So be it!!!

[shrp88lx's]

So Be It! THE LAW IS THE LAW

So if the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it.

And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or
on a government installation, then, so be it.

And since they already have prohibited any prayer in the schools, on which they deem their authority, then so be it.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions.

I would like to think that those people have the American Publics' best interests at heart.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?

Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot Post His Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe the Government and it's employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter.

After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter as well as Sundays. After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another day.

I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter.

It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct."


In fact....

I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....

What do you all think????

If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the minority opinions and begin, once again, to represent the 'majority' of ALL of the American people.

SO BE IT...........

Please Dear Lord, Give us the help needed to keep you in our country!

'Amen' and 'Amen'

Touche!

These are definitely things I never thought about but from now on, I will be sure to questions those, in government, who support these changes.

[talisman]

Yay for forwarded emails.

[shrp88lx's]

Yay for forwarded emails.
:rolleyes: Whaaa Whaaaa, do you need a crying towel??

[bpawl]

dont really give a shit about prayer in schools. The sunday/sat off thing was invented by Henry Ford (god bless his sole) to give his employees a break. It was just taken as the common practice by most, if not all factories back then and today. Your not off work on Sun to go to church (if you where it would be Wed. and Sun.). Government agencies are off on those holidays you mentioned not because of the day they are, just the fact that the rest of the world is off anyway, and things aren't worth coming in for. in reality, the government is saving tax dollars by not being there getting paid for nothing. The police, fire, and such are working those holidays, cause they are needed.

[talisman]

:rolleyes: Whaaa Whaaaa, do you need a crying towel??



Aren't you the one that started this thread crying about the Seperation of Church and State?

[shrp88lx's]

Aren't you the one that started this thread crying about the Seperation of Church and State?
If you interpreted that as crying maybe you should learn to read better. its simply if everyone wants this then lets be consistent. Consistency is proally a rough concept for you to grasp.

[poopnut2]

I don't worship God on Sundays so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[HUTCH]

lol @ this thread, I dont think it makes a difference for the seperation of church and state. Its whats in your heart that matters. (atleast thats what supposed to) What about all the other religions in the USA? You dont like it when they throw their beliefs in your face, what makes you think they like yours thrown in thier's?

[talisman]

If you interpreted that as crying maybe you should learn to read better. its simply if everyone wants this then lets be consistent. Consistency is proally a rough concept for you to grasp.



I wasn't crying either, so maybe you have a reading disability. You've certainly got a writing disability if you rely on forwarded emails to make your pathetic points for you. How do you like the consistancy of that?

[MoonDog]

Aren't you the one that started this thread crying about the Seperation of Church and State?
Can you explain this "seperation of church and state" that you speek of? I cant seem to find it in any of our government documents.

[White trash wagon]

The US constitution does not use the words "seperation of church & state", that is true. However the first amendment does say:

" Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So Congress cannot establish or show preferential treatment towards any religion. But if our government choses to be become a "faith based" government, an official state religion would have to be chosen. So if they choose to be Baptist, does that not constitute an establishment of a religion? (since all other faiths would be politically dead now). Note: establishment is defined as: "To ordain or appoint"

The Sixth article of the constitution states:

"No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
If you have the above mentioned official Baptist government,won't they want all members to be Baptist? That violates the Sixth article.

In late 1801, when Thomas Jefferson was our newly elected president, the Danbury Baptist Association wrote to him concerned that the constitution did not have adequate protection of freedom of religion, here is his answer:


"Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802."

Thomas Jefferson was the priniciple author of our constitution.

So I think there is merit to the concept of seperation of church and state in the US Government.

Scott

[talisman]

Looks like Scott sumed it up good enough for me.

[shrp88lx's]

Looks like Scott sumed it up good enough for me.
The you agree that to maintain the consistency govt office should NOT take off for religious holidays!! Cant figure out why you have to get all personal about something you agree with. But thats you from what I read.

[talisman]

The you agree that to maintain the consistency govt office should NOT take off for religious holidays!! Cant figure out why you have to get all personal about something you agree with. But thats you from what I read.



They're going to take the days off somewhere in the year. Might as well do it when all the other fruitloops want off so as not to disrupt the rest of the countries lives. I'm about as upset that they have Chirstmas off as I am that I, an atheist, have it off: Not at all.

[shrp88lx's]

They're going to take the days off somewhere in the year. Might as well do it when all the other fruitloops want off so as not to disrupt the rest of the countries lives. I'm about as upset that they have Chirstmas off as I am that I, an atheist, have it off: Not at all.
Apathy, what a great charateristic!!!

[talisman]

Apathy, what a great charateristic!!!


Better than being one of those people that jacks off to every forwarded email they get and immediatly posts it everywhere they go onliine in a day so everyone else can get sift through the same garbage not just in their mail, but on the boards as well.

[shrp88lx's]

Better than being one of those people that jacks off to every forwarded email they get and immediatly posts it everywhere they go onliine in a day so everyone else can get sift through the same garbage not just in their mail, but on the boards as well.
Posts it everywhere?, Please find it 1 other place..you cant so again youve proven yourself to be nothing but a trouble maker looking for some internet fight. that being said you dont have to read anything on the forum skip it, its your right, your in the theology forum and your an atheist..your only here to start trouble and your post show it.

[talisman]

Posts it everywhere?, Please find it 1 other place..you cant so again youve proven yourself to be nothing but a trouble maker looking for some internet fight. that being said you dont have to read anything on the forum skip it, its your right, your in the theology forum and your an atheist..your only here to start trouble and your post show it.



Thanks for making my point without me even having to respond. This is the THEOLOGY Forum, not the Christianity Forum. Atheism is a form of Theology. Isn't it?

[shrp88lx's]

Thanks for making my point without me even having to respond. This is the THEOLOGY Forum, not the Christianity Forum. Atheism is a form of Theology. Isn't it?
making your point? :rolleyes: and yet you still respond. maybe you forgot that skip a thread you dont want to read part instead of bashing someone just to start something part??? what a class act you are....................not!!

[talisman]

making your point? :rolleyes: and yet you still respond. maybe you forgot that skip a thread you dont want to read part instead of bashing someone just to start something part??? what a class act you are....................not!!



Of course I respond. This is an internet message board, in case you missed it when you registered a screen name. Party on, Garth!

[nailman]

" Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


In late 1801, when Thomas Jefferson was our newly elected president, the Danbury Baptist Association wrote to him concerned that the constitution did not have adequate protection of freedom of religion, here is his answer:


"Gentlemen

... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, ...]

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802."

Thomas Jefferson was the priniciple author of our constitution.

So I think there is merit to the concept of seperation of church and state in the US Government.

Scott

The "merit" is in defense of the free practice of religion (including Christianity - look at the closing statement!). So, government cannot restrict any religous practice either, like Christmas. [unless it is unlawful by another law such as murder, animal sacrifice, etc]

[DarkWolf]

The "merit" is in defense of the free practice of religion (including Christianity - look at the closing statement!). So, government cannot restrict any religous practice either, like Christmas. [unless it is unlawful by another law such as murder, animal sacrifice, etc]

Actually, Animal Sacrifice is not specifically unlawful. It may be subject to state anti-cruelty laws, but it in and of itself is not specifically prohibited in religious practice.

Not that I agree with it. Just keeping the facts straight.

[TexasDevilDog]

I think we can get rid of the "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" crap in the Declaration of Independence . We know that liberties are not immutable from god, but fancy whims from man. What man gives, man can take away.