Is tamestang an idiot?

[AnotherRedHead]

" V-twins IMO are junk. I'm not forcing you accept it but theres not any of them out there that can hand with the inline motors so they are junk. "


Have you ever seen the vance and hines pro stock v twin. Did you know they had to add 75 lbs to that "junk" because the newly developed v twin motor made the bike TOO fast?

Anyone else have opinions on the subject? And why did you lock the post?

[grape]

did you know the current pro-stock harley is 3000 cc's, the same size as an F1 and IRL engine with fuel injection and 4 valves per cylinder. the jap bikes are 1375 with 2 valve heads with carburetors. harleys are shit and always will be, but what do you expect when you take 2 cylinders from a 9 cylinder pratt and whitney radial. :rolleyes:

[TonyMCev]

" V-twins IMO are junk. I'm not forcing you accept it but theres not any of them out there that can hand with the inline motors so they are junk. "


Have you ever seen the vance and hines pro stock v twin. Did you know they had to add 75 lbs to that "junk" because the newly developed v twin motor made the bike TOO fast?

Anyone else have opinions on the subject? And why did you lock the post?

lol...i think onebadwagon locked it because the shit talking was gonna get out of hand. and although i agree with the title of this thread, it will probably get deleted. lol...funny thread though.

as far as vtwins, i think we wll know they are not "junk". tamestang preaches about the twisties. well, some of the best rated bikes for twisties are buells, made by harley davidson. and do you know what they are powered by ?

[AnotherRedHead]

Yea, the harley is a big motor. But you are also working with 2 cyls, and 2 valves per cyl. Of course the cyls and valves and everything are going to be alot bigger. Do you know the jap engines are also roller bearing motors with pro stock cyl heads just as big as the harley. To each his own. You really can't compare apples to oranges. But with the right technology, twins are far from junk.

[grape]

the problem is the rules by nhra have it in such favor for harley it would be impossible for the harley to loose. The harley has 4 valves per cylinder while the jap bike uses the old KZ head layout that allan johnson is building out of billet, go figure a $7K dollar billet 2 valve motorcycle head. As far as the roller cranks, they both have them, yet due to the layout the harley again has the advantage in friction, 1 needle rod bearing and only two needle main bearings where the inline jap stuff has 5 needle mains and 4 needle rods. I wish the japanese would care enough to build a v-twin under the current pro-stock rules and show harley what they aren't in the engineering world.

[AnotherRedHead]

THe head is already made of billet. Listen, you can't really compare 2 cyl's to 4 cyls, one has 2, one has 4 LMAO. Of course their are differences, so the harleys got the advantage in friction but the 1375cc oil cooled's has 2 more pistons! lol They are trying to make the class even. This is why they stacked on 75 lbs when screamin eagle went a 7.01. Everyone thought a harley could never compete in pro stock, then they built a billet motor and busted everyones ass so they changed the rules to make it even. Thats pro STOCK racing for ya.

[grape]

The harley is 3000 cc's what part of that is fair with 1375 for the jap engines? two pistons, four pistons, who cares, the harley is a giant exercise in ineffeciency. I mean seriously we have 83 cubic inch engines with carbs and two valves verses 183 cubic inch engines with fuel injection and 4 valves per cylinder.

[BottleRocket]

The harley is 3000 cc's what part of that is fair with 1375 for the jap engines? two pistons, four pistons, who cares, the harley is a giant exercise in ineffeciency. I mean seriously we have 83 cubic inch engines with carbs and two valves verses 183 cubic inch engines with fuel injection and 4 valves per cylinder.


ok, so argue against the RC51, SV1000 and TLR. Hell, argue against a 999...

[Super Coupe]

It takes over twice the motor for a harlety to beat the jap inlines. But that makes me an idiot cause I'd rather have a jap inline motor thats half the size that goes just as fast. :rolleyes:

[evil jose]

It takes over twice the motor for a harlety to beat the jap inlines. But that makes me an idiot cause I'd rather have a jap inline motor thats half the size that goes just as fast. :rolleyes:

Bare in mind that just because a Harley has a V-Twin doesn't mean it's the SAME EXACT MOTOR that's in the TLR or an RC51.

[ELVIS]

It takes over twice the motor for a harlety to beat the jap inlines. But that makes me an idiot cause I'd rather have a jap inline motor thats half the size that goes just as fast. :rolleyes:

thats not it at all, the fact that your an idiot makes you an idiot. :D

god bless.

[Monsoon X]

I like both. Honestly though. I'd prefer an in-line to run the twisties and for general "fun-riding". For bike nights and trips, I'd like a sporty V-twin, such as Buell, TLR, RC51 or SV-1000 with fairings and other stuff.

[BCNU]

"
Have you ever seen the vance and hines pro stock v twin. Did you know they had to add 75 lbs to that "junk" because the newly developed v twin motor made the bike TOO fast?

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They were allowed to be 575 lbs in the beginning because even at 160 CI and w/FI they were unable to compete.After they finally got the big monster motor figured out, they added 40 lbs to make them 615 total compared to the 80 CI inline motors total weight of 600 lbs.

The rules were bought by V-H and HD. Everybody knows it.

Inlines are forced to run stock cases and cylinder spacing. That makes it almost impossible for the new inlines like the Busa or the 12 to ever be an option. Muzzy and Kawasaki put a ton of money into the ZX12 new generation motor PSB. They got no help in the form of rules like the HD's got.The twins gets to run billet cases with whatever spacing they want to clear the 5" pistons. They get to run FI as well. Its a sham.

If the rules were even in the same zip code the twins wouldnt stand a chance.

I think they are crap. Case in point...the most powerful v-twin on the market cant even come close to the performance of a GSXR600. At more than twice the price I might add.

Now that HD got the NHRA rules they wanted and they have the national record and the championship last year...
I formally invite them to go ahead and get into the performance bike market. Maybe if they me offered something fast I wouldnt be such a hater.

[Super Coupe]

Bare in mind that just because a Harley has a V-Twin doesn't mean it's the SAME EXACT MOTOR that's in the TLR or an RC51.

My bike puts out more power than all those bikes and weighs less so same for those too man.

[ELVIS]

My bike puts out more power than all those bikes and weighs less so same for those too man.


is that what your looking for??? :confused:

god bless.

[grape]

ok, so argue against the RC51, SV1000 and TLR. Hell, argue against a 999...

what is this an argument for, where do these engines compete in a class where 4 cylinders are allowed to be twice their displacement? And a modern 90 degree v-twin will kill the stupid harley 62 degree firing order thing with all else being equal. the harley layout and sound came from this firing order which is what they had when they removed the other 7 cylinders from the radial airplane engine from WWI.

[Super Coupe]

I think they are crap.

:D Finally someone who thinks like me!

[BCNU]

Oh yeah, As far as the v-twin Jap bikes.. they are marginally better. The only reason Japan built a twin is because of the American facination with the antique design.


NHRA and HD know that the Jap v-twin is a better design.... Thats why the NHRA rules state specifically "AMERICA v-twin Only"

[grape]

They were allowed to be 575 lbs in the beginning because even at 160 CI and w/FI they were unable to compete.After they finally got the big monster motor figured out, they added 40 lbs to make them 615 total compared to the 80 CI inline motors total weight of 600 lbs.

The rules were bought by V-H and HD. Everybody knows it.

Inlines are forced to run stock cases and cylinder spacing. That makes it almost impossible for the new inlines like the Busa or the 12 to ever be an option. Muzzy and Kawasaki put a ton of money into the ZX12 new generation motor PSB. They got no help in the form of rules like the HD's got.The twins gets to run billet cases with whatever spacing they want to clear the 5" pistons. They get to run FI as well. Its a sham.

If the rules were even in the same zip code the twins wouldnt stand a chance.

I think they are crap. Case in point...the most powerful v-twin on the market cant even come close to the performance of a GSXR600. At more than twice the price I might add.

Now that HD got the NHRA rules they wanted and they have the national record and the championship last year...
I formally invite them to go ahead and get into the performance bike market. Maybe if they me offered something fast I wouldnt be such a hater.

I think we share the same opinions :D

[Super Coupe]

is that what your looking for??? :confused:

god bless.

Who wants to ride an underpowered tank? Not me.

[ELVIS]

i like mine, you dont. why is this such a long thread? its not my fault your not big enough to handle a big boy bike. :D TOMMY BOY "he just a wittle guy"TOMMY BOY

god bless.

[Super Coupe]

i like mine, you dont. why is this such a long thread? its not my fault your not big enough to handle a big boy bike. :D

god bless.

It ain't my fault your big boy bike won't out run my little boy bike. :cool:

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Who wants to ride an underpowered tank? Not me.I do, too. :cool:

[grape]

I have no problems with Harleys, they are what they are and performance is not what they are marketed for. However, most big harley riders enjoy making fun of my dad's little ole' sportster, untill they can't see the tail light anymore. 80 hp in a sportster usually will get it done compaired to any of the rubber mounted big bikes. Yet by no means is it fast, a modern 600 with a plug wire unhooked will destroy it.

[BCNU]

Yet by no means is it fast, a modern 600 with a plug wire unhooked will destroy it.
Thats my point exactly... For cruising they are fine.
Just dont try and tell me the are a performance design. If they were, they wouldnt need to be double the size to make the same power.

I would say the same things if NHRA decided to let 1000 CI four cylinder Fuel injected Honda Civics run in Pro-Stock (Car)

[bucky]

My bike puts out more power than all those bikes and weighs less so same for those too man.

My ZX12 makes more power than your ZX6 so your bike is definately junk

[bucky]

BTW...these arguments are totally pointless on the street.People buy their bikes for completely different reasons.Speed isnt the number one factor to alot of people.

[TonyMCev]

BTW...these arguments are totally pointless on the street.People buy their bikes for completely different reasons.Speed isnt the number one factor to alot of people.

what you just said sums it all up. plain and simple. but for the rider of one style of motorcycle to call vtwins "junk" is just completely asinine...

fyi, i am not a vtwin rider. i have a zx-7r. but i am not narrowminded like others here...

[92Notch]

I do, too. :cool:everyone knows you are an idiot

[Nick Chapman]

I think they are crap. Case in point...the most powerful v-twin on the market cant even come close to the performance of a GSXR600. At more than twice the price I might add.


I'm gonna have to disagree. TheTL1000R, RC51 and the Ducati's(sportbikes) will all beat the GSXR600.

And JC, the Ducati twins(sportbikes) are much more fun in the twisty's that any 4 cyclinder that I have ever ridden.

[TonyMCev]

And JC, the Ducati twins(sportbikes) are much more fun in the twisty's that any 4 cyclinder that I have ever ridden.

i have to agree. the 2 main guys i ride with have a ducati 750ss and a buell xb9, and these guys are VICIOUS in the twisties...

[GARS04]

I would have to say about 99% of you have probably never come close to touching the full potential of your bikes in the Corners, Im sure and experienced rider on a V-twin could probably run away from any of you ass munches.

Nick's just a dumb dick anyway.........hell he don't even have a bike. He just likes to live vicariously through others, TRUST ME. :D

[evil jose]

Nick's just a dumb dick anyway.........hell he don't even have a bike. He just likes to live vicariously through others, TRUST ME. :D

LMAO!

[Nick Chapman]

I would have to say about 99% of you have probably never come close to touching the full potential of your bikes in the Corners, Im sure and experienced rider on a V-twin could probably run away from any of you ass munches.

Nick's just a dumb dick anyway.........hell he don't even have a bike. He just likes to live vicariously through others, TRUST ME. :D


Are you talking about another red head or me? Cause I don't think I know you ;)
And I ride my bikes to thier fullest potential.........and them some :D

[RED]

I would have to say about 99% of you have probably never come close to touching the full potential of your bikes in the Corners, Im sure and experienced rider on a V-twin could probably run away from any of you ass munches.

Nick's just a dumb dick anyway.........hell he don't even have a bike. He just likes to live vicariously through others, TRUST ME. :D


n737nc, post a pic for him to understand. Was it Kawi6R you used to ride pro?

[Nick Chapman]

n737nc, post a pic for him to understand. Was it Kawi6R you used to ride pro?



I rode the Kaw in AMA. I'm still Pro, just on a GP bike. They are much more fun than ANY other bike. 125cc, 43hp, 150 pounds and I can pass 600's, 750's and 1000's :D Those big bike guys love it when I come slidding underneath them in a corner :D

Don't have any pictures at work. Maybe I can find some later on on the computer at home.

[TonyMCev]

I rode the Kaw in AMA. I'm still Pro, just on a GP bike. They are much more fun than ANY other bike. 125cc, 43hp, 150 pounds and I can pass 600's, 750's and 1000's :D Thos big bike guys love it when I come slidding underneath them in a corner :D

NO SHIT !!! i have watched cmra out at oak hill, and man those little bikes carry some freakin' ass speed into the corners. it is unbelievable...

[bucky]

Proof that bigger isn't always better

[gizmopsycle]

doesnt harley outsale japs though?? this seems kind of like an argument between mustangs and camaros. just pointless

[BCNU]

I'm gonna have to disagree. TheTL1000R, RC51 and the Ducati's(sportbikes) will all beat the GSXR600.

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I would have to see it to believe it. Maybe the Ducati and I heavily stress the maybe part.
If you read back I said the import twins are a little better.
Still a twin is not a good performance design. Even the people who designed it would tell you that.

[Nick Chapman]

I would have to see it to believe it. Maybe the Ducati and I heavily stress the maybe part.
If you read back I said the import twins are a little better.
Still a twin is not a good performance design. Even the people who designed it would tell you that.



I ride a Ducati 748. It's the smallest in thier sportbike lineup. I know that I can outride a GSXR600 on it. And trust me, I have pushed the Ducati, the Kawasaki's, Suzuki's and a few Honda's well past thier limits. And I can ride the Duc a lot faster. Not saying that I am the best rider by any means. But, I can push them pretty hard.
Watch some of the AMA or World superbike stuff. The Duc's place pretty high in the finish, and a lot of times they are 1st, 2nd or 3rd. And 90% of the field is on Jap bikes. So, maybe you've just had a bad experience with the twins? Or maybe you just haven't rode the right ones ;)

[BCNU]

, maybe you've just had a bad experience with the twins? Or maybe you just haven't rode the right ones ;)

We were actually talking about engines in this thread, not what ama superbike finishes where. I was talking motors, not bikes.The example being used was Drag Racing. Pro-Stock bike to be exact.
Nonetheless
I looked up the HP rating on that RC51 and its 130 hp. Thats your state of the art 1000cc 90 degree v-twin with the 4 valve head. A buck thirty at the coutershaft....
I'll pass.

[Super Coupe]

They had some kind of ducati in the middle weight shootout in cycle world or something like that and it did not do that well. All the jap bikes did better. I think they also had the daytona. I dont have the mag anymore maybe someone can post those results but we were talking about engines. Not rider skill or preference. :rolleyes:

[stunter bob]

i dont hate v twins but i cant stand the way they sound....they are slower
i raced a sv650s and it was not even a race really.....dead stop or from a roll i took him easily
but the v twins make hella torque...thats about the only upside i can think of

[bucky]

We were actually talking about engines in this thread, not what ama superbike finishes where. I was talking motors, not bikes.The example being used was Drag Racing. Pro-Stock bike to be exact.
Nonetheless
I looked up the HP rating on that RC51 and its 130 hp. Thats your state of the art 1000cc 90 degree v-twin with the 4 valve head. A buck thirty at the coutershaft....
I'll pass.

Damn just 130hp. What a piece of shit. :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

Damn just 130hp. What a piece of shit. :rolleyes:

That is not to good for a liter bike. I bet you my bike would dyno close to the same HP as that thing to the wheel.

[bucky]

That is not to good for a liter bike. I bet you my bike would dyno close to the same HP as that thing to the wheel.

Lets compare torque curves

[Super Coupe]

Lets compare torque curves

Why do I need more torque I can't keep the front down for the first two gears anyways. That heavy ass Rc51 needs it though its a good 100 pounds heavier.

How about you find someone with one and we will line them up? Thats the best way to do it right there.

[cbrjames]

Well i really don't know what you kids are arguing about, but, i like v-twins. I've never owned one, but i wouldn't mind having an RC, or even a TL. I love the sound they make. I know someone stated earlier that they didn't like the sound. Its all a matter of PERSONAL PREFERENCE!! Now granted i still wouldn't choose one over a litre bike, but i think i would over any 600. Ok, so i was bored, and thought i'd add my .02. :cool:

[SHS Slugur]

Why do I need more torque I can't keep the front down for the first two gears anyways. That heavy ass Rc51 needs it though its a good 100 pounds heavier.

How about you find someone with one and we will line them up? Thats the best way to do it right there.

But I would love to have that linear powerband of a v-twin in the twisties. You can dial in the power perfectly as you are cornering.

[bucky]

Why do I need more torque I can't keep the front down for the first two gears anyways. That heavy ass Rc51 needs it though its a good 100 pounds heavier.

How about you find someone with one and we will line them up? Thats the best way to do it right there.

Again what does that prove? This argument is futile. If your bike is a tenth faster its better and the other one is junk?
Dude, go trade your bike for a 10R so you can relinquish yours to "junk" status

[cbrjames]

Hey tamestang, what do you ride anyways?

[Super Coupe]

Hey tamestang, what do you ride anyways?

It's in my sig. Silver 03 kawasaki zx6r.

[Super Coupe]

Again what does that prove? This argument is futile. If your bike is a tenth faster its better and the other one is junk?
Dude, go trade your bike for a 10R so you can relinquish yours to "junk" status

I would if I had the money! :)

[grape]

<---------just builds engines, so educate me, knows nothing about bikes that they come out of.

But I don't know where the handling argument came from. I was always under the impression that a v-twin handled better than an inline due to the mass being narrower. The original argument was that harley still doesn't make power, or to make equal power as an inline it takes over twice the displacement.

[BottleRocket]

Oh yeah, As far as the v-twin Jap bikes.. they are marginally better. The only reason Japan built a twin is because of the American facination with the antique design.


NHRA and HD know that the Jap v-twin is a better design.... Thats why the NHRA rules state specifically "AMERICA v-twin Only"



youre a fucking moron. so Honda races a V-twin in MotoGP to satisfy an American Facination? shit you are stupid

[BottleRocket]

Hey tamestang, what do you ride anyways?

a Ninja, because all of the cool kids ride em :cool:

[cbrjames]

a Ninja, because all of the cool kids ride em :cool:

Lmao at your last 2 posts

[Super Coupe]

youre a fucking moron. so Honda races a V-twin in MotoGP to satisfy an American Facination? shit you are stupid

Honda does not race a Vtwin in motogp. Talk about being a moron. :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

a Ninja, because all of the cool kids ride em :cool:

Wanna race?

[cbrjames]

Honda does not race a Vtwin in motogp. Talk about being a moron. :rolleyes:

Dude, your a damn tool! Its obvious you can't detect sarcasm!

[Super Coupe]

Dude, your a damn tool! Its obvious you can't detect sarcasm!

How is that being sarcastic?

[cbrjames]

Go reread bottlerockets post on motogp!

[Super Coupe]

I did and it says Honda races a Vtwin to satisfy an american facination. They are like V5s or something.

[Pro Trash]

They had some kind of ducati in the middle weight shootout in cycle world or something like that and it did not do that well. All the jap bikes did better. I think they also had the daytona. I dont have the mag anymore maybe someone can post those results but we were talking about engines. Not rider skill or preference. :rolleyes:

I have a v-twin, it is a Buell XB9S and I'll tell you this I didn't see many jap bikes this weekend on the way back from the ROT Bike meeting in Austin this past weekend. I saw some old geezers pushing some Road Kings, Dyna's and other V-twin bikes with young very attractive women straddling their asses. I go out riding with my friends and everyone loves my Buell. Of course I truly like bikes in general wether they are Asian, European or American. Your ideas on bikes reminds me of you getting your ass handed to by Andrew constantly. I guess you just have to have a certain amount of drama(crying) in your life. So I suppose when you aren't setting on the couch by your ole lady woofing down bon bons watching Days of Lives, you come on here, say something really stupid and slapped around verbally. With that I have figured it out, you were abused as a child and this is just a way of life for you. If someone isn't calling you dumbass then you just don't feel normal. :)

[Super Coupe]

I have a v-twin, it is a Buell XB9S and I'll tell you this I didn't see many jap bikes this weekend on the way back from the ROT Bike meeting in Austin this past weekend. I saw some old geezers pushing some Road Kings, Dyna's and other V-twin bikes with young very attractive women straddling their asses. I go out riding with my friends and everyone loves my Buell. Of course I truly like bikes in general wether they are Asian, European or American. Your ideas on bikes reminds me of you getting your ass handed to by Andrew constantly. I guess you just have to have a certain amount of drama(crying) in your life. So I suppose when you aren't setting on the couch by your ole lady woofing down bon bons watching Days of Lives, you come on here, say something really stupid and slapped around verbally. With that I have figured it out, you were abused as a child and this is just a way of life for you. If someone isn't calling you dumbass then you just don't feel normal. :)

Do you want to race?

[Super Coupe]

Put Andrew on a Vtwin and I will smoke him down. :)

[cbrjames]

I did and it says Honda races a Vtwin to satisfy an american facination. They are like V5s or something.

Nevermind man, i give up on you.

[TonyMCev]

Nevermind man, i give up on you.

in one of these threads i call him a "lost cause". do ya feel me ???

[Super Coupe]

I think it is funny how you get on here with two wrecks, running 12s in the quarter, and then try and question me on bikes and telling me I am a lost cause.

[TonyMCev]

I think it is funny how you get on here with two wrecks, running 12s in the quarter, and then try and question me on bikes and telling me I am a lost cause.

lol...someone has been studying me. yes sir, i have had 2 wrecks. when you start riding your bike as hard as you need to to talk all the shit you do, you will have wrecks too. ask anyone who has raced on any circuit how many times they have been down, be it road or track, and i bet none of them has never wrecked. keep digging youngster...

[TonyMCev]

me calling you a "lost cause" has nothing to do with your skill as a rider, but with your attitude as a motorcyclist...

[Super Coupe]

lol...someone has been studying me. yes sir, i have had 2 wrecks. when you start riding your bike as hard as you need to to talk all the shit you do, you will have wrecks too. ask anyone who has raced on any circuit how many times they have been down, be it road or track, and i bet none of them has never wrecked. keep digging youngster...

Sounds like you are telling me you ride harder than me? Well I'm down to find out whenever you get another bike or get one fixed. We and a some friends of mine are heading out to oak hill to ride in a couple weeks if you want to come with us and ride the track.

[Super Coupe]

me calling you a "lost cause" has nothing to do with your skill as a rider, but with your attitude as a motorcyclist...

I did not say tl100s are junk. I did not say RC51s are junk. Just the design of the motors are.

The bikes look bad ass. They just need more power for how big they are.

[TonyMCev]

I did not say tl100s are junk. I did not say RC51s are junk. Just the design of the motors are.

and you still do not get it. you not agreeing with the engineering of something does not make it junk. plain and simple. hell, out at oak hill in a couple of weeks, ask the other riders if a vtwin is "junk". you can tell the true motorcyclists from the punkass kids (you) by their answer...

[Super Coupe]

I have no doubts I will wreck and it could be tomorrow and it could be years from now. I have had the back end slide out about a foot going around turns (just let up a little and it came back underneath me), I have had massive headshake coming off corners under full power while hitting ruts in the road, Going a little hot in the corners (just kept my eyes at the end of the turn and came out good). Gravel in the road while hitting turns hard (just applied rear brake and took the lean out of the bike). I ride plenty hard to wreck whenever I do ride hard.

[Super Coupe]

and you still do not get it. you not agreeing with the engineering of something does not make it junk. plain and simple. hell, out at oak hill in a couple of weeks, ask the other riders if a vtwin is "junk". you can tell the true motorcyclists from the punkass kids (you) by their answer...

Bitch don't tell me that bike guys don't talk shit about other bikes. When I go ride with my friends and go ride at the tracks all I hear is POS kawi when u going to get smart and get a yamaha. I don't think of them any less everyone has their own opinion.

[TonyMCev]

I have no doubts I will wreck and it could be tomorrow and it could be years from now. I have had the back end slide out about a foot going around turns (just let up a little and it came back underneath me), I have had massive headshake coming off corners under full power while hitting ruts in the road, Going a little hot in the corners (just kept my eyes at the end of the turn and came out good). Gravel in the road while hitting turns hard (just applied rear brake and took the lean out of the bike). I ride plenty hard to wreck whenever I do ride hard.

you know what, i do not doubt that you are a good rider. you sound like you know your shit. i just take offense when a fellow biker makes a statement like what you made. maybe this will work...are you a football fan ?

if you were on a team that ran a 4-3 defense...

would you say that a team that ran a 3-4 was running a "junk" defense ?

no...its just a different style...

see what i'm getting at ?

[cbrjames]

Oh it just keeps getting deeper, and deeper. This is entertaining though.

[Super Coupe]

you know what, i do not doubt that you are a good rider. you sound like you know your shit. i just take offense when a fellow biker makes a statement like what you made. maybe this will work...are you a football fan ?

if you were on a team that ran a 4-3 defense...

would you say that a team that ran a 3-4 was running a "junk" defense ?

no...its just a different style...

see what i'm getting at ?

Well if the team played better defense with a 4-3 than a 3-4 then the 3-4 is junk to them and useless. :D

I know what you are saying man. I give up. If you like V-twins thats cool some people have different riding styles. Mine is highrevving high strung while someone else may like the hard hitting torque of the V. Im sure I will get my ass handed to me by a Vtwin pretty soon just because of this. :(

[TonyMCev]

Nevermind man, i give up on you.

;)

[cbrjames]

Hey tamestang, can i ask you a question? What kind of bike did Colin Edwards win his world championship on?

[Super Coupe]

Hey tamestang, can i ask you a question? What kind of bike did Colin Edwards win his world championship on?

I'm not sure. What class of racing was this and what were the rules on modifications to the bike and cc displacement?

[TonyMCev]

I'm not sure. What class of racing was this and what were the rules on modifications to the bike and cc displacement?

and he still misses the point...

[Super Coupe]

If I had to guess he was on a bad ass v-twin cause thats where its at! :rolleyes:

[cbrjames]

and he still misses the point...

Yeah, i TRIED to take an easy route, but obviously i missed the turn on that one too.

[TonyMCev]

If I had to guess he was on a bad ass v-twin cause thats where its at! :rolleyes:

tamestang, please note his name. it is CBR james. i know you know a cbr is not a vtwin. and if you look at his profile, one of his messenger names has GIXXER in it (as in GSXR), another non vtwin. so, point is, he is not a vtwin rider, just a true motorcyclist that has an open mind. he nor i are bashing you for your riding preference or bike style. just the closed mind that sits atop your shoulders...

[cbrjames]

tamestang, please note his name. it is CBR james. i know you know a cbr is not a vtwin. and if you look at his profile, one of his messenger names has GIXXER in it (as in GSXR), another non vtwin. so, point is, he is not a vtwin rider, just a true motorcyclist that has an open mind. he nor i are bashing you for your riding preference or bike style. just the closed mind that sits atop your shoulders...

Wow, i couldn't have said it any better myself.


Oh, and the other....sbk_racer, meaning Superbike Racer! Think i might know a little about racing too?













Nosey bastid ;) J/k

[TonyMCev]

Nosey bastid ;) J/k

just a little homework... ;)

[Super Coupe]

tamestang, please note his name. it is CBR james. i know you know a cbr is not a vtwin. and if you look at his profile, one of his messenger names has GIXXER in it (as in GSXR), another non vtwin. so, point is, he is not a vtwin rider, just a true motorcyclist that has an open mind. he nor i are bashing you for your riding preference or bike style. just the closed mind that sits atop your shoulders...

Yall are just to open minded with no opinions. My uncle has a harley V-twin. He gives me all kinds of crap about my bike but he is no less of a bike rider than me. My grandpa had a goldwing for 20 years. He always cracks about my bike and i made jokes about his but we don't think any less of each other. My cousin had a Honda RC-51 V-TWIN!!!! That was the first sport bike I have ever ridden EVER! I loved it it was the sweetest thing I have ever been on. He got rid of it and got his 04 Yamaha R1. I rode it and it felt like twice the bike of that honda and thats where i never looked back. Just don't like them and yall continue to hound me about my opinion saying I am not a true rider cause of a stupid opinion about a freaking engine.

EDIT: My grandpa just got a little V-twin suzuki to cruise around now that he got rid of his goldwing and I rode it home for him from the dealership and still cruise around on it sometimes. So that means I ride cruiser v-twin bikes and sportbikes so how is that a closed mind? But it doesnt mean i like the V-twin motor.

[TonyMCev]

Yall are just to open minded with no opinions. My uncle has a harley V-twin. He gives me all kinds of crap about my bike but he is no less of a bike rider than me. My grandpa had a goldwing for 20 years. He always cracks about my bike and i made jokes about his but we don't think any less of each other. My cousin had a Honda RC-51 V-TWIN!!!! That was the first sport bike I have ever ridden EVER! I loved it it was the sweetest thing I have ever been on. He got rid of it and got his 04 Yamaha R1. I rode it and it felt like twice the bike of that honda and thats where i never looked back. Just don't like them and yall continue to hound me about my opinion saying I am not a true rider cause of a stupid opinion about a freaking engine.

EDIT: My grandpa just got a little V-twin suzuki to cruise around now that he got rid of his goldwing and I rode it home for him from the dealership and still cruise around on it sometimes. So that means I ride cruiser v-twin bikes and sportbikes so how is that a closed mind? But it doesnt mean i like the V-twin motor.

i realize we are both males and we are both humans. just know that if we were both males and we were both dogs, i'd get behind you and hump you...

[Super Coupe]

i realize we are both males and we are both humans. just know that if we were both males and we were both dogs, i'd get behind you and hump you...

What a fag!

[TonyMCev]

What a fag!

have you ever heard of the alpha male ?

[cbrjames]

i realize we are both males and we are both humans. just know that if we were both males and we were both dogs, i'd get behind you and hump you...

Lmgdao!!!

[Super Coupe]

Maybe in the next life we will be dogs and we can meet up and see who humps who! :)

[TonyMCev]

Maybe in the next life we will be dogs and we can meet up and see who humps who! :)

you must have went to google and looked up "alpha male"...

[Super Coupe]

I'm out ladies. I got work at 6. I will be screaming my inline 4 all the way to work! I bet that crap sounds good at 5:30 in the morning at 15k rpms! :)

[TonyMCev]

I'm out ladies. I got work at 6. I will be screaming my inline 4 all the way to work! I bet that crap sounds good at 5:30 in the morning at 15k rpms! :)

nite, sweetie...

[cbrjames]

Pfffft

[BottleRocket]

I did not say tl100s are junk. I did not say RC51s are junk. Just the design of the motors are.

The bikes look bad ass. They just need more power for how big they are.


they have plenty of power. they just have a way different powerband. unlike your bike, they dont have to rev to the fucking moon to get going.

[BottleRocket]

I'm out ladies. I got work at 6. I will be screaming my inline 4 all the way to work! I bet that crap sounds good at 5:30 in the morning at 15k rpms! :)


exactly

[BottleRocket]

I did and it says Honda races a Vtwin to satisfy an american facination. They are like V5s or something.


also, you forgot that Ducati is on the bandwagon and they are only building twins to satisfy us Americans and out facination with V-twins.

[BCNU]

but the v twins make hella torque...thats about the only upside i can think of
Here we go again. I knew torque would come up.

Why is it that torque only count to most people at low rpm?


If a twin makes 90 lbs/ft of torque at 6800 and an inline makes 125 lbs/ft at 9000.... which bike has more torque?

[BCNU]

One of you guys just needs to get a bad ass Ducati and take it to Kennadale and see how it stacks up.

Steer clear of the kid on the zx6 or the GSXR or your gonna get your feelings hurt.

[Danny]

I rarely come into this forum, but I saw the thread title and thought I would share. Without reading the thread, I can say that YES tamestang is an idiot. :D lol


If a twin makes 90 lbs/ft of torque at 6800 and an inline makes 125 lbs/ft at 9000.... which bike has more torque?6800 RPM Harley.. lol.

[BCNU]

6800 RPM Harley.. lol.

That RC51 v-twin makes peak torque at 8000 rpm (71 lbs/ft) Peak HP is at 10,000.

But your right... a Harley probably wouldnt make it to 6800.

[92Notch]

LMFAO at the title of this thread

[Nick Chapman]

also, you forgot that Ducati is on the bandwagon and they are only building twins to satisfy us Americans and out facination with V-twins.

Thats a total crock! Ducati has been building twins for a very long time, way before they ever even thought about shipping bikes to the US. The twin is kinda like their signature. All of their bikes are twins. And, I'm not sure on the exact #'s, but less than half of their bikes that are produced come to the US.

[BlueLT1SS]

Thats a total crock! Ducati has been building twins for a very long time, way before they ever even thought about shipping bikes to the US. The twin is kinda like their signature. All of their bikes are twins. And, I'm not sure on the exact #'s, but less than half of their bikes that are produced come to the US.
i think bottlerocket was being sarcastic. im sure the US isnt even a big part of their sales, although i could be wrong.
to be honest, the reason i bought my daytona after my duc749 is the sound of the inline. the power was missing, too. my 2001 yamaha r6 seemed faster than my 2004 ducati 749. but boy did that bike love, i mean LOVE, taking corners. i would still like to get another one a few years down the road. or a used agusta. i love italian superbikes. :D

[cbrjames]

Droooooolllll.....[Homer Simpson] MV Agusta F4 [Homer Simpson]

[Nick Chapman]

i think bottlerocket was being sarcastic. im sure the US isnt even a big part of their sales, although i could be wrong.


Opps :D Guess I can't tell sarcasm, sorry :D

There is a used MV up at that BMW/Ducati dealership in Plano. The one on K street. I think it was right at $15k.

[cbrjames]

Opps :D Guess I can't tell sarcasm, sorry :D

There is a used MV up at that BMW/Ducati dealership in Plano. The one on K street. I think it was right at $15k.

Wow, now i guess you and tamestang have something in common. :D

[Nick Chapman]

Wow, now i guess you and tamestang have something in common. :D



Oh, now I see how it is. :D
Hey, your friends with Ty? I've know Ty for a little over 10 years. Back in the day when we all used to travel together to the WERA nationals, Ty would always throw his bike down the track, then come to me and try to ride mine. I let him ride it once, and he threw it down too :rolleyes: He didn't get to ride it again :D

We haven't had a chance to talk here recently. Everytime we try to talk, he's either getting ready for a race or I am. Tell him Nick Chapman said hi.

[Monsoon X]

Opps :D Guess I can't tell sarcasm, sorry :D

There is a used MV up at that BMW/Ducati dealership in Plano. The one on K street. I think it was right at $15k.


I could drive by there and be back in 5 mins. :D

<------------works close by it.

[Nick Chapman]

I could drive by there and be back in 5 mins. :D

<------------works close by it.


Well, go get it :D

[Monsoon X]

Well, go get it :D


I'm 2k short :(

[AnotherRedHead]

an agusta m4?

[BlueLT1SS]

15k is out my price range :) hell my current bike is being sold b/c 6k is out of my current price range. hopefully in a few years :dreaming:

[cbrjames]

Oh, now I see how it is. :D
Hey, your friends with Ty? I've know Ty for a little over 10 years. Back in the day when we all used to travel together to the WERA nationals, Ty would always throw his bike down the track, then come to me and try to ride mine. I let him ride it once, and he threw it down too :rolleyes: He didn't get to ride it again :D

We haven't had a chance to talk here recently. Everytime we try to talk, he's either getting ready for a race or I am. Tell him Nick Chapman said hi.

Your name sounds real familiar. You raced CMRA right? I don't talk to Ty all that often, maybe like once a month if that.

[Nick Chapman]

Your name sounds real familiar. You raced CMRA right? I don't talk to Ty all that often, maybe like once a month if that.


Yeah, I race CMRA, AMA, USGPRU, WERA. Pretty much anybody that will let me on the track :D

[cbrjames]

Yeah, I race CMRA, AMA, USGPRU, WERA. Pretty much anybody that will let me on the track :D

How long have you been in CMRA? I raced there 99-03.

[Nick Chapman]

How long have you been in CMRA? I raced there 99-03.



Since about 1990. Been out there quite a while.

[cbrjames]

Since about 1990. Been out there quite a while.

We probably know each other, but just don't remember. I've got a bad memory wen it comes to names, and people i don't talk to often. I raced for Shogun my last 2 years there. What are you running now?

Ok, we're getting off topic now. Back to the v-twin battle!

[BottleRocket]

Thats a total crock! Ducati has been building twins for a very long time, way before they ever even thought about shipping bikes to the US. The twin is kinda like their signature. All of their bikes are twins. And, I'm not sure on the exact #'s, but less than half of their bikes that are produced come to the US.


sorry, sarcasm doesnt work online. I was being sarcastic because they were saying the only reason japs build v-twins are to satisfy an american facination. so why does Duc build them?

[Nick Chapman]

We probably know each other, but just don't remember. I've got a bad memory wen it comes to names, and people i don't talk to often. I raced for Shogun my last 2 years there. What are you running now?

Ok, we're getting off topic now. Back to the v-twin battle!


Probably have at least seen each other. I'm racing a RS125. Just kinda out there for fun now a days. Not chasing any money, although I am really seriously considering getting a Kaw or Suz and going after some of that cash. Can't touch Ty out there. But a 2nd or 3rd is possible.

[cbrjames]

Probably have at least seen each other. I'm racing a RS125. Just kinda out there for fun now a days. Not chasing any money, although I am really seriously considering getting a Kaw or Suz and going after some of that cash. Can't touch Ty out there. But a 2nd or 3rd is possible.

Haha, yeah, sometimes i wish i could just pull up along side of him, and kick him off! :eek: He's damn fast! Hell, i can't even catch up to him. I wouldn't mind racing again if i had the $$, but i'd like to try a twin.

[Monsoon X]

I'm faster than Nick. Just like I was in my Camaro vs. his Mustang. :p

[Nick Chapman]

I'm faster than Nick. Just like I was in my Camaro vs. his Mustang. :p


Yep! Smoked my ass!
I'd probably just be too scared to even show up if you did ever challenge me :D:D:D

[Super Coupe]

they have plenty of power. they just have a way different powerband. unlike your bike, they dont have to rev to the fucking moon to get going.

Did you ever stop and think about thats why my bike makes its power? Cause it can rev so high and still keep on making more and more power. Who cares if you rev it to the moon it sounds good and it doesnt even care.

[Super Coupe]

One of you guys just needs to get a bad ass Ducati and take it to Kennadale and see how it stacks up.

Steer clear of the kid on the zx6 or the GSXR or your gonna get your feelings hurt.

Yeah and pay about a 1/3 of what that duc cost.

[XR_1]

i realize we are both males and we are both humans. just know that if we were both males and we were both dogs, i'd get behind you and hump you...

hmmm... yea.... that didnt sound right :confused:

Also he ask to race, yet the trash talkers just keep coming out with more BS

And Ducati's and Harley's are nice but slow :cool:

[Super Coupe]

hmmm... yea.... that didnt sound right :confused:

Also he ask to race, yet the trash talkers just keep coming out with more BS

And Ducati's and Harley's are nice but slow :cool:

Well that tony guy runs twelves on a 700. I could do that without leaving 2nd gear. So I don't think that would be a very good race. I am in the 10.7 range I would like to think.

[Pro Trash]

I think it is funny how you get on here with two wrecks, running 12s in the quarter, and then try and question me on bikes and telling me I am a lost cause.


I wadded up my ZX-6 in 1994 and spent a few days in the hospital. Also wrecked up my briggs and straton powered mini bike back in 1978 which cost me a few stitches. If you ride long enough and hang it ou there you will end up with an arm or back that looks like hamburger.

Also in reference to "do you wanna race?" My question is what against your bike or the pile you call a car that seems to come out with a unconditional bag of excuses everytime you have to push it back on the trailer after you try to make a pass. So if we do race and you do loose what then? Let me guess, did your foot slip? Clutch Slip? Mouth Slip? Oh come on now you bring more fire on yourself on this site than a gang of insurgents throwing rocks at an Apache gun ship while burning the Stars and Bars in Iraq. :)

[Super Coupe]

I don't know what you are talking about about my car. It isn't fast enough to break. Well it is now. Thank god for N2O. :) But yeah I have never loaded it on the trailer with it broke. Lately I have been just cruisin around some back roads since I got some good mufflers for it and just kinda enjoying it even though I don't have the money to get it street legal (insurance and crap).

Anyways. I don't care when do you want to race? Where would we race at? Let me guess you have like a stretched bottle fed gixxer 1k or something crazy like that. I don't care just name a place and a date and place I can work with. I'm not scared to come out and race.

[TonyMCev]

hmmm... yea.... that didnt sound right

alright, so you wanna join in...the point i was making and the point that is so disturbing to have to point out to you is that everything tamestang said is so amazingly stupid that he obviously cannot be the alpha male (google it, brainchild)...

[TonyMCev]

Well that tony guy runs twelves on a 700. I could do that without leaving 2nd gear. So I don't think that would be a very good race. I am in the 10.7 range I would like to think.

and the point you fail to realize, sweetie, is that i do not claim to be faster than you in the quarter mile. in fact, after posting this, i will claim you as faster in the quarter mile in my sig. the reason i do not like you as a motorcycle rider is because of your very stupid statements. and anyone that keeps up with our motorcycle forum ("our" being dfwstangs) will know the main statement that i am talking about...

[BottleRocket]

Did you ever stop and think about thats why my bike makes its power? Cause it can rev so high and still keep on making more and more power. Who cares if you rev it to the moon it sounds good and it doesnt even care.


yeah i thought about it. did you ever stop to think that people like usable power? daily driving/riding works well with low-mid range torque. if you want to race all the time, top end is good. stop bashing on V-twins just because it isnt yours and you are a closed-minded fuck

[cbrjames]

Own3d!!!!

[ELVIS]

So if we do race and you do loose what then? Let me guess, did your foot slip? Clutch Slip? Mouth Slip? Oh come on now you bring more fire on yourself on this site than a gang of insurgents throwing rocks at an Apache gun ship while burning the Stars and Bars in Iraq. :)

i like this guy! :D

god bless.

[grape]

I heard the ferrari F1 program is so impressed by Harley's V-twin efficiency they are looking at throwing their 3000 cc V10 that makes over 800 hp in the trash and trying to adopt Harley's new 3000 cc v-twin that makes a whopping 330 hp. V-twins are the greatest performance design ever :rolleyes:

they figure that based on what you guys are saying that even though they are 500 hp down, that the v-twin has so much more useable torque that they can out run the BMW and Renault.

[eastsidetorino]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Its like comparing a Ferrari enzo to a Pro-Mod dragster. Sorry, but a inline engine design is wide. Wide motor makes a worse turn turn in rate. Hence the reason why alot of people are more comfortable taking an R6 through corners than a gixxer. I know quite a few SV650s that will hand a gixxer 600 its ass around Hallett, or MSR. (assuming both riders are amateur riders) I havent been to the track, but about 80% of the race bikes I get to make pretty for the next race are Vtwins, so I think I'm safe in assuming that Vtwins outnumber inline 4s at the track.

I think its safe to say with the exception of one or two people here, as riders we dont know how to push the bikes to their limit, and at our skill level now, and even 5 years into the future, we would still be faster with a Vtwin around a track than we would with our street ridden inline 4s

[Super Coupe]

and the point you fail to realize, sweetie, is that i do not claim to be faster than you in the quarter mile. in fact, after posting this, i will claim you as faster in the quarter mile in my sig. the reason i do not like you as a motorcycle rider is because of your very stupid statements. and anyone that keeps up with our motorcycle forum ("our" being dfwstangs) will know the main statement that i am talking about...

"Ford motors are junk" Oh crap now I bet the whole board hates me. It is just an opinion if you can't accept it then shut your face. I don't care if you think they aren't junk that doesn't change my opinion. If I want to pay more money for a ducati to run slower then thats what I will do. If I want to pay less money for a SV650 to "turn in" better and be a turd everywhere else that's what I will do. I know if I go to the track I will get beat by some V-twins just because the riders are better than me and have more experience. There was a whole group of V-twins behind me at Cresson in a practice session and a couple pulled up next to me only to get passed coming off the corner and down the straight. :)

[Super Coupe]

yeah i thought about it. did you ever stop to think that people like usable power? daily driving/riding works well with low-mid range torque. if you want to race all the time, top end is good. stop bashing on V-twins just because it isnt yours and you are a closed-minded fuck

When a dfwstanger with the same cc vtwin smokes me down then I may stop calling them junk.

[BottleRocket]

When a dfwstanger with the same cc vtwin smokes me down then I may stop calling them junk.


smokes you in what? endurance ride? ill put money on that

[Nick Chapman]

When a dfwstanger with the same cc vtwin smokes me down then I may stop calling them junk.



What size is your bike? What kind of racing are you talking about? I may be up for that challenge if we take it to a roadrace course ;) Hell, I'll even race you on my SINGLE CYLINDER bike or just my Vtwin :D:D:D

[grape]

" V-twins IMO are junk. I'm not forcing you accept it but theres not any of them out there that can hand with the inline motors so they are junk. "


Have you ever seen the vance and hines pro stock v twin. Did you know they had to add 75 lbs to that "junk" because the newly developed v twin motor made the bike TOO fast?

Anyone else have opinions on the subject? And why did you lock the post?


for you guys that are lost, this is the first post, and nowhere can i find where it talks about handling of v-twins vs. inlines. Maybe I'm misreading but it looks to me the discussion is about power. :confused:

[eastsidetorino]

for you guys that are lost, this is the first post, and nowhere can i find where it talks about handling of v-twins vs. inlines. Maybe I'm misreading but it looks to me the discussion is about power. :confused:


Power is no doubt in the inlines favor. My point was that a vtwin is built for something else, and its like saying "my pro mod makes more power than ur enzo, so therefore ur enzo sucks." People that own a jap or euro vtwin dont own them because they can make gobs of power and are so great at drag racing. They own them because the linear power curve makes it easier to pick up if you lose revs going into a turn. The design of the engine lends to better handling. Its apples vs oranges dude.

[Pro Trash]

But I would love to have that linear powerband of a v-twin in the twisties. You can dial in the power perfectly as you are cornering.

This is true after setting the compression and rebound on the front and rear I was very happy with this nimble little bike (my XB9S). The 984cc pulls hard in the mid range from 2000 to 6000 rpm and then shifts around 6500 bring the front tire up just enough to be fun but not enough to cause you to let out. To corner, it is just like a dirt bike just push on the handle bar and it turns like a go cart, very reactive but not over sensitive.

[cbrjames]

What size is your bike? What kind of racing are you talking about? I may be up for that challenge if we take it to a roadrace course ;) Hell, I'll even race you on my SINGLE CYLINDER bike or just my Vtwin :D:D:D

I got my $$$ on Nick! ;)

[Super Coupe]

Yes the discussion was about power. And the V-twins are down in that department. I would be more than happy to run a v-twin on the street but I can't afford the hundreds of dollars it cost to go to a track right now and can't expect much with only about 15 laps total of road racing under my belt.

[Nick Chapman]

I got my $$$ on Nick! ;)


With the single or the twin? :D

[cbrjames]

Yes the discussion was about power. And the V-twins are down in that department. I would be more than happy to run a v-twin on the street but I can't afford the hundreds of dollars it cost to go to a track right now and can't expect much with only about 15 laps total of road racing under my belt.

Well still about power, even if you could get on the track, i bet one of those little itty bitty 125 or 250cc gp bikes would walk you. Talkin about down on power.

[cbrjames]

With the single or the twin? :D

Bofe!! :D

[Nick Chapman]

Yes the discussion was about power. And the V-twins are down in that department. I would be more than happy to run a v-twin on the street but I can't afford the hundreds of dollars it cost to go to a track right now and can't expect much with only about 15 laps total of road racing under my belt.


It only cost $75 for the entire day where we go. So, you should be able to get a lot more than just 15 laps.
What kind of bike are you riding? I'll go up against you on either the Vtwin Ducati 748, or the single cylinder 125. Your choice.

[cbrjames]

tamestang......[chant] do it, do it, do it [chant] and lets get this matter resolved. I wonder how many pages total this discussion is going to go. I love it, its fun as hell!


Oh yeah Nick, he is on a 600....or a 636 :rolleyes:

[Nick Chapman]

tamestang......[chant] do it, do it, do it [chant] and lets get this matter resolved. I wonder how many pages total this discussion is going to go. I love it, its fun as hell!


Oh yeah Nick, he is on a 600....or a 636 :rolleyes:



Those are pretty fast. Might be a close finish.

[BlueLT1SS]

Those are pretty fast. Might be a close finish.
for the 125c :D

[Nick Chapman]

for the 125c :D



What? Is just a little dirt bike motor. That 636 should walk all over me. Single cylinder, 125cc's, and only puts out 40hp. Should be a walk in the park for tamestang.

[cbrjames]

What? Is just a little dirt bike motor. That 636 should walk all over me. Single cylinder, 125cc's, and only puts out 40hp. Should be a walk in the park for tamestang.

Your kidding right?

[Nick Chapman]

Your kidding right?


Depends. What part are you talking about, the specs on the bike, or him wakling all over me with the 636?

[cbrjames]

Depends. What part are you talking about, the specs on the bike, or him wakling all over me with the 636?


I know the specs, i'm talking about him walking you.

Ever notice how our sigs start off the same? Racers mentality? (sp?)

[Nick Chapman]

I know the specs, i'm talking about him walking you.

Ever notice how our sigs start off the same? Racers mentality? (sp?)



If he knows how to ride his bike, it should be a walk in the park for him. There is no excuses for a 636 to lose to a bike 1/4 of it's size. Thats like a Cobra losing to a Geo.

[cbrjames]

If he knows how to ride his bike, it should be a walk in the park for him. There is no excuses for a 636 to lose to a bike 1/4 of it's size. Thats like a Cobra losing to a Geo.

If you say so, but i've seen some pretty damn fast gp's.

[Nick Chapman]

If you say so, but i've seen some pretty damn fast gp's.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :D
I don't want to scare anybody with the little 125 ;)

[cbrjames]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :D
I don't want to scare anybody with the little 125 ;)

Well don't worry, it won't be tamestang. I mean hell, if he thinks that the underpowered v-twin is underpowered, and junk, no tellin what he thinks a gp bike is. Or isn't for the matter :D

[Nick Chapman]

Seriously tamestang, you'd be much better off keeping me away from the 125 if we were racing. You would have a much better chance of beating me on the 748 than the 125. I can carry some wicked speed through the corners and put an elbow on the ground on the 125 :D I've smoked many 1000's(4 cylinders and 2 cylinders) on the 125.

[cbrjames]

But, but, but, it has less power than a twin.....lmao.

[Nick Chapman]

But, but, but, it has less power than a twin.....lmao.


Only 40hp :D

[cbrjames]

Only 40hp :D

Ok, well then that must mean that its a piece of junk too. So then do we open up another chapter in this saga?

[Nick Chapman]

Ok, well then that must mean that its a piece of junk too. So then do we open up another chapter in this saga?


Sounds good to me :D

[cbrjames]

Sounds good to me :D

Well i guess we'll see if your buddy ever gets back on.

[Pro Trash]

Yes the discussion was about power. And the V-twins are down in that department. I would be more than happy to run a v-twin on the street but I can't afford the hundreds of dollars it cost to go to a track right now and can't expect much with only about 15 laps total of road racing under my belt.

Well I "really" "really" feel sorry for you about your social economic status, no not really! Also what you lack in experience you make up for easily with mouth, you key board jockey you! :)

[SHS Slugur]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :D
I don't want to scare anybody with the little 125 ;)

How much do you weigh and how much does your bike weigh?

[BlueLT1SS]

this is entertaining. tamestang in the 636 and n737nc on the 125. i gotta see this

[SHS Slugur]

Ok, well then that must mean that its a piece of junk too. So then do we open up another chapter in this saga?

I don't think anyone would call a 125cc motor that puts out 40hp junk, even tamestang. His argument was regarding a 1000cc (v-twin) motor that puts out only 120rwhp. Assuming tamestang has limited experience with v-twin motors, I can understand why he might misinterpret the advantages a v-twin motor has. Many of the v-twin motorcycles offered to the public are rather underpowered. It is important to note, however, that a Ducati 999 (L-twin, I believe) was not designed for drag racing; rather, the 999 was developed to sound like sex and move around a racetrack very fast. It does both. Furthermore, a v-twin motor produces power quite linearly. Consequently, a rider can easily dial in incremental power increases/decreases while cornering.

I think many of you guys are jumpting to hasty conclusions when judging Tamestang's character. I am sure everyone here has made an ignorant statement at some point. Instead of calling him an idiot, why don't you guys educate him? (I am not speaking to everyone) I am sure most of you can see the irony in calling him an idiot.

Tamestang: Obviously, Ducati did not choose a v-twin for its awesome power output at peak RPMs. By investigating why they chose this motor, you will understand why the v-twin motor is not "junk".

[ThreeFingerPete]

shs, i commend you for not jumping on the band wagon.


p.s. tamestang may very well be a jackass.

[TonyMCev]

I think many of you guys are jumpting to hasty conclusions when judging Tamestang's character. I am sure everyone here has made an ignorant statement at some point. Instead of calling him an idiot, why don't you guys educate him? (I am not speaking to everyone) I am sure most of you can see the irony in calling him an idiot.

have you read the entire thread ? he has such a closed mind and is so hard headed that he can't (won't) be educated. yes, i have made dumbass statements in my day. but i was smart enough to admit i was wrong or at least retract the statement. the kid brings it on himself...

[cbrjames]

have you read the entire thread ? he has such a closed mind and is so hard headed that he can't (won't) be educated. yes, i have made dumbass statements in my day. but i was smart enough to admit i was wrong or at least retract the statement. the kid brings it on himself...

Lmao at your sig!!!

[TonyMCev]

Lmao at your sig!!!

:D

[Super Coupe]

Well still about power, even if you could get on the track, i bet one of those little itty bitty 125 or 250cc gp bikes would walk you. Talkin about down on power.

I have seen those bikes and there is no doubt that they are fast.

[TonyMCev]

I have seen those bikes and there is no doubt that they are fast.

hey sweetie...

[BottleRocket]

I think many of you guys are jumpting to hasty conclusions when judging Tamestang's character. I am sure everyone here has made an ignorant statement at some point. Instead of calling him an idiot, why don't you guys educate him? (I am not speaking to everyone) I am sure most of you can see the irony in calling him an idiot.


because he refuses to accept the fact that V-twins arent junk. Yes we have all made an ignorant statement, but most of us see what was ignorant about it, especially something this blatant. But in this case, he simply wont understand that he's an idiot for sticking to his statement

[cbrjames]

I have seen those bikes and there is no doubt that they are fast.

Yes, yes they are. Why? Because its a different type of motor, just like a vtwin motor. Different motors for different types of riding. If the whole world wanted the same thing, there would only be one kind of motor. Am i right?

[BottleRocket]

Yes, yes they are. Why? Because its a different type of motor, just like a vtwin motor. Different motors for different types of riding. If the whole world wanted the same thing, there would only be one kind of motor. Am i right?

i think we might have a winner

[cbrjames]

i think we might have a winner


I'm just trying to simplify it for the young buck. ;)

[Super Coupe]

Yes, yes they are. Why? Because its a different type of motor, just like a vtwin motor. Different motors for different types of riding. If the whole world wanted the same thing, there would only be one kind of motor. Am i right?

Yes you are right. I would love to race a 125cc bike that made 40 hp and was light as crap.

[Super Coupe]

It only cost $75 for the entire day where we go. So, you should be able to get a lot more than just 15 laps.
What kind of bike are you riding? I'll go up against you on either the Vtwin Ducati 748, or the single cylinder 125. Your choice.

Yes but you will eat through a set of tires in a day plus gas to get there that stuff adds up. I will be going to oak hill pretty soon. I was going to go this weekend but my mom is getting married so it is gonna have to wait.

[cbrjames]

Yes you are right. I would love to race a 125cc bike that made 40 hp and was light as crap.

Your still drifting off the point! :mad:

[TonyMCev]

Yes but you will eat through a set of tires in a day plus gas to get there that stuff adds up. I will be going to oak hill pretty soon. I was going to go this weekend but my mom is getting married so it is gonna have to wait.

yes she is. can you believe i finally proposed ??? and why are you not in bed yet, mister ??

[Super Coupe]

Your still drifting off the point! :mad:

Why in the hell would I want to race a freaking 25k dollar motorcycle when I can race a 6k dollar one and I doubt they are any better. Definetly not a for an extra 19k.

[Super Coupe]

yes she is. can you believe i finally proposed ??? and why are you not in bed yet, mister ??

Are you going to come hump me mr alpha male? :rolleyes:

I would figure that the alpha male could at least learn how to drag race.

[cbrjames]

Dood, i'm trying to learn you a point, and your frustrating me to the point of no return.

[Super Coupe]

Dood, i'm trying to learn you a point, and your frustrating me to the point of no return.

I was just asking why in the hell would I want to pay so much more money for a V-twin that I wont even be any faster on cause its not really faster! :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

Dood, i'm trying to learn you a point, and your frustrating me to the point of no return.

Learn me a point? :confused:

[cbrjames]

I was just asking why in the hell would I want to pay so much more money for a V-twin that I wont even be any faster on cause its not really faster! :rolleyes:

So you are saying that your bike is faster than a TL, or RC, bone stock vs bone stock? I never said anything about a high dollar Duc, or Aprilia.

[cbrjames]

Learn me a point? :confused:

SArcasm, i forgot, you don't pick up on it.

[Super Coupe]

SArcasm, i forgot, you don't pick up on it.

Well learn me to detect it then. :rolleyes:

[cbrjames]

Well learn me to detect it then. :rolleyes:

I'm trying......PAY ATTENTION!!! :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

So you are saying that your bike is faster than a TL, or RC, bone stock vs bone stock? I never said anything about a high dollar Duc, or Aprilia.

Whenever you are talking about road racing its a total different ball game. In a straight line yes I think I can take them with the same rider skill as me. But when you are at a road coarse you aren't really getting WOT all that much really. Atleast around here cause all the tracks are so small or the ones I have been to are. I really don't see how those bikes are any faster. Aren't they heavy beast? :confused:

[stunter bob]

yall are still fighting over the damn v twins

[cbrjames]

yall are still fighting over the damn v twins

Its fun,and entertaining!

[Super Coupe]

yall are still fighting over the damn v twins

And guess what? I love the cockPooterWS6

I like to be roasted like a pig on a spit.

[Super Coupe]

There was this promod looking harley at Redline tonight. This sucker was flippin sweet looking. Fired it up and was sounding good. Gassed it to get his tire wet in the water-box and it died. Never ran again! :o

[ThreeFingerPete]

And guess what? I love the cockPooterWS6


OUCH!

[Super Coupe]

And guess what? I love the cockPooterWS6

Only TonMCev though cause he is my alpha male.

Fixed

[Super Coupe]

What a bunch of pussies who have to start modifying my post.

[ThreeFingerPete]

LOL. are you going to cry?

[stunter bob]

so kyle loves the cock....and we go riding together

[Super Coupe]

so kyle loves the cock....and we go riding together

Yeah that is why I am always in front too!

[cbrjames]

Yeah that is why I am always in front too!

So now your saying you like it from behind?

[Super Coupe]

LOL. are you going to cry?

Tears are just swelling up. First I get beat down tonight at Redline and now I am getting my post modified! :(

Oh and they had to careflight a guy on a race harley that went down at the finish line. Damn V-twin had to much TORQUE!

[Super Coupe]

So now your saying you like it from behind?

I can't help but like it with all these dominant alpha males surrounding me.

[Super Coupe]

This Is The Best Thread Ever

I think your autozone sucks ass thread beats this one still. But close.

[92Notch]

I think your autozone sucks ass thread beats this one still. But close.yup i had 260 posts and 2800 views but you are on track to beat me with the way this thread has been going

[92Notch]

sorry Autozone Sucks Ass had 132 post and 1388 posts, but that all stopped when my Speedtek Sucks Ass thread came out and it had 261 posts and 2800 views

[ThreeFingerPete]

Oh and they had to careflight a guy on a race harley that went down at the finish line. Damn V-twin had to much TORQUE!


that's nice asshole, just make light of a wreck that was obviously very serious.

you are a fucking douchebag, and You will get yours.

[cbrjames]

that's nice asshole, just make light of a wreck that was obviously very serious.

you are a fucking douchebag, and You will get yours.

:eek:

[cbrjames]

Oh, and i linked this to gixxer.com. So if you get any posts from some newbs, they are from there, where they are making fun of you on there too. :D

[92Notch]

Oh, and i linked this to gixxer.com. So if you get any posts from some newbs, they are from there, where they are making fun of you on there too. :Dthats wrong

[cbrjames]

thats wrong

Not at all!!!

[92Notch]

Not at all!!!yea your are right, its about time kyle got his fair share

[Super Coupe]

that's nice asshole, just make light of a wreck that was obviously very serious.

you are a fucking douchebag, and You will get yours.

I wasn't making fun of anyone. If I highside my bike and break some crap in my body you can say I had to much power all you want cause I did.

Same difference

[cbrjames]

yea your are right, its about time kyle got his fair share

:confused:

[Super Coupe]

yea your are right, its about time kyle got his fair share

Shut it. If I see you flying a plane I am going to shoot you down with my bb gun. :D

[92Notch]

Shut it. If I see you flying a plane I am going to shoot you down with my bb gun. :Dyou could not hit me flying at 100 ft agl with a bb gun

[Super Coupe]

Oh, and i linked this to gixxer.com. So if you get any posts from some newbs, they are from there, where they are making fun of you on there too. :D

Great bring them on. The last few post havn't had anything to do with V-twins anyways. I'm sure the thread wont last much longer or will be moved to the smacko.

[ThreeFingerPete]

this thread won't be moved.

[Super Coupe]

you could not hit me flying at 100 ft agl with a bb gun

No crap.

[92Notch]

Great bring them on. The last few post havn't had anything to do with V-twins anyways. I'm sure the thread wont last much longer or will be moved to the smacko.i doubt it but maybe, only the link first 10 posts on my threads were about what it was titled and the rest was smack talk and neither got moved so you never know

[92Notch]

No crap.the cessna 172 has a Vne (never exceed speed) of 163kts which is 187mph so i doubt you could have a slight chance of even hitting the plane more or less shooting it down

[Super Coupe]

this thread won't be moved.


Maybe you could sticky it and post it on all bike forums.

[Super Coupe]

the cessna 172 has a Vne (never exceed speed) of 163kts which is 187mph so i doubt you could have a slight chance of even hitting the plane more or less shooting it down

NO CRAP!

[cbrjames]

Ok, so back to vtwins.......

Whats top speed on the TL, and RC? Google it and tell me. See how it compares to your bike too.

[92Notch]

Ok, so back to vtwins.......

Whats top speed on the TL, and RC? Google it and tell me. See how it compares to your bike too.v-twins rule ! :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

Ok, so back to vtwins.......

Whats top speed on the TL, and RC? Google it and tell me. See how it compares to your bike too.

Well I would do that but my bike would run out of gear. It would be all over the revlimiter in 6th before it actually ran out of power and stopped gaining speed.

[92Notch]

Well I would do that but my bike would run out of gear. It would be all over the revlimiter in 6th before it actually ran out of power and stopped gaining speed.waaaaaaaaaaa my bike is too slow waaaaaaaaaa

[TonyMCev]

Oh, and i linked this to gixxer.com. So if you get any posts from some newbs, they are from there, where they are making fun of you on there too. :D

LOL... :D :D :D

[Super Coupe]

the RC51 is able to achieve the same 170 mph top-speed as the CBR929RR, despite a 24 horsepower deficit.

[TonyMCev]

tamestang...

if i may be so bold...how old are you ?

[stunter bob]

dont make me break out the 600 guys....ive seen 151 so far

[cbrjames]

Well I would do that but my bike would run out of gear. It would be all over the revlimiter in 6th before it actually ran out of power and stopped gaining speed.

WTF!?!? I didn't ask all that!

[cbrjames]

dont make me break out the 600 guys....ive seen 151 so far

Ok, and?

[TonyMCev]

Ok, and?

he was being a smartass...

[Super Coupe]

tamestang...

if i may be so bold...how old are you ?

I'm 21 but if you saw me you would think I was about 16. :(

[92Notch]

I'm 21 but if you saw me you would think I was about 16. :(you are not kidding lol but idk why i am laughing i will be the same way i'm 18 and look 13

[cbrjames]

he was being a smartass...

Oh, my bad, i'm tired.


Told you he was in his early 20's. Did i guess right?

[Super Coupe]

Sure, the bike doesn't make power that puts inline-fours to shame; we didn't expect it to. And yes, it weighs more than we would like it to; but when you put the spec sheet back in the folder and simply ride the bike, it feels as light as any twin we've thrown a leg over. The handling is solid and the visceral appeal makes the bike extremely sensual. It's not quite a Ducati in some ways, but measurably more so in others.

I wouldn't mind having an RC51 I guess. I have ridden one. Now that I can ride good I'd like to ride another just to see.

[TonyMCev]

Oh, my bad, i'm tired.


Told you he was in his early 20's. Did i guess right?

you did, sir...

[cbrjames]

Sure, the bike doesn't make power that puts inline-fours to shame; we didn't expect it to. And yes, it weighs more than we would like it to; but when you put the spec sheet back in the folder and simply ride the bike, it feels as light as any twin we've thrown a leg over. The handling is solid and the visceral appeal makes the bike extremely sensual. It's not quite a Ducati in some ways, but measurably more so in others.

I wouldn't mind having an RC51 I guess. I have ridden one. Now that I can ride good I'd like to ride another just to see.

But its a vtwin. So are you changing your mind and seeing the light now?

[92Notch]

Bikes Suck!!!!!