Mustangs that turn corners...... [Archive]

aggie97

08-22-2005, 09:54 PM

Well, I learned the new meaning of "no fear" this weekend. For all of you drag racers, I will tell you there is no scarier feeling than diving into turn 1 at Texas world speedway at 130 mph and hoping the brakes work and you can actually make the 180 degree turn at speeds approaching 90 because it is a fast and flat bitch!! Road Racing is where the rush is at!!!!

Anyway, just wanted to share the fun I had this weekend at the NASA event down there. Dropped a full 2.5 seconds off my previous best lap and started approaching the times of the top 5 American Iron qualifying times in a car that is 200 pounds over weight and underpowered with a mod motor! :cool: Got some great videos of real estate going by at a HIGH rate of speed and even shot one session out the rear window. Pretty wild and hairy stuff.

Highlights of the weekend were no mechanical failures, better lap times, got my student book signed off and as soon as I finish the car, I can start racecraft toward my comp license and run the races on Sundays. This might just be the final motivation I needed to finally finish the car.

Anyway, straight line racing is for pussies and have a nice day!!! :D

propellerhead

08-22-2005, 10:15 PM

What is this "brakes" that you speak of?

FST FOX

08-22-2005, 10:45 PM

I started road racing 2 years ago and love it my first time was at MSR and have been to several tracks since

RyanB

08-22-2005, 10:51 PM

"Mustangs that turn corners..." LOL

Is this another post whore thread for you and AcidPete :)?

Glad to hear you're still learning the car and the track(s). I want video!

-RyanB

Brain_Mach1

08-22-2005, 10:55 PM

What is this "brakes" that you speak of?

It's that thing to the left of the gas pedal you use when the chute doesn't open. :D

aggie97

08-22-2005, 11:15 PM

"Mustangs that turn corners..." LOL

Is this another post whore thread for you and AcidPete :)?

Glad to hear you're still learning the car and the track(s). I want video!

-RyanB

The small one is uploading now.......90meg.

Others are going to be huge....probably in the 180meg range. Going to see how to knock them down a little. The video looking out the rear glass is pretty cool and the sound.....mmmmm good!!

And no, this want be the Matt and Darren show. You and MattB can Chime in too!

biggest fun of the entire weekend was continuously lapping a $120k porsche and just about every car there in the DE and time trials. Only two I never got to pass was a VERY nice 04 M3 on R tires and a black firehawk with 505rwhp.....only reason I didn't pass him is that he went home on a trailer but he was only turning 2:02's..... :D

video should be done in about 20 minutes... www.aggie97.com/2b.wmv

FastFord19

08-22-2005, 11:47 PM

just watched the video, looks real fun.

musclestang89

08-22-2005, 11:51 PM

congrats man, sounds like your having alot of fun doing that. Good luck with it

90orangeconv

08-23-2005, 12:05 AM

damn thats some nice drivin, looks like alot of fun, just gotta say those are cool gloves!!!!

turbocody

08-23-2005, 12:15 AM

aggie97

08-23-2005, 12:26 AM

road racing is cool and all but i have to say that going from 0-60 in less than 4sec is a RUSH! drag racing is what i do best and i will stick with that. but everyone likes different things for a rush.

I would say I could do 0-60 in around 4.5......

I used to drag race a lot and it just got old only having 20 seconds of rush, pull two shifts and go back to the pits....Ok, 3 shifts in the 1/4. This is 2 minutes a lap and you do it for 20-30 minutes at a time!!! You are freaking exhausted when you get out of the car.

Interesting note of the weekend. Having camped at the track I was only in an air conditioned area other than my truck for about 2 hours from Friday at noon to Sunday at 10pm........I lost 8 pounds of body mass!!!! No wonder my fucking pants nearly fell of this morning!!!

jakesford

08-23-2005, 12:45 AM

nice vid... looks like fun

RyanB

08-23-2005, 12:58 AM

I would say I could do 0-60 in around 4.5......

I used to drag race a lot and it just got old only having 20 seconds of rush, pull two shifts and go back to the pits....Ok, 3 shifts in the 1/4. This is 2 minutes a lap and you do it for 20-30 minutes at a time!!! You are freaking exhausted when you get out of the car.

Interesting note of the weekend. Having camped at the track I was only in an air conditioned area other than my truck for about 2 hours from Friday at noon to Sunday at 10pm........I lost 8 pounds of body mass!!!! No wonder my fucking pants nearly fell of this morning!!!

HAHA fat bastard! Now you car is only 192 lbs over class weight. I personally would have pulled a 49er Lineman and been done like dinner.

Labora

08-23-2005, 01:28 AM

Wow you look to be FLYING in that video!

Cheezebandit

08-23-2005, 01:47 AM

man I wish i had the money for racing like that ....

aggie97

08-23-2005, 11:07 AM

HAHA fat bastard! Now you car is only 192 lbs over class weight. I personally would have pulled a 49er Lineman and been done like dinner.

Well, class minimum is 2950 with driver. don't ever see me getting there considering I am 245lbs!!! Probably going to settle with a race weight of about 3200lbs and just build enough power to keep up.

Cooter

08-23-2005, 11:36 AM

I don't know if I could resist the urge to get under that porche's ass and spin him out! LOL!

Andrew

08-23-2005, 12:26 PM

Zarathustra

08-23-2005, 12:39 PM

Try 0-60 in a second and a half! :D

:D

aggie97

08-23-2005, 12:46 PM

Try 0-60 in a second and a half! :D

Well, finish your car and toss me the keys!!! ;)

Darren M

08-23-2005, 12:55 PM

Looks pretty good Mat! Was that Adam G. in front of you in the Fox body? Have you ever experienced throttle OFF rear over stear? Looks like there's a few turns where you jumped off the throttle throwing the rear out a bit. Is that your "style" or what?
Nice job on the in traffic crap, the Porsche and (assumed) GTI looked like they were both quite confused on what they were supposed to be doing. What run group was this?

46Tbird

08-23-2005, 01:04 PM

You need to compress that video! I ain't downloading 90MB at work. :D

Moz

08-23-2005, 03:58 PM

I used to drag race a lot and it just got old only having 20 seconds of rush,

I'd get bored too if I it took me 20 seconds to get down the track..... J/K :D

Sounds badass. Congrats on the good showing.

Art G

08-23-2005, 04:19 PM

Kick Ass sign me up!!!

aggie97

08-23-2005, 06:45 PM

Looks pretty good Mat! Was that Adam G. in front of you in the Fox body? Have you ever experienced throttle OFF rear over stear? Looks like there's a few turns where you jumped off the throttle throwing the rear out a bit. Is that your "style" or what?

Group was DE 3&4.....some where good and some should not have been there.

as for the throttle lift overstear, this is something new with the new rear shocks. It snuck up on me a couple of times and basically in that vid, I had John George all over my ass in an 05 GT and I was probably pushing harder than needed. Tires were also getting a little greasy as I had a nice big slide in the first half of that session.

Darren M

08-23-2005, 08:37 PM

This is where I find myself currently. Obviously you have the MUCH better car. However, with out the TA I experienced TLOS my during my first HPDE w/ the PHB and other rear goodies. Including bilstein's all the way around. The only way I could cope with it was to either "use it" or lift smoother and apply the brake at the same time. A psuedo rpm match w/o the down shift. I'm sure there's other ways to resolve it. But most/all revolve around smoother releases, I would assume..... Sliding is fun, but it ain't fast. ;) Unfortunately I'm more into having fun. LOL So who's doing your nascar bars and we do we get to cut the car up in the name of weight savings?? ;)

propellerhead

08-23-2005, 09:28 PM

I just saw the video. Damn that looks like fun. I don't think my car would hold up though. Straight line drag racing seems more forgiving on the car.

Labora

08-23-2005, 09:35 PM

I just saw the video. Damn that looks like fun. I don't think my car would hold up though. Straight line drag racing seems more forgiving on the car.

Might be until you smack a wall...Then again not much better then smacking another car while passing/racing or totally missing a braking zone and flying into god knows what.

<-- Still wants to do it. :D

Darren M

08-23-2005, 09:45 PM

Actually the level Aggie97 is running is pretty high. A single season in the entry level run groups and/or autocross participation don't do NEARLY the damage a season of equal drag racing does. The trick at HPDE is smoothness. 1/4 mile is anything but. There's very little "shock" to the system, so to speak, in HPDE/AX compared to drag racing. High RPM's and heat, sure. But nothing like the 4500 rpm clutch dumps some may attempt/practice. The items most used in corner events are brakes and tires. Well that and springs and shocks. However, springs and shocks are just doing what they were intended to do. More cycles than a normal day in the city?? I doubt it. (I have no facts to back this up, just thinking about pot holes, start/stops, etc.)

There's a good subject for a thread. What's more detrimental to a vehicle a season of AX, OT, or 1/8, 1/4 mile drag racing. (Open road racers need not apply.) :D

Murph Tang

08-23-2005, 09:53 PM

damn somebody plan a day at MSR.....I'm a jones-in'!!!!

aggie97

08-24-2005, 10:41 AM

damn somebody plan a day at MSR.....I'm a jones-in'!!!!

November NASA DE event will be at MSR. I will be there and I am starting to think about finishing the safety equipment so I can do the racecraft group for the weekend. I just need to get the car up in the air and find out what needs fixing or got used up at this event.

Darren, don't know on the cage yet. From what I heard this weekend, Chromoly is frowned upon for strength and "cheating". JamesB had given me a very reasonable price for a chromoly cage but I think I am going to stick with DOM steel tubing. The problem is figuring out a target dry vehicle weight is going to be because it will affect the size of the tubing and James can only do one size right now or he would have to buy the new die set. There are a few builders in the area I can go to if I need to. Also, not sold on the Nascar bars because I saw a few designs this weekend that I might like better but ultimately don't want to sacrifice safety for a few dollars.

As for weight savings, I still need to do the block, remove the heater core/blower motor, gut the dash, remove sound deadening, gut the inner door structures (windows are gone), and I am considering Lexan. There were several drivers this weekend that replaced windshields after the previous event only to break them again this weekend. The crack in mine continues to grow but you save like 20 lbs from the lexan. I guess my goal for now is to get the car down below 3000# dry and start working on the handling. I most certainly will have to do the through the floor subs soon as the door gaps are getting f'd up. Even with the Kenny Brown Super Subs, the car is flexing quite a lot.

It's also time to start shopping for an effective Wing for rear downforce. I watched some video of John George's car and the rear is STUCK. I know they look hideous but it's going to be necessary now and might cure that oversteer problem!!! ;)

Darren M

08-24-2005, 11:12 AM

Andrew

08-24-2005, 11:15 AM

Darren, don't know on the cage yet. From what I heard this weekend, Chromoly is frowned upon for strength and "cheating". JamesB had given me a very reasonable price for a chromoly cage but I think I am going to stick with DOM steel tubing. The problem is figuring out a target dry vehicle weight is going to be because it will affect the size of the tubing and James can only do one size right now or he would have to buy the new die set. There are a few builders in the area I can go to if I need to. Also, not sold on the Nascar bars because I saw a few designs this weekend that I might like better but ultimately don't want to sacrifice safety for a few dollars.

James has a second die set now... not sure if it's the size you need though.

aggie97

08-24-2005, 11:31 AM

Time to introduce you to Chad. Search over on Corner carvers for a thread by Lewis Tanner about what all he did in his porno red interior sn95 car. The sound deadener is a bitch to remove, from what I've read. You are not sailing through uncharted waters here. You just don't know where to look for the charts. ;) Cc.com will save you TONs of time as many have "been there done that". Time to step up and get an account w/ them and read, read, read. If you need any help feel free to give me a ring. Air chisel, torch, mig, etc if you need them. Oh yeah, and some extra elbow grease. :)

I have all the tools necessary to get it out and I have been to CC some. Not a lot because for some reason I can't activate my damn account but I will send Ginsberg an email when I get a chance. I think he is a mod over there. I need to sell a bunch of stuff anyway and since it ain't free here anymore, it's either ebay or some other avenue.

what I need to do is get the car up on jackstands, buy a bunch of beer and pizza and start calling in all my favors for help. It might look like a nascar pit crew crawling all over it but it will get things done!

I started making a list last night of all the crap I need to do and it is rather long. I think I am going to put the motor on hold for now and concentrate on the cage, window net, weight reduction (me and car), rear wing, rear brakes, front Koni's, and the worst part cost wise, the driver suit and helmet. also need new harnesses as mine expire this year.

Time to make nice with the wife and spend some coin I guess? :confused:

Murph Tang

08-24-2005, 11:34 AM

November NASA DE event will be at MSR. I will be there and I am starting to think about finishing the safety equipment so I can do the racecraft group for the weekend. I just need to get the car up in the air and find out what needs fixing or got used up at this event.

sounds like fun. 6 track sessions for $200 is good plus $40 for membership.

Hope they don't put me in a novice group. It was painful for a couple of sessions at TWS trying to get pass a higher horsepower car gunning on the straight aways but slower in the turns.

aggie97

08-24-2005, 11:48 AM

sounds like fun. 6 track sessions for $200 is good plus $40 for membership.

Hope they don't put me in a novice group. It was painful for a couple of sessions at TWS trying to get pass a higher horsepower car gunning on the straight aways but slower in the turns.

Look into the time trials.....goes out in DE 3-4 group and you get 8 sessions with a transponder. also a chance for a trophy! Had I done it this weekend I would have taken 1st in TT-1 group....which was a pretty fast group!!

Adam Ginsberg

08-24-2005, 03:34 PM

The small one is uploading now.......90meg. www.aggie97.com/2b.wmv (http://www.aggie97.com/2b.wmv)

That's not a video. This (http://www.shrackracing.com/video/2005/sun-tws-highlights.mpg) is a road race video. ;)

aggie97

08-24-2005, 06:13 PM

That's not a video. This (http://www.shrackracing.com/video/2005/sun-tws-highlights.mpg) is a road race video. ;)

both videos can attempt to wet the whistles of the typical DFWstanger and try to sway them away from drag racing!

Anyway, continuing on Darren's suggestion about CC.com...can you activate my account? same username. Last time I checked it I wasn't able to post but looking on the site today I was able to browse as a guest and do searches so I can atleast do some research.

One thing of interst Adam, I noticed several "styles" of driver side door bars this weekend and I liked one in particular...Scott Smiths SN95 CMC car. I liked that setup as a cross between the Nascar bars and X. Would it just be a better idea to do the Nascar bars as they are more generally accepted across multiple sanctioning bodies? I am taking into consideration safety, cost, ease of ingress/egress and eventually the ability to sell the car and move up. I have been jones'n for a late 90's trans am car or IMSA GTU big block car from the early 90's.......BUT, I have to start somewhere simple first!!

Darren M

08-24-2005, 08:26 PM

aggie97

08-24-2005, 08:55 PM

Great driving Adam. Thanks for the video. Can't wait for the write up.

Matt, make sure you read the Wiki board at CC.com and don't expect a warm welcome. Just because you know a mod doesn't mean dick over there. Take the time to read the forum stickies and for all that is Holy ask Adam to approve the FS ads before you post them. However, the ads here are still free. And to quote Chris, "Have been and always will be..."

When you need that pit crew let me know. ;)

I read most all of that shit two years ago I think....I am sure most of it has changed and I already know about the "warm" newbie welcomes. Probably the reason I just cruise in an back out un-noticed.

Anyway, back to figuring out how to finish the silver slut!

If it weren't so damn far for you to drive to come help out I would have already have asked....maybe I can make it worth your while by letting you go home with those Hoosiers in payment?!! ;)

Super Coupe

08-24-2005, 10:26 PM

That car is so bad azz. It's got to feel great to woop up on porches, z06s, and all those other high dollar cars in a Mustang gt. Props! And yes road racing is where it's at bottom line.

aggie97

08-24-2005, 10:32 PM

That car is so bad azz. It's got to feel great to woop up on porches, z06s, and all those other high dollar cars in a Mustang gt. Props! And yes road racing is where it's at bottom line.

Yes it feels great...however, put someone who can actually drive those cars at the limit on R tires and the slut would be trailing FAR behind......probably the reason i want an 06' Z06 so bad....... :o

Adam Ginsberg

08-24-2005, 10:34 PM

One thing of interst Adam, I noticed several "styles" of driver side door bars this weekend and I liked one in particular...Scott Smiths SN95 CMC car. I liked that setup as a cross between the Nascar bars and X.

Contact me offline to discuss cage construction.

adam AT NOSPAM dot shrackracing DOT com ( remove NOSPAM and the dot ).

92Notch

08-24-2005, 10:45 PM

how much time do you think u will knock off if you went to an irs setup?

openroadracer3

08-24-2005, 10:50 PM

aggie97 - i agree with what you are saying. i have been researching that NASA event for a while and i'm thinking about getting into it next year.

have you thought about running the big bend open road race?? we are running this october as well as each april. it's on the open highway and it is a blast! it's not that hard on your car.

wow! just watched the video........ you were flying!! nice job of saving it those couple times. :) hell at big bend, you may want to run in the 140 group .... anything slower would be boring after a run like that!!

the website if you want to check it out is www.bborr.com

it's a little more pricey than the NASA event though.

2cammer97

08-24-2005, 10:56 PM

glad you're having fun Matt. I'd love to come out to an event with you sometime but the '90 LX will need some more work first. I can't afford to drag race or autox. I guess that what happens when you're a newlywed with a house payment. :confused:

Marcus

doopie

08-24-2005, 11:00 PM

Matt contact David Bell in Roanoke at the municipal airport off of 1171. if you need his number I will head up there and get it this week he is a fabricator for Shelby so you should be satisfied with the work he does. He builds a lot of OpenRoad Racing cars and setups for locals and exotics. Reasonable rates and loves help.

Looks like you had a blast....

Did you end up breaking anything expensive besides tires and pads?

Darren M

08-24-2005, 11:32 PM

I read most all of that shit two years ago I think....I am sure most of it has changed and I already know about the "warm" newbie welcomes. Probably the reason I just cruise in an back out un-noticed.

Anyway, back to figuring out how to finish the silver slut!

If it weren't so damn far for you to drive to come help out I would have already have asked....maybe I can make it worth your while by letting you go home with those Hoosiers in payment?!! ;)
Don't give it a thought. I'm more than happy to help. I might need a couch to crash on, depending upon hours, but honestly the distance (as long as we're VERY productive) isn't an issue. Matter of fact I welcome the experience. :)

how much time do you think u will knock off if you went to an irs setup?
This is a very good subject. There are many arguements for the IRS vs TA and PHB that he has. There's weight arguements, transfer arguements, cost arguements, etc. It all boils down to what the driver is used to handling. Matt does a great job, IMNSHO, at keeping the silver slut going forward with some over stear and the TA. However, another driver would/could preferr the refined capabilities of the IRS even though he/she may be giving up a few pounds to the hardware. It's all what you're used to. Until he runs with an IRS at the same power and grip level I'd be VERY suprised if he could manage a comparison.

Have an IRS you'd like to test with???? :D (Already acting like a crew cheif....) :)

As far as that open road racing is concerned........ Damn. Just DAMN. Matt DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, go open road racing!!! We'll never see you in door to door action. I promise!!! :D I like to think of it as a 150mph autocross course that isn't very forgiving. ;)
Hats off to Open Road Racers. The attige of balls of steel or brains of...... REALLY applies here. I won't be attending any time soon. :D Watch vids? YOU BET!!! SHOW ME ANOTHER 200 MPH Cobra!!!

PerformanceRed4.6GT

08-25-2005, 08:38 AM

Matt and Darren. When are yall gonna come back to this shit hole town and give me another ride?

Darren M

08-25-2005, 08:47 AM

September 20th. Night autocross! :D Check out the LSC BWM (http://www.lscbmwcca.org/) website for the schedule.

PerformanceRed4.6GT

08-25-2005, 08:50 AM

September 20th. Night autocross! :D Check out the LSC BWM (http://www.lscbmwcca.org/) website for the schedule.

Awesome. You gonna be there Matt?

What is yall's beer of choice?

92Notch

08-25-2005, 09:13 AM

This is a very good subject. There are many arguements for the IRS vs TA and PHB that he has. There's weight arguements, transfer arguements, cost arguements, etc. It all boils down to what the driver is used to handling. Matt does a great job, IMNSHO, at keeping the silver slut going forward with some over stear and the TA. However, another driver would/could preferr the refined capabilities of the IRS even though he/she may be giving up a few pounds to the hardware. It's all what you're used to. Until he runs with an IRS at the same power and grip level I'd be VERY suprised if he could manage a comparison.

Have an IRS you'd like to test with???? :D (Already acting like a crew cheif....) :)

As far as that open road racing is concerned........ Damn. Just DAMN. Matt DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, go open road racing!!! We'll never see you in door to door action. I promise!!! :D I like to think of it as a 150mph autocross course that isn't very forgiving. ;)
Hats off to Open Road Racers. The attige of balls of steel or brains of...... REALLY applies here. I won't be attending any time soon. :D Watch vids? YOU BET!!! SHOW ME ANOTHER 200 MPH Cobra!!!no i dont have an irs he could test with, i was talking with a friend about road racing and that question popped up. i would try to get into it if it were not so dang expensive. my dad used to autocross in the late 70s through the early 90s with a vw scirocco :D This car was 1990lbs curb weight but only 86hp lol

Darren M

08-25-2005, 09:20 AM

Hey Matt. How'd you handle the heat while on track? Any plans for a cool shirt?

Adam, if you're still reading this, did your cool shirt setup work?

aggie97

08-25-2005, 09:34 AM

how much time do you think u will knock off if you went to an irs setup?

Add about 3 seconds.....the IRS has not yet proven competitive.

aggie97

08-25-2005, 09:39 AM

Hey Matt. How'd you handle the heat while on track? Any plans for a cool shirt?

Adam, if you're still reading this, did your cool shirt setup work?

I did fine but wasn't wearing the 3 layer suit. A note from the weekend though.....I lost 7 pounds from thursday weigh in to monday morning AND that was after I drank about 2 gallons of water Sunday night. My pants nearly fell off monday and I had to go to the next notch on my belt to keep them up.

What saved my ass was a box fan in the pits and the covered garages. I am buying a helmet with a duct and one of my quarter windows is going to become a naca duct with a hose to the helmet. All in all it wasn't bad but I know the guys in the fire suits came off track fucking soaked....

san408

08-25-2005, 09:43 AM

Darren M

08-25-2005, 11:16 AM

I did fine but wasn't wearing the 3 layer suit. A note from the weekend though.....I lost 7 pounds from thursday weigh in to monday morning AND that was after I drank about 2 gallons of water Sunday night. My pants nearly fell off monday and I had to go to the next notch on my belt to keep them up.

What saved my ass was a box fan in the pits and the covered garages. I am buying a helmet with a duct and one of my quarter windows is going to become a naca duct with a hose to the helmet. All in all it wasn't bad but I know the guys in the fire suits came off track fucking soaked....
I need to get a bigger helmet. I have this one...
http://www.thebellstore.com/images/Auto/VortexFA.jpg (http://www.thebellstore.com/Auto/ultra.html)
If you're interested you're more than welcome to try it on and we can talk about the price. I've never worn it with out a balaclava so it's not funky or anything. :D Hell I won't even charge extra for the SUCK IT! and CC.com stickers. :eek:

As far as the heat is concerned...... Don't go and buy a COOL shirt setup just yet. I might have something for ya. ;) Also, the NACA duct is a good idea but you'll need more volume than what it will pull in, in my opinion.
Something like this.....
http://store1.yimg.com/I/saferacer_1859_23500396 (http://www.saferacer.com/sidekickblower.html)
Note: Click the pics for links to their respective sites.

aggie97

08-25-2005, 11:43 AM

Aggie97, who's '05 Gt was John driving? I've known him for over twenty years. He's gotten us drag racers out to Hallet a couple of times. I've ridden in his car and you're right, it is a major rush. Too bad it's too late to change my mind. ;)

Skip Smith's 05'....He has a bondurant AI car and his son drives a teal CMC SN95.

Darren, I am looking at the Gforce AERO primarily for the HANS mounting points and the new Snell 2005 standard. Got to get the money's worth on this one.

LINCOLN BOY

08-25-2005, 12:41 PM

THIS........is fun
http://www.bborr.com/home.html

ProStarPony

08-25-2005, 12:54 PM

aggie97

08-25-2005, 08:36 PM

Matt, vids look SWEET! And yet again, your are helping me not feel soo bad about getting rid of my drag setup and get that thing hugging corners... Now I cant wait to help you put in those wood screws........ cause I am going to blow your doors clean off!! :D :D

Joel

Bring it on cause if you ain't got the balls, turn one at TWS will make you it's bitch!!! only pussies run 2:00 plus there. :D

You have atleast seen the light that drag racing is for the birds. There are so many aspects to a good lap on course that it keeps you busy ALL the time for 20-30 minutes at a time.

I will say this much about the AI/CMC group. There is not a closer knit, better group of racers I have EVER come across and the group is only getting larger. I want to say there were 26 cars on the starting grid this weekend and there are several more in the build process waiting to join. Pretty soon we will see 40 car fields which rivals a Nascar start. This group is going places and the racing is GOOD!!! A damn good show to see and be a part of!

Super Coupe

08-25-2005, 09:15 PM

I have a few friends that run their bikes on that track and if you get under a 2:00 that is pretty stinkin fast especially in a car. I think I could run about a 2:05 on that track first time out there just jugding by what some of my buddies turn.

openroadracer3

08-25-2005, 10:02 PM

As far as that open road racing is concerned........ Damn. Just DAMN. Matt DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, go open road racing!!! We'll never see you in door to door action. I promise!!! :D I like to think of it as a 150mph autocross course that isn't very forgiving. ;)
Hats off to Open Road Racers. The attige of balls of steel or brains of...... REALLY applies here. I won't be attending any time soon. :D Watch vids? YOU BET!!! SHOW ME ANOTHER 200 MPH Cobra!!!

unforgiving?? i have been doing big bend for 3 years and the only damage anyone has sustained has been a few broken windshields from slow reacting buzzards. i have a buddy that runs his 98 cobra in the 135MPH class with 3:73's in the rearend with no probs. he runs BBORR each year as well as all of the nevada races. he runs synthetic lubes changes them in the off season and has absolutely no mechanical or any other problems in the 7 years he has been doing it. you are allowed to carry a navigator that keeps up with coarse notes, your speed, times...etc. if you are serious about winning, your navigator is as important as the driver. this year, there was a guy there that after 118 miles, he averaged his target speed of 120MPH dead on. these folks are seriously good at speeds of 140+.

the most important thing about ORR is tires, tires and then tires. if your tires can handle those speeds for 50-60 miles, then you're ok.

there has to be some reason that ORR is on rise as far as popularity and entries. the silver state classic has been going through some administration probs and entries are down because of politics and everyone hates mike borders... :rolleyes: but that is a unique isolated situation there..

anyways, check it out... and if you like it.. do it... if not... don't. just thought i would suggest it. :cool:

Adam Ginsberg

08-26-2005, 08:38 AM

Adam, if you're still reading this, did your cool shirt setup work?

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get it hooked up in time. http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif However, that won't happen again. It should be ready by Hallett.

For those that don't know, I've been piddling with my own DIY cool suit setup using an old DonJoy medical setup.

aggie97

08-26-2005, 08:47 AM

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get it hooked up in time. http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif However, that won't happen again. It should be ready by Hallett.

For those that don't know, I've been piddling with my own DIY cool suit setup using an old DonJoy medical setup.

Keep us posted on that because after last weekend and then 6 hours on the golf course yesterday afternoon, I have GOT to find a better way of keeping cool in the heat....although I did have the best game of golf in my life!!! Dropped from a best of 104 to an 88 from the tournament T's on a 6500+ yard course. I drained 5 35 foot puts that were freaking amazing and eagled my final hole.

sorry to change over to golf but I was damn impressed yesterday.

Darren M

08-26-2005, 09:39 AM

unforgiving??

As in an "off" or compared to hitting a cone in autocross. I think you read my post wrong. The only reason I suggested against ORR to Matt was I didn't want to loose him to the sport. ;) I've followed ORR for a few years now from various posts and websites. I've yet to be able to attend an event, much less participate, and I can already tell it would be 10 times as addictive, for me, as HPDE/OT. Not to mention the door to door stuff Adam speaks of. I harbor no ill feelings towards ORR and frankly feel like I would much rather be running that vs OT or door to door racing. ;) Hats off to those that do run in ORR events. I have a favor to ask. If you can post up some threads, like this one, for ORR. I thoroughly enjoy reading about it. :)

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get it hooked up in time. http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif However, that won't happen again. It should be ready by Hallett.

For those that don't know, I've been piddling with my own DIY cool suit setup using an old DonJoy medical setup.

Adam, I've got a plan to expound on your little project. When done I'll be posting my results and would be more than happy to show you the end product and get you in touch with the people that made it happen.

Keep us posted on that because after last weekend and then 6 hours on the golf course yesterday afternoon, I have GOT to find a better way of keeping cool in the heat

Ahem....

As far as the heat is concerned...... Don't go and buy a COOL shirt setup just yet. I might have something for ya. ;)

aggie97

08-26-2005, 10:05 AM

Ahem....

I am also not opposed to shoving a cold pack in my suit to cool me down! Far cheaper and there is always the cold bottle of water.

Anyway.......

bobs94formula

08-27-2005, 09:24 AM

Matt great vid once again!When you ready to buy your suit check out Smiley's they have lots of them instock so you can try them on.

Adam your vid was awesome too. I really thought you were going to run right over that yellow coupe!!!

Man this stuff makes me want to go door to door racing too, just wish I wasn't so broke at the moment ;).

Bob

doopie

08-27-2005, 12:43 PM

video should be done in about 20 minutes... www.aggie97.com/2b.wmv

Where did the video go? I went to go download nad save and it no there senor....

aggie97

08-27-2005, 03:22 PM

Where did the video go? I went to go download nad save and it no there senor....

Fucking shitty ass web hosting service is down again....not to mention my regular email connection to the world.

In the process of changing host providers as I am fucking sick of this shit. Been happening every other month and it goes down for days....not just hours or minutes.

Found one that is pretty cool but need to do research on it first. Looks like they are using the same shitty host software so I may have just scratched them off the list.

Any suggestions?

Super Coupe

08-27-2005, 03:33 PM

What is ORR? Is it like autocross with cones but big?

aggie97

08-27-2005, 03:41 PM

What is ORR? Is it like autocross with cones but big?

They basically shut down 50-100 miles of highway out in the desert and run time trials flat out.....usually about 1-2 minutes between cars in different mph run groups from 90mph to 170+......can be pretty hairy.

Darren M

08-28-2005, 09:11 AM

openroadracer3

08-28-2005, 11:08 PM

Here's a quick explaination from the Silver State Classic website (http://www.silverstateclassic.com/flatout.htm). It's a bit more than time trials. Think bracket racing over 50 miles. If you brake out you loose, if you go to slow you loose. Trick is to hit your estimated average of one of many groups. 100 mph, 120, 130, etc, up to the unlimited class that I believe is for all out speed. Who can cover that road in the least amount of time. A few years ago there was a red 98 Cobra that was the fastest "Mustang" in the world. He had a video out that showed "life at 200mph" it was surreal. Videos of these runs are rare to come across, or at least I've not found many. There's an event in Texas out in the Big Bend area. Matter of fact it's called BIG BEND OPEN ROAD RACE (http://www.bborr.com/). Looks like a race in October has been setup.
{Must resist, can not afford another addiction, must resist.... :D}

Edit: I THINK it was a '98 Cobra, could be wrong about that. It's been a whlie.

yeah pete, we are running the october race too. i'll PM my cell number to you and i can tell you all about ORR. BBORR runs each april on HWY 285 and the inaugural(sp?) RRORR runs this october on HWY 385. the RRORR is quite a bit shorter in distance and it is a bit straighter. the april race has the corners through the cut-throughs that are bad-ass. a few are S-turns through the cuts.

the best thing to do is enter a slower class in your first event.... like around 90-100 MPH. the texas races work like this. you select your target speed example 100MPH and that is the speed you want to avereage. and you have a tech speed of 124MPH. you get DQ'd if you go faster than your tech speed.... here's the trick though. if you don't care about placing, stay under your tech on the first leg and then go balls to the wall on your return leg. they won't stop you for going over your tech, but they wll DQ you and not let you start the second leg if you tech out on the first leg. make sense? i think i confused myself :confused: :D

we just need more fords there..... corvettes usually make up 40-50 percent of the entries.

openroadracer3

08-28-2005, 11:15 PM

http://www.bborr.com/2003/race/pre-race/Fort%20shots%20088.jpg
http://www.bborr.com/2003/parade/Image076.jpg

last year... they devoted a page to us :p i am the guy mooning the white cobra.
http://www.bborr.com/2004/gate17.html

it is an absolute blast and they treat you like royalty out there. it's one of the best motorsport events i have ever participated in.

Darren M

08-28-2005, 11:26 PM

I've started another thread, click here (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3088607#post3088607), that will keep THIS thread in line a bit, I hope. Please add your 2¢, pics, vids, etc. While I'm sure there will be very few DFW Stangers that participate you MIGHT get one or two of us....... {DAMN YOU!! I CAN BARELY AFFORD AX!!! ;)}

Is this another post whore thread for you and AcidPete :)?
You were saying. ;)

openroadracer3

08-28-2005, 11:46 PM

oops...sorry aggie. you have one free pass to crash one of my threads. :o

08-29-2005, 09:32 AM

You have atleast seen the light that drag racing is for the birds. There are so many aspects to a good lap on course that it keeps you busy ALL the time for 20-30 minutes at a time.

Ding Ding Ding! 20-30 minutes > 10-12 seconds.

08-29-2005, 10:20 AM

That's not a video. This (http://www.shrackracing.com/video/2005/sun-tws-highlights.mpg) is a road race video. ;)
Good video except for the music.

Adam Ginsberg

08-29-2005, 10:33 PM

Good video except for the music.

Poor audio editing, or bad music?

08-30-2005, 01:21 PM

Poor audio editing, or bad music?
I really don't want any music. I'd rather hear the engine.

aggie97

08-30-2005, 08:30 PM

I am loving it. This guy was at TWS for the DE/TT and he is now selling his vette for a real race car......I passed him in practically every session. I wonder if getting passed by a mustang made him want to sell his Vette?!! That would be so cool!!!

Anyway, he is claiming to have run 1:56's and he had a transponder so.....maybe I did better than I thought?!! WHOOP!!!

Linky.... http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6273

doopie

08-30-2005, 09:21 PM

aggie97

08-30-2005, 09:38 PM

Is that you behind him a couple of cars with the holes in the hood ;)

doopie

Yeah, I went ahead and made a couple holes for when this shortblock blows up!!! ;)

Labora

08-30-2005, 09:49 PM

Wow that driver was glued on the yellows car ass till he went off track. :O

Adam Ginsberg

08-30-2005, 09:56 PM

I really don't want any music. I'd rather hear the engine.

Ah....understood. My kinda guy. ;)

BTW....got Ferrari???

http://www.shrackracing.com/2005/events/04-august-tws/images/got-ferrari.jpg

Darren M

08-31-2005, 01:18 AM

Is that the same F-car that had the big off at MSR in May? That's a great picture Adam. Should be titled something like "You'd better run fucker. I'm going to catch you though." :D

RyanB

08-31-2005, 02:17 AM

You were saying. ;)

I'm clairvoyant!

2 Weeks in advance, suckas. Darren or Matt, if you need anything or are going anywhere on a turny-turn basis, let me know! I'm sick, you hear.....SICK.

-RyanB

aggie97

08-31-2005, 09:14 PM

I'm clairvoyant!

2 Weeks in advance, suckas. Darren or Matt, if you need anything or are going anywhere on a turny-turn basis, let me know! I'm sick, you hear.....SICK.

-RyanB

MSR in november...5th I think? Night AX with the lscbmwcca.org sept 15th or abouts......that one is fun as you toss the car around in the pitch black dark. then roast some brats, drink beer and then AX early on Sunday morning all over....hoping you don't blow chunks during a run! Hangovers while AX'ing aren't that great......

That's it till the end of the year and the car goes under the knife for March 06'......then the real fun begins.

doopie

08-31-2005, 09:52 PM

MSR in november...5th I think? Night AX with the lscbmwcca.org sept 15th or abouts......that one is fun as you toss the car around in the pitch black dark. then roast some brats, drink beer and then AX early on Sunday morning all over....hoping you don't blow chunks during a run! Hangovers while AX'ing aren't that great......

That's it till the end of the year and the car goes under the knife for March 06'......then the real fun begins.

Hmmm 25 for three laps around Texas Motor Speedway that night or 35 to race at Mineral Wells and chew up my tires and camp out for the night for some early morning racing in the cool weather.

Tough decision.....Where can I rent a helmet for the AutoX for my fat head.
Other than oil, some wrenches, air pump, water what else is needed for the event?

Darren M

08-31-2005, 10:17 PM

aggie97

09-02-2005, 01:29 PM

I too suffer from "enlarged cranium" syndrome. If you need a helmet I'll have both of mine. Just bring an old tshirt and we'll cut it up to make a balaclava so you don't funk up my helmet. :D
Note: It's on the 20th of September I believe.

Matt - Cobra brakes are on and DAUM!!!

I knew you would like em'! So what did the old fluid look like?!!!

Raymond, I think you have pretty new brakes but new pads and flush the system would be a good tip. Tire pressures in the mid to high 30's for street tires that will heat up to 44 or so. Biggest thing is removing ALL loose items in the car including speaker boxes and such. You don't want ANYTHING bouncing around.

I think I might even try a video during the night run.....I just have to figure out how to turn off the "fake" night vision because it slows the video down. It might be kind of cool to hear the engine wailing, on and off the gas and me yelling "where the fuck is that cone?" and only see darkness, a couple of head light trails and the dash lights!!! :cool:

Darren M

09-04-2005, 09:39 AM

I knew you would like em'! So what did the old fluid look like?!!!
Not to bad. I bleed the system at least once a year and use high temp fluid. However, I just realized I had some air in the line at the master cylinder and when we bled it all out my pedal got as hard as yours. All this freak'n time I've been running with air in the lines and I didn't even know it! :eek: This explains the few AX runs that felt and looked fast (i.e. good line, smooth, etc.) but were slower than stock mustangs. Decent alingment and a bit of work on the rear PHB and I'm set to be pretty darn fast. (I hope.) :D

NOTE: I've started a new thread found here (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=264014) discussing the night autocross Matt mentioned.

ozzie

09-04-2005, 12:29 PM

[That's awesome dude. I'm glad the car is running so bad ass.

QUOTE=aggie97]The small one is uploading now.......90meg.

Others are going to be huge....probably in the 180meg range. Going to see how to knock them down a little. The video looking out the rear glass is pretty cool and the sound.....mmmmm good!!

And no, this want be the Matt and Darren show. You and MattB can Chime in too!

biggest fun of the entire weekend was continuously lapping a $120k porsche and just about every car there in the DE and time trials. Only two I never got to pass was a VERY nice 04 M3 on R tires and a black firehawk with 505rwhp.....only reason I didn't pass him is that he went home on a trailer but he was only turning 2:02's..... :D

video should be done in about 20 minutes... www.aggie97.com/2b.wmv[/QUOTE]

aggie97

09-06-2005, 09:22 PM

[That's awesome dude. I'm glad the car is running so bad ass.

Thanks for the encouragement Ozzie. I just need to finish the car and find a way to sneak $4k away without the wife noticing for that shortblock I was talking to Manny about. It would be great to finally have a "302" under the hood to run with those pushrod guys....however, I am starting to think 324 and just jump in with both feet. There is just still too much to finish to think about a motor right now. Cage and safety gear is a necessity. Basically, i am running the same times the real race cars are so I need to nut up and get the correct safety equipment because I can have just as big a problem as they can. Power can come in time....but I better not wait too long. ;)