View Full Version : Whatever happened to good old fashioned
Monsoon X
04-26-2005, 08:40 AM
Protein,Creatine and Heavy weight?
I never realized that so many of you guys use/have used steroids or some type of growth hormone. Man. Are you guys competing? Why take the risk just for vanity? Is it impatience? I'm not slamming anyone, I'm just curious.
what do you mean by old fashioned? Body builders have been using steroids for longer than I have been alive. Including all time favs such as Ferrigno and Arnold. :D
You also have to remember, that the bodybuilders of yesteryear, wouldn't stand a chance competiting with the guys of today.
Look at a pic of Shawn Ray, Dorian Yates, or Ronnie Coleman, then look at a pic of Arnold when he was at his prime. Night and day difference. Arnold would look like a twirp standing next to Ronnie. :eek:
Monsoon X
04-26-2005, 09:35 AM
what do you mean by old fashioned? Body builders have been using steroids for longer than I have been alive. Including all time favs such as Ferrigno and Arnold. :D
You also have to remember, that the bodybuilders of yesteryear, wouldn't stand a chance competiting with the guys of today.
Look at a pic of Shawn Ray, Dorian Yates, or Ronnie Coleman, then look at a pic of Arnold when he was at his prime. Night and day difference. Arnold would look like a twirp standing next to Ronnie. :eek:
I'm asking YOU guys. Not Ronnie and Dorian. :) I know why they use them. But why do average joes who don't compete in anything, take the risks?
I'm asking YOU guys. Not Ronnie and Dorian. :) I know why they use them. But why do average joes who don't compete in anything, take the risks?
I see what you are saying now. It's human nature to want to be the best and to improve, even to the point of extremes. Surival of the fittest I guess. Darwinism at it's finest. hahah
Unless you are going to compete and have the genetics to be able to make a lot of money then IMO its not worth the health risks to do any of that stuff.
If someone wants to do it, then that is their business too. I'm not going to judge, I just make decisions for myself.
ls1eater
04-26-2005, 09:50 AM
people use steroids to get instant results, workout natrual for 6 weeks maby see some ok gains 10 to 15 pounds per lift, or in 6 weeks gain 50 to 60 pounds per lift and get bigger and stronger every workout. Ive used steroids before but never again becuase the effects are way worse then people know. (ex. im 21 going on 22 and i feel like im 30)
Shorty
04-26-2005, 10:31 AM
people use steroids to get instant results, workout natrual for 6 weeks maby see some ok gains 10 to 15 pounds per lift, or in 6 weeks gain 50 to 60 pounds per lift and get bigger and stronger every workout.
after 4 weeks of a deadlift program, my RA, my friend, and I gained 35, 40, and 50 lbs on our maxes, respectively. My RA and I take whey and creatine, my friend doesn't use any supplements. Granted we're all 19 and at our prime for gaining, but still.
after 4 weeks of a deadlift program, my RA, my friend, and I gained 35, 40, and 50 lbs on our maxes, respectively. My RA and I take whey and creatine, my friend doesn't use any supplements. Granted we're all 19 and at our prime for gaining, but still.
If you don't do deadlifts regularly and start a normal routine, those gains are typical.
For us older guys, maybe the hormones aren't so bad after all. I used to be anti-steroid guy but the more I read about it the more I see how they could be beneficial. Of course, steroid abuse is probably what you guys are talking about, not hormone therapy. Two different things.
Why would you walk to Houston if you could drive there? Same end result, but much quicker.
I don't take steroids, nor have I ever, but I have researched them. Used correctly (age 21 is too young) they have few negative effects and mostly positive results. The problem is that most people use them without PCT or at too young an age. Obviously those people will have problems.
I don't use them for two reasons 1) they are illegal and 2) I'm scared of needles. :D
The Big Matt
04-26-2005, 11:32 AM
I'm a firm believer in that if you do things like steroids safely, and under good supervision, it's no different than taking any other medication. I know plenty of doctors that find it stupid that steroids are illegal, and think that more people are getting hurt, abusing them, because they aren't getting legit info from a professional source.
I'm a firm believer in that if you do things like steroids safely, and under good supervision, it's no different than taking any other medication. I know plenty of doctors that find it stupid that steroids are illegal, and think that more people are getting hurt, abusing them, because they aren't getting legit info from a professional source.
EXACTLY!
I don't use steroids but will eventually when I hit a physical peak and age where it would be necessary for any further development.
I would say that 1 in 5 people using roids, aren't doing it correctly. IN addition to that, they don't have the diet or routine to support their usage.
I have met tons of guys who say they are on roids, and I am like "dude, I wouldn't tell people that because you don't even look like you have a gym membership." hahahah
:D
The Big Matt
04-26-2005, 12:01 PM
i put on a good solid 50-60 pounds of weight difference in bench in 8 weeks, as well as some great bulk and definition.
i'm quite happy with the 8 week cycle i did. I had no complications, i followed a strict diet/workout/injection plan. I will be doing a very effective post cycle. I don't think I would have seen the same results had i not juiced. I never had an anger issue, etc, mainly because i was using decca and equipoise and shunned away from a test based product
01WhiteCobra
04-26-2005, 12:14 PM
Like any other drug, to escape reality.
Shorty
04-26-2005, 02:09 PM
If you don't do deadlifts regularly and start a normal routine, those gains are typical.
My RA has been powerlifing for about 2 years. His previous max of 505 was from a month before we started the cycle. I had taken about 6 months off from serious lifting, but I was within 10 lbs of my previous max when we started. Marcus the other guy is the only guy that hasn't really done much deads.
White_lightning
04-26-2005, 02:37 PM
My RA has been powerlifing for about 2 years. His previous max of 505 was from a month before we started the cycle. I had taken about 6 months off from serious lifting, but I was within 10 lbs of my previous max when we started. Marcus the other guy is the only guy that hasn't really done much deads.
505 on what lift???
IMO.. people want results now.. they are to lazy to wait over time and get them naturally.
davbrucas
04-26-2005, 04:13 PM
some of you are asking why someone would take the risk....what risk? there is little risk involved if taken appropriately with the proper ancillaries. the risk is when some steroid naive person just haphazardly injects stuff in there body without proper guidance or knowledge of the endocrinology/pharmacology of these drugs....result will be excessive water gain/bloat, acne, aggression, etc...then a big crash when coming off which will take many months to recover naturally. then he tells his story which gives these drugs a bad rap. done right, these drugs are relatively safe. if you are over 30 and not on them, i say give them a chance and you will wonder why you had not tried them yet. it is not for the vanity or ego...they give you back the vigor of youth that you may not even know that you lost. there is more risk involved in driving your car compared to using AAS. it is crazy that smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is legal and using these drugs is not given the amount of smoking/alcohol related deaths there are each year. how many AAS related deaths are there each year? not many. hell, if a person shove can smoke into their lungs, they ought to be able to use medications that make them feel better about themselves.
01WhiteCobra
04-26-2005, 04:34 PM
it is not for the vanity or ego
Come on Dave, look at the age of the people posting on this thread. Its all about ego and vanity.
davbrucas
04-26-2005, 04:37 PM
Come on Dave, look at the age of the people posting on this thread. Its all about ego and vanity.
yeah, that is probably the case here but i only know maybe 3 people personally on this board and the ones posting on here are not among them! :)
Come on Dave, look at the age of the people posting on this thread. Its all about ego and vanity.
age has nothing to do with ego or vanity. that is the dumbest shit i ever heard. if your statement were true, old bitches wouldn't be getting botox and facelifts...
its about being competitive at something and doing what it takes to be the best you can be. I don't take roids, don't need to. But I understand the people that do, as long as they do it correctly.
;)
01WhiteCobra
04-26-2005, 04:52 PM
age has nothing to do with ego or vanity. that is the dumbest shit i ever heard. if your statement were true, old bitches wouldn't be getting botox and facelifts...
its about being competitive at something and doing what it takes to be the best you can be. I don't take roids, don't need to. But I understand the people that do, as long as they do it correctly.
;)
You stupid little twit.
We were talking about age and regaining youthfulness. If you are under 40 and your are taking steroids it is ALL ABOUT EGO AND VANITY, dumbass.
age has nothing to do with ego or vanity. that is the dumbest shit i ever heard. if your statement were true, old bitches wouldn't be getting botox and facelifts...
its about being competitive at something and doing what it takes to be the best you can be. I don't take roids, don't need to. But I understand the people that do, as long as they do it correctly.
;)
I've always said that I could never be a bodybuilder....my self esteem is much too good. There is a reason for that.
I have to give it to Dave, he is correct in regards to older folks taking things like HGH. I didn't know that anabolics were that common in the older crowd. Dave, how common is it for older men to take what people would commonly call "steroids"???
Strychnine
04-26-2005, 05:27 PM
Arnold would look like a twirp standing next to Ronnie. :eek:
.
davbrucas
04-26-2005, 05:44 PM
I've always said that I could never be a bodybuilder....my self esteem is much too good. There is a reason for that.
I have to give it to Dave, he is correct in regards to older folks taking things like HGH. I didn't know that anabolics were that common in the older crowd. Dave, how common is it for older men to take what people would commonly call "steroids"???
it is very common. most of the surgeons that i work with are on one or the other or both (HGH or AAS). it not only helps with your appearance, these drugs improve your stamina, improve concentration, and most importantly in our field, your recovery time is much shorter...by that i mean the sleep deprivation that comes along with the job isnt as bad and you bounce back as far as energy is concerned. but i agree, there is no reason to take these in your 20s unless you have blood work that shows you have naturally low levels of testosterone. heck, after 38-40 i will get on and stay on AAS and HGH. permanent HRT.
.
I have $1 that says Coleman won't live past the age of 50 either.
davbrucas
04-26-2005, 05:51 PM
I have $1 that says Coleman won't live past the age of 50 either.
maybe so...if you abuse any drug it can harm you...but if not used correctly these drugs can screw up your lipid profile and set you up for a heart attack earlier in life...
maybe so...if you abuse any drug it can harm you...but if not used correctly these drugs can screw up your lipid profile and set you up for a heart attack earlier in life...
I'd bet he is set up!!!
.
sweeet......that is cool. look at the difference in their lat spread and their quads. :eek:
not to mention their vascularity and waistline differences! :eek:
it will be a sight to see how long Ronnie lives. Hell, I have known people who smoked like chimneys their whole life, and live a long life. so there is no telling when that dude will fall out. :D
Shorty
04-26-2005, 09:13 PM
505 on what lift???
IMO.. people want results now.. they are to lazy to wait over time and get them naturally.
dead...he weighs 215, new dead max is 535, old squat max is 405, and old bench max is only like 285
Mr. Smith
04-26-2005, 10:59 PM
.
Id rather look like Arnie anyday.
White_lightning
04-27-2005, 12:06 AM
dead...he weighs 215, new dead max is 535, old squat max is 405, and old bench max is only like 285
sorry.. not impressed for 2 yeras of lifting.. not at 215.. i dont seem to get the example? i hope thats natural..
Shorty
04-27-2005, 12:31 AM
yeah natural. I'm not saying any of us are strong, just that gains can still be made natural. But you know that ;).
You stupid little twit.
We were talking about age and regaining youthfulness. If you are under 40 and your are taking steroids it is ALL ABOUT EGO AND VANITY, dumbass.
relax old fella. this must be your first time on the internet, so I'll go ahead and break it down for you...."dont take shit personal and get all ansy in your pansy, its just the internet"
With that said, go fuck yourself cockholster. :D
White_lightning
04-27-2005, 09:38 AM
relax old fella. this must be your first time on the internet, so I'll go ahead and break it down for you...."dont take shit personal and get all ansy in your pansy, its just the internet"
With that said, go fuck yourself cockholster. :D
you have to excuse 01wc.. hes getting a little long in the tooth.. and short in temper:)
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 09:43 AM
relax old fella. this must be your first time on the internet, so I'll go ahead and break it down for you...."dont take shit personal and get all ansy in your pansy, its just the internet"
With that said, go fuck yourself cockholster. :D
Take your own advice dumbass. You were the one that made it personal not me.
Let me break it down for you newbie dumbass, I was writing shit for the Internet when you ass was jacking off to your ninth grade teacher.
Take your own advice dumbass. You were the one that made it personal not me.
Let me break it down for you newbie dumbass, I was writing shit for the Internet when you ass was jacking off to your ninth grade teacher.
awwww....look everyone...the old guy forgot his meds....
easy there little fella. you gotta learn to take shit lightly. don't let a young 27 year old buck like myself get you all worked up.
i didn't take anything personally. I might have misunderstood what you said, but that's about it. You took it to a personal level with your name calling. Twit? That was clever. lmfao
Besides, my ninth grade teacher was hot....i still beat off to her. ;)
you have to excuse 01wc.. hes getting a little long in the tooth.. and short in temper:)
it's all good. i understand it's just the internet. it's not like he bitch slapped my wife in the grocery store or something. hahahah
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 10:02 AM
awwww....look everyone...the old guy forgot his meds....
easy there little fella. you gotta learn to take shit lightly. don't let a young 27 year old buck like myself get you all worked up.
i didn't take anything personally. I might have misunderstood what you said, but that's about it. You took it to a personal level with your name calling. Twit? That was clever. lmfao
Besides, my ninth grade teacher was hot....i still beat off to her. ;)
I'm not getting worked up, you are.
You took it to a personal level when you decided to post "that is the dumbest shit i ever heard".
The dumbest thing about the post is you can't read fucking English. Maybe you should have spent less time jacking off your ninth grade teacher and spent more time reading the books.
And stop winking at me you homo.
And stop winking at me you homo.
;) ;) ;)
me no speaky engrish....me first timey on intanet....me newbie to intanet...
;)
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 10:06 AM
;) ;) ;)
me no speaky engrish....me first timey on intanet....me newbie to intanet...
;)
That I do believe.
That I do believe.
your a grumpy old fukker aren't you? lighten up there turbo, you'll live longer. not a whole lot longer since you are old, but at least a little longer.. :cool: maybe you should hit your Dr. up for some HGH or something...maybe do a cycle or two...hahah
;)
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 10:18 AM
your a grumpy old fukker aren't you? lighten up there turbo, you'll live longer. not a whole lot longer since you are old, but at least a little longer.. :cool: maybe you should hit your Dr. up for some HGH or something...maybe do a cycle or two...hahah
;)
Living just fine. You know, the old jokes would be funny if I didn't joke all the time about being old. I just love it when the dumbasses get called out for stupid shit they post (and your post can certainly be considered *grumpy*) and have to get all defensive.
Run along now little boy. Or enroll in college and do something useful with your life.
If you are diagnosed with HGH or testosterone deficiency, do insurance companies pay for treatment? I'm thinking of getting my levels checked just for the heck of it. I'm only 33 but a little boost wouldn't hurt... :)
If you are diagnosed with HGH or testosterone deficiency, do insurance companies pay for treatment? I'm thinking of getting my levels checked just for the heck of it. I'm only 33 but a little boost wouldn't hurt... :)
I'm thinking that I need to go see Dr. DavBrucas myself. He can get that HGH for me, some viagra, some steroids and maybe a trip that high class prositute resort in the Carribean (stress relief)....and bill it all to Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
Oh *cough cough* I'm so damn sick.
a trip that high class prositute resort in the Carribean (stress relief)....
Man, they do that too? How could I have missed it is beyond me. Ok, I'm scheduling a time now...
I'm thinking that I need to go see Dr. DavBrucas myself. He can get that HGH for me, some viagra, some steroids and maybe a trip that high class prositute resort in the Carribean (stress relief)....and bill it all to Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
Oh *cough cough* I'm so damn sick.
Some doctors will, but I don't think that DavBrucas will. He would like to keep his license to practice :D
Living just fine. You know, the old jokes would be funny if I didn't joke all the time about being old. I just love it when the dumbasses get called out for stupid shit they post (and your post can certainly be considered *grumpy*) and have to get all defensive.
Run along now little boy. Or enroll in college and do something useful with your life.
geez man, you sure are touchy. okay, i will type it so you know..."i am just joking with you...okay.." you are gonna give yourself a heart attack or a seizure or alzheimers or something.
as far as useful, i got my military experience, degree and a great career. so that was a stupid comment to make about someone you don't know anything about. :D
so you yanky my wanky...me no speaky engrish so good.... ;)
White_lightning
04-27-2005, 11:59 AM
damn.. is 01wc on a roid rage?:)
damn.. is 01wc on a roid rage?:)
i dunno. i hope not. i'll have to hire me a bodyguard. :p
i do hope he feels better and has a nice day though. ;) I am sure he is a great man and a pleasure to be around.... :D
plus, white cobra's rock, so I can't imagine he is all bad. haha :eek:
anyhow, back to the thread topic, steroids are useful, if used wisely. they definitely don't belong in high schools or anything like that. :cool:
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 01:06 PM
geez man, you sure are touchy. okay, i will type it so you know..."i am just joking with you...okay.." you are gonna give yourself a heart attack or a seizure or alzheimers or something.
as far as useful, i got my military experience, degree and a great career. so that was a stupid comment to make about someone you don't know anything about. :D
so you yanky my wanky...me no speaky engrish so good.... ;)
pot meet kettle, dumbass.
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 01:08 PM
damn.. is 01wc on a roid rage?:)
You know better.
Just get tired of people jumping into a thread and cannot comprehend English. Especially when they want to try to correct you.
White_lightning
04-27-2005, 02:16 PM
You know better.
Just get tired of people jumping into a thread and cannot comprehend English. Especially when they want to try to correct you.
yeah:) but since you are one of the few ppl on here i respect:) i feel i have to give you a hard time when a relative Noob busts your chops:)
pot meet kettle, dumbass.
you get brighter by the post. lmfao
;)
Just get tired of people jumping into a thread and cannot comprehend English. Especially when they want to try to correct you.
you are really fucking stupid.
comprehend english? so, let me get this straight...you have never misunderstood something someone wrote? wow. you really are amazing. i hope i can grow up to be juuuust like you....except, not a queer.....and an asshole. ;)
Just get tired of people jumping into a thread and cannot comprehend English. Especially when they want to try to correct you.
and i didnt "jump" into any thread. i posted on this thread before you did.
fuck it. you obviously can't take any jokes or anything, so I am just going to let it be from here. Arguing with you isn't going to get me anywhere. So, have a good day and take care. ;) :D
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 05:05 PM
and i didnt "jump" into any thread. i posted on this thread before you did.
fuck it. you obviously can't take any jokes or anything, so I am just going to let it be from here. Arguing with you isn't going to get me anywhere. So, have a good day and take care. ;) :D
awwww.... wittle LTP got his feelers hurt.
You fucked up with your attempt to flame someone, grow up and own up to it.
LTP, just don't insult the Matlock fan club. He'll go apeshit then....
davbrucas
04-27-2005, 07:09 PM
jeez...sounds like someone is on a tren cycle! :) i plan to be soon! :D
as far as seeing me for the juice....nossir! but i can make sure that if you do decide to use that you do it safely and do a cycle that will get you to your goals without sides and focking your endocrine system...as far as the caribbean, i plan on visiting this place as soon as i can afford it! :)
http://www.cat69.com/desires.html
awwww.... wittle LTP got his feelers hurt.
You fucked up with your attempt to flame someone, grow up and own up to it.
you didn't hurt my feelings. but i know better than to argue on the internet with a keyboard warrior. internet bad boy.
own up to what? i already said I misunderstood you. i even noted i was joking around with you and tried to make light of the situation, but you insisted on being an cocksucker. I didn't try to flame you. I just said I disagreed with you. You called me a dumbass? Fucking whiny bastard.
but whatevers clever there fella. i don't care.
have a good day. i am sorry if i hurt your feelings, or was abrasive.
LTP, just don't insult the Matlock fan club. He'll go apeshit then....
Fuck Matlock in his old Andy Griffith ass. Opey too.. hahha
lol
:D ;)
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 08:08 PM
LTP, just don't insult the Matlock fan club. He'll go apeshit then....
Damn skippy!
(and Al you ain't too too far behind...)
Fuck Matlock in his old Andy Griffith ass. Opey too.. hahha
lol
:D ;)
Now you've done it. He's going to demand pistols at ten paces at dawn.
Mr. White Cobra, I'm only 33, merely a mayfly to the ancients such as yourself!!!
01WhiteCobra
04-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Now you've done it. He's going to demand pistols at ten paces at dawn.
Mr. White Cobra, I'm only 33, merely a mayfly to the ancients such as yourself!!!
LOL. Think again.
And fuck pistols. Walkers at 1 pace (need to be able to hit the mofo without moving my legs)
LOL. Think again.
And fuck pistols. Walkers at 1 pace (need to be able to hit the mofo without moving my legs)
and i have back troubles, so I am good with that. :D ;)
vBulletin® v3.8.1, Copyright ©2000-2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.