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SVT93Style
07-12-2005, 11:33 AM
Isaiah 53 : Written 800 B.C.
The Suffering Servant.


Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD be revealed? For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no statley form or majesty that we should look up Him, Nor apperance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and like one from whom men hide their face, He was depised, and we did not esteem Him.
Surley our griefs He himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by scouring we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; but the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.
He was oppresed and He was afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so He did not open His mouth. By oppression and judgement He was taken away; and as for His generation, who considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? His grave was assigned with wicked men, yet He was with a rich man in His death, because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
But the LORD was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief; if He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. As a result on the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; by His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, as He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.

Just curious about a few things. In the original text....(Torah/Old T) is the words "He" and "Him" capitalized? What do you make of this text...I have once be told that this passage it not about the Messiah but about Israel? Is this in your view correct? Also if so....I have always seen Isreal refered to in a femine form not a masculine form....as far as I know Isreal ways always refered as "Her."

Hollywood
07-12-2005, 05:05 PM
I think so.

SVT93Style
07-14-2005, 03:27 AM
I think so.

????

Denny
07-14-2005, 06:08 AM
That passage definately talks about Christ. It was Isaiah's prophesy about His passion, even though He was rejected by everyone and tortured.

Hollywood
07-15-2005, 12:04 PM
????

What can I say, i'm not jewish, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night. :cool:

SVT93Style
07-15-2005, 12:07 PM
what are you talking about?

DarkWolf
07-15-2005, 12:34 PM
what are you talking about?

Heheh, you apparently haven't seen the Holiday Inn Express commericals

SVT93Style
07-15-2005, 03:40 PM
Haven't seen them but I guess the comment is anti-semitic?

DarkWolf
07-15-2005, 06:37 PM
Not at all. The commercials are a guy taking a shower in the morning, after staying the night at a Holiday Inn Express, and then suddenly it dawns on him that he knows everything. One of 'em has him, still in his bathtowel, performing emergency surgery, then moving on to close a huge corporate merger.

They end with someone asking him, say if he's a doctor, or ceo, or whatever, and he goes "Nope, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

SVT93Style
07-15-2005, 06:43 PM
I get it, thats pretty good :)

85GP4
08-05-2005, 10:44 PM
I am not Jewish, nor am I Christian... but I have studied both.
The King James Old Testament is technically NOT the Jewish Torah.
What you are reading is the most accepted Christian TRANSLATION.
If you read Isaiah 53 in a Jewish translation, you will find that he and him are not capitalized. Also, the original writtings of Isaiah did not have the KJV chapters inserted, and Jews believe the the "prophecy" actually starts at verse 52:13.

52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper."


Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God , as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54.


I am not trying to say that the chapter is not talking about a Messiah; I simply wanted to point out the Jewish perspective on this prophecy.