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[runninhorn]

Figured id try and make a little money off this tonite since ill be watching. Here are the lines at my book-tell me who you like if you see someone you think has a really good chance of winning.

Boxing EXIT
Ultimate Fighting Championship 54 - August 20, 2005
8/20/2005 8:00 PM Randy Couture vs Mike Van Arsdale
201 Randy Couture -300
202 Mike Van Arsdale +250

8/20/2005 8:00 PM James Irvin vs Terry Martin
203 James Irvin -125
204 Terry Martin +105

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Chuck Liddell vs Jeremy Horn
205 Chuck Liddell -200
206 Jeremy Horn +175

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Matt Lindland vs Joe Deorkson
207 Matt Lindland -250
208 Joe Deorkson +210

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Diego Sanchez vs Brian Gassaway
209 Diego Sanchez -500
210 Brian Gassaway +400

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Frank Trigg vs Georges St Pierre
213 Frank Trigg +130
214 Georges St Pierre -150

[rac toh]

no Tim Sylvia vs. Tra Teligman?

[runninhorn]

no Tim Sylvia vs. Tra Teligman?


nope :(

[rac toh]

Why not? They're fighting tonight.

[runninhorn]

Why not? They're fighting tonight.


Those are just the lines my book is putting up, I dont knowwhy.

[Nate]

i would take st pierre and gumby but that's just me.

[The Big Matt]

horn is a good money bet...

Trigg may not be too bad of a bet either

[Juiced89lx]

Why not? They're fighting tonight.

some places had lines up for the fight but most of them took them down. Tra didnt get his physicals done until Thursday. There were rumors going around that he might not fight. But he did pass everything and the fight is still on.

I didnt do so good the last time I bet. I put my money on the underdogs and I found out why they were the underdogs. lol

if i were to bet on one I would take Doerkson. Hes got some pretty good submission skills.

[rac toh]

some places had lines up for the fight but most of them took them down. Tra didnt get his physicals done until Thursday. There were rumors going around that he might not fight. But he did pass everything and the fight is still on.


Yeah, I called phil wednesday and reminded him that Tra needed it.. lol
Not sure what relevance it has, but Tra's been sleeping in a o2 tent so his red cell count was a little high.. i wonder if that's why they made him get checked out again. :confused:

[KJ94GT]

I have no idea what all those numbers mean, but my bet between Couture and the other guy would go to Randy couture.

[SVTbasher]

I'd change the numbers up a bit in favor of lindland taking Doerksen. Plus trig is pretty messy compared to Pierre, so I'd probably edit those numbers more in favor of the Frenchy.

[JKD]

Figured id try and make a little money off this tonite since ill be watching. Here are the lines at my book-tell me who you like if you see someone you think has a really good chance of winning.

Boxing EXIT
Ultimate Fighting Championship 54 - August 20, 2005
8/20/2005 8:00 PM Randy Couture vs Mike Van Arsdale
201 Randy Couture -300
202 Mike Van Arsdale +250

8/20/2005 8:00 PM James Irvin vs Terry Martin
203 James Irvin -125
204 Terry Martin +105

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Chuck Liddell vs Jeremy Horn
205 Chuck Liddell -200
206 Jeremy Horn +175

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Matt Lindland vs Joe Deorkson
207 Matt Lindland -250
208 Joe Deorkson +210

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Diego Sanchez vs Brian Gassaway
209 Diego Sanchez -500
210 Brian Gassaway +400

8/20/2005 8:00 PM Frank Trigg vs Georges St Pierre
213 Frank Trigg +130
214 Georges St Pierre -150


My picks :

1. Arsdale
2. Irvin
3.Horn
4.Lindland
5. Sanchez
6.St. Pierre

I'll check back later to check my predictions. :)

[Juiced89lx]

ouch
Tra lost

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/sylvia_tra.gif

[Renee]

ouch
Tra lost

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/sylvia_tra.gif
I just got off work, worked 9 to 2 and 6 to 11, I'm tired! I think we might still come over but I don't know. Too bad the fights are prolly over now.

[RiceMuncher]

Anyone find out who won the Diego fight, or the Liddel fight? Or is it yet to come?

[Lyn]

Anyone find out who won the Diego fight, or the Liddel fight? Or is it yet to come?


Diego, and Chuck won there fights.

Lyn

[RiceMuncher]

Diego, and Chuck won there fights.

Lyn
Fuk yeah.. Thats all I care about. I couldn't get my satellite pay per view. My dogs chewed my damn phone line in half :mad:

[zora04]

one of you smart mother fuckas need to post up the horn-liddell fight.

[RiceMuncher]

one of you smart mother fuckas need to post up the horn-liddell fight.
oh hell yeah, let's have it!!

[Juiced89lx]

its 140 mb. if anyone can host it, ill send it to them. i can post some of the other fights though

[PooterWS6]

its 140 mb. if anyone can host it, ill send it to them. i can post some of the other fights though
wish I had hosting!
if anyone can host it, please do!:)

I wanted to see this fight. :(

[JKD]

wish I had hosting!
if anyone can host it, please do!:)

I wanted to see this fight. :(

It wasn't worth watching really. The last knockout of the night however was pretty damn funny.

[Juiced89lx]

here is frank trigg vs georges st pierre

http://rapidshare.de/files/4202785/UFC-1.wmv.html

[PooterWS6]

It wasn't worth watching really. The last knockout of the night however was pretty damn funny.
any ground fighting or more dancing around?
what made it a boring fight?

[Nate]

bout damn time....how many times has trigg given up his back to hughs in his last two fights and now st pierre?

[RiceMuncher]

here is frank trigg vs georges st pierre

http://rapidshare.de/files/4202785/UFC-1.wmv.html
I don't know, but that link didn't do anything. I clicked "upload" but then the page blinked, and didn't do anything. I guess you have to sign up for that particular service to use it? :confused:

[Juiced89lx]

scroll down a little. then click FREE, it will take you to the download screen.

[Nate]

scroll down a little. then click FREE, it will take you to the download screen.
thanks again for hosting the lil watching party jon and matt!

[Juiced89lx]

no problem. thanks for coming by

[Nate]

no problem. thanks for coming byanytime there's a ufc/mma fight that isn't on basic cable, i'm more than willing to chip in to watch. :cool:

[dogman]

It wasn't worth watching really. The last knockout of the night however was pretty damn funny.

Was that the knee kick :eek:

[Juiced89lx]

it was a flying knee

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/irvin_martin.gif

[Juiced89lx]

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/liddell_horn_2.gif

here is one from the liddell-horn fight

[rac toh]

Yea, Tra def. should have stepped away and let the bell ring, not stepped into that kick!

My mom called and said she couldn't tell if he was moving or not and wanted to know what they showed on TV. Tra's wife was in the backround screaming.

LOL. That fool needs to train a lil harder for his next one.

[zora04]

was anyone able to host the vid of liddell-horn?

[Shaithis]

was anyone able to host the vid of liddell-horn?
i would like to know the same.

[SS Junk]

was anyone able to host the vid of liddell-horn?
That was the worst fight of the night.

[SS Junk]

it was a flying knee

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/irvin_martin.gif
Motherfucker said, "Goodnight Edna" rigor mortis style!

[Shaithis]

That was the worst fight of the night.
details?

[SS Junk]

details?
Either Chucky was afraid to go to the ground or he was trying to embarrass Horn. He knocked Horn down in round 1 and 2 and let Horn get back up. The last knockdown in round 3 Horn gave up. He was knocked down, Chuck was going to let him get back up and Horn told BJM that he couldn't fight anymore. It was just dull compared to the other cards. It was nothing more than a boxing match.

[zora04]

Either Chucky was afraid to go to the ground or he was trying to embarrass Horn. He knocked Horn down in round 1 and 2 and let Horn get back up. The last knockdown in round 3 Horn gave up. He was knocked down, Chuck was going to let him get back up and Horn told BJM that he couldn't fight anymore. It was just dull compared to the other cards.

That sucks. I was excited about that matchup. Can anyone post the Diego fight?
Or any of the others?

[KJ94GT]

Either Chucky was afraid to go to the ground or he was trying to embarrass Horn. He knocked Horn down in round 1 and 2 and let Horn get back up. The last knockdown in round 3 Horn gave up. He was knocked down, Chuck was going to let him get back up and Horn told BJM that he couldn't fight anymore. It was just dull compared to the other cards. It was nothing more than a boxing match.
Chuck was afraid to go to the ground with Horn. Chuck's not stupid.
Horn told John McCarthy that he couldn't see. And McCarthy stopped the fight.

[SS Junk]

Chuck was afraid to go to the ground with Horn. Chuck's not stupid.

I'm not sure that's the case. At least the first knockdown Chucky knocked Horn for a loop. Chuck could've given Horn a flurry of punches and elbows to the face and finished it up as he has done in the past... or at least administered much more damage. Horn had nothing when he was knocked to the ground. Look how long it took Horn to get to his feet after Chuck let him up.

[The Big Matt]

No doubt Chuck was afraid to go to the ground with Horn. The last thing he wanted was to get caught on the ground trying to ground and pound, and end up in Horn's world.

Horn complained of double vision after the third round, and after taking a few more shots to the eyes, he stopped the fight himself, as to not get permanently injured. He's a true fighter, and I'm sure he would have loved nothing more than to go another round and a half. But he obviously thought the vision was a serious enough problem.

Chuck gave him everything he could, and still couldn't knock him out. Don't get me wrong, he stunned him a few times, but if you watch the fight again, you'll notice that anytime Horn went to the ground, he covers with one hand, and tries to pull Chuck's leg in for a sweep of some sort. He was always working on the ground, trying to make Chuck come to his world.

It was a great fight and I can't wait to see the rematch. Since they are now 1 and 1

[The Big Matt]

That was the worst fight of the night.


I'll never understand the casual fight fan....

If they end up on the ground in a submission fight, it's fucking boring. If they stand up the whole time, and fight it out, it's boring. And if it's over in 20 seconds, you feel robbed.

In other words if someone doesn't get knocked out or pounded into the mat, in the second or third round, it's a worthless fight.

Horn-Lidell and Arsdale-Couture were two of the best fights in a long time. Excellently matched fighters, going the distance.

[Wario]

I'll never understand the casual fight fan....

If they end up on the ground in a submission fight, it's fucking boring. If they stand up the whole time, and fight it out, it's boring. And if it's over in 20 seconds, you feel robbed.

In other words if someone doesn't get knocked out or pounded into the mat, in the second or third round, it's a worthless fight.

Horn-Lidell and Arsdale-Couture were two of the best fights in a long time. Excellently matched fighters, going the distance.


Very well put!

Horn is a true bad ass, what most the people dont know is that he fights at 185. He stepped up to fight Chuck, I'm sure after this fight he will drop back down and do very well. Not to take anything away from Chuck, he is the man right now but I think Rampage will be in the UFC soon and that is when things will change.

[KJ94GT]

I'll never understand the casual fight fan....

If they end up on the ground in a submission fight, it's fucking boring. If they stand up the whole time, and fight it out, it's boring. And if it's over in 20 seconds, you feel robbed.

In other words if someone doesn't get knocked out or pounded into the mat, in the second or third round, it's a worthless fight.

Horn-Lidell and Arsdale-Couture were two of the best fights in a long time. Excellently matched fighters, going the distance.
I couldn't agree more on both of your statements. The entire event was a good show.
I can't wait for Horn to get his rematch with Liddell. Also, I can't wait for Randy to get his opportunity to seize the title again.

[Juiced89lx]

That sucks. I was excited about that matchup. Can anyone post the Diego fight?
Or any of the others?

i'll post diego and randy's fights in a little bit

[jluv]

I agree that Chuck had no plans of intentionally going to the ground with Horn. Why would he?

But it also seemed obvious to me that he was putting a serious whipping on Horn, and could have easily finished him several times. A few more punches once he was dazed and down would have ended the fight. In fact, the first time Horn really went down and Chuck did follow up a little, it sure did look to me like Horn was tapping. But Chuck backed off and let him up, and he kept doing that. I think he really wanted that one knee-buckling KO, and he couldn't quite get it. I'll hand it to Horn for taking the beating he did and still walking away at the end. I think a rematch will have similar results, if Chuck doesn't succeed in landing a finisher like he was looking for this time.

Oh, and the Silvia fight was a massacre. That dude looks extremely dominant standing up.

[SS Junk]

I'll never understand the casual fight fan....

If they end up on the ground in a submission fight, it's fucking boring. If they stand up the whole time, and fight it out, it's boring. And if it's over in 20 seconds, you feel robbed.

In other words if someone doesn't get knocked out or pounded into the mat, in the second or third round, it's a worthless fight.

Horn-Lidell and Arsdale-Couture were two of the best fights in a long time. Excellently matched fighters, going the distance.
:rolleyes:
I'll never understand those who deem themselves UFC experts by trying to justify their observations with blitherings of absolute nonsense...
Going the distance? Did you actually watch the fight? Did you miss the part where Chuck got off of Horn, backed away and motioned for Horn to get back up after he knocked him for a loop in the first round? How many times have you ever seen that in a fight especially when defending the title? You can't be that stupid.
Chuck could've ended that fight in the first round. I guess in your absolute UFC expertise the entire croud who was booing the match were also "casual fight fans.."
The fact of the matter is that was the worst fight of the night and was nothing more than a boxing match with absolutely no technicality whatsoever. All fights other than the main event were far better displays.
Stay h4rd c()r3 y0! :rolleyes:

[The Big Matt]

Brian, you're being an idiot...

And to answer your question, YES, the entire crowd is mostly people in Vegas who are casual fans. Ever been to a UFC event live? I've been to quite a few. Most people in the crowd have no idea what's going on. I was at the Spike TV even earlier this month, with Juiced89lx and Wario. I couldn't tell you the ammount of stupidity coming out of the mouths of the people sitting around us. So yes, almost 80 percent of the people there are casual fans, with no real knowledge of the sport.

Second, I'm not claiming to be some MMA expert, but i've watched my fair share of fights, and i'd like to say that I truely understand the sport. Horn did get knocked thru a loop, but in watching the fight MORE THAN ONCE, you'll notice that he was always defending himself when he went down. Not once was he completely out of it. He would cover with one hand and try to grab Chuck's leg with the other. Baiting him in to the ground. Was he a little out of it, sure, but he was still making smart enough decisions for them not to call the fight.

If Chuck could have ended the fight in the first round, he would have. You think he decided in the first round, "oh i should keep on going, and hopefully we can go 5 rounds and take it to decision"??? Yeah, i'm sure that's what he wanted. Especially since he was 2-1 going into the 4th round. The last thing he wanted was to let the fight go to decision, he doesn't have the gas for a 5 round fight.

How many times have I seen someone get knocked down, then their opponent motion for them to get back on their feet? More times that I can count. How many Pride's have you watched? Strikers rarely want to go to the ground, if they can avoid it. How may King Of The Cage events have you seen?

As far as the worst fight of the night, I wouldn't go that far. Other than it being a quick end, I'd say the Trigg fight was the worst fight of the night.

You may want to watch a few more venues than just UFC before you go off spouting useless crap out to the world. Since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to MMA fights.

People fail to realize I live with one of the utmost experts in fight history, knowledge, etc. The man does nothing but eat, sleep, dream MMA.

[Wario]

:rolleyes:
I'll never understand those who deem themselves UFC experts by trying to justify their observations with blitherings of absolute nonsense...
Going the distance? Did you actually watch the fight? Did you miss the part where Chuck got off of Horn, backed away and motioned for Horn to get back up after he knocked him for a loop in the first round? How many times have you ever seen that in a fight? You can't be that stupid.
Chuck could've ended that fight in the first round. I guess in your absolute UFC expertise the entire croud who was boo'ing the match were also "casual fight fans.."
The fact of the matter is that was the worst fight of the night and was nothing more than a boxing match with absolutely no technicality whatsoever. All fights other than the main event were far better displays.
Stay h4rd c()r3 y0! :rolleyes:

You have no clue what you're talking about. Why would a striker go to the ground with a submission guy who has tapped him in the past? I can show you many fights that went the same way this one did. You like to play like you know something about this sport but the fact is you know nothing.

[rac toh]

FYI there was a loser's meeting in the ER @ the hospital in vegas. My mom said they saw Horn in there after the fight too, LOL!

[The Big Matt]

FYI there was a loser's meeting in the ER @ the hospital in vegas. My mom said they saw Horn in there after the fight too, LOL!

I'm sure he went to the hospital, since he was complaining of double vision

[Wario]

FYI there was a loser's meeting in the ER @ the hospital in vegas. My mom said they saw Horn in there after the fight too, LOL!


I feel bad for Horn. I hope to see him back in the UFC so people can see just how good he is.

http://img1.yoxio.com/img/192938.jpg

[Nate]

Brian, you're being an idiot...



You may want to watch a few more venues than just UFC before you go off spouting useless crap out to the world. Since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to MMA fights.

People fail to realize I live with one of the utmost experts in fight history, knowledge, etc. The man does nothing but eat, sleep, dream MMA.
watch out he'll argue with you over the internet because he's all knowing. Matt, all your point are correct on the horn fight and brian is an idiot.

[The Big Matt]

Evidently Horn got a couple of shots in there too, chuck's cheek didn't look so happy.

I can't wait to see Horn fight one weight class lower, where he normally fights. I doubt we'll see a Horn-Lidell rematch anytime soon.

[Nate]

think horn would take on ol rich "ace ventura" franklin? :D

[The Big Matt]

I'm sure he would. Look at his fight record, i'm pretty sure he's a fight anyone, anytime kinda guy :D

[Nate]

I'm sure he would. Look at his fight record, i'm pretty sure he's a fight anyone, anytime kinda guy :D
i know he'll fight him...hell he'd prollie fight next weekend if they'd set it up, but will he be able to take on the champ? :D




my money would be on horn over ace.

[Bullitt3246]

one of you smart mother fuckas need to post up the horn-liddell fight.

thats what i'm sayin

[Poisond281]

I love how people can call other people ignorant on this board. The Liddel-Horn fight was awesome last night. Horn got jacked and thats all there is to it.

[93powerranger]

i think they kept the liddell fight going for air time it was over in the first....and he backed off.

[Nate]

i think they kept the liddell fight going for air time it was over in the first....and he backed off.
:rolleyes: do we have to go over this again....he didn't want to get into a ground and pound situation with horn. :rolleyes:

and they don't give a shit about air time....they had three other fights they could have shown after. They still didn't show the travis lutter fight.

Why did the randy vs chuck fight end in the first round last UFC if they worry about air time? :rolleyes:

[The Big Matt]

i know he'll fight him...hell he'd prollie fight next weekend if they'd set it up, but will he be able to take on the champ? :D




my money would be on horn over ace.

Actually in thinking about it, they won't fight. They are managed by the same guy. I doubt we'll see them get into it in UFC. Now Lindland and Horn, there ya go.

[The Big Matt]

i think they kept the liddell fight going for air time it was over in the first....and he backed off.

Watch the fight again... You missed a lot. I've watched it a few times now, hell give me a bit and i'll post it up for everyone else. When Horn fell to guard, he was trying to bait Chuck in, end of story. There wasn't one time that Chuck had him so rocked, it should have been ended. Horn was always protecting himself, and trying to bring Chuck down. He just couldn't get it done in the condition he was in...

[Nate]

Actually in thinking about it, they won't fight. They are managed by the same guy. I doubt we'll see them get into it in UFC. Now Lindland and Horn, there ya go.
well damn.... :(

[The Big Matt]

here's a link to the fight, i'm only going to keep it up for a couple of days, so download it quick...

http://www.yapsolutions.com/mma/hornliddell.wmv

[zora04]

here's a link to the fight, i'm only going to keep it up for a couple of days, so download it quick...

http://www.yapsolutions.com/mma/hornliddell.wmv

link is not working

[zora04]

link is not working

nevermind, it worked now.

[LT12NV-420]

yum.
-cannabis

[ieatrice]

here's a link to the fight, i'm only going to keep it up for a couple of days, so download it quick...

http://www.yapsolutions.com/mma/hornliddell.wmv


thanks 550kb/s

[DamonH]

Some of you guys are into this WAY too much! LoL The Liddell/Horn fight was great. Chuck rocked him a few times. Plain and simple, Chuck dominated him for the most part. I've seen them call fights for a lot less then what was happening to Horn.

[Dim Mak]

Some of you guys are into this WAY too much! LoL The Liddell/Horn fight was great. Chuck rocked him a few times. Plain and simple, Chuck dominated him for the most part. I've seen them call fights for a lot less then what was happening to Horn.


That is true, and what a great job McCarthy did reffing it. Honestly guys, I was pulling for Jeremy all the way, just the way I did for Couture in that fight. Make no mistake about it, Liddel is the real deal. If you look at it, there is no way that Liddel should have beaten Couture, he's just to damn versitile. Yet he did. Same with Horn. I was honestly shocked when McCarthy let it go after the first knock down in round 1. I kept saying to myself that Horn was going to get a clench...it never came. Liddel takes people out of their element and makes them fight his fight. I never have been a Liddel supporter before. but you can't ignore what he's accomplished. That bitch hits hard.

[SS Junk]

Whatever you "experts" with many couch potato credintials say...
The fact remains.. Horn was down, Chucky could've "... put (his) fist through the back of his head..." in the first round when Horn was dazed.
Horn may have been trying to defend himself but Chuck definately had the advantage in all three rounds especially when Horn went down.
Chucky won. Mission accomplished. Horn had nothing for him. There were better fights that night. If you don't agree then you are the ones who are being idiots. Christ you all sound like a bunch of simpleton nut swingers just because it was a title defense.

[Nate]

which fight was better and why? st pierre's domination of trigg? diego's ass whipping on brian? the knock out of tra? only possible fight that was as good was the van arsdale vs couture fight.

[Matt93Cobra]

I can't undertand why people think that there will be a Horn-Liddell 3? That fight was not even close. Horn tried maybe 3 takedowns until he realized Chuck's sprawl was too good. Chuck looked very Cro-Cop esque making sure the fight stayed where he wanted it.

For those casual UFC fans that watched this event.....order Pride Final Conflict next weekend. That card is unbelievable.

[DON SVO]

Whatever you "experts" with many couch potato credintials say...
The fact remains.. Horn was down, Chucky could've "... put (his) fist through the back of his head..." in the first round when Horn was dazed...

personally, i don't think liddell had enough faith that he knocked horn stupid enough to do that. to sit on someone and start wailing would require him to get ALOT closer to horn than he wanted. pure and simple: horn tried to get chuck on the ground the whole damn fight. liddell was betting on a standing knock-out punch. the last thing he wants is to get trapped on the ground with a pissed-off, not-as-stunned-as-he-thought horn!

[The Big Matt]

In an interview with Chuck after the fight, he was asked why he didn't try to close the fight on the ground, after he had rocked Horn. His answer was, "I'm not much of a closer on the ground, I knew I could close on my feet"

So I guess he couldn't have ended it earlier on the ground, because he never planned on it.

[Ktulu]

personally, i don't think liddell had enough faith that he knocked horn stupid enough to do that. to sit on someone and start wailing would require him to get ALOT closer to horn than he wanted. pure and simple: horn tried to get chuck on the ground the whole damn fight. liddell was betting on a standing knock-out punch. the last thing he wants is to get trapped on the ground with a pissed-off, not-as-stunned-as-he-thought horn!


exactly Horn wanted chuck to come into his gaurd, and Liddell did not want to.
Liddell makes the fighters fight on his terms, thats how he beat Randy, and Tito

[Juiced89lx]

did any of you watch Pride fighting on fox sports last night? They showed Chuck's fight with Quinton Jackson. Now that was a throwdown!


Horn is going to wreck people at 185 lbs. This was his first fight back at 205 and it showed.. Good night of fights. Thanks to everyone that came over. I'll prolly have a few people over next Sunday night for the Pride Grand Prix finals...

[superlopez]

did any of you watch Pride fighting on fox sports last night? They showed Chuck's fight with Quinton Jackson. Now that was a throwdown!


Horn is going to wreck people at 185 lbs. This was his first fight back at 205 and it showed.. Good night of fights. Thanks to everyone that came over. I'll prolly have a few people over next Sunday night for the Pride Grand Prix finals...


Sunday night's are my nights to escape. LMK If you have another GTG, I would love to come watch with yall. I can bring some bubblegum to.

[Juiced89lx]

Sunday night's are my nights to escape. LMK If you have another GTG, I would love to come watch with yall. I can bring some bubblegum to.


LOL. here's your invite then. Fights start at 8 pm on Sunday night.

[SS Junk]

personally, i don't think liddell had enough faith that he knocked horn stupid enough to do that. to sit on someone and start wailing would require him to get ALOT closer to horn than he wanted. pure and simple: horn tried to get chuck on the ground the whole damn fight. liddell was betting on a standing knock-out punch. the last thing he wants is to get trapped on the ground with a pissed-off, not-as-stunned-as-he-thought horn!
I can respect that. Because of your opinion should I now start questioning your "experience" in watching UFC? :D

In an interview with Chuck after the fight, he was asked why he didn't try to close the fight on the ground, after he had rocked Horn. His answer was, "I'm not much of a closer on the ground, I knew I could close on my feet"

So I guess he couldn't have ended it earlier on the ground, because he never planned on it.
And he could've restrained himself in not saying he wanted to make Horn look like a beat down bloodied bitch as well. BUT... with your expertise in the field I'm sure you were able to get more out of the after fight interview than I ever will. So how many UFC fights must you watch before you start reading minds and know just who are the "casual fans" in the audience? :confused:

[The Big Matt]

Casual fans like you who watch a UFC every couple of months, and think you have a clue what is going on. Those are casual fans. You don't seem to know much about the sport, or about fighting as a sport in general. But alas, it's not your expertise I question, it's your understanding on the sport.

Your comments are just plain ignorant, period.

[The Big Matt]

I can respect that. Because of your opinion should I now start questioning your "experience" in watching UFC? :D


And he could've restrained himself in not saying he wanted to make Horn look like a beat down bloodied bitch as well. BUT... with your expertise in the field I'm sure you were able to get more out of the after fight interview than I ever will. So how many UFC fights must you watch before you start reading minds and know just who are the "casual fans" in the audience? :confused:

So now you're reading his mind?

I never read his mind, I took his words and copied them. He said he's not much of a closer on the ground, I take that to mean , he didn't want to close the fight on the ground. I'm just taking his statement to mean exactly what he says.

[Juiced89lx]

Brian, I know you like to "argue" over the internet, but this is another one you wont win. just give up. lol

[Nate]

Brian, I know you like to "argue" over the internet, but this is another one you wont win. just give up. lol
i want to see brian argue ufc/pride with you. :)

[SS Junk]

Casual fans like you who watch a UFC every couple of months, and think you have a clue what is going on. Those are casual fans. You don't seem to know much about the sport, or about fighting as a sport in general. But alas, it's not your expertise I question, it's your understanding on the sport.

Your comments are just plain ignorant, period.
You truly are being the idiot then. Because I say there were better fights that night I don't know what I'm talking about. You do know just how moronic that reads, right?

So now you're reading his mind?

I never read his mind, I took his words and copied them. He said he's not much of a closer on the ground, I take that to mean , he didn't want to close the fight on the ground. I'm just taking his statement to mean exactly what he says.
Good for you... taking everything said at face value. That there shows just how "experienced" you are when it comes to being a glorfied self-proclaimed expert commentator on the sport.
Maybe that's what he meant.. maybe not. But as I said... because of your "knowledge" in the sport you must've gotten more out of that then I ever will. Especially the part about you know just exactly who was in that audience and who was booing the fight.. so on and so forth.

[SS Junk]

Brian, I know you like to "argue" over the internet, but this is another one you wont win. just give up. lol
I have already won. ;)

[The Big Matt]

You truly are being the idiot then. Because I say there were better fights that night I don't know what I'm talking about. You do know just how moronic that reads, right?


Good for you... taking everything said at face value. That there shows just how "experienced" you are when it comes to being a glorfied self-proclaimed expert commentator on the sport.
Maybe that's what he meant.. maybe not. But as I said... because of your "knowledge" in the sport you must've gotten more out of that then I ever will. Especially the part about you know just exactly who was in that audience and who was booing the fight.. so on and so forth.

Trust me when I say this, because it is from first hand experience, those booing in the audience, are casual fight fans. You won't see any of the diehard fans, the hardcore guys, or the underground fans booing at any event. You wont' see other fighters booing at an event, unless it's for a disrespectful action by a fighter in the ring.

You said it was the "worst fight of the night", not that there were better fights. You put an extremity on it. So for all the fights shown that night, it was the bottom of the bottom, worst. That's just not a true statement at all. Any true fight fan will tell you that it was definately a fight worth watching, two guys, top in their games, going at it. Chuch guaranteed a knock out, didn't get it. Horn guaranteed that the first two rounds would be tough, but rounds 3-5 would be more in his favor. Didn't get to see that far, because the fight was stopped.

For me the worst fight of the night was Trigg vs GSP. Trigg is just embarassing himself, giving his back to his opponent, not once, not twice, but three times for a loss. It's like watching the same thing happen everytime he fights.

You can't win this arguement Brian, because like a quadrapalegic at a bus stop, you have no legs to stand on.

[The Big Matt]

btw, i'm not claiming to be any kind of expert, never said i was. But I am claiming to have a better understanding on the sport than you or any other casual fight fan does.

Brian, if I ever need to know what it's like to have my balls owned by a woman, or what it's like to have her carry them in her purse, etc, I'll definately come to you for the scoop.

[SS Junk]

Trust me when I say this, because it is from first hand experience, those booing in the audience, are casual fight fans. You won't see any of the diehard fans, the hardcore guys, or the underground fans booing at any event. You wont' see other fighters booing at an event, unless it's for a disrespectful action by a fighter in the ring.

You said it was the "worst fight of the night", not that there were better fights. You put an extremity on it. So for all the fights shown that night, it was the bottom of the bottom, worst. That's just not a true statement at all. Any true fight fan will tell you that it was definately a fight worth watching, two guys, top in their games, going at it. Chuch guaranteed a knock out, didn't get it. Horn guaranteed that the first two rounds would be tough, but rounds 3-5 would be more in his favor. Didn't get to see that far, because the fight was stopped.

For me the worst fight of the night was Trigg vs GSP. Trigg is just embarassing himself, giving his back to his opponent, not once, not twice, but three times for a loss. It's like watching the same thing happen everytime he fights.

You can't win this arguement Brian, because like a quadrapalegic at a bus stop, you have no legs to stand on.
Whip out the dated punchlines. That's fantastic yet uneffective.
The Liddell/Horn fight was the worst fight of the night. I still think that after reflecting on all the fights that night. I'm pretty sure the meaning behind, "Worst fight of the night.." and, "There were better fights that night..." are pretty parallel to each other. Face it, you don't know who was booing in that audience and no matter what you type will convince me otherwise unless you were there and knew just how much everyone was into the sport who was sitting in that audience.
Even if it were the "causual fan" who was booing there's no reason why those self-proclaimed experts should be bitter. They are the ones who are making this sport popular. Or are you one of those who believe UFC should stay underground only for the "hard core" who always know what they're talking about. :rolleyes: Try that argument with any UFC fighter and I'm sure they'll tell you differently.

[SS Junk]

btw, i'm not claiming to be any kind of expert, never said i was. But I am claiming to have a better understanding on the sport than you or any other casual fight fan does.

Brian, if I ever need to know what it's like to have my balls owned by a woman, or what it's like to have her carry them in her purse, etc, I'll definately come to you for the scoop.
And if I need any advice in becoming more of a bloated bastard and how to get a second chin to hang down to my navel then you will be the first I look up.

[The Big Matt]

I don't really care if it goes mainstream or stays underground... The more mainstream it gets, the more issues it's going to face, and legal battles will surface. It's hard for any fighting sport to go mainstream without problems. I'll watch it either way. The casual fight fan, who definately fills seats right now, have watched TUF on Spike, and paid for a few UFC PPV's, their understanding of the sport is very minimal. I hope that in the years to come, we have more and more knowledgable fans, who understand the sport more, and aren't just there to see someone get beaten into a bloody pulp.

[The Big Matt]

And if I need any advice in becoming more of a bloated bastard with a second chin that hangs to my navel then you will be the first I look up.

But you're doing just fine on your own, you don't need anyone's help on that.

[The Big Matt]

my favorite casual fight fan quote, "I can do better in the ring than that guy"

[SS Junk]

I don't really care if it goes mainstream or stays underground... The more mainstream it gets, the more issues it's going to face, and legal battles will surface. It's hard for any fighting sport to go mainstream without problems. I'll watch it either way. The casual fight fan, who definately fills seats right now, have watched TUF on Spike, and paid for a few UFC PPV's, their understanding of the sport is very minimal. I hope that in the years to come, we have more and more knowledgable fans, who understand the sport more, and aren't just there to see someone get beaten into a bloody pulp.
Wishful thinking. For the "hardcore" fan who loves to watch a full contact sport for the technical aspect there is always two more who want to see blood and someone get knocked for a loop. It's been that way for thousands of years.

[SS Junk]

But you're doing just fine on your own, you don't need anyone's help on that.
Trust me.. not as well as you.
You are six years younger and not even married. What's your excuse?

[SS Junk]

my favorite casual fight fan quote, "I can do better in the ring than that guy"
Yeah... I could beat Liddell's ass.

[The Big Matt]

Wishful thinking. For the "hardcore" fan who loves to watch a full contact sport for the technical aspect there is always two more who want to see blood and someone get knocked for a loop. It's been that way for thousands of years.

And promoting fights in that aspect is what caused UFC to go under the first time, and why Zuffa bought it, and has come leaps and bounds from those days. The matches are much better promoted and billed. For the most part matchups are well thought out. But then again, you get people getting title shots before they've paid their dues, strictly for the crowd draw. But all in all, they've gone from the glorified professional wrestling where people really hit each other, to a good "sport".

[The Big Matt]

Trust me.. not as well as you.
You are six years younger and not even married. What's your excuse?

I probably weigh a good 40 pounds more than you, and I'm still in better shape than you, and get more pussy....

What's your excuse, oh yeah, married a broad with money, cause you had no ability to earn any on your own.

[SS Junk]

And promoting fights in that aspect is what caused UFC to go under the first time, and why Zuffa bought it, and has come leaps and bounds from those days. The matches are much better promoted and billed. For the most part matchups are well thought out. But then again, you get people getting title shots before they've paid their dues, strictly for the crowd draw. But all in all, they've gone from the glorified professional wrestling where people really hit each other, to a good "sport".
You can change the strategy but you can't change the fan, casual or not, who watches it.

I probably weigh a good 40 pounds more than you, and I'm still in better shape than you, and get more pussy....

Great going! Be fat and happy. However there's a big difference between quality and quantity. Enjoy your blubber burlesque.
Kinda funny and ironic at the same time... One who bitches about certain quotes from "casual fight fans" is doing that very same thing when it comes to something that matters. Yep... you sure are winning this one. LOL
What's your excuse, oh yeah, married a broad with money, cause you had no ability to earn any on your own.
Like I said, junior... quality vs. quantity.

[The Big Matt]

If she's your idea of quality, i'd hate to see a poor choice

[SS Junk]

Do you sometimes mistake your titties for hers?

[The Big Matt]

can't say that i have, do you sometiems mistake her balls for your's?

[SS Junk]

Naw... she always keeps them hidden. I've asked to see them, but she refuses.
You're lying. You always admitted to me your titties were larger than any skank you've been with... past and present... to the point of you burying her face and suffocating her until she can get a 6' pry bar to roll you over.
Arrogant fat people are teh win.

[Dim Mak]

....... horn tried to get chuck on the ground the whole damn fight.


Did we not see the same fight? How can you even make that statement? :confused:

[Juiced89lx]

Did we not see the same fight? How can you even make that statement? :confused:

he might be talking about each time Horn got dropped, he tried to pull guard. I saw it happen a couple of times.

[The Big Matt]

Did we not see the same fight? How can you even make that statement? :confused:

falling to guard may seem like a cheap way out, but it was his way of trying to sucker chuck in. And any time he could, he fell to guard, he tried a few times for take downs, but more so for pacing the fight, than taking chuck down. I think Horn knew it would be tough taking Chuck down, so he didn't try it that often.

[Dim Mak]

Falling to a guard is not the answer. Horn fell to a defensive posture after getting ROCKED. You mean to tell me that the only time Horn was able to get to the ground and be "on his game" was after liddell knocked him there? Come on. And sure Horn would try to grab ahold of something for a submission. There is no other option at that point.

Also, let's be clear here......the guard is not the guard where your opponent is standing 3 feet away from you.

Why would Horn "strategically" wait to get hit in the face hard, be somewhat dazed, and think that he can submit Liddel in type of state when he physically was having issues doing that in the right state of mind?

[SS Junk]

Falling to a guard is not the answer. Horn fell to a defensive posture after getting ROCKED. You mean to tell me that the only time Horn was able to get to the ground and be "on his game" was after liddell knocked him there? Come on. And sure Horn would try to grab ahold of something for a submission. There is no other option at that point.
Shame on you for having a difference of opinion! That means you don't know what you're talking about! :D

[The Big Matt]

There were a few times that he fell to guard, without a punch landing too. Watch the fight again.

I'm pretty sure he was using the fall to guard, to bring Chuck down to the mat. Which didn't work, Chuck wasn't having it.

[Dim Mak]

There were a few times that he fell to guard, without a punch landing too. Watch the fight again.

I'm pretty sure he was using the fall to guard, to bring Chuck down to the mat. Which didn't work, Chuck wasn't having it.


Yes that works, only if your opponent comes with you, so I don't buy it. Also each "guard" i saw jeremy fall into was nothing resembling a guard. Falling on your back and waiting for your opponent to "lay" on you doesn't cut it. However I heard that HAS worked for a few female members on this board. :p

[The Big Matt]

Yes that works, only if your oppenent comes with you, so I don't buy it. Falling on your back and waiting for your opponent to "lay" on you doesn't cut it. However I heard that HAS worked for a few female members on this board. :p

It's especially effective for him to gain some composure that's for sure. Chuck didn't really land that many punches in the first round, just the ones he did, did damage, no doubt. Jeremy actually landed more jabs and kicks, he just doesn't have the same power Chuck does. Chuck never landed one big punch when Horn was on his back, not once.

[Dim Mak]

It's especially effective for him to gain some composure that's for sure. Chuck didn't really land that many punches in the first round, just the ones he did, did damage, no doubt. Jeremy actually landed more jabs and kicks, he just doesn't have the same power Chuck does. Chuck never landed one big punch when Horn was on his back, not once.


I clearly saw a few on the first knockdown. I am suprised that McCarthy didn't stop it then. I'm glad about that, he did a great job in letting them fight. I agree that Horn has superior kicks and technique. Unfortunately, it didn't help him Sat. I was crushed, I just knew that Horn was going to win, but I also know what I saw. No one will touch him at 185. :cool:

[The Big Matt]

He really didn't land many that had any effect, Horn did a good job covering up and grabbing at chuck's legs. Don't get me wrong, Chuck threw a fury of punches while Horn was on his back the first couple of times, but nothing I'd say had a major effect. Nothing landed with that umph behind it.

In watching the fight for the 6th or 7th time, i'm more and more impressed with Horn in this fight. Chuck definately did more damage, but Horn never quit, never stopped pushing the fight. He faught til he couldn't fight anymore. Still one hell of a fight. Better every time I watch it :)

[Dim Mak]

He really didn't land many that had any effect, Horn did a good job covering up and grabbing at chuck's legs. Don't get me wrong, Chuck threw a fury of punches while Horn was on his back the first couple of times, but nothing I'd say had a major effect. Nothing landed with that umph behind it.

In watching the fight for the 6th or 7th time, i'm more and more impressed with Horn in this fight. Chuck definately did more damage, but Horn never quit, never stopped pushing the fight. He faught til he couldn't fight anymore. Still one hell of a fight. Better every time I watch it :)


Now, I WILL agree with you on that! Liddell actually looked scared to me. Jeremy was stalking him like a tiger all night. I wish the outcome was in our favor!

[Juiced89lx]

Now, I WILL agree with you on that! Liddell actually looked scared to me. Jeremy was stalking him like a tiger all night. I wish the outcome was in our favor!

You need to come by the house for the next fights. I'll pm you directions if you want to come out.

[Dim Mak]

You need to come by the house for the next fights. I'll pm you directions if you want to come out.


Haha. I will take you up on that. PM me the details. Thanks!

[DON SVO]

Did we not see the same fight? How can you even make that statement? :confused:

easy. every time horn hit the mat, whether liddell's punch landed him there or he fell back with the oncoming barrage... he landed with the "upturned armadillo" positioning. i feel that he was hoping liddell would finally get cocky enough to come in and try to finish, and even though he was getting the fuck beat out of him standing up he was praying for the ONE chance to grab chuck and pull him to the mat.

i play chess. i understand there are several different techniques when playing a very tactical opponent. i am a rather aggressive chess player but, when i am playing someone i think has a better technical advantage, i will sacrifice a piece or two in order to gain some ground. it's a trade-off that sometimes works well, especially when there is a certain area of the board i need. horn was hoping that chuch would feel he could finish the deal and come in close so, when falling, he was attempting to land in such a manner that he was ready.

sadly for horn, liddell is rather intelligent and refused to come down and fight. and the result was what we saw saturday: liddell knocked horn stupid and came away with a decisive victory.

thats just my "casual observer" opinion.

[Grandnat]

I'll never understand the casual fight fan....

If they end up on the ground in a submission fight, it's fucking boring. If they stand up the whole time, and fight it out, it's boring. And if it's over in 20 seconds, you feel robbed.

In other words if someone doesn't get knocked out or pounded into the mat, in the second or third round, it's a worthless fight.

Horn-Lidell and Arsdale-Couture were two of the best fights in a long time. Excellently matched fighters, going the distance.



Thank you for saving me from having to type what you just said.

[JKD]

my favorite casual fight fan quote, "I can do better in the ring than that guy"

LOL, I agree. It's even funnier when you call that same guy out for their first time to get choked out. They absolutely wig out and start flailing all over.


Matt, your statements couldn't be more on. A casual fan's perspective is completely different from a experienced fighters. The casual fan just wants to see blood and guts slugfest. A experienced fighter realizes how much of a chess match it really is. Of course it's not interesting to someone who knows nothing of cadence,timing and the real differences between a striker and a grappler. In today's MMA society they are one in the same. Anyone who is good enough to make they show is usually undoubtly well rounded with an understanding of their strengths and weaknesses against a certain opponent.

Everyone should make it a point to spend some time on the mat to better their skills and knowledge before running their mouths. The truth always inevitably reaveals itself through ignorance.

[SS Junk]

I think this shit is funny how those "expert veterans" are all bent because of the very fact there were better fights that night than Liddell vs. Horn.

[JKD]

I think this shit is funny how those "expert veterans" are all bent because of the very fact there were better fights that night than Liddell vs. Horn.


That's not it at all. It's understood from your point of of view that your didnt enjoy the Liddell fight because your lack of knowledge and experience. You wanted to see a slugfest. There is alot more to the fights then simply knocking someone out.

[SS Junk]

That's not it at all. It's understood from your point of of view that your didnt enjoy the Liddell fight because your lack of knowledge and experience. You wanted to see a slugfest.
No... that's not it at all. Where did I say I wanted to see a slugfest? Why are you assuming such retarded claims? :rolleyes:
I thoroughly enjoyed the fight. I'm glad it went on as long as it did. However... as I've already said several times before there were much better fights and displays of technical warfare that night. I also believe Liddell could've finished it in the first round.
There is alot more to the fights then simply knocking someone out.
Say it ain't so!!! :rolleyes:

[Nate]

No... that's not it at all. Where did I say I wanted to see a slugfest? Why are you assuming such retarded claims? :rolleyes:
I thoroughly enjoyed the fight. I'm glad it went on as long as it did. However... as I've already said several times before there were much better fights and displays of technical warfare that night. I also believe Liddell could've finished it in the first round.

Say it ain't so!!! :rolleyes:
besides the van arsdale vs couture fight? what was considered a better fight? :rolleyes:

[SS Junk]

besides the van arsdale vs couture fight? what was considered a better fight? :rolleyes:
You've got to be kidding...
Put it this way... I and all the "amateurs" and "casual fans" around me enjoyed most all other fights that night much more than the title bout.
These "seasoned veterans" who crow on about giving Horn honerable mentions for doing nothing to stop Liddell are contradicting themselves.
Liddell and Horn was nothing more than a slugfest. Horn would receive a barage of punches to the face and had nothing effective for Horn.
As said.. it was nothing more than a boxing match...

[Nate]

You've got to be kidding...
Put it this way... I and all the "amateurs" and "casual fans" around me enjoyed most all other fights that night much more than the title bout.
These "seasoned veterans" who crow on about giving Horn honerable mentions for doing nothing to stop Liddell are contradicting themselves.
Liddell and Horn was nothing more than a slugfest. Horn would receive a barage of punches to the face and had nothing effective for Horn.
As said.. it was nothing more than a boxing match...
casual fight fan here,

but please inform me which fight was better possibly and for what reasons? or dance around the question again?

[SS Junk]

casual fight fan here,

but please inform me which fight was better possibly and for what reasons? or dance around the question again?
You've got to be kidding...
Put it this way... I and all the "amateurs" and "casual fans" around me enjoyed most all other fights that night much more than the title bout.
You aren't pretty enough to dance for. If you want my reasons for why I feel the way I do about the Liddell/Horn fight then RTFT.

[Nate]

You aren't pretty enough to dance for. If you want my reasons for why I feel the way I do about the Liddell/Horn fight then RTFT.
because there was not a fight that was on the same level except for maybe the couture fight. You have argued with everyone in this thread and been proven wrong by just about everyone. The only person that thinks you know shit about fighting/mma/ufc is yourself.

[SS Junk]

because there was not a fight that was on the same level except for maybe the couture fight.
Explain yourself. Because what? Who are you addressing this to?
You have argued with everyone in this thread and been proven wrong by just about everyone. The only person that thinks you know shit about fighting/mma/ufc is yourself.
Everyone? Show me where I've argued with "everyone" in this thread... or are you of the simpleton mentality that those "experts" in this thread are the only ones who count?
And please supply where I've been proven wrong anywhere on this thread.

Shall we dance?

[Nate]

Explain yourself. Because what? Who are you addressing this to?

Everyone? Show me where I've argued with "everyone" in this thread... or are you of the simpleton mentality that those "experts" in this thread are the only ones who count?
And please supply where I've been proven wrong anywhere on this thread.

Shall we dance?
dance around my question all you want because you cannot provide a decent answer.

what fight was better? and why?

I trust Jon's, JKD's, Matt's, Nicks, KJ's, and even my own judgement way more than you. Jon is a walking MMA encylopedia and agrees with my thoughts and matt's.

So answer my question, which fight was better and why?

[SS Junk]

I trust Jon's, JKD's, Matt's, Nicks, KJ's, and even my own judgement way more than you. Jon is a walking MMA encylopedia and agrees with my thoughts and matt's.
So you are a simpleton retard and believe they are "everyone" in this thread... :rolleyes:
So answer my question, which fight was better and why?
You're trying to lead yet you've already broken my foot. Your question has been answered in this thread. As said.. you aren't special enough for me to reapet what I've already typed.

Now..
because there was not a fight that was on the same level except for maybe the couture fight.
Explain yourself.

[Nate]

dance dance dance around question asked to you
:rolleyes:

[SS Junk]

:rolleyes:
Ah!!! I get it... you are the bitter one with the 14 second DownHallsville turd that was so angry in the other thread when you gots ownt. LOL
That's alright dude... If I were still hung up and mad I would be throwing a tirrade every chance I got as well. You'll work up. ;)

[Nate]

Ah!!! I get it... you are the bitter one with the 14 second DownHallsville turd that was so angry in the other thread when you gots ownt. LOL
That's alright dude... If I were still hung up and mad I would be throwing a tirrade every chance I got as well. You'll work up. ;)
:rolleyes: brian grow up for just a minute. I could give a shit less what you think about me or what my turd of a daily driver did a year ago at the track but that's besides the point.

I asked you a simple question in a somewhat online debate that you can't answer. So bring up other issues/posts/things to try and draw attention away from the fact that you have no good answer for my question that people will believe.

[SS Junk]

:rolleyes: brian grow up for just a minute. I could give a shit less what you think about me or what my turd of a daily driver did a year ago at the track but that's besides the point.

Yes you do. You wouldn't be in here nut hugging if you didn't.
A year ago you say? So even though it's been a year you still have to rely on downhill numbers? LMAO!
Oh yeah.. it's your daily driver that you drive a million miles a day and that is your excuse for being turd slow.

I asked you a simple question in a somewhat online debate that you can't answer. So bring up other issues/posts/things to try and draw attention away from the fact that you have no good answer for my question that people will believe.
How many times must I say:
RTFT
Besides that I've also asked you a very simple question.
Oop... there snaps the left toe... :rolleyes:
Thanks