Ruh-roh shaggy

[01WhiteCobra]

A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, forcing the House majority leader to temporarily relinquish his post.


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/28/D8CTCQ2OC.html

[mikeb]

oops.....

[Paladin]

If he is guilty, I say put his ass in jail. If he is being railroaded, which I am sure he will say, then that is wrong.

I will say it is good that Bush is President right now if you are him, I bet there will be a pardon in his future if he does get convicted. Thanks for setting the tone for that Mr. Clinton!

[The Punisher]

Im sure Dan Rather is back at work again... Probably just more forged documents... :rolleyes:
Even if he was gulity of the indictment, dems would personally see it to see he is removed while Sandy Mc Burger gets a pass from shredding documents before the 9-11 Commission could look at them and Hillary gets a pass on the investigation into her campaign finance scandle.

[line-em-up]

Im sure Dan Rather is back at work again... Probably just more forged documents... :rolleyes:
Even if he was gulity of the indictment, dems would personally see it to see he is removed while Sandy Mc Burger gets a pass from shredding documents before the 9-11 Commission could look at them and Hillary gets a pass on the investigation into her campaign finance scandle.

Wa Wa Wa :( :( :( Doin your best to deflect the criticism of him, are ya?

[46Tbird]

Im sure Dan Rather is back at work again... Probably just more forged documents... :rolleyes:
Even if he was gulity of the indictment, dems would personally see it to see he is removed while Sandy Mc Burger gets a pass from shredding documents before the 9-11 Commission could look at them and Hillary gets a pass on the investigation into her campaign finance scandle.Two (or three, four) wrongs don't make a right. If convicted, I say string him up. Make an example of his ass. And I bet $100 he'll be pardoned in GWB's last few hours in office. :rolleyes:

Line-em-up, shut the hell up...

[01WhiteCobra]

Im sure Dan Rather is back at work again... Probably just more forged documents... :rolleyes:
Even if he was gulity of the indictment, dems would personally see it to see he is removed while Sandy Mc Burger gets a pass from shredding documents before the 9-11 Commission could look at them and Hillary gets a pass on the investigation into her campaign finance scandle.

Ummm... grand jury in Houston, not CBS News in New York.

[line-em-up]

Line-em-up, shut the hell up...

But...I thought we were friends.. :(

[01WhiteCobra]

But...I thought we were friends.. :(

Just because he sticks his dick in your ass doesn't mean he likes you.

[46Tbird]

But...I thought we were friends.. :(
Only over the internet.

[line-em-up]

Only over the internet.

Cool..I'm happy with that. :)

[The Punisher]

Ummm... grand jury in Houston, not CBS News in New York.
Dan Rather part was a joke.
But was not the fasified docs on bush from tx?
so who cares if CBS is in New York?

[The Punisher]

Wa Wa Wa :( :( :( Doin your best to deflect the criticism of him, are ya?
same thing could be said about dems and hitlery clinton ;)

[01WhiteCobra]

Dan Rather part was a joke.
But was not the fasified docs on bush from tx?
so who cares if CBS is in New York?

Yea... a grand jury is just sucking all those falsified documents.

[The Punisher]

Yea... a grand jury is just sucking all those falsified documents.
if he is guilty of breaking the law, then so be it. I'll be waiting to see factual evidence in this case. But meanwhile, we'll keep giving dems a pass. ;)

[line-em-up]

same thing could be said about dems and hitlery clinton ;)

VERY true.

When I saw the picture of Cindy Sheehan being arrested, I think I know why she was smiling. It was probably because that was the first time in years that she has has a man's hand tough the inside of her thigh.

[Mattica]

Yea... a grand jury is just sucking all those falsified documents.

forgot to mention the DA's history of partisan indictments, he's been known for using his office to pursue an agenda....

aside from that Delay has documents proving all of the t's are crossed and i's are dotted. We'll just have to see how it pans out though.

This is Texas law and not federal law as well. If Hillary had been in TX I wonder if she'd have been called on it by the same DA. I'm guessing probably not.

[The Punisher]

read the indictment, there are no facts in it to link TD. Nor dose it state facts that the contrabutions were made by a corporation with in 60 days of a general texas election.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf
Its just an idictment, lets see the facts first

[The Punisher]

forgot to mention the DA's history of partisan indictments, he's been known for using his office to pursue an agenda....

aside from that Delay has documents proving all of the t's are crossed and i's are dotted. We'll just have to see how it pans out though.

This is Texas law and not federal law as well. If Hillary had been in TX I wonder if she'd have been called on it by the same DA. I'm guessing probably not.
Exactly, District Attorney Ronnie Earle tried to get Kay Bailey Hutchinson back in 1875, and he failed.
Read Here (http://texastexassalsa.com/kaybaileyhutchinson.htm)

[line-em-up]

Exactly, District Attorney Ronnie Earle tried to get Kay Bailey Hutchinson back in 1875, and he failed.
Read Here (http://texastexassalsa.com/kaybaileyhutchinson.htm)

Damn, she's old.

[Pro Trash]

If he is guilty, I say put his ass in jail. If he is being railroaded, which I am sure he will say, then that is wrong.

I will say it is good that Bush is President right now if you are him, I bet there will be a pardon in his future if he does get convicted. Thanks for setting the tone for that Mr. Clinton!

Not chance you could have replied to that without taking a poke at the Democratic Party is there? :D

[The Punisher]

another piece of evidence left out, tell me this isnt political!
Ronnie Earle gave a speech at a fundraiser for a brand-new Democratic PAC
1 link (http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/005493.html)

[Pro Trash]

If he is guilty, I say put his ass in jail. If he is being railroaded, which I am sure he will say, then that is wrong.

I will say it is good that Bush is President right now if you are him, I bet there will be a pardon in his future if he does get convicted. Thanks for setting the tone for that Mr. Clinton!

Also let's go back to 1974 and check the right wing pardons! I do recall President Ford issued a pardon to Richard Nixon for any and all crimes that he might have committed while President. Can you say Watergate? :D

[Pro Trash]

read the indictment, there are no facts in it to link TD. Nor dose it state facts that the contrabutions were made by a corporation with in 60 days of a general texas election.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf
Its just an idictment, lets see the facts first

I was just thinking you grammatical errors are just as heinous as mine, LOL.

[The Punisher]

I was just thinking you grammatical errors are just as heinous as mine, LOL.
lol, I know.. But im not going to correct you on yours b/c I make the same :D

[Pro Trash]

lol, I know.. But im not going to correct you on yours b/c I make the same :D

I'll accept that LOL.

[exlude]

Thanks for setting the tone for that Mr. Clinton!

Not much of a history buff, are ya?

[Pro Trash]

Not much of a history buff, are ya?

LOL I actually like something you posted, let's not make this a habit.

[01WhiteCobra]

Exactly, District Attorney Ronnie Earle tried to get Kay Bailey Hutchinson back in 1875, and he failed.
Read Here (http://texastexassalsa.com/kaybaileyhutchinson.htm)

Holy shit! Kay is really an old bag, eh?

Yea, its all partisan, its impossible for any republican to do wrong. Even Nixon was pardoned!

[01WhiteCobra]

forgot to mention the DA's history of partisan indictments, he's been known for using his office to pursue an agenda....

aside from that Delay has documents proving all of the t's are crossed and i's are dotted. We'll just have to see how it pans out though.

This is Texas law and not federal law as well. If Hillary had been in TX I wonder if she'd have been called on it by the same DA. I'm guessing probably not.


LOL. Yea, Delay dotted all those i's and crossed all those t's last year before the House ethics committee as well, huh?

I'm sure that 190K check was forged as well.

[Paladin]

Not chance you could have replied to that without taking a poke at the Democratic Party is there? :D

Nope, with all the weak shit that got pulled by the Clinton's and by other Dem's during "their" term, I would have to see Bush kill someone on live TV before I became a Democrat again.

Come talk to me after you have voted for a Republican, until then you are just a close minded Liberal like I used to be.

[Paladin]

Not much of a history buff, are ya?

Not really, but what little I do know about Presidential pardons was that Clinton made some that very few other Presidents would have ever made.

Feel free to school me on it.

[Paladin]

forgot to mention the DA's history of partisan indictments, he's been known for using his office to pursue an agenda....

aside from that Delay has documents proving all of the t's are crossed and i's are dotted. We'll just have to see how it pans out though.

This is Texas law and not federal law as well. If Hillary had been in TX I wonder if she'd have been called on it by the same DA. I'm guessing probably not.

If you can't get an indictment in Texas, you are not tryting very hard! I have seen innocent people railroaded when there was a political benefit to the DA who was presenting the case.

An indictment doesn't mean squat. Let's see a trial where Delay gets to defend the accusations against him.

[Pro Trash]

Nope, with all the weak shit that got pulled by the Clinton's and by other Dem's during "their" term, I would have to see Bush kill someone on live TV before I became a Democrat again.

Come talk to me after you have voted for a Republican, until then you are just a close minded Liberal like I used to be.

Any student of basic US politics understandsthe Watergate issue and the pardon given to Nixon. It has nothing to with being a dem or rep, you need to be able to admit when you are wrong.You got schooled in basic politics and now you are trying to back out and toss a smoke screen by screaming liberal :rolleyes: . Come on crotch even you have to recognize Clinton was not the first to toss out bogus pardons! If not continue on you journey of as the ignorant right winger, LOL.

[Vertnut]

Delay may have done wrong, but why did it take FIVE TRIPS TO THE GRAND JURY? Earle FINALLY found a group of folks that think there MIGHT be enough to prosecute. He'll "delay" it as long as he can, then the charges will be dropped. It's a VERY vague indictment...Of coure Reps do wrong, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but I feel this is just another waste of our money.

[fitzwell]

I will say it is good that Bush is President right now if you are him, I bet there will be a pardon in his future if he does get convicted. Thanks for setting the tone for that Mr. Clinton![/QUOTE]
newsflash....Gerald Ford Pardoned Nixon :eek:

[Paladin]

Any student of basic US politics understandsthe Watergate issue and the pardon given to Nixon. It has nothing to with being a dem or rep, you need to be able to admit when you are wrong.You got schooled in basic politics and now you are trying to back out and toss a smoke screen by screaming liberal :rolleyes: . Come on crotch even you have to recognize Clinton was not the first to toss out bogus pardons! If not continue on you journey of as the ignorant right winger, LOL.

When did I ever say that Clinton was the only President to ever give pardons? You are the master of twisting things to your koolaid drinking beliefs. Maybe it is that you think you can poke fun at Bush but no one can make fun of your hero. Who knows with you.

[01WhiteCobra]

Delay may have done wrong, but why did it take FIVE TRIPS TO THE GRAND JURY? Earle FINALLY found a group of folks that think there MIGHT be enough to prosecute. He'll "delay" it as long as he can, then the charges will be dropped. It's a VERY vague indictment...Of coure Reps do wrong, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but I feel this is just another waste of our money.

Or making they finally found the smoking gun from where all the smoke screen came from. Like a 190K check.

[Paladin]

Or making they finally found the smoking gun from where all the smoke screen came from. Like a 190K check.

Just couldn't resist.

[01WhiteCobra]

Just couldn't resist.

oh well

[Pro Trash]

When did I ever say that Clinton was the only President to ever give pardons? You are the master of twisting things to your koolaid drinking beliefs. Maybe it is that you think you can poke fun at Bush but no one can make fun of your hero. Who knows with you.

Once again you are trying to crawl out of this one so that you may save face. The word "only " as used by you is incorrect. So either you are trying to blow smoke or you lack the capability to comprehend my initial statement. I said "Come on crotch even you have to recognize Clinton was not the first to toss out bogus pardons!" I never stated you said he was the "only" one. Also it has nothing to do with Bush or the Republicans in general. Both parties are guilty of piss poor pardons. Good luck on your journey of ignorance, if that is the best you can muster up.

[Paladin]

Once again you are trying to crawl out of this one so that you may save face. The word "only " as used by you is incorrect. So either you are trying to blow smoke or you lack the capability to comprehend my initial statement. I said "Come on crotch even you have to recognize Clinton was not the first to toss out bogus pardons!" I never stated you said he was the "only" one. Also it has nothing to do with Bush or the Republicans in general. Both parties are guilty of piss poor pardons. Good luck on your journey of ignorance, if that is the best you can muster up.

Damn dude, you are one hostile liberal. LOL!

[Vertnut]

It's funny how Earle refused to go after Dan Morales for taking bribes from the tobacco industry during that whole debacle. The Feds had to come in and supercede him, and now, of course, Morales is in jail.

[Pro Trash]

Damn dude, you are one hostile liberal. LOL!


Actually I currently 49% republican and 51% democrat. I feel that Bush has gotten a bad rap with the Hurricane issue. Is to be held accountable for FEMA well yes, is it his fault that New Orleans is a shit hole, no, did he cause this no. I think people are looking to blame and it keeps going uphill instead of down. That dumb ass mayor and equally worthless governor should be held most accountable for what took place in NO. I think the T. Delay bs is just more political manuevering but it goes both ways. They went after Clinton for his lies about Monica so the Dems will take any oportunity they can to make themselves look better, you can thank Ken Starr and others for that, they set the precedence as of late.

[Paladin]

Actually I currently 49% republican and 51% democrat. I feel that Bush has gotten a bad rap with the Hurricane issue. Is to be held accountable for FEMA well yes, is it his fault that New Orleans is a shit hole, no, did he cause this no. I think people are looking to blame and it keeps going uphill instead of down. That dumb ass mayor and equally worthless governor should be held most accountable for what took place in NO. I think the T. Delay bs is just more political manuevering but it goes both ways. They went after Clinton for his lies about Monica so the Dems will take any oportunity they can to make themselves look better, you can thank Ken Starr and others for that, they set the precedence as of late.

If what I am hearing that 5 different GJ's would not or did not indict Delay, then this is going to probably be a partisan Democratic political move. Imagine that, a Democratic DA in the most liberal county in Texas going after a Republican. Go figure!

I have also heard that this may have been an end around to get soft money to candidates from a company, but that it is not unprecedented in it's tactics. I guess if you are a hard core Democrat, you see it as criminal if a Republican does it, and a hard core Republican could see it as illegal if a Democrat did the same thing.

Let's see if a criminal trial gets scheduled right before the next election and then it ends as a slam dunk for Delay. Then I will call it for what it appears, pure politics.

[01WhiteCobra]

Yea... all partisan politics... until you look at Earle's record of prosecution as the top enforcer of the ethics laws a different picture is painted.

His count is 15 elected officials... 12 of which have been democrats.

He must really be libertarian or the republican spin machine is in full effect.

[Paladin]

Yea... all partisan politics... until you look at Earle's record of prosecution as the top enforcer of the ethics laws a different picture is painted.

His count is 15 elected officials... 12 of which have been democrats.

He must really be libertarian or the republican spin machine is in full effect.

Must be more of a target rich environment than Dallas down there. Dayyyuuuummmm!

[01WhiteCobra]

Must be more of a target rich environment than Dallas down there. Dayyyuuuummmm!

He's been DA in Austin since 6th street was a dirt road. Republicans have only been in control for a period of his career.

I'm sure the ratio will improve significantly if Austin re-elects him.

[Vertnut]

Maybe it's just that more Dem's are bad fuckers? :D Go ahead and etch it in stone-it's going to be a repeat of '94, and Kay Bailey...spend time and money on NOTHING, and hope to derail the Rep's when it comes election time.

[line-em-up]

Damn dude, you are one hostile liberal. LOL!

I'm sorry. I don't see what was so hostile about what he said. He was only trying to prove that you were trying to twist HIS words around; therefore making you the "master of twisting things to your koolaid drinking beliefs".

[TexasDevilDog]

I would just like to say that things look fishy on boths sides and if the prosecutor had to run this passed four grand juries to get an indited, then I think finding a jury of 12 people to convict him will be hard. Hell, you'll end up with atleast one radical righty on the jury.

[01WhiteCobra]

Maybe it's just that more Dem's are bad fuckers? :D Go ahead and etch it in stone-it's going to be a repeat of '94, and Kay Bailey...spend time and money on NOTHING, and hope to derail the Rep's when it comes election time.

He has the same lawyer as Kay. And if I'm ever in serious trouble and need a good litigator, I'd be calling Deguerin as well!

[01WhiteCobra]

hmmm...


For the last two years, as he pursued the investigation that led to Wednesday's indictment of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, Travis County, Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle has given a film crew "extraordinary access" to make a motion picture about his work on the case.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200509291814.asp

[Vertnut]

Deguerin is actually a classmate of my dads'- Austin High School, class of '58! He is one Bad Dude in a courtroom. Worked under "Racehorse" Haynes, and Percy Foreman. He also was David Koresh' council...didn't work out to well for Koresh, though... ;)

[Paladin]

I'm sorry. I don't see what was so hostile about what he said. He was only trying to prove that you were trying to twist HIS words around; therefore making you the "master of twisting things to your koolaid drinking beliefs".

You must not be in all the threads he and I are in. I don't drink koolaid.

[01WhiteCobra]

Look at that... Earle found another 12 liberals...


A Texas grand jury on Monday re-indicted Rep. Tom DeLay on charges of conspiring to launder money and money laundering after the former majority leader attacked last week's indictment on technical grounds.


Money laundering... isn't that what drug lords do?

[The Punisher]

Look at that... Earle found another 12 liberals...



Money laundering... isn't that what drug lords do?
the facts sir, lets see the facts... ;)

[Paladin]

Look at that... Earle found another 12 liberals...



Money laundering... isn't that what drug lords do?

Delay's attorney claims that he filed a brief saying the first charge was not a violation of Texas law and then about 4 hours later this indictment comes down. Interesting...

[Vertnut]

A tempest in a teapot. Earle just needs some footage for his movie debut. He had better hope this turns out the way he wants it to.

[01WhiteCobra]

A tempest in a teapot. Earle just needs some footage for his movie debut. He had better hope this turns out the way he wants it to.

Hopefully he's already negotiated the movie rights so it doesn't matter.

[The Punisher]

A tempest in a teapot. Earle just needs some footage for his movie debut. He had better hope this turns out the way he wants it to.
is the producer Michael Moore? another documentary? :D

[line-em-up]

You must not be in all the threads he and I are in. I don't drink koolaid.

True..

[01WhiteCobra]

They are all crooks. :D


Rep. Tom DeLay said District Attorney Ronnie Earle, who is prosecuting him for trying to involve corporate money in Texas politics, has taken such contributions himself.
"It's real interesting he has this crusade against corporate funds. He took corporate funds, and he's taken union funds, for his own re-election. That's against the law," Mr. DeLay told The Washington Times yesterday.
A review of Mr. Earle's campaign-finance filings in Texas shows that he has received contributions from the AFL-CIO, including a $250 donation on Aug. 29, 2000. He also has received contributions listed on the disclosure forms only as coming from the name of an incorporated entity, often a law firm.

[Paladin]

They are all crooks. :D

Isn't every person who has been elected to a political position? :D

[Vertnut]

Some shit about rocks and glass houses? :D

[01WhiteCobra]

Isn't every person who has been elected to a political position? :D

Hey now!

[Paladin]

Hey now!

LOL!