the color of His skin was. Even if He was striped and had all the colors of the rainbow, I still follow His teachings.

poopnut2

11-21-2005, 04:17 PM

The Pixie

11-21-2005, 05:38 PM

I still giggle everytime you guys capitalize the "H". No offense.

Just the way I was brought up and the way I believe :D

We are all entitled to our own opinions... even if you are wrong :p j/k