Xbox 360

[5.0Coupe93]

Who's getting one? Why, why not?

I'll be in line the day of release :D

[FastFord19]

im too poor

[JJ98GT]

A friend of mine was saying that the current games may/may not be compatible with the new xbox. Is this true??

[427' cobra]

[QUOTE=FastFord19]im too poor[/QUOTE]


+1

[Roliath]

PC > Consoles

But than again, I want a 360 aswell just because!

[FastFord19]

[QUOTE=JJ98GT]A friend of mine was saying that the current games may/may not be compatible with the new xbox. Is this true??[/QUOTE]

i heard they are not going to be backwards compatible

[DarkWolf]

They're attempting backwards compatability, but no offical yay or nay on it. They mostly want to try and make sure their "killer" titles work, like the Halo's... they're not all that concerned about most of the other games.

As for the pc vs. console debate... this new generation could definitely put consoles on top... the pc games aisles are getting smaller and smaller while the console games aisles are getting bigger and bigger. Make a keyboard/mouse accessory for your console of choice, and there's absolutely no reason why all current and future pc games can't be made for consoles, and thus no reason to make them for pc's.

Personally, I prefer console gaming over pc gaming. PC gaming, if you really want to keep up... requires a lot of cash, to continue upgrading your system year after year (sometimes more than once a year). With a console, even the new ones at $400+, that's it. That's all you spend, and you've got 3 - 5 years of use out of it before another comes along to "upgrade" it. I personally would much rather spend $400ish every 3 - 5 years, than $400ish every 6 - 12 months.

And eventually I'll have all 3 next gen systems. I'll probably start with the Nintendo Revolution though, then 360 when the mod community is up to par with the current xbox (or at least close), and ps3 whenever the next Final Fantasy comes out (after FF12 which should still be scheduled for ps2 release).

[5.0Coupe93]

^^what he said. I thought it was going to be $300 though? This console, I beleive, will revolutionize the console industry. It will be so much more than just a game machine.

go here for all you can read xbox 360 news.
TeamXbox News (http://news.teamxbox.com/)

[DarkWolf]

I'd be surprised if they release at $300. I have a feeling the 360 will be around $400 on release, and will drop to around $300 when the Revolution and PS3 are nearing their release dates. They're going to want to get as much money as they can off this thing, since even at $400 they'll be losing at least $100 - $150 per 360 sold.

The only reason I can see them releasing the 360 at around $300, would be due to the new Zelda, and Final Fantasy 12 being released to compete with the 360's release. But I just have a feeling they're not really going to care... most people don't have all 3 systems, so cutting the price due to games from the 2 other "last gen" systems being released around the same time probably isn't going to happen.

[JMAC]

[QUOTE=FastFord19]im too poor[/QUOTE] :(

[Davidm97]

[QUOTE=FastFord19]i heard they are not going to be backwards compatible[/QUOTE]
why do you care
i will never touch a xbox game agian

[jakesford]

i will always stick to my computer, because no matter how hard they try you can't beat a mouse and keyboard for a first person shotter... Plus WOW

[jkstdstang]

i prefer a PONG console!!

[FastFord19]

[QUOTE=Davidm97]why do you care
i will never touch a xbox game agian[/QUOTE]


yeahhh why do i care, ill stick to my hack on my xbox i have now

[FATHERFORD]

The 360 will be backwards compat with the extra harddrive.
It will be $299.
Wireless controllers is what they come with. You can by wired ones though.


<---360, external hd, controllers, games already paid for on reserve :)

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=jakesford]i will always stick to my computer, because no matter how hard they try you can't beat a mouse and keyboard for a first person shotter... Plus WOW[/QUOTE]

Yes, because a mouse and keyboard cannot ever be made as accessories for a console... oh wait, all the next gen consoles have usb ports. Guess usb mice and keyboards just won't work, eh? Oh wait... they did on ps2, and it's not likely they won't work on ps3, and if they work on ps3, then they'll probably work on 360 and Revolution as well.

Let's not forget, Final Fantasy XI started as a ps2 game, got ported to pc, and now is going to be on xbox 360 as well. What's to say WoW can't be ported to one or more of the consoles?

You just gotta face it, with this next gen of consoles, there's really nothing they can't do.

Because of that, they're poised to drive pc gaming even farther into obscurity than it currently is. Seriously, check any game store... the pc section is miniscule compared to the console sections. The consoles are being more heavily developed for, even with this generation, than pc, simply because it's cheaper for both the developer, and the consumer.

Cheaper for the developer, because they have 1 (or 2 or 3, depending on if they produce for multiple consoles) sets of hardware... they don't have to spend months testing various hardware and/or other software compatability in both open and closed betas. It's awesome when you're fragging away and suddenly your AIM pops up with a new message, and kicks you out to the desktop... or your anti-virus runs through a "quick" system scan slowing your gaming to a crawl. Or that nagging graphical glitch you've been scratching your head over for the past few weeks, spending hours trying to track it down and correct it, through numerous driver installs, and settings changes, and even a reformat or two... Turns out to be because you've got a printer hooked up, and the software/drivers for the printer turn out to be incompatible with the game. I guess some people get around those issues by creating alternate profiles for gaming.

Cheaper for the consumer, because throughout the consoles life, the games continue to look better and better, yet the hardware doesn't have to constantly be upgraded. You pay once for the console and you're set for 3 - 5 years before the next upgrade. If you want to be a "gamer" on the pc... and you don't upgrade your system but once every 3 - 5 years... good luck getting most new games working on your system once it's more than a year or two old. It may load and run, but will it actually be playable?

[trey85stang]

darkwolf is on the ball again, these new systems w/ addition of a keyboard and mouse will be just as good if not better then any decent computer setup available today or within the next year. The video card in the 360 is going to be better then any video card currently available for the pc, if that is false then the video card will cost more then the price of an xbox itself. I would pic the xbox over the video card.. Im sure once the xbox 360 is moddable... it will run linux and possiblly windows at that point anyways. I know what my next computer will be.. it wont be a pc :D

[slowricer_2004]

I traded my x-box for a (psp) this thang is tight...

[Roliath]

I thought the Xbox360 WILL be backwards compatible, They even have pics on the net of it.
The pictures i'm talking about are the ones where that "kid" blew the NDA by releasing pics of him playing Halo 2 on the 360.

If your asking how he already HAS a 360, I believe his dad had something to do with the dev on it.

[jakesford]

I'll hold my opinion on the modding untill the new consoles are released as I am sure microsoft will take every step possible to stop modding...I have a feeling microsoft looks down at putting linux on their boxes like with the current xbox lol...

The new consoles and the current gen are definitely graphics work horses there is no argueing that and they've come a long way, but i still find my self going back to the PC. While the consoles are getting better there still not any where near the point to replace a PC, I don't see typing papers on my modded Xbox lol

BTW I don't really see playing WOW on a console, and IMO MMO's will still be more successful on the PC

[QUOTE=trey85stang]darkwolf is on the ball again, these new systems w/ addition of a keyboard and mouse will be just as good if not better then any decent computer setup available today or within the next year. The video card in the 360 is going to be better then any video card currently available for the pc, if that is false then the video card will cost more then the price of an xbox itself. I would pic the xbox over the video card.. Im sure once the xbox 360 is moddable... it will run linux and possiblly windows at that point anyways. I know what my next computer will be.. it wont be a pc :D[/QUOTE]

[DarkWolf]

I don't think it will be possible to stop modding, ever. People have been hacking computer hardware, since there's been computer hardware. That's all consoles are, specialized computers.

And I'm not saying consoles will replace your pc for general purpose useage (though they certainly could), just that I believe consoles are poised to take over the gaming market, while computers take on the role of general/specialized computing.

Will PC gaming completely halt? Probably not. But as evidenced by the last 3 - 4 years, I believe the games being released will steadily decline to a slight trickle, while the games being released for consoles will continue to pour out. Think back to about 6 years ago, when it seemed like there was a new PC game coming out every month, and often more than one a month. It was freaking impossible to keep up with all the releases. Consoles, on the otherhand, saw a release every few months, with the big releases reserved for Christmas or Summer. Now it seems the roles are reversed... console games are being released like shotgun scatter, while PC games seem to only get a release every few months. Let's see, we've had Battlefield 2 released this year... and the next big game is what? F.E.A.R? And that's what... about 4 - 6 months between the two releases? Madden 2006? Oh, but that got released on consoles as well, so that doesn't really count.

I just think consumers (ie: mom and dad) are getting tired of spending money to continually upgrade their computers (which usually means buying a new computer every year or two, unless they know how to upgrade the components themselves).

A PII 400 would be more than adequate for general computing (word processing/office work, web surfing, email, etc), let people spend the big bucks on the P4 3ghz's and Athlon 64's, because they need their computer for more specialized work (ie: graphic design, multimedia production, video editing, 3d animation, etc).

And everyone can be happy playing all their favorite games on consoles, that they don't have to worry about keeping up to date with the latest drivers (that are usually released because the last drivers fucked something up... and the new oneswill probably fuck something else up, requiring yet another driver update), or adding another stick of 512 or 1024 ram, or spending $500 on the latest video card (double up for SLI if you're feeling kinky), because the new Ultra Mega Graphic Spank Fest demo won't run on their machine any faster than 30fps at minimal settings.

MMO's esentially only require a hard drive, which PS3, and 360 will have (as do PS2 and Xbox). No reason they can't work just as well on console's as they do on pc's. Hell, if the dev's are clever enough, they can even have the game run off the disc, without a need for a hard drive, and just save necessary data onto the memory card (and/or hard drive). As evidenced by Everquest Online Adventures for PS2... not the best MMO, for sure, but ran entirely off the DVD, and played as well as any pc MMO I've ever seen.

And if you're basing your judgment on graphics on a TV versus a computer monitor, keep in mind all of the next gen will be ready for high-def output, right out of the box. PS3, if I recall, even claims up to 1080p which damn near equals my laptop's highest resolution of 1920x1200 (1080p being 1080 horizonal lines,which is not much less than 1200 horizontal lines)... and it will be able to comfortably run all it's games at that resolution (~60fps), which is tough at best, to say the same for PC gaming. Hell... I don't think there are even TV's available here yet that are capable of 1080p, and if there are, good jesus they've got to be expensive. (keep in mind 1080i != 1080p... 1080p > 1080i... 720p > 1080i ... 1080i > 480p (but only slightly))

[trey85stang]

[QUOTE=jakesford]I'll hold my opinion on the modding untill the new consoles are released as I am sure microsoft will take every step possible to stop modding...I have a feeling microsoft looks down at putting linux on their boxes like with the current xbox lol...
[/QUOTE]


It will definatly take time..it took time with the current xbox (which was supposed to be unhackable/moddable) but it will happen and linux will run on it again. Although I spoke to soon about windows... I dont think it will run being that it is PowerPC based.. maybe OSX though :D

[trey85stang]

[QUOTE=DarkWolf]I don't think it will be possible to stop modding, ever. People have been hacking computer hardware, since there's been computer hardware. That's all consoles are, specialized computers.

...

And if you're basing your judgment on graphics on a TV versus a computer monitor, keep in mind all of the next gen will be ready for high-def output, right out of the box. PS3, if I recall, even claims up to 1080p which damn near equals my laptop's highest resolution of 1920x1200 (1080p being 1080 horizonal lines,which is not much less than 1200 horizontal lines)... and it will be able to comfortably run all it's games at that resolution (~60fps), which is tough at best, to say the same for PC gaming. Hell... I don't think there are even TV's available here yet that are capable of 1080p, and if there are, good jesus they've got to be expensive. (keep in mind 1080i != 1080p... 1080p > 1080i... 720p > 1080i ... 1080i > 480p (but only slightly))[/QUOTE]

Some people live to hack these things... evidence is at forums.xbox-scene.com, and whatever the popular ps2 site is.

Video on the new systems are going to be amazing.. and there are some 1080p TV's but the prices are rediculous last I checked.. Im sure they still are.

[I Stang U]

one this is why the fuck is xbox not going with bluetooth for thier controlers and keyboard/mice. this is going to be the main reason i buy a ps3 over an xbox

[5.0Coupe93]

[QUOTE=I Stang U]one this is why the fuck is xbox not going with bluetooth for thier controlers and keyboard/mice. this is going to be the main reason i buy a ps3 over an xbox[/QUOTE]

your purchasing decision is based on the wireless technology for the controls?? :confused:

you'll be waiting a while for that ps3 :rolleyes:

[Geor!]

[QUOTE=Davidm97]why do you care
i will never touch a xbox game agian[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, I love your avatar.