Human Growth Hormone (HGH)

[jluv]

Anyone here really knowlegeable about the stuff? A good friend of mine (female) has started taking it to lose weight and tone up. She's already toned, and in good shape. In fact, she's not far from being considered slightly muscular. She insists that it is safe, legal, and that it won't make her look like a body-builder (gross!), and that it doesn't have any bad side effects like deep voice or facial hair growth or any of that stuff. But anything that has to be injected just makes me feel uneasy. Is she misinformed? Is this stuff safe? Legal? Does it have any bad side effects? Is it going to make her bulk up? She does work out on a regular basis, but for now she still looks really feminine. She's even recommended that I try it for a month or so. I just don't want to deal with any crazy side-effects, and I definitely don't want to take anything that will change my mood. I doubt I'd ever try it, but for now, I am concerned for her.

Any knowlegeable input or first-hand experience would be appreciated.

[Laxx76]

Stay away from this stuff!!! HGH is used in the medical field for children that have severe growth defects. If a childs growth is severely stunted due to genes or illness then HGH is administered to help them attain there NATURAL genetically predetermined size. It is a life saver for those kids but is terrible for you when your an adult that is fully grown. HGH stimulates the growth process in muscles and bones, if this is done in a fully grown adult then various body parts can become distorted and out of proportion with the rest of your body. I believe the specific disorder for over production or abuse of HGH is called Acromegaly. Individuals that suffer from defects such as grossly disproportioned facial features such as chin and nose and ears. Sometimes the head can become oversized and out of proportion, one arm may become bigger and longer then the other. The disease used to be refferred to as gigantism. Honestly don't mess with it. The side effects of Acromegaly are irreversible. In advanced cases it has been shown that the internal organs can begin to grow too large, most commonly the heart, which leads to CHF and overall heart failure which equals death. Does this all seem worth it just to take the easy way to getting a little tone if it even works that way for you?

*Two pennies hitting the ground*

[01WhiteCobra]

jluv, wait until davbracus posts up on this thread for correct information regarding HGH.

[Laxx76]

jluv, wait until davbracus posts up on this thread for correct information regarding HGH.

Do a search on any medical web site and you'll get the same info I just listed. I just covered this stuff a month ago in my pathophysiology course. It's correct. But I guess it needs approval from the resident Doc.

[jluv]

Do a search on any medical web site and you'll get the same info I just listed. I just covered this stuff a month ago in my pathophysiology course. It's correct. But I guess it needs approval from the resident Doc.

I appreciate the input, and I hope to hear more from others. Actually, the little research I've done so far doesn't make it sound so bad if used properly, yet my first instinct is that it would have harmful side effects. But I really don't know. That's why I'm asking around.

[01WhiteCobra]

Do a search on any medical web site and you'll get the same info I just listed. I just covered this stuff a month ago in my pathophysiology course. It's correct. But I guess it needs approval from the resident Doc.

Yea, I'll take Dave's comments before a website.

HGH has been used very successfully when you are "an adult". I'm glad you took a pathophsiology course. I'm sure Dave has taken a few as well.

It will be interesting to see the debate between you and him since he is very high on the use of HGH in certain circumstances.

[davbrucas]

lol...the amount of pituitary HGH secreted by the adenoma that causes acromegaly is way more than what a person would use to achieve the cosmesis one desires. and you will need at least 6mos of use to notice any real effects. 1 yr preferrably. i recommend 2-4IU every day (except weekends) for 1yr. you should have a way to check your blood sugar daily while on this as it is a counter regulatory hormone for blood sugar, ie...GH causes an elevation in blood sugar and IGF-1. you will need to take insulin while on HGH. each person is different in the amount of HGH that will require insulin. but insulin has its own anabolic properties so this will go well with getting lean and muscular...just be smart about it b/c too much insulin or too much HGH can cause some serious problems!

[davbrucas]

laxx, what you are stating is correct as far as using high levels of HGH. do you really think that the author of those books would add the beneficial effects of HGH given the fact that it is a controversial topic these days? everybody over 40 should be on HGH. in fact, HGH levels decrease by 50% each year after 25! many of the docs i work with are and swear by it.

HGH DEPLETION
As we age, the production of HGH diminishes. HGH is produced by the pituitary gland located in the brain. It is produced in greatest amounts in childhood and adolescence.
At the age of 60, HGH levels decrease by 80% of previous levels in adolescence. HGH depletion is marked by the usual signs of aging, which includes increased body fat (especially around the waist), reduced vitality, decreased muscle mass, and poor general health.

HGH REPLACEMENT
In a study conducted in Sweden, Dr. Bengt-Ake Bengtsson, at the Salgrenska Hospital in Goteberg found people with low levels of HGH had a shorter life span than those of the same age and sex with higher levels of HGH. However, after six months of HGH therapy, the aging process was reduced by 10 years.

BENEFITS OF HGH
The benefits of HGH include:

* Improved health
* Superior immune function
* Stronger bones
* Improved hearing and vision
* Lower blood pressure
* Improved skin elasticity
* A better nights sleep
* Enhanced sexual potency

HGH is one of many endocrine hormones, like estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, Melatonin and DHEA, that all decline in production with age. While many of these hormones can be replaced to deter some of the effects of aging, HGH reaches far beyond the scope of any of these hormones. Not only does it prevent biological aging, but it acts to significantly reverse a broad range of the signs and symptoms associated with the aging process. By ages 70 to 80, virtually everyone is deficient in growth hormone, resulting in SDS, or Somatrotropin (growth hormone) Deficiency Syndrome.

some side effects...
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Gynecomastia
Glucose intolerance
Arthralgias
Myalgias
Peripheral edema
Papilledema (rare)

[Bullitt3246]

HGH is for migets

[jluv]

Thanks for the info.

[Sami]

land you will need at least 6mos of use to notice any real effects. 1 yr preferrably. i recommend 2-4IU every day (except weekends) for 1yr.
Ouch. I can only imagine the cost to do so.

[davbrucas]

Ouch. I can only imagine the cost to do so.

yes, it is very expensive, but well worth it. the cost alone rules out use by most 20-somethings. my dad is using it and i have noticed a dramatic change. he has noticed as well. better immune status, he was actually able to get off cigarettes and stay off since starting it 6mos ago. his flexibility has increased and he is able to play golf again. that is why i feel it should be legal b/c it dramatically increases a persons quality of life...you just have to monitor the pt for signs of side effects. studies have shown that it also increases fluidity of blood vessels and decreases cholesterol deposition in the vessels...it is not without its risks, but they are worth it if you are suffering from the age bug.

[01WhiteCobra]

yes, it is very expensive, but well worth it. the cost alone rules out use by most 20-somethings. my dad is using it and i have noticed a dramatic change. he has noticed as well. better immune status, he was actually able to get off cigarettes and stay off since starting it 6mos ago. his flexibility has increased and he is able to play golf again. that is why i feel it should be legal b/c it dramatically increases a persons quality of life...you just have to monitor the pt for signs of side effects. studies have shown that it also increases fluidity of blood vessels and decreases cholesterol deposition in the vessels...it is not without its risks, but they are worth it if you are suffering from the age bug.

Yea just wait until his hands/feet/nose/ears are the size of watermelons, that'll make him stop and start smoking again! :D

[davbrucas]

Yea just wait until his hands/feet/nose/ears are the size of watermelons, that'll make him stop and start smoking again! :D


is that what happened to you? :)

[01WhiteCobra]

is that what happened to you? :)

Just my ears dammit.

And what is up with this. I thought I soft tissue was supposed to continue to grow as you aged (which is why old men always seem to have big ears to me).

How come my dick is still the same size?

[davbrucas]

Just my ears dammit.

And what is up with this. I thought I soft tissue was supposed to continue to grow as you aged (which is why old men always seem to have big ears to me).

How come my dick is still the same size?


lol...your penis loses its androgen receptors at about age 15. :) your ears are going to keep growing as you age. this is genetically predetermined the amount that they will grow. look at your grandfather on your mothers side. GH will surely cause them to grow more! :) you look like that guy on star trek the next generation yet? :D

[01WhiteCobra]

you look like that guy on star trek the next generation yet? :D

Not too bad considering how "old" I am.

http://students.juniata.edu/chabomr3/BIG%20EARS.jpg

[OMEGA DOOM]

yes, it is very expensive, but well worth it. the cost alone rules out use by most 20-somethings. my dad is using it and i have noticed a dramatic change. he has noticed as well. better immune status, he was actually able to get off cigarettes and stay off since starting it 6mos ago. his flexibility has increased and he is able to play golf again. that is why i feel it should be legal b/c it dramatically increases a persons quality of life...you just have to monitor the pt for signs of side effects. studies have shown that it also increases fluidity of blood vessels and decreases cholesterol deposition in the vessels...it is not without its risks, but they are worth it if you are suffering from the age bug.how much are we talkin' here? and where do I get it? I'm 35 so how will it effect me?

[cool cat]

lol...your penis loses its androgen receptors at about age 15. :) :D
How can I get my androgen recptors cranking again? :o

[davbrucas]

if it were me i would start at 4IU ed M-F taking the weekends off. use the weekend to measure you blood sugar. you can get the little accucheck gadgets at walgreens. what you could do is go to the doc after a few months on it and he will diagnose you will diabetes and then prescribe the insulin and control your sugars for you! :) if you select not to go that route then you will have to monitor it yourself and use insulin as needed. 10U ed will usually work.

so jintropin 4IU/day x 5day/wk = 20IU/wk x 24wks (6mos) = 480IU = ~$1750 for 5-100IU kits

some places are cheaper, some are more expensive.

[Sami]

And those are injectable? Lot of needles... :)

[davbrucas]

yes...injectable. you can do SQ injections with insulin pins with little to no pain.