Praise God 4 The Hurricane

[SVT93Style]

I know right now its hard to see the good that can come from such a disaster. When the smoke is thick it is hard to see the light. But there are two ways to look at life, you can focus on the negative or look for the positive.

I believe this hurricane gives God an opportunity to reveal himself to all the world. I pray for those who already have found him and are suffering, but just because you build your house on the rock doesn't mean you are exempt from the storm. May this bring you closer to God. I pray for all those who have not found God yet, may he reveal himself to them in this hour through all those who are giving and working to get these peoples life back to something normal.

What I see happening around us:
1. The body of Christ coming together, all denominations, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist
I know in my area (Lewisville/Flower Mound) the churches have teamed up. This
gives the church the opportunity to step up to the plate and testify
of God greatness thru there actions and donations wether it be time, or money.
And from what I have heard the response of the Church as been AMAZING.
2. I see this country coming together in one of its worst moments. I pray that the
giving does not stop after things settle. If it means turning your A/C up a few
degrees, or buying a 3 bedroom instead of a 4 bedroom house, smoking a pack
less a week, giving up getting some new gadget that you just have to have, I pray
the spirt be written on everyones hearts to see we all can help one another, at
anytime not just during a disaster.

One last thing I would like to share that really touched me. I saw these kids, ages 3,4,5,6 and up on the news. They had a lemonade stand at a golf course and where selling the lemonade to raise money to donate to the relief effort. Praise God may all see.

One last note, to all those fakes out there that are using this disater for personal profit and scaming people, I pray that they might see the errors of their ways. May God work in you so that you might see truth.

Relevant Text:
Matthew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven"
Question: When is it easiest to see light? In the darkness.

Matthew 25:35-40
"For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me." Then the righteous will answer Him "Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something something to drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?
The king will answer and say to them "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me"

[TK_Blown98_GT]

Did any of that bring a house to those who lost one? NO!
Did any of that help anyones life who was ruined get better...NO.....!
It's great you look at life as a huge Fantacy, but the reality is God hates you any everyone else!
To think that an omnipresent God would allow a flood to occur only to hope that the devistation/murder of his creation "makes" people believe in him and worship him is insane at best.
There is no good from this tragidy in N.O. None.
This is like saying that there is good in a All out World nuclear war just because a few people survived. BS
Seriously think about what you are saying and believing in...........it's not real.
Humans are scum when left unchecked and un-controlled.
God isn't real, but the idea of "godly ways" are in your heart as well as mine.
Thats the whole point of religion and or spiritualality.......to finally realize this while at the same time transforming your soul into a Godlike state of awareness.

Praying does nothing but make you feel better about you being alive and in good health compared to others. It's self ritiousness and wrong. You are putting yourself in front of others by praying for them. It only helps you not feel so bad, not them.


Here's some reality........65% of those displaced never had anything to begin with anyways. They never will. They will go back to the same welfare type of life as soon as everything calms down there. Giving to takers only makes more takers.
Akso the bible says that charity done "in mass" is wrong and evil. If you want to give, do it personally.

[SVT93Style]

Did any of that bring a house to those who lost one? NO!
Did any of that help anyones life who was ruined get better...NO.....!
It's great you look at life as a huge Fantacy, but the reality is God hates you any everyone else!
To think that an omnipresent God would allow a flood to occur only to hope that the devistation/murder of his creation "makes" people believe in him and worship him is insane at best.
There is no good from this tragidy in N.O. None.
This is like saying that there is good in a All out World nuclear war just because a few people survived. BS
Seriously think about what you are saying and believing in...........it's not real.
Humans are scum when left unchecked and un-controlled.
God isn't real, but the idea of "godly ways" are in your heart as well as mine.
Thats the whole point of religion and or spiritualality.......to finally realize this while at the same time transforming your soul into a Godlike state of awareness.

Praying does nothing but make you feel better about you being alive and in good health compared to others. It's self ritiousness and wrong. You are putting yourself in front of others by praying for them. It only helps you not feel so bad, not them.


Here's some reality........65% of those displaced never had anything to begin with anyways. They never will. They will go back to the same welfare type of life as soon as everything calms down there. Giving to takers only makes more takers.
Akso the bible says that charity done "in mass" is wrong and evil. If you want to give, do it personally.

Responses. Q and A
1. Q: Did any of that bring a house to those who lost one? NO
A: A little early for this don't you think? I believe you will see people from all over not only offering money for this very cause but their blood, sweat, and tears to rebuild their homes.
2. Q: Did any of that help anyones life who was ruined get better...NO.....!
A: Your arrogant just to put these words into a sentence. Who are you to say how peoples life will be changed, for better or worse. Once again the smoke is thick and its hard to see the light but ultimatley it will prevail, many of these people will be stronger in the end.
3. Q: It's great you look at life as a huge Fantacy, but the reality is God hates you any everyone else!
A: I dont believe this statement even dignifies a response. Oh how your hate can even overshadow your ignorance, and whats even better you offer it up freely, let those you have eyes see it.
4. Q: To think that an omnipresent God would allow a flood to occur only to hope that the devistation/murder of his creation "makes" people believe in him and worship him is insane at best
A: For you rely on your own wisdom and knowlegde, you live in a self-centered world where it all has to be about you....right here right now...you don't have the foresight to see the greater good or the big picture.....did Daddy not love you enough? WAAAWAAWAA
5. Q: Humans are scum when left unchecked and un-controlled.
God isn't real, but the idea of "godly ways" are in your heart as well as mine.
A: I agree humans are scum and are broken and only thru God can the repair begin. As for the "Goldy Ways" in your heart who do you think placed them there so that you might see the difference, then its your choice aka free will...to respond.

[1994SilverGT]

bahahahha, what a load of crap.

on a side note u can find The "good " in anything if u try hard to enough. Doesnt mean its God's work. But good try.

[Super Coupe]

bahahahha, what a load of crap.

on a side note u can find The "good " in anything if u try hard to enough. Doesnt mean its God's work. But good try.

So do you think anyone saw the "good" in when God sent his son to die on the cross?

[Hollywood]

You're an idiot. Typical brainwashed religious radical giving God credit for anything and everything, and taking a disaster and turning it into a "greater good" instead of acknowleding it for what it really is, a catastrophe.

I hope this incident pushed my family further from God and religion. Especially my Aunt who lost everything. The sooner they stop believing in that crap, the better off they'll be.

[Futurama]

You're an idiot. Typical brainwashed religious radical giving God credit for anything and everything, and taking a disaster and turning it into a "greater good" instead of acknowleding it for what it really is, a catastrophe.

I hope this incident pushed my family further from God and religion. Especially my Aunt who lost everything. The sooner they stop believing in that crap, the better off they'll be.
what should they believe in?

[1994SilverGT]

So do you think anyone saw the "good" in when God sent his son to die on the cross?


bahahaha, too bad god has to exist before he can send his son to die for us.

[grapplerguy21]

how dumb god existed like sain nic(santa clause) and the mothafuckin toof fairy and all fairys, haha buahahha, but he dies yes i believe but he was human, no partin the seas, oh wait that was moses, i think, and no impregnating a woman w no sexualintercourse you catch my drift, i have argued w the best on this and everytime its , "gotta have the faith, your going to hell" but yet i can KILL , MURDER, and the holy would tell me i can get washed my sins and it will be all better, in my world its like you do wrong like murder you pay by choppin yo mothafuckin head off , that what wrong w this world and everyone needing somethng to believe in, why dont people discredit god when they lose everything but only try to praise praise , who wanna debate this run that shyt all day , its what i do fuck god and fuck you

[Super Coupe]

You're an idiot. Typical brainwashed religious radical giving God credit for anything and everything, and taking a disaster and turning it into a "greater good" instead of acknowleding it for what it really is, a catastrophe.

I hope this incident pushed my family further from God and religion. Especially my Aunt who lost everything. The sooner they stop believing in that crap, the better off they'll be.

She may have lost everything but you have to remember you are only on this earth for a short time compared to what is in stored after you die. I would go read the book of Job. He had it all. Then it was all taken away from him in one day and his family was destroyed and satan put sores all over his body. His wife even told him to just curse God and die. But he did not and in the end God gave him twice as much as he had before.

[SVT93Style]

how dumb god existed like sain nic(santa clause) and the mothafuckin toof fairy and all fairys, haha buahahha, but he dies yes i believe but he was human, no partin the seas, oh wait that was moses, i think, and no impregnating a woman w no sexualintercourse you catch my drift, i have argued w the best on this and everytime its , "gotta have the faith, your going to hell" but yet i can KILL , MURDER, and the holy would tell me i can get washed my sins and it will be all better, in my world its like you do wrong like murder you pay by choppin yo mothafuckin head off , that what wrong w this world and everyone needing somethng to believe in, why dont people discredit god when they lose everything but only try to praise praise , who wanna debate this run that shyt all day , its what i do fuck god and fuck you


The only thing you need to worry about is taking a few english classes. I mean, come on I could barley read the sensless dribble that you wrote. Clean in up while your at it no one is impressed by your ignorance.

[1994SilverGT]

The only thing you need to worry about is taking a few english classes. I mean, come on I could barley read the sensless dribble that you wrote. Clean in up while your at it no one is impressed by your ignorance.

and no one is impressed with ur skill at correcting grammar. If ur gonna do it at least u can give examples on what he needs help for. But thanks for playing

[SVT93Style]

and no one is impressed with ur skill at correcting grammar. If ur gonna do it at least u can give examples on what he needs help for. But thanks for playing

lame response...

[whiteboy]

Yea lets think god for dumping all the dumb fucks from N.O. in texas. :rolleyes:

[Michaelb303]

"Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God? You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen."

[SVT93Style]

"Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God? You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen."

Curious is this you quote or is it someone elses?
I don't see how you (if this is your qoute) can model your father after God...just no comparision.

[Labora]

Curious is this you quote or is it someone elses?
I don't see how you (if this is your qoute) can model your father after God...just no comparision.

Fight Club...

[JKDGabe]

Wow, this went sour quick.

Just one question: How can someone who doesn't exist hate?

the reality is God hates you any everyone else!

God isn't real

[Cmarsh93z]

John Paul: Chapter 5 verus 3, paragraph one, section 2.5....."thou shall not flood."

There is your anwser!

Chris

[poopnut2]

God had nothing to do with the hurricane. What you should be thankful for is the good nature of some that will hopefully overshadow the asshole nature of others. No offense or anything.

[SVT93Style]

None taken...just curious, how do you think that we are able to tell the difference b/w Good Nature and Bad...right and Wrong? Just a honest question.

[Hollywood]

She may have lost everything but you have to remember you are only on this earth for a short time compared to what is in stored after you die. I would go read the book of Job. He had it all. Then it was all taken away from him in one day and his family was destroyed and satan put sores all over his body. His wife even told him to just curse God and die. But he did not and in the end God gave him twice as much as he had before.


I have read the book of Job, i'm a former christian who's read the bible from front to cover. Fortunately i'm free now. The bible is fiction as it was written by man.

[SVT93Style]

I have read the book of Job, i'm a former christian who's read the bible from front to cover. Fortunately i'm free now. The bible is fiction as it was written by man.

Former Christian, I would like to listen to your story if you wouldn't mind posting it up. If you want you could even email it to me, just curious about the details, duration of your faith, what age you were when you accepted Christ, what age you were when you left, and why.

Also what denomination was it?

[Larius]

SVT93Style, thanks for the encouraging words. I have not read any positive posts about your thoughts. Just wanted to say thanks.

[SVT93Style]

Usually everything I post gets flamed but thats cool, keeps it exciting in here.
Appreciate the comments.

[poopnut2]

None taken...just curious, how do you think that we are able to tell the difference b/w Good Nature and Bad...right and Wrong? Just a honest question.

Good and bad nature is totally relative around the world. Look at cannabalism, they don't believe that killing other humans for food is wrong. To them, it's like an animal killing another animal for food. What's good and what is bad is taught to us by our parents from birth.

[Michaelb303]

I will thank him soon for my new home furnishings once the Hurricane passes.

[SVT93Style]

Good and bad nature is totally relative around the world. Look at cannabalism, they don't believe that killing other humans for food is wrong. To them, it's like an animal killing another animal for food. What's good and what is bad is taught to us by our parents from birth.


I have to disagree, I don't believe that your parents teach you whats good and bad, I believe they help the process but they don't prepare you for every situatin, besides who taught them....there is always the words that are written on your heart, the little voice in your head that what given to you by God.

[Hollywood]

Former Christian, I would like to listen to your story if you wouldn't mind posting it up. If you want you could even email it to me, just curious about the details, duration of your faith, what age you were when you accepted Christ, what age you were when you left, and why.

Also what denomination was it?

Raised baptist from birth, converted to Pentacostal at age 11 or 12, around age 18 began attending Assembly of God for the most part until age 23. At age 25 while working for TD Jakes Ministries I began my conversion to agnostic where I went on to become an atheist. Thats it in a nutshell. You could probably find the long version in an old thread.

[Peep]

I know right now its hard to see the good that can come from such a disaster. When the smoke is thick it is hard to see the light. But there are two ways to look at life, you can focus on the negative or look for the positive.

I believe this hurricane gives God an opportunity to reveal himself to all the world. I pray for those who already have found him and are suffering, but just because you build your house on the rock doesn't mean you are exempt from the storm. May this bring you closer to God. I pray for all those who have not found God yet, may he reveal himself to them in this hour through all those who are giving and working to get these peoples life back to something normal.

What I see happening around us:
1. The body of Christ coming together, all denominations, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist
I know in my area (Lewisville/Flower Mound) the churches have teamed up. This
gives the church the opportunity to step up to the plate and testify
of God greatness thru there actions and donations wether it be time, or money.
And from what I have heard the response of the Church as been AMAZING.
2. I see this country coming together in one of its worst moments. I pray that the
giving does not stop after things settle. If it means turning your A/C up a few
degrees, or buying a 3 bedroom instead of a 4 bedroom house, smoking a pack
less a week, giving up getting some new gadget that you just have to have, I pray
the spirt be written on everyones hearts to see we all can help one another, at
anytime not just during a disaster.

One last thing I would like to share that really touched me. I saw these kids, ages 3,4,5,6 and up on the news. They had a lemonade stand at a golf course and where selling the lemonade to raise money to donate to the relief effort. Praise God may all see.

One last note, to all those fakes out there that are using this disater for personal profit and scaming people, I pray that they might see the errors of their ways. May God work in you so that you might see truth.

Relevant Text:
Matthew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven"
Question: When is it easiest to see light? In the darkness.

Matthew 25:35-40
"For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me." Then the righteous will answer Him "Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something something to drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?
The king will answer and say to them "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me"

/\
This, I think is a good thing about faith. It allows you comfort and gives you answers that without it you wouldn't have. I'm happy for you.

[poopnut2]

I have to disagree, I don't believe that your parents teach you whats good and bad, I believe they help the process but they don't prepare you for every situatin, besides who taught them....there is always the words that are written on your heart, the little voice in your head that what given to you by God.

You don't think your parents teach you what's good and bad? Once again, explain cannabalism for me. If it's wrong, then why do they do it without question? Are they evil? Tell them that and they'll eat you. :p Have you taken a basic sociology class? It's pretty interesting what you learn. Everything down to basic morals are taught. If you're raised to be a killer, you're going to kill. There are of course "deviants" who purposely break what morals he or she is taught but without deviance, you'd be going to a catholic church. ;)

[SVT93Style]

Raised baptist from birth, converted to Pentacostal at age 11 or 12, around age 18 began attending Assembly of God for the most part until age 23. At age 25 while working for TD Jakes Ministries I began my conversion to agnostic where I went on to become an atheist. Thats it in a nutshell. You could probably find the long version in an old thread.

Let me ask you this, all politic's aside, even now if you don't think it real....Do you miss Jesus? ( or the idea of him)

[Hollywood]

Let me ask you this, all politic's aside, even now if you don't think it real....Do you miss Jesus? ( or the idea of him)

Nope, not at all. In fact, I regret having wasted my time and money on religion even if it was a learning experience to the fallability of man and the weakness of the mind. I make the most out of my time here now, instead of wasting it believing in an idea that was created by man. Sure it's depressing knowing that there is nothing else in life to expect and that when we die, thats it. But I refuse to live a lie. I wonder why people have a hard time understanding that in the old days, there were con-artists just like there are today.

[SVT93Style]

Nope, not at all. In fact, I regret having wasted my time and money on religion even if it was a learning experience to the fallability of man and the weakness of the mind. I make the most out of my time here now, instead of wasting it believing in an idea that was created by man. Sure it's depressing knowing that there is nothing else in life to expect and that when we die, thats it. But I refuse to live a lie. I wonder why people have a hard time understanding that in the old days, there were con-artists just like there are today.


I notice you refer to the weakness of the mind quite often, I have my Private Pilot Licsence, Instrument, and 70 hrs away from a Commerical...I also have a Bachelors as well....when you say weakness of mind are you refering to intelligence?

Also as far as created by man goes I'll give you written by man but inspired by God. Just as a man's heart is stirred by a women as he long for her, he is inspired by her to write song's, poems etc...just as these men were inspired by God....and as for the story of Jesus, no man could of made that up...the story is about sacrifice, humling, etc...man don't make things like this....they have stories like the Roman Gods and war heros...things of this nature.

Con-artists....each apostle was killed for what they believed in....except for one who was exiled on an island...thats historical....even the Chief Preiest who had Jesus condemed commited suicide 3 days later....The apostle Paul was crucified upside down b/c he wouldn't allow himself to die in the same way as the Son...this men saw something, these people saw something, how else can you explain Christianity spread thru the Roman Empire like wild fire, people everyday being killed for this belief until Constatine relized he couldn't stop it and created the Roman Catholic Church giving up the pagan Gods...

[steve small]

Nicely put SVT93Style

[poopnut2]

Also as far as created by man goes I'll give you written by man but inspired by God. Just as a man's heart is stirred by a women as he long for her, he is inspired by her to write song's, poems etc...just as these men were inspired by God....and as for the story of Jesus, no man could of made that up...the story is about sacrifice, humling, etc...man don't make things like this....they have stories like the Roman Gods and war heros...things of this nature.

Ummm...Braveheart. I believe that Braveheart is a better story than the one of Jesus, similiar as well. Sacrifice, love for his people, wanting peace among men. A lot more violent but, basically the same thing. Now I know that William Wallace was a true person but that story was very loosely based on fact.

The fact is that the human mind can do awesome things. You just talked about some of the things. Poems, songs, and so on. Yet you don't think that we can write about a single god? Christianity, minus the monotheistic perspective is basically the same thing as the Greek and Roman Mythologies that were written. The christian god is the god of everything, the Romans and Greeks have a god for everything. Worship the Gods, thank the Gods. You just thanked the christian God for a hurricane. :rolleyes:

Also I wonder, the polytheistic religions have been around a lot longer than the monotheistic ones so how are they wrong and yours right? I'm not trying to attack you, but like EVERY OTHER RELIGION, christians believe they are right and all others are wrong.

Now, I'm not atheist, but I don't believe in organized religion. We can thank organized religion for many many deaths.

[Jester]

I hate religion.

[poopnut2]

I hate religion.

Don't lose any sleep over it because most likely religion hates you.

[SVT93Style]

Ummm...Braveheart. I believe that Braveheart is a better story than the one of Jesus, similiar as well. Sacrifice, love for his people, wanting peace among men. A lot more violent but, basically the same thing. Now I know that William Wallace was a true person but that story was very loosely based on fact.

The fact is that the human mind can do awesome things. You just talked about some of the things. Poems, songs, and so on. Yet you don't think that we can write about a single god? Christianity, minus the monotheistic perspective is basically the same thing as the Greek and Roman Mythologies that were written. The christian god is the god of everything, the Romans and Greeks have a god for everything. Worship the Gods, thank the Gods. You just thanked the christian God for a hurricane. :rolleyes:

Also I wonder, the polytheistic religions have been around a lot longer than the monotheistic ones so how are they wrong and yours right? I'm not trying to attack you, but like EVERY OTHER RELIGION, christians believe they are right and all others are wrong.

Now, I'm not atheist, but I don't believe in organized religion. We can thank organized religion for many many deaths.


I agree Braveheart is a good story but far different in many ways. As far as the human mind goes I agree but who gives us this tools?? I guess the question now is do you believe in a God, not the God of Christianity but in a God in general.....if not I would reccommend a book called the Case for the Creator...good reading either way it was written by an atheist, who later converted to Christianity after a 2 1/2 year investigation into the matter which was also a book called "The Case for Chirst".....I reccomend the "The Case for the Creator" b/c it takes out religion and boils it down to God/Creationism V.S. Evolution/Coming out of nothing.

As far as Deaths go, I assume you are speaking of the Crusasde's...amongst othe things, like when the Catholic Church turned a blind eye to the slaughtering of millions of Jews in WWII. Is this correct????

[mikeb]

John Paul: Chapter 5 verus 3, paragraph one, section 2.5....."thou shall not flood."

There is your anwser!

Chris

John was referring to people running EFI instead of a carb.

No doubt that the hurricane is a disaster but it may shake some people up and make them think about how they are living their life and what is important.

[SVT93Style]

John was referring to people running EFI instead of a carb.


LOL!

[poopnut2]

I agree Braveheart is a good story but far different in many ways. As far as the human mind goes I agree but who gives us this tools?? I guess the question now is do you believe in a God, not the God of Christianity but in a God in general.....if not I would reccommend a book called the Case for the Creator...good reading either way it was written by an atheist, who later converted to Christianity after a 2 1/2 year investigation into the matter which was also a book called "The Case for Chirst".....I reccomend the "The Case for the Creator" b/c it takes out religion and boils it down to God/Creationism V.S. Evolution/Coming out of nothing.

As far as Deaths go, I assume you are speaking of the Crusasde's...amongst othe things, like when the Catholic Church turned a blind eye to the slaughtering of millions of Jews in WWII. Is this correct????

I believe there is some form of higher power that I can't comprehend. I also believe in evolution though. I believe that over the years and harsh environments of the world, humans have had to physically adapt to survive. However, the universe is too vast and exact for something not to have designed it. The crusade is only one small part. Hitler was a self-proclaimed christian, (http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm) and believed that by killing the Jews he was doing Gods work. Then you have the constant fighting in the middle east, and protestant christianity is nothing more than a popularity contest now to see who can have the nicest church with the most members.

[SVT93Style]

However, the universe is too vast and exact for something not to have designed it.

Vast, exact, and precise....all the more reason to believe that it was designed!

[poopnut2]

Vast, exact, and precise....all the more reason to believe that it was designed!

God set the universe up to be what it is now but I seriously doubt God had anything to do with the hurricane or any other natural disaster. Unless God is a POS that likes to watch people die.

[SVT93Style]

God set the universe up to be what it is now but I seriously doubt God had anything to do with the hurricane or any other natural disaster. Unless God is a POS that likes to watch people die.


Maybe this wasn't clear. I don't believe that he sent the hurricane but I do believe all things happen for a reason, and I know "he" could intervine if he wanted, but see's a greater benefit for allowing this to happen. If anyone is the cause of this hurricane it me and you, and the world....after taking several Earth Science classes at the University it is clear that we are to blame for increased problems like hurricanes...weather patterns are changing due to the way we live..Fact. This is a small part of a much larger problem...the big picute is scary, trust me. We are killiing the world. (but thats all the way it has to be)

[steve small]

God is so powerful that it is not up to mere humans to judge whether God is evil or good for doing something. Dont you think that a God that is powerful enough to create everything could have a greater plan than just trying to "wipe people out." We as humans cant comprehend Gods master plan, (at least without him explaining it to us.) And God gave us life and possessions so he is entitled to take them away anyways.

[SVT93Style]

God is so powerful that it is not up to mere humans to judge whether God is evil or good for doing something. Dont you think that a God that is powerful enough to create everything could have a greater plan than just trying to "wipe people out." We as humans cant comprehend Gods master plan, (at least without him explaining it to us.) And God gave us life and possessions so he is entitled to take them away anyways.


Agreed...God has given all..."The Lord Giveth and the Lord Take Away"

[poopnut2]

Maybe this wasn't clear. I don't believe that he sent the hurricane but I do believe all things happen for a reason, and I know "he" could intervine if he wanted, but see's a greater benefit for allowing this to happen. If anyone is the cause of this hurricane it me and you, and the world....after taking several Earth Science classes at the University it is clear that we are to blame for increased problems like hurricanes...weather patterns are changing due to the way we live..Fact. This is a small part of a much larger problem...the big picute is scary, trust me. We are killiing the world. (but thats all the way it has to be)

Peoples lives do impact the weather but not that much. Peoples lives moreso impact the effects of weather in terms of damage and deaths. If people didn't live in coastal areas that are at or below sea level, this thread wouldn't exist. Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Tsunami's, and Earthquakes have been around just as long as humans.

[Super Coupe]

Peoples lives do impact the weather but not that much. Peoples lives moreso impact the effects of weather in terms of damage and deaths. If people didn't live in coastal areas that are at or below sea level, this thread wouldn't exist. Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Tsunami's, and Earthquakes have been around just as long as humans.

That's true but whenever there are two cat 5s in the gulf less then a few weeks apart that has to tell you something! And look how hot it is! We have set 9 record highs this year.

[poopnut2]

That's true but whenever there are two cat 5s in the gulf less then a few weeks apart that has to tell you something! And look how hot it is! We have set 9 record highs this year.

So what? Out of nowhere there was a gigantic Tsunami that his in the East? There have been plenty of awful earthquakes over the many years. How about the devasting tornado's that we see ALL the time? Also, where are you getting this 9 record breaking temperatures? I know we broke one the other day. What about in 1980 where they had MONTHS of 100+ degree weather? This summer has been relatively mild.

[Super Coupe]

So what? Out of nowhere there was a gigantic Tsunami that his in the East? There have been plenty of awful earthquakes over the many years. How about the devasting tornado's that we see ALL the time? Also, where are you getting this 9 record breaking temperatures? I know we broke one the other day. What about in 1980 where they had MONTHS of 100+ degree weather? This summer has been relatively mild.

Tsunami is usually earthquake related. The plates moving and shifting and getting stuck on one another and breaking loose. I don't think we have any control over that. Tornados warm air mixing with cold air. There will always be a tornado seasons that spawn them. Now hurricanes get their energy from warm water. I would like to see how big rita and katrina would have been if the temperature wasn't so above the normal for this year. I highly doubt they would have been a cat 5 while still in the ocean. I got my info about 9 days of record breaking heat from one of the news channles.

[79Camaro454]

So this year we hit records......We make records everyday HI's and Low's.....One volcanic eruption does more damage in a day than we can do in a 100 years to the environment.....whether its the ozone or the land......Humans have little to no affect on the ozone or atmosphere....
Religion is about money and power......Thats the basic foundation....That foundation is evil....

[poopnut2]

Tsunami is usually earthquake related. The plates moving and shifting and getting stuck on one another and breaking loose. I don't think we have any control over that. Tornados warm air mixing with cold air. There will always be a tornado seasons that spawn them. Now hurricanes get their energy from warm water. I would like to see how big rita and katrina would have been if the temperature wasn't so above the normal for this year. I highly doubt they would have been a cat 5 while still in the ocean. I got my info about 9 days of record breaking heat from one of the news channles.How old are you? Do you just say stuff? We effect hurricanes about as much as we effect tornados. You wanna know another reason the water was so warm at that time of the year? The sun focus point was just above the equator at about those times. Sun...remember sun? The sun has more to do with water temperatures than anything that we do.

[Super Coupe]

How old are you? Do you just say stuff? We effect hurricanes about as much as we effect tornados. You wanna know another reason the water was so warm at that time of the year? The sun focus point was just above the equator at about those times. Sun...remember sun? The sun has more to do with water temperatures than anything that we do.

All I know is that the lows at night were suppose be the highs in the day for this time of year. It was hotter every where!

[poopnut2]

All I know is that the lows at night were suppose be the highs in the day for this time of year. It was hotter every where!It's always hot in September. I don't know why you don't think this is something new. It'll probably get hot for a week or two in November as well. This is Texas, it has messed up weather. It's nothing new. :rolleyes:

[Hollywood]

I notice you refer to the weakness of the mind quite often, I have my Private Pilot Licsence, Instrument, and 70 hrs away from a Commerical...I also have a Bachelors as well....when you say weakness of mind are you refering to intelligence?

Also as far as created by man goes I'll give you written by man but inspired by God. Just as a man's heart is stirred by a women as he long for her, he is inspired by her to write song's, poems etc...just as these men were inspired by God....and as for the story of Jesus, no man could of made that up...the story is about sacrifice, humling, etc...man don't make things like this....they have stories like the Roman Gods and war heros...things of this nature.

Con-artists....each apostle was killed for what they believed in....except for one who was exiled on an island...thats historical....even the Chief Preiest who had Jesus condemed commited suicide 3 days later....The apostle Paul was crucified upside down b/c he wouldn't allow himself to die in the same way as the Son...this men saw something, these people saw something, how else can you explain Christianity spread thru the Roman Empire like wild fire, people everyday being killed for this belief until Constatine relized he couldn't stop it and created the Roman Catholic Church giving up the pagan Gods...

Weak minded does not equate to dumb or unintelligent. Weak minded is just that, weak minded.

As for man not being able to come up with a story of humility, sacrifice, is just dumb. An example has already been given. I'm an atheist and a writer, so who do my ideas come from?

Christianity spreads just like the other religions spread. Look at the staple of Christianity " go out and recruit." Part of the christian way is to try and bring in new blood to the church. You are reminded of it every Sunday. People are sheep and when someone is down and out on their luck, they are willing to buy in to just about any ideology in hopes of getting through that rough time. If they didn't, you wouldnt' have these late night infomercials selling get rich quick schemes. Those commercials are there every night because someone buys it. It's like a big net. You cast a big enough net, you'll catch something, guranteed. Religion is no different, I know, i've been there. When a man is down on his luck, he is gullable, because he wants a way out.

Your God has done nothing to show he exists, yet you believe based on one thing, a book, which whether you like it or not, was written by man. You'll come back and say that God has done things in your life, then i'm going to ask you why a defenseless child can be molested in a church by a priest if God is active. You'll say "free will" as if the child made the decision or had any say in it. When you and I both know he did no such thing. It's absurd and looking back, I can't believe I was so gullable to believe in that crap.

[Super Coupe]

Your God has done nothing to show he exists, yet you believe based on one thing, a book, which whether you like it or not, was written by man. You'll come back and say that God has done things in your life, then i'm going to ask you why a defenseless child can be molested in a church by a priest if God is active. You'll say "free will" as if the child made the decision or had any say in it. When you and I both know he did no such thing. It's absurd and looking back, I can't believe I was so gullable to believe in that crap.

The bible says there are people who have seen sufficient evidence that he exist, but they suppress the truth about God. But for the ones that want to know God and if He is there He says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."

It is like someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon. Interviews with astronauts, moon rocks, all that evidence would be worthless because the person has already made up their mind that people cannot go to the moon. You have already made up your mind that God does not exist.

Look at our world. It is perfect in everyway with how it was created. No way you can tell me that it happened by accident. Everything is perfect from the size of the earth, to how far it is from the sun, to how it spins on its axis. Everything about it. If you need examples I can give you plenty but its kinda like this.

What are the chances that a tornado blow through a junkyard containing all the parts of a 747, accidentally assembling them into a plane, and leave it ready to take off. The point is that you say there is no proof that God exist. Well the proof is all around you man. The car you drive is proof. The air you breath is proof. If you do not choose to believe that he exist then that is your choice but you cannot tell me that there is no proof that he exist and you especially can't tell me that all you see around you is just one big huge accident.

[SVT93Style]

Your God has done nothing to show he exists, yet you believe based on one thing, a book, which whether you like it or not, was written by man. You'll come back and say that God has done things in your life, then i'm going to ask you why a defenseless child can be molested in a church by a priest if God is active. You'll say "free will" as if the child made the decision or had any say in it. When you and I both know he did no such thing. It's absurd and looking back, I can't believe I was so gullable to believe in that crap.

Soon we will talk about my reason for a firm and dire belief in the Son of Man but not tonight. But in reference to "your God has ond nothing to show he exists....." I have to say look around at the world, not what's in the world but the world itself, it is perfect....the only problem I see is man.....all the problems of the "world" as you and I know it are do to the coruption of man, and the human conditon from natural sin....God will not intervene on this till the last day....He is all around us in every way, you have just choosen to look away....for I too was once blind but now can see....don't confuse the world for what is in the world, we are to blame for all that has become.

[poopnut2]

Weak minded does not equate to dumb or unintelligent. Weak minded is just that, weak minded.

As for man not being able to come up with a story of humility, sacrifice, is just dumb. An example has already been given. I'm an atheist and a writer, so who do my ideas come from?

Christianity spreads just like the other religions spread. Look at the staple of Christianity " go out and recruit." Part of the christian way is to try and bring in new blood to the church. You are reminded of it every Sunday. People are sheep and when someone is down and out on their luck, they are willing to buy in to just about any ideology in hopes of getting through that rough time. If they didn't, you wouldnt' have these late night infomercials selling get rich quick schemes. Those commercials are there every night because someone buys it. It's like a big net. You cast a big enough net, you'll catch something, guranteed. Religion is no different, I know, i've been there. When a man is down on his luck, he is gullable, because he wants a way out.

Your God has done nothing to show he exists, yet you believe based on one thing, a book, which whether you like it or not, was written by man. You'll come back and say that God has done things in your life, then i'm going to ask you why a defenseless child can be molested in a church by a priest if God is active. You'll say "free will" as if the child made the decision or had any say in it. When you and I both know he did no such thing. It's absurd and looking back, I can't believe I was so gullable to believe in that crap.

Gullible.

The bible says there are people who have seen sufficient evidence that he exist, but they suppress the truth about God. But for the ones that want to know God and if He is there He says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."

It is like someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon. Interviews with astronauts, moon rocks, all that evidence would be worthless because the person has already made up their mind that people cannot go to the moon. You have already made up your mind that God does not exist.

Look at our world. It is perfect in everyway with how it was created. No way you can tell me that it happened by accident. Everything is perfect from the size of the earth, to how far it is from the sun, to how it spins on its axis. Everything about it. If you need examples I can give you plenty but its kinda like this.

What are the chances that a tornado blow through a junkyard containing all the parts of a 747, accidentally assembling them into a plane, and leave it ready to take off. The point is that you say there is no proof that God exist. Well the proof is all around you man. The car you drive is proof. The air you breath is proof. If you do not choose to believe that he exist then that is your choice but you cannot tell me that there is no proof that he exist and you especially can't tell me that all you see around you is just one big huge accident.

Well said except for the whole analogy of the moon. We were alive to see the moon landing and interviews, not the creation of the earth. Also, the bible quote is about as useful as a quote from the national enquirer. Other than that, well said with the whole 747 thing.

Soon we will talk about my reason for a firm and dire belief in the Son of Man but not tonight. But in reference to "your God has ond nothing to show he exists....." I have to say look around at the world, not what's in the world but the world itself, it is perfect....the only problem I see is man.....all the problems of the "world" as you and I know it are do to the coruption of man, and the human conditon from natural sin....God will not intervene on this till the last day....He is all around us in every way, you have just choosen to look away....for I too was once blind but now can see....don't confuse the world for what is in the world, we are to blame for all that has become.

Natural sin. You sound like a Calvanist. Do you believe in pre-destination? :confused: Now, you say God will not intervene until the last day yet you pray for God to help you every day? :confused:

[SVT93Style]

Natural sin. You sound like a Calvanist. Do you believe in pre-destination? :confused: Now, you say God will not intervene until the last day yet you pray for God to help you every day? :confused:


Natural sin is passed on since the fall, just as Cancer passes btw generations or baldness etc....the same concept, I don't see how this makes me a Calvansit...this is a fundamental Christian belief.

When I say intervene I mean in the sense of physical being on earth again....not the spirt but he Son himself.

[poopnut2]

Natural sin is passed on since the fall, just as Cancer passes btw generations or baldness etc....the same concept, I don't see how this makes me a Calvansit...this is a fundamental Christian belief.

When I say intervene I mean in the sense of physical being on earth again....not the spirt but he Son himself.

Then what would be the point of creation only to exterminate?

[Super Coupe]

Well said except for the whole analogy of the moon. We were alive to see the moon landing and interviews, not the creation of the earth.

Yes I know but the point of it was that if you already have your mind set on one belief (there is no God) it won't matter how much proof you see. You still won't believe it.

[SVT93Style]

Then what would be the point of creation only to exterminate?

I don't understand, could you elaborate? Did I miss something?

[poopnut2]

Yes I know but the point of it was that if you already have your mind set on one belief (there is no God) it won't matter how much proof you see. You still won't believe it.

Well it's nice to see you're jumping to conclusion. Not once have I said I don't believe in a God. I actually said that I DO believe in "some sort of higher power that I can't comprehend." Here is another post that shows that I believe in a God.

God set the universe up to be what it is now but I seriously doubt God had anything to do with the hurricane or any other natural disaster. Unless God is a POS that likes to watch people die.

I don't understand, could you elaborate? Did I miss something?

You said that God won't intervene until the last day. I don't believe that God would create us, only to later end us.

[SVT93Style]

Well it's nice to see you're jumping to conclusion. Not once have I said I don't believe in a God. I actually said that I DO believe in "some sort of higher power that I can't comprehend." Here is another post that shows that I believe in a God.





You said that God won't intervene until the last day. I don't believe that God would create us, only to later end us.


Think about it for a second, aren't all endings just new beginings?

[SVT93Style]

Hurricane Article....more to come....more often.

http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,69063,00.html?tw=rss.TEK

[D]

Personally, I believe in God, but at the same time I am a realist. I don't think that the hurricane is anyone's fault, whether it be God or not. The bottom line, whether you're agnostic, athiest, Mormon, Jewish, Muslim, whatever, is that shit happens. No one will be stronger because of the hurricane. Like someone else said before, those people didn't have shit before, they won't have shit after. They'll go back to their food stamps, welfare, and bottom feeding. If anything, they'll wish that they'd done the right thing earlier in life so they had the resources to get out while they could. Blaming God, or Bush for that matter, for the hurricane and its devastation is a cop out. People who can't find their own answers to their own problems are always the first to blame someone else. No offense to the person who started this thread, but I honestly think you're too blind to reality for your own good.

[poopnut2]

Think about it for a second, aren't all endings just new beginings?

No.

[SVT93Style]

No offense to the person who started this thread, but I honestly think you're too blind to reality for your own good.

Who's reality, yours? I think this is all matter of vantage point.

[Super Coupe]

Well it's nice to see you're jumping to conclusion. Not once have I said I don't believe in a God. I actually said that I DO believe in "some sort of higher power that I can't comprehend." Here is another post that shows that I believe in a God.

I did not quote you in the original post that I posted that because it wasn't for you. I had Hollywood quoted.

[Mattica]

All I know is that the lows at night were suppose be the highs in the day for this time of year. It was hotter every where!

Record high of 104 degrees in 1924 on September 30, 1924.

[poopnut2]

Record high of 104 degrees in 1924 on September 30, 1924.

The world has ended since then and God replanted all the dinosaur bones to confuse us again. He called it the glitch of 1927.

[D]

Who's reality, yours? I think this is all matter of vantage point.

Reality is not a vantage point, or a matter of opinion. Reality is fact, concrete. The reality of this situation is not God flooding New Orleans or trying to send a message to anyone. Reality is that the weather patterns and all of that "stuff" directed the hurricane to that area and flooded it. It's those people's fault they're in that predicament because they are the people who chose to live in a coastal city below sea level.

[SVT93Style]

Reality is not a vantage point.


Reality is definatley all about vantage point....If I was a Harvard Graduate my vantage point of reality would be a lot different then someone who works for McDonalds. Its all about the view from where your sitting.

[poopnut2]

Reality is definatley all about vantage point....If I was a Harvard Graduate my vantage point of reality would be a lot different then someone who works for McDonalds. Its all about the view from where your sitting.

I agree. Truth is not a vantage point. What we think is real, is not always the truth.

[SVT93Style]

I agree. Truth is not a vantage point. What we think is real, is not always the truth.


So what is truth?

[D]

Reality and truth are exactly that. They can't be changed just because of what one person thinks of it. People can interpret reality and truth differently, but that doesn't mean that what they interpret is what is true or realistic.

[poopnut2]

So what is truth?

I don't think anyone knows 100% what truth is. Faith is not concrete truth at all. Faith is hope. Science tries to find truth through the scientific method, but science is limited to technology...and time.

90StangLX5.0. Reality a couple weeks ago was that there were hundreds of people dead in the superdome. The truth is, there were 6.

[D]

The truth was always that there was 6 dead in the Superdome. Reality is that the Liberal media was trying to blow it, like everything else, out of proportion to make the President and Mayor Nagin look bad. I see what you are saying though. It could go either way.

[SVT93Style]

I don't think anyone knows 100% what truth is. Faith is not concrete truth at all. Faith is hope. Science tries to find truth through the scientific method, but science is limited to technology...and time.

I will tell truth is not inanimate thing but rather it was a "man," Jesus Christ.

[Got5onIt]

It's funny how people can put a positive spin on a situation from the comfort of their own home while thousands of people go homeless and jobless. :rolleyes:

[SVT93Style]

It's funny how people can put a positive spin on a situation from the comfort of their own home while thousands of people go homeless and jobless. :rolleyes:

It's funny how people can put a negative spin + attitude from the comfort of their own home while thousands of people go homelss and jobless. :D

[poopnut2]

I will tell truth is not inanimate thing but rather it was a "man," Jesus Christ.

Well let me put that under...

[Got5onIt]

It's funny how people can put a negative spin + attitude from the comfort of their own home while thousands of people go homelss and jobless. :D

Good one.
I left myself wide open for that. :D

[flametruck]

Nope, not at all. In fact, I regret having wasted my time and money on religion even if it was a learning experience to the fallability of man and the weakness of the mind. I make the most out of my time here now, instead of wasting it believing in an idea that was created by man. Sure it's depressing knowing that there is nothing else in life to expect and that when we die, thats it. But I refuse to live a lie. I wonder why people have a hard time understanding that in the old days, there were con-artists just like there are today.
Man your mixed up! :eek:

[90dfw]

I notice you refer to the weakness of the mind quite often, I have my Private Pilot Licsence, Instrument, and 70 hrs away from a Commerical...I also have a Bachelors as well....when you say weakness of mind are you refering to intelligence?...
didnt you just flame someone for their use of grammer??You cant even spell Liscense correct...Not only that but what you have are ratings not liscenses.
As a currently rated FI i can tell you that it is not hard to teach someone how to fly.If you gave me two people from an african tribe I could teach one person how to fly in less than 10hrs,while at the same time it would take longer than that to teach them to drive on the streets.I have a 8yr old son and he has the knowledge to pass a INST oral exam.When we fly together he is able to take off and land without any interaction from me.As far as having a BS degree,My brother has a Masters and he is dumber than a tick turd when it comes to common sense.

[SVT93Style]

didnt you just flame someone for their use of grammer??You cant even spell Liscense correct...Not only that but what you have are ratings not liscenses.
As a currently rated FI i can tell you that it is not hard to teach someone how to fly.If you gave me two people from an african tribe I could teach one person how to fly in less than 10hrs,while at the same time it would take longer than that to teach them to drive on the streets.I have a 8yr old son and he has the knowledge to pass a INST oral exam.When we fly together he is able to take off and land without any interaction from me.As far as having a BS degree,My brother has a Masters and he is dumber than a tick turd when it comes to common sense.


Didn't find the need to clarify but just for you... I have my Private Pilot Liscense, instrument rating....happy. If you are a CFI...I have never heard anyone call it "a currently rated FI" before...you probalby work a dirt FBO on a local strip doing Part 61 training...wow. Flying is tough, not the actual controlling of the aircraft but everything behind the scene...rules, regs, air-traffic etc....there is so much that goes into it and for you to be-little as easy...tell me why most flight schools have a 90% drop out rate....Flying is the best and hardest thing I have accomplished in my life....but then again if all you fly is a 152....guess it's not to tough.

As far as a Maters go, I guess its relative to what school you attend....and we are not talking common sense here....

[90dfw]

:rolleyes: Didn't find the need to clarify but just for you... I have my Private Pilot Liscense, instrument rating....happy. If you are a CFI...I have never heard anyone call it "a currently rated FI" before...you probalby work a dirt FBO on a local strip doing Part 61 training...wow. Flying is tough, not the actual controlling of the aircraft but everything behind the scene...rules, regs, air-traffic etc....there is so much that goes into it and for you to be-little as easy...tell me why most flight schools have a 90% drop out rate....Flying is the best and hardest thing I have accomplished in my life....but then again if all you fly is a 152....guess it's not to tough.

As far as a Maters go, I guess its relative to what school you attend....and we are not talking common sense here....
Well 1st off douch ,by saying "currently rated FI" you know good and damn well I meant I was current.You do know what current is dont you? And no i dont work a dirt FBO, I am a network engineer With American Airlines at their FLIGHT ACADEMY and do the FI as a supp. income and to build up hrs. And i didnt say a damn thing about whatI fly/have flown,but to sum it up..
I have 20hrs 777 ,10 ATR 42,13.5 hrs ATR 72,45hrs 737,2hrs RJ,10 hrs 727 THIS IS ALL SIM TIME that is fully loggable time.Since i work at the flight academy I have full access to the sims and I am good friends with 99% of the instructors.So when there is nothing going on I am able to go into the sims with the AA instructors.
172RG 701hrs,150 3hrs,40 hrs king air,130 hrs cessna 210,15 hrs piper cub, this is all actual flight time.Do i need to post anymore?
As far as the dropout rate is concerned,you need to do some more research flyboy..the #1 main reason for students dropping out/quiting flying is money.I think you know as well as I know that pretty much anyone can pass a PPL Oral exam.Its not hard at all.Dont tell me about regs,ect.. I know more about regs than you have forgotten.
You have only your PPL,INST and you are telling me wow?You still have many hrs to go as well as 3 more ratings to get before you are even near my level.
By the way you are talking about flying as well as trying put someone else down because of where you think they teach/work, you are what we refer to as a "paper captain" other words you are an asshole without an airplane.
With the attitude you have you wouldnt last 2 days at a major airline.They dont give a rats ass what you think you know.If you are not someone that can get along in the cockpit,they dont want you here.I have seen a former Blue angle get dropped by AA becuase he had the attitude that he was the best and thought he knew more than his instructors did.He may have but his ego and constantly talking down to others when they made a mistake cost him a good future.
You may have the ratings but in no way do you have the right attitude about flying.....
I was mearly dogging on you for your misspellings and incorrect wordage of your ratings because you felt you needed to throw in that you have a BS degree as well as your PPL when someone made a comment about weakness of mind...And im pretty sure that the orginal poster was refering to the fact that you seem to believe every word you have read in the bible to a "T" even though it was written by many men,many yrs ago.You allow no room to think for yourself when it comes to what the bible says.
with that being said i am going to go and clean off the dirt airstrip that you seem to think i work at:rolleyes:

[Mattica]

didnt you just flame someone for their use of grammer??You cant even spell Liscense correct...Not only that but what you have are ratings not liscenses.
As a currently rated FI i can tell you that it is not hard to teach someone how to fly.If you gave me two people from an african tribe I could teach one person how to fly in less than 10hrs,while at the same time it would take longer than that to teach them to drive on the streets.I have a 8yr old son and he has the knowledge to pass a INST oral exam.When we fly together he is able to take off and land without any interaction from me.As far as having a BS degree,My brother has a Masters and he is dumber than a tick turd when it comes to common sense.


isn't it License?

[90dfw]

isn't it License?
Probably....but i posted that after having a few celibratory drinks...oh well//

[Scrappy]

1. "The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."

2. I don't think that the hurricane is a REASON to praise God, because he didn't CAUSE it, but praise HIM for his influence on the lives of the people that helped.

(I WENT DOWN to the Reunion Arena to volunteer, and I literally cried when I got there. LINES OF CARS, full of people, men, women, children, that had gathered up office collections, personal collections, and went and bought necessities for these people, or gathered the items at collection points. DAY and NIGHT for 4 FULL days, these wonderful people kept coming, and waited in line until they could make their donations, without wanting a receipt for tax write-offs, or sending a HUGE CHECK for recognition...........and the only reason why they stopped was because they couldn't HOLD ANYMORE DONATIONS!!)

For THIS I praise the Lord for HIS influence, HIS teachings, and that "little voice" that he put in our heads, because without these things, the world would be a MUCH WORSE place...........

3. If I choose to believe that I will be rewarded in heaven for how I live my life on earth, then do I deserve to be bashed on, and people tell me I am wasting my time?? I don't think so.

4. Imagine that I am wrong, and there is no Heaven or Hell..........would my time here be wasted, be lost because I spent my time as a believer? WELL..........It would be wasted no matter HOW I spent it, because I cease to exist!! So if I spend my time worshipping God, at least I was happy when I was here......

It's called free will..........and I believe that God gave this to us as our greatest gift of all........I will use my gift as wisely as I can, and if I am wrong about Heaven, nothing lost......I was happy. But if I am RIGHT......GOODNESS GRACIOUS the everlasting life that I have to look forward to will be worth taking all the flak that non-believers/haters/atheists/etc are giving out........

Great gift for so little a sacrifice..........in my opinion.

[turbostangguy]

I personally have a love/hate relationship with Rita.... Hating leaving but glad I did with my family, already things are much better :) Makes you view things different when you are affected and thanks to those that dont have to experience hardships to help. Some of us have to go through things to realize when to help others... I sat back and watched the first one, and felt bad, then the next one got "us" and I could not sit back anymore.... First time I knew what being thirsty felt like, first time I did not know where to go or what to do next. We showed up at Salvation Army in Arl. and got sent to a church that took us in for the weekend (Lake Arlington Baptist Church) , then a family let us stay with them from the church, stayed there 2 weeks found job, gf transferred hers, and here we are.....
Needless to say we still attend that church and are not know as the evacuees anymore we are part of the family... Everything has been great thank god. So do believe me when I say that your help and prayers do help and touch lives of others... I'm living proof... THANKS AGAIN!!! ;)

[SVT93Style]

I personally have a love/hate relationship with Rita.... Hating leaving but glad I did with my family, already things are much better :) Makes you view things different when you are affected and thanks to those that dont have to experience hardships to help. Some of us have to go through things to realize when to help others... I sat back and watched the first one, and felt bad, then the next one got "us" and I could not sit back anymore.... First time I knew what being thirsty felt like, first time I did not know where to go or what to do next. We showed up at Salvation Army in Arl. and got sent to a church that took us in for the weekend (Lake Arlington Baptist Church) , then a family let us stay with them from the church, stayed there 2 weeks found job, gf transferred hers, and here we are.....
Needless to say we still attend that church and are not know as the evacuees anymore we are part of the family... Everything has been great thank god. So do believe me when I say that your help and prayers do help and touch lives of others... I'm living proof... THANKS AGAIN!!! ;)


Praise God.
Welcome to Texas!

[justinsn95]

you especially can't tell me that all you see around you is just one big huge accident.

not an accident. an eventuality. think man, use your mind. the law of averages says that if given an infinate number of tries, then yeah, at least one of those times the tornado WILL assemble the jet ready to take off. oh and thats LAW of averages. not theory. it's tried and true. no way around it. this law is every bit as proveable as the existance of gravity. in my little exercise, time is the way that the jet is assembled.
given a zillion trillion years, with the tornnado trying every day, the law of averages says, the jet will be assembled at least one time.(maybe more) how do you know that is not this time?

and how do you know there arent other perfect lil worlds just like this one, but with no people on them? back to my law of averages. the universe is so vast, there has to be more than 1. did god create that planet? if so, then why no people on it? cause it does exist, somewhere out there, of that there is no doubt. probably millions of these worlds really. and what if one day, we discover that we are not alone? do all the aliens need to be converted?

[Casper]

not an accident. an eventuality. think man, use your mind. the law of averages says that if given an infinate number of tries, then yeah, at least one of those times the tornado WILL assemble the jet ready to take off. oh and thats LAW of averages. not theory. it's tried and true. no way around it. this law is every bit as proveable as the existance of gravity. in my little exercise, time is the way that the jet is assembled.
given a zillion trillion years, with the tornnado trying every day, the law of averages says, the jet will be assembled at least one time.(maybe more) how do you know that is not this time?

and how do you know there arent other perfect lil worlds just like this one, but with no people on them? back to my law of averages. the universe is so vast, there has to be more than 1. did god create that planet? if so, then why no people on it? cause it does exist, somewhere out there, of that there is no doubt. probably millions of these worlds really. and what if one day, we discover that we are not alone? do all the aliens need to be converted?

Or maybe not. Not all outcomes are equally probable. But what creationists seem to avoid is the distinction between improbability and impossibility, and likewise, that possibility does not mean probability.

[justinsn95]

Or maybe not. Not all outcomes are equally probable. But what creationists seem to avoid is the distinction between improbability and impossibility, and likewise, that possibility does not mean probability.

not equally probable, no. im just sayin, his point on this is not valid due to the law of averages.

[Casper]

Its no use; these are the same people who see jesus on a grilled cheese sandwich and call it a miracle, even if it does look more like Jimi Hendrix smoking a blunt.

The term is called pariedolia, a pattern that only exists in the mind of the observer. the whole intelligent design movement is a collection of these.

[Got5onIt]

I feel all fundamentalist christians should take the time to visit a mental hospital. Not for personal issues but to be exposed to what mental illness can do to humans. Growing up in a Christian home, my doubts surfaced when I entered college. Religion as a whole was put into perspective when I found out my best friend was diagnosed schizophrenic. It has overtaken and destroyed a once promising young life. The man has the most ridiculous illusions and now believes God is talking to him.
How do we know christianity(or any organized religion) was not the result of a human stricken with psychosis? We all know that inbreeding was a fairly common practice in ancient times. Combine that with oppression, poverty, and ignorance and you have the perfect recipe for a mass movement for a messiah.

[LethalInjection]

This will probably be the shortest statement that you'll read but very true......

God gives you the spirit of free will. He gave you the ability to make your own choices, decisions, the think how you want.........

It's your fault you chose the path that's going to send you to Hell...........

Not his!!

[Got5onIt]

This will probably be the shortest statement that you'll read but very true......

God gives you the spirit of free will. He gave you the ability to make your own choices, decisions, the think how you want.........

It's your fault you chose the path that's going to send you to Hell...........

Not his!!

First off, I believe in God. Just not the ridiculous one you've been brainwashed to give your life too. Why am I not surprised that you so quickly pass judgement?

In your eyes God is the beginning and the end. He created all things in existence. So that means, God created evil as well. So how can a God who created evil in this universe condemn his people for doing certain things? A little hypocritical don't you think?

[2k3svt]

first off have you non beleivers every thought that since heaven is supposedly above us and hell is supposedly below us that earh is obviously somewhere inbetween? so does that not mean that satan has some power in the world as well as God?

for those of you that beleive in evolution such as the darwin theory that we came from apes will if that is true then why is there not any species around today that is half man or half ape? isnt it common beleif that there should be something inbetween for something to evolve? I mean a catapillar doesnt magically turn into a butterfly there is a stage where it has to transform.

also for those of you that beleive the bible is made up why would anyone do such a thing? seems like a awful waste of time to write all that if its not true. I mean all of the books go together and never contradict the others... I beileve that the men that wrote the books were just like Gods pencil he told them what to write.

There are many things the bible explains if you read it but I will not type all of that right now...

[DarkWolf]

also for those of you that beleive the bible is made up why would anyone do such a thing? seems like a awful waste of time to write all that if its not true. I mean all of the books go together and never contradict the others... I beileve that the men that wrote the books were just like Gods pencil he told them what to write.

The same thing can be said for the Torah, Qu'Ran (sp), Bhagavad Gita, Vedas, and any other miriad of religious texts. What an incredible waste of time to write something that's fake, yeah? So why would anyone do it?

[poopnut2]

The bible is mans way of coping with what he doesn't understand.

"How did we get here?" - Something must have made us. God. Since man is the most advanced species on Earth, we can't conceive anything higher than man...therefore God must look like man.

"What is the meaning of life?" Since this question cannot be answered logically, the bible gives us a story and a direction to head in life. Be like Christ.

I'm still convinced that Jesus was just a regular man who died for what he believed in.

[Got5onIt]

I'm still convinced that Jesus was just a regular man who died for what he believed in.


Agreed.
I think he may have had a hint of mental instability. :)

[90dfw]

also for those of you that beleive the bible is made up why would anyone do such a thing? seems like a awful waste of time to write all that if its not true. I mean all of the books go together and never contradict the others... I beileve that the men that wrote the books were just like Gods pencil he told them what to write.

There are many things the bible explains if you read it but I will not type all of that right now...
Really? Then way are their stories in the bible about people dying,being killed,ect in the name of religion when the ten comandments state though shalt not kill?

The bible was written by MANY different people over many years.And you believe that there is no possibility that one or more of these people were high or crazy when writing the bible? How about the fact that parts of the bible couldm have been written to keep the people scared and stupid so that they could be easier to control?Kinda like now with Lebanon.The new leader has stated that the holocaust was a fake,since he controls what books they read he controls the people.
All of these wacko's over in the middle east who kill in the name of allah,yet the koran prohibits killing..
Do i believe in GOD-YES,Do i Believe in the Bible-NO NO NO NO!.Do I believe in Heaven-YES,do I believe in HELL-Somewhat.
Why would someone who loves us so much and gave his son for us want to send us to hell just becuase we dont follow every rule in the bible?Doesnt make any sense.
Wouldnt that be the same as you loving your kid but throwing him into a fireplace becuase he didnt mind you?
I believe in god in the upmost but I do not believe in the bible.Maybe if it was written by one person or close group of people instead of people who may or may not have known each other,How do you know these people got it right?

[90dfw]

No contradictions huh??? explain these


1 Who has seen God?
(Gen 18:1) The Lord appeared to Abraham.
(GEN 32:24-30) Jacob saw and wrestled with God
(EX 24:9-11) Moses & 73 elders gazed upon God.
(Exodus 33:11) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(Exodus 33:22-23) God allowed Moses to see his "back parts".
(Deut 34:10) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(IS 6:1-13) Isaiah stood before God and saw him
(Ezekiel 1:27-28) Ezekiel saw God in a vision and described Him in some detail.
(Amos 7:7) Amos saw God.
(John 1:18, 6:46) No one has ever seen God.
(1 TIM6:16) God is un-seeable
(I John 4:12) No one has ever seen God.
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2) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus "And God said, 'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night.... ' "And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.... And the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).

(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars until the fourth day;
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun until the fourth day?; and
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon were yet to be created?
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3.Can I wear long hair and still be "clean?"
(Numbers 6:2-6) Describes the process for being clean in order to consecrate an offering; involves not allowing a razor to come upon his head and letting the locks of his hair grow
(I Corinthians 11:14) Paul preaches that it is a shame for any man to have long hair.
Umm didnt Jesus have long Hair???And isnt god always shown to havee long hair??

Explain these...There are lots more.....
And here is a good one..
4.Can one pray in public?
(Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer.
(I Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
Wouldnt church be considered PUBLIC PRAYER??

5 Forgiveness?
(Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
(Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven.
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Drinking alcohol is acceptable - Deuteronomy 14:26,

John 2:7-11, 1 Timothy 5:23

Drinking alcohol is not acceptable - Proverbs 20:1,

23:31-34, Hosea 20:1

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Like I said the bible was written by many different people who all had different ideas.

[LethalInjection]

First off, I believe in God. Just not the ridiculous one you've been brainwashed to give your life too. Why am I not surprised that you so quickly pass judgement?

In your eyes God is the beginning and the end. He created all things in existence. So that means, God created evil as well. So how can a God who created evil in this universe condemn his people for doing certain things? A little hypocritical don't you think?

Noone is passing judgement. You didnt see the part where I said, "God gives you the spirit of free will" it means the he allows you to think how you want, feel how you want, etc. Of course there is evil, people who do evil things and have evil thoughts do that on their own. God does not put evil thoughts into your mind. Your mind alone allows evil thoughts to enter it.

[DarkWolf]

Noone is passing judgement. You didnt see the part where I said, "God gives you the spirit of free will" it means the he allows you to think how you want, feel how you want, etc. Of course there is evil, people who do evil things and have evil thoughts do that on their own. God does not put evil thoughts into your mind. Your mind alone allows evil thoughts to enter it.

Don't you know there is no free will (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3307628&postcount=96)? You thumpers really should get together, and agree on what it is exactly you believe, so you can at least debate with a consistent mind.

[90dfw]

Don't you know there is no free will (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3307628&postcount=96)? You thumpers really should get together, and agree on what it is exactly you believe, so you can at least debate with a consistent mind.
As i have stated before. Bible thumpers follow the bible to the t WHEN it applies to their situation,issue, or way of thinking.They are about as crazy as these Muslim terrorists..Didnt The holy roller Pat robinson say someone should be assasinated recently??Yea--Real good christian there....

[TOWAR]

Did any of that bring a house to those who lost one? NO!
Did any of that help anyones life who was ruined get better...NO.....!
It's great you look at life as a huge Fantacy, but the reality is God hates you any everyone else!
To think that an omnipresent God would allow a flood to occur only to hope that the devistation/murder of his creation "makes" people believe in him and worship him is insane at best.
There is no good from this tragidy in N.O. None.
This is like saying that there is good in a All out World nuclear war just because a few people survived. BS
Seriously think about what you are saying and believing in...........it's not real.
Humans are scum when left unchecked and un-controlled.
God isn't real, but the idea of "godly ways" are in your heart as well as mine.
Thats the whole point of religion and or spiritualality.......to finally realize this while at the same time transforming your soul into a Godlike state of awareness.

Praying does nothing but make you feel better about you being alive and in good health compared to others. It's self ritiousness and wrong. You are putting yourself in front of others by praying for them. It only helps you not feel so bad, not them.


Here's some reality........65% of those displaced never had anything to begin with anyways. They never will. They will go back to the same welfare type of life as soon as everything calms down there. Giving to takers only makes more takers.
Akso the bible says that charity done "in mass" is wrong and evil. If you want to give, do it personally.

If I could really make myself believe that there was no God I could have it all.I could lie,cheat,steal,kill.on and on and on.I would just take what ever I wanted.Gut people I didn't need who got in my way like soul-less wastes of space.So either you don't really believe what you are saying and are searching for something or you are missing out on a rich life with no rules and no boundries that is just waiting for you to be the master of it all.GOOD LUCK TOO YA