how do you feel about steroids? cheating?

[dar1us19]

Alot of news about steroids lately. How do you feel about them? Do you consider it cheating?

[Boosted]

Its not for everyone. I am all natural right now but given the chance I would use. IMHO

[blkonblk96cobra]

Steroids dont just make you big. Most people juicing work 10x harder in the gym than anybody else. Ecpecially with baseball, juicing doesn't make you have a perfect swing. Bonds has a perfect swing, that is why he can hit homers all day long.

[The Raven]

In the body building world juicers have a class of their own, and it's all good as long as the line is never blurred. It's no different that having an N/A motor versus a blown motor. It takes knowledge and hard work to build either one to their potential, but they should never be classed against one another, or compared. "Cheating" occurs when some juice-monkey starts boasting about his lifts and or musculature as compered to the smaller guys in the gym, like some blown trailor queen boasting about how he spanked some stock-motored GT down the 1420.


Sports is entirely different though. When an entire league is regulated to level the playing field, and you choose to break the rules that everyone else is abiding by to gain "an edge", you are cheating. Period.

[Todd]

I agree, youa re cheating if you are trying to put something over on someone.

But as for the use of Steroids itself, it is up to each individual as to whether they want to use them to get where they want to be with the possible side effects. When you do though, you have to start compairing yourself to others that juice too... All those really big guys. IT still isn't going to be easy to get to a compairable size looking at it that way. I personally don't like to see someone that dets discouraged by not making fast enough gains to immediately just on the roids bandwagon. Seems a little like giving up and going for some easier route. I doubt that you would feel as good about your self for getting jsut a little bigger by juicing as you would if you took the time and did it natural. But to each his own. I am not hating on anyone that uses them.. that is just their choice, thats all. They still have to hit the weights like everyone else, so they are similar to us in that respect still.

Good luck either way you go.

[Cooter]

steroids are like nitrous...

it's only cheating if it's against the rules and you get caught ;)

BUT, it's also like nitrous in that if you're not smart with them, you can really fuck some shit up big time!!!

Forrest

[Shorty]

I forgot who said it, but a powerlifter said, "I have dbol and a squat suit in the back but they aren't lifting the weight." I don't think it's cheating, unless it's breaking the rules of whatever competition you are in. If there's no drug test, fine. If there is, it's an unfair advantage if they try to sneak it by.

[qtrmilperf]

Steroids dont just make you big. Most people juicing work 10x harder in the gym than anybody else. Ecpecially with baseball, juicing doesn't make you have a perfect swing. Bonds has a perfect swing, that is why he can hit homers all day long.


Juicing doesn't make you have a perfect swing? Yes your right but it does make your swing a lot more powerful. Its a shame that some of these steroid users will break records that stood for so long, from individuals that played the game "natural". I don't know if you have ever played baseball on a professional level, but steroid usage is a major problem. I played for the Colorado Springs Sky Sox for two seasons and have seen it first hand. And this was back in 1995.

Rob1

[01WhiteCobra]

Regardless of whether you think it is right or wrong, it has become a an issue with the federal government. If baseball doesn't control it better, they will lose alot of their rights in their monopoly.

As such, you will see alot of sacrificial lambs getting positive tests and being suspended from baseball. Baseball just suspended 38 minor leaguers.

Of course, none of the superstars will ever test positive.

[superlopez]

I like it.I don't think I would be half as motivated at the gym, If I went without.

Cheating or not, I don't think it matters. If it takes a little juice for some quality entertainment then squeeze away.

[davbrucas]

forrest sure has a way of putting things in perspective! :)

i think using AAS should be legal. heck, if smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol is legal, then why the heck isnt steroids? cigarettes smoking is proven to cause lung cancer. it is the number one killer of people in the US today! WTF? alcohol related deaths are way up there too! but, i feel that too many young men use these drugs without actually knowing how to use them safely. done properly, there is little risk involved.

[Da Prez]

i would have never worked out as hard as i did back in the day if it wasnt for da juice...

[Cooter]

I think they should be decriminalized... if people were allowed to take a logical approach and real info was readily available, there wouldn't be near as many problems associated w/ them!!

peoples lives are ruined over this shit due to lack of knowledge :(

done right, they're great! :D

done wrong, they can be bad news...

but if you're the type to go cramming hormones in your body without doing a little reading on the subject first, maybe you deserve what you get...

Forrest

[dar1us19]

Well steroids were banned back in the early 90's and now all these prohormones were banned recently. It's funny, in the last ban that happend a few months back, some of the "prohormones" were not even prohormones at all, they were pure steroids, like 1-Test, and M1T. Those were created after the first ban, and were steroids not prohormones, so they were not banned untill recently. There are underground places that made steroids (like new chemical structure and all) that are not on the new ban. So therefore they are still legal. Anyone ever heard of Superdrol? It's not on the new ban list.

"The Superdrol writeup



Chemistry



Effects

Anabolic effects & dosing requirements

Strength

Athletic Performance

Fluid retention

Fat

Psychological Effects

Recovery



Adverse effects

Everything OK in there?

Unwelcome Growth

Unwelcome Losses



Supplements

Necessary Supplements?

Optional supplements



Implications and Stacks

Cycle Length

Stacking



Cost/benefit analysis

The Superdrol writeup



Chemistry



Superdrol (methasteron) is definitely not a prohormone: it is a very active form of a designer supplement. Superdrol gets its name from the fact that it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien. However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the sweet spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all. Maybe a few hydroxylated adrenal metabolites, but only traces. It is basically excreted unchanged as the conjugated glucuronate. The extra electron density at the 2 makes Superdrol 2-3x as anabolic (mg for mg) than Anadrol. To borrow from the language of genetics, Superdrol is a fine example of hybrid vigor: it has only the best attributes of each, and none of the worst. This is a supplement designed to have it all.



Anadrol/oxymetholone 17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one

Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

Masteron/drostanolone 2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

Proviron/mesterolone 1a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one



Effects



Anabolic effects & dosing requirements

As fascinating as all this chemistry might be, you are probably much more interested in how well Superdrol is going to work. What you are going to gain, and how much it will take you to make these gains? The gains from Superdrol are very dry and lean, so numbers do not tell the whole story, but let us look at them nonetheless. According to the book values, Superdrol should be 20% as androgenic as the reference standard methyl-test, and 400-800% as anabolic, while M1T is 910-1600%, and Anadrol closer to 300%, while being twice as androgenic as Superdrol, mg for mg. So in theory, Superdrol should be half as anabolic as the same dosage of M1T, and 10-20% as androgenic. This would mean that it should take twice the dosage of Superdrol to match the anabolic effects of M1T, at which dosage its androgenic side-effects would be 20-40% of those from M1T. Fortunately in the case of Superdrol it exceeds in practice its theoretical promise. All testers – who were selected in part because of their experience with M1T – found that the muscle gains produced from Superdrol were no less than 2/3 of what a comparable dose of M1T would have given them. Moreover, they found very few side-effects to complain about.

What this means for you is that you will need somewhere between 10 and 40mg of Superdrol per day. Period. There was, certainly, a desire to get this product to market before the ban, but because we were able to keep its chemistry secret, competition did not force it to be rushed, as was the case with M-Dien. Accordingly, proper testing was carried out, allowing us to determine real world dosing recommendations, not ballpark theoretical numbers. The following recommendations are honest and accurate: 10-15mg will be sufficient for beginners under 200lbs; 20-25mg for those advanced lifters under 200lbs, or for those above 200lbs but untrained; 30-35mg for men who have seriously trained themselves but are under 240lbs. For men who think they need to run a dose which falls between the use of whole capsules, one extra 10mg capsule can be taken before workouts, such that the weekly average is appropriate. as a rule of thumb, Superdrol will require 50% more of a dose than M1T to give you comparable gains in muscle. Any women who are entertaining the possibility of using Superdrol should reduce the weight to accord with their sex and their height, and then divide these dosages by a factor of no less than ten. Capsules will then have to be diluted in liquid to be measured accurately. For men, 40mg is a dose only for the very large or the true non-responders, by which I mean people who do not see results on less than 30mg of M1T. Very few people will need 40mg of Superdrol, and no one will need above 50mg. If used in a stack reduce the daily dose by 5-10mg, which would be very prudent given how well Superdrol will stack, and if not its expense, then your very limited supply.

The testers whose dosing fit the above guidelines gained, on average, five pounds of muscle in under three weeks, while losing water and gaining no fat on hyper caloric bulking diets. The quality of the gains from Superdrol comes from its likeness to Masteron while the quantity comes from its similarity to Anadrol. Masteron, expensive and very rare, is almost a perfect cutting steroid, being highly androgenic and anti-estrogenic. If you must have a rough comparison to something already out there, one tester described the quality of gains as being akin to those from fina or a test/halo combo, but such comparisons are bound to be inexact. Gains are very dry, and it makes muscles noticeably more hard and dense. The explosive gains from Anadrol are accompanied by a great deal of water retention and fat. M1T, as you surely well know, produces explosive gains not unlike those of Anadrol, but this comes at a cost. More on this later. As to how difficult it is to retain the gains from Superdrol, you are invited to follow the testers’ post-cycle results. To date, the results are promising, with no loss of mass or vascularity. The gains from Superdrol will be impressive, and they will not take long to start, but they will be more gradual to be recognized than those which come from aromatizing steroids. Your numbers in the gym and on the tape measure will go up, not explosively, but they will go up surely and steadily. The diuretic effect of Superdrol will at first mask the gains as you lose water and gain muscle. When mass begins to increase, it should do so disproportionately compared to tape-measurements. So if you are only checking the scale, or if you are not lean enough to notice the loss of water, persist and be rewarded.



Strength

Anadrol is famous for explosive gains in strength. M1T is not. Superdrol shares with Anadrol a capacity for impressive, but consistent, gains in strength. Testers experienced dramatic and immediate strength gains, when consuming sufficient calories. To their surprise and our delight, every single one became stronger every single workout, and many personal bests were recorded, while volume increased. Being a DHT derivative, it is a fair question to ask whether the strength gains from Superdrol can be maintained, or whether they will not dissipate shortly after one terminates use of the drug. In response to this, consider that 1) the strength gains from pure androgens are not generally accompanied by proportional gains in mass, and 2) the gains in both strength and mass which result from dianabol/m1,4add are - besides being accompanied by bloating - diminished soon after one goes off, they don’t just disappear, but they are hard to keep. If the mass gains from Superdrol are solid rather than fleeting, then the strength which came with this increase in muscle mass should be much easier to maintain than those which can result from the use of Anadrol, Dianabol/M1,4ADD, or many of the pure androgens, which achieve a significant amount of their effect on strength through their psychotropic effects on focus and aggression.



Athletic Performance

Along with marked increases in strength, all testers observed undeniable increases in their endurance, whether in cardio or adding to the sets they could perform. Breathing and heart rates were not as high as expected. Given Superdrol’s chemical relation to Anadrol and Masteron, it was speculated that this could be due to an increase in red blood cell (RBC) count, which would allow the use of more oxygen. Masteron has also been used as an Anadrol alternative for aplastic anemia, so it should be a strong immune stimulator and RBC booster, as many 5-reduced compounds are. In Anadrol, the extra stamina which should accompany the known increase in RBC is largely counteracted by the estrogen related effects. Because these are absent with Superdrol, increased RBC count may seemed a probable explanation for the increase in endurance. But because the increased endurance occurred quickly, I am hesitant to assert that an increased RBC count is the reason. Shortly after this appears in print, there should be blood work available to confirm or deny this. No matter the explanation, Superdrol does increase endurance significantly.



Fluid Retention

Masteron and Anadrol are on the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to fluid retention. In this regard, Superdrol lies close to Masteron, which – being unable either to convert to estrogen or mimic the effects of estrogen – has typically been used for reducing water retention while increasing muscle hardness and density. The rapid gains in mass caused by Anadrol involve not a little water retention: bloating is unavoidable, as with Dianabol/M1,4ADD. With Superdrol, there is no extra water retention. There is not even facial bloating. It forms no estrogen, so the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAAS) system cannot be activated to cause any water retention. M1T has the unfortunate effect of causing water retention in the kidneys, which can be painful, and is definitely unhealthy.

The pumps for which Anadrol is known are caused by an increase in the volume of blood, some of it RBC but much of it water. Blood pressure rises accordingly, and can lead to headaches, other forms of discomfort, or worse. The pumps from Superdrol could well be the result of the volumization of blood without the water gain, as noted above. It is in fact a mild diuretic. This helps contribute to the unmatched vascularity noticed in lean individuals. Because it dries you out, unless you are cutting for a reason, like a contest, you should increase your water intake accordingly. You can expect to drop at least several pounds of water in your first few days of use. From testers who monitored their blood pressure, there was no indication that it rose significantly, nor were there in others symptoms of high BP, for example, face turning beet red, or feeling nauseous after a few light sets. The pumps and increased vascularity from Superdrol are pleasant - “my biceps feel flexed when at rest” in the words of one tester. That is, until the dose is becomes too high, at which point Superdrol shares with Anadrol back pumps, cramps, or aches. These can inhibit workouts. At proper doses, these are fleeting, not unlike those from M1T, but not as severe. However, the tester who challenged the highest dose experienced such discomfort that he literally had to lay on the gym floor in between sets. It seems that Superdrol has a built in mechanism, harmless enough, to prevent its abuse.



Fat

Masteron is very effective in cutting cycles to reduce bodyfat; Anadrol does not mind putting on a few pounds ‘for the winter.’ Superdrol testers were all eating well, no one was cutting, and mass was going up faster than tape-measurements. It was wondered whether Superdrol exhibited fat-burning properties like tren. This can be discounted, and explained instead as a diuretic effect: testers size did not change dramatically because they lost water, while their muscles grew and became more dense. So in regard to fat, Superdrol falls right between Masteron and Anadrol: one could say that it neutral in terms of partitioning. When using Superdrol, fat will not magically melt away, but nor will it especially inhibit fat loss on a cut. It will not especially prime you for fat gains on a bulk, but if you do not watch your diet you can get fat.



Psychological Effects

The psychological effects of Anadrol and Masteron are noticeable, if not as pronounced as with some other DHT derivatives. It was not clear what, if any, psychological effects should have been expected from Superdrol, given how little its androgenic effects looked to be on paper. What the testers found, to begin with was that Superdrol felt “somatically clean,” meaning that there was zero sense of physical malaise or indisposition which is common to Anadrol and especially M1T. On the contrary, testers had a sense of physical well-being, a clean feeling of being ‘on’ – as distinct from the sure knowledge that one is growing, even if one doesn’t feel well, that one gets from M1T or Anadrol. This feeling was not as pronounced as with Dianabol. Psychologically, the following were attributed to the use of Superdrol: confidence, assertiveness, focus, increased libido, the need to do something, aggressiveness in the gym, a command mindset, and some irritability – especially upon ramping up to the next dosing level. One tester described the CNS stimulation he got from doing 30mg at once as being stronger than 50mg of M5, 32mg of M4OHN, or EC. Endurance and strength should be mentioned here as well, because while above I have offered physical explanations for them, some of this effect could well be psychological, in which case it would dissipate upon cessation of the use of Superdrol. There was some increase in appetite for some of the testers, a decrease for others; in either case this was not overwhelming.



Recovery

Recovery time on Superdrol was improved, slightly but noticeably - not on a par, however, with a similar dose of M1T, let alone Anadrol. In this light you should be reminded that the increases in strength which you will experience on Superdrol do not come with a proportional increase in the strength of connective tissue. So when using Superdrol, you should observe strict form in the gym or else you invites injury, which obviously defeats the purpose of any kind of performance enhancing agent.



Adverse effects



Across the board, testers were astounded by the virtual absence of unwelcome side-effects from Superdrol use. One tester, already balding, mentioned an occasional itchy scalp. The only exception to the clean bill given to Superdrol was noted earlier, lower back pain at excessive doses. This lack of side-effects can be attributed to Superdrol’s very low androgenic capacity and its anti-estrogenic effects.



Everything OK in there?

So what’s the catch, the bad news? From the provisional results, there does not seem to be any bad news. You should be sure to check the results of the testers’ blood work which will appear in their logs. If I were to speculate as to what could be most worrying, it would be if Superdrol lowered HDL (good cholesterol) levels into the single digits - something which M1T is very good at doing. As to hepatotoxicity, Superdrol is estimated to be more toxic than M4OHN, while far less toxic than M1T. The blood work will tell, but there was absolutely no indication from any of the testers, or from the chemistry of Superdrol, that it should be highly toxic. The unbearable back pumps which accompany excessive use of Superdrol effectively limits its potential for abuse. There were no indications of high blood pressure: headaches, nosebleeds, or anything of the sort. Testers were not fatigued or lightheaded, or any of the other symptoms of low blood sugar levels, as accompanies the use of M1T and Anadrol. Superdrol could still have some effect on this, however, and it something to keep in mind, especially if one will simultaneously be using Glucophase XR. Sleep was not interrupted, nor was it reported to be noticeably improved. Nausea and diarrhea were absent.



Unwelcome Growth

As stated earlier, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. Testers found no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH). You will not want to brave the back cramps to take enough of this to make you have to begin to be worried about androgenic sides. At 40mg, one tester noticed a tendency to bruise more easily. Zero estrogen conversion with this one, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound (Masteron) is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic. But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.



Unwelcome Losses

As has been stated, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and hair loss (androgenetic alopecia) should not be much of a concern if you are not very predisposed to it. Another concern, especially in light of the peoples’ experiences with M1T is the question of how hard Superdrol will shut you down. The testers ran Superdrol by itself, some of them at very high doses. Not one experienced anything to indicate anything like the severe degree of shutdown which almost immediately accompanies the use of M1T. That said, it is inconceivable that Superdrol can do what it does without affecting the HPTA axis, and PCT is always mandatory. Because Superdrol itself is mild in terms of shutdown, if you were to run it by itself, recovery with PCT should be quite easy. Most people, however, will elect to run Superdrol as part of a stack.



Necessary Supplements?



In the case of most oral steroids, legal or otherwise, there are a number of supplements which are not really optional. With M1T, everybody’s favorite, 4-AD is really not an option. Liver protection supplements are optional, or they are so only at your peril. And little can be done about perpetually low blood sugar levels, and single-digit HDL levels. Anti-e’s are not specifically necessary for most orals, used alone. With Superdrol, none of these supplements are necessary - and no letro, finasteride, or dex - because none of these side-effects are especially worrisome. The only potential exception is the HDL issue. All steroid use adversely affects HDL levels, but we need to be sure to know how safe Superdrol is in this regard. The results of the testers’ blood work will resolve this worry, or make people aware that this is an issue. In any case, the only thing which could be done about this would be to limit the length of one’s cycle. As mentioned above, supplements are necessary with every steroid for PCT, and Superdrol even though it is mild in terms of suppression is no exception. I mention this here in part to remind you of the possibility that research chemicals may become much more difficult to come across depending on what actions take place subsequent to the ban. With Superdrol, if anything is close to necessary, it would be general liver protection such as from K-R-ALA. Everything else is strictly optional, and can be used in a complementary stack Superdrol, not as something necessary to counter the deficiencies of the primary mass builder.

A very minor issue which you should look for an answer is what the half-life of Superdrol is in the body. If it is short, this will call for dividing your daily dose rather than taking it all at once. If the half-life is longer, it would be an unnecessary inconvenience to do so.



Implications and Stacks



Cycle Length

Because of the toxicity of Anadrol and M1T, it is highly imprudent to use these for more than four weeks at a higher dose, and six weeks at any dose. For Superdrol, toxicity is not a great concern – little more than with M4OHN. So long as the results of the blood work come back favorably, i.e. if the HDL cholesterol is not reduced to single digit levels after several weeks usage, Superdrol can safely be used for longer cycles than 4 weeks. Otherwise, it should be used only for short cycles, or for short parts of longer cycles – obviously not in succession with M1T. I mention these issues because one of the things most of the testers mentioned is that they feel like they could run Superdrol perpetually: “I can run this forever” - “No, you can’t.” This would obviously be a bad idea.



Stacking

Unlike Masteron, Superdrol obviously works very well on its own. Anadrol is very powerful, but the problems with its use are evident. If you happen to get a lot of Superdrol, you can surely use it to great effect on its own, but given its limited availability, to get the most out of your supply, you will probably want to use it as part of a stack. Superdrol should stack well with pretty much everything, apart from those things which it begs to be used in the place of: such as M1T, M14ADD, DBol, Anadrol or Halo. There should be no need to stack this with another methyl. The only things even to consider this would be mild substances like M4OHN or M5AA, for example. As a rule, if you can find a way not to stack methyls, make the right choice. A low transdermal dose of 3-alpha is a very powerful pure androgen which could take the place of M5AA or MDHT. For bulking cycles, a stack with anything which aromatizes will work very well: Test, EQ/1,4ADione, Nandrolone. A significant amount of mass gains come from the presence of estrogen. Estrogen also stimulates white blood cell production, aiding your immune system, having too little estrogen will predispose you to becoming sick. M1T flu anyone? For more of a lean bulk more limited aromatizers would work very well: 4AD/ester, 19Nordiol/ester, 1,4ADiol, Primo. For a major cut, a non-aromatizing choice is called for, such as very dry mass-builder and/or a pure-androgen to produce sick separation and vascularity: 1-Test/ester or 5aa/ester, 3-alpha, Masteron, or Tren. There are so many combinations, it is really up to you to look at what is available, decide what your goals are, and choose the most appropriate items. You simply need to choose a complementary combination with your budget and your goals in mind.

Listed below are some examples, suggested in discussion with the testers. You should be able to discern their purpose. And there will surely be a good deal of discussion about potential stacks and their merits on the boards.



Superdrol + 1-Test + 4-AD + pure androgen + M4OHN

Superdrol + Test or Sledge Test

Superdrol + 5AD + 3alpha

Superdrol + 4-AD + MDHT + tren

Superdrol + 4-AD + tren

Superdrol + Test or 4-AD + Deca or Nordiol

Superdrol + 1-Test or Fina + Test

Superdrol + 1,4ADD/EQ or 19Nor/Deca or M4OHN



Cost/benefit analysis



“There’s no way it can replace M1T.” So says the conventional wisdom about every new legal anabolic since the introduction of this famous mass builder. New substances have come to the market, and it is true that none yet has replaced M1T. What is also true, outside of the most outlandish circus-vendor salesmanship, is that nothing which has come to market has made claims to be a serious mass-builder, a true challenger to M1T. M4OHN and M-dien have received a lot of bad press, not because they are useless, but because people were expecting them to be useful in a way they were not. The pure androgens M5AA, and recently MDHT, were never intended as mass builders, but for strength, aggression, hardening, and maybe some modest dry gains. 1-AD, being related to M1T was impressive in its own right, but its cost put this posh wonder beyond comparison with its inexpensive brethren. M1,4ADD could plausibly be called a bulker, but like its metabolite Dianabol, the gains from M1T by itself were more impressive and seemed qualitatively superior, even when M1,4ADD was used at an appropriately high dose."

[dar1us19]

My personal experience from Dec 04, 16lbs of muscle in 2 weeks, 20mg every day. No nut shrinkage, no gyno (anti-estrogen), no acne, no hairloss, no prostate problems, slightly worse liver values (nothing like M1T), and beautiful strength. 2 weeks pct nolva.

[Cooter]

go away with your fuckin' spam advertisement

[dar1us19]

Its not fucking spam. Check out the best anabolic forum out there. www.anabolicminds.com, search for superdrol in the designer supplements forum. Im not selling shit. Just free info.

Or do a google search.

The top post in the DS section:
"Mixed up my powder from the "2nd batch" on Thursday April 7 and took my first dose then. I have been taking 16.6mg a day since. I hardly feel that i am taking anything. Hadnt noticed any crazy pumps or veins yet so i was getting worried but today i jumped on the scale at the gym and was up 6lbs from Thursday. 6lbs in 5 days is pretty awesome. My chest workout went well today too. Man, this is day 5. I am excited to see day 21."

[dar1us19]

This is legit and very underground.

[dar1us19]

Maybe from a site your friendly with? bodybuilding.com

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=369964&highlight=superdrol

[ls1eater]

die hard, die strong, dianabol

[davbrucas]

die hard, die strong, dianabol


typical response from the uneducated. :rolleyes:

[Josh@JKS]

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[dar1us19]

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[dar1us19]

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[ls1eater]

uneducated, :cool: how many cycles do you have under your belt, do you have any knowlege besides what you read online. How are you so educated, are you a doctor.

And for my last reply i saw a shirt that had that on it and i thought is was funny.

[superlopez]

uneducated, :cool: how many cycles do you have under your belt, do you have any knowlege besides what you read online. How are you so educated, are you a doctor.

And for my last reply i saw a shirt that had that on it and i thought is was funny.


He is a doctor. LOL

[davbrucas]

uneducated, :cool: how many cycles do you have under your belt, do you have any knowlege besides what you read online. How are you so educated, are you a doctor.

And for my last reply i saw a shirt that had that on it and i thought is was funny.


as a matter of fact i am a doctor. i assure you that i have more knowledge about AAS than you. just because you have done cycles before does not mean that you know endocrinology and pharmacology. ;)

[ls1eater]

well you got me on the doctor thing but i am pretty in the know about steroids, but since you are a doctor, this is a serious question what is winnie, or stanzabol used for medicaly, i know about other steroids and there medical feilds but what about this one.

[davbrucas]

well you got me on the doctor thing but i am pretty in the know about steroids, but since you are a doctor, this is a serious question what is winnie, or stanzabol used for medicaly, i know about other steroids and there medical feilds but what about this one.

no problem man....my comment above should have had a :) after it as i knew what you meant. i have never dealt with prescribing AAS but what i remember from medical school is that winstrol has been used in Hereditary Angioedema and any other illness where you want to promote protein synthesis and stimulate appetite...ie AIDS, muscular dystrophy, etc...
how have your cycles been and how did you do postcycle?

[ls1eater]

I tried clomid after one cycle and nova after another, but am done with test's, ive tried things like clen to cut fat but didnt like the side effects. What do you know about DNP, i know it really bad for the body but is it as bad as people say it is.

[davbrucas]

I tried clomid after one cycle and nova after another, but am done with test's, ive tried things like clen to cut fat but didnt like the side effects. What do you know about DNP, i know it really bad for the body but is it as bad as people say it is.

DNP is an oxidative phosphorylation uncoupler. cyanide has a similar mechanism of action. stay away from it as the therapeutic window is very very narrow and is different for each person. does it decrease fat? heck yes! but is it worth it? heck no. stick with clen/T3, ECA, thermorexin/yohimbine, etc...and good old cardio and diet! but you should seriously incorporate HCG along with a SERM, as well as an aromatase inhibitor into your PCT.

[ls1eater]

I knew it was bad but wow :eek: DNP i have heard works wonders but can kill you on the spot, so ive never messed with it. It's just like any other steroid to much can damage you body bad.

[davbrucas]

I knew it was bad but wow :eek: DNP i have heard works wonders but can kill you on the spot, so ive never messed with it. It's just like any other steroid to much can damage you body bad.

DNP is not a steroid. it is a phenol. it will kill you must faster than steroids for sure! :)

[ls1eater]

i know its not a steroid but is asumed in the steroid family by many. What is a doctors veiw on steroids in general. Do you agree if done right there not to bad on the body.

[davbrucas]

i know its not a steroid but is asumed in the steroid family by many. What is a doctors veiw on steroids in general. Do you agree if done right there not to bad on the body.

lol...steroids are meds just like tylenol. if you abuse them then you will have problems. i feel that people should be allowed to choose to use these meds if they so desire....but i wont prescribe any as that would jeopardize my licensing...

[ls1eater]

i feel the same way, over the counter or from a doctor should be legal. On the other hand maby the tests should be legal becuase poeple do tend to get out of control, and could cause some harm to society. EQ, Deca, Winnie, Anavar...... should be legal if chosen to take because there is no "high" like other drugs.

[Sami]

The most likely problem following that would be increased usage by teenagers. Right now you can get them if you like, just like drugs, but the extra step required will prevent many from doing it. If it was like going to buy candy from a store then many who would otherwise not mess with it would try it. Do we really want that?

Keep it legal only by RX but maybe relax the rules on when it could be prescribed.

[White_lightning]

My opinion is as follows: if you plan to be a pro body builder.. go right ahead.. you wont place or stand a chance with out it.. hell. 1/2 of the Natural guys are on something too..

I just lift for the fun of it.. so no juice for me.. but then i dont know many clean people who arent Pro or highly competative who can outlift me.

[ls1eater]

i agree with going to the doctor to get them, but what if there was an age requirment like Beer and tobaco.

[The Big Matt]

I don't know why you think it's "hard" to get steroids. There's nothing hard about it.

[Sami]

I don't know why you think it's "hard" to get steroids. There's nothing hard about it.
I don't think anyone said it is hard to get steroids.

[ls1eater]

who said it was hard, if you know the right people its like going to the candy store. :cool:

[11sec4eyes]

steroids are like nitrous...

it's only cheating if it's against the rules and you get caught ;)

BUT, it's also like nitrous in that if you're not smart with them, you can really fuck some shit up big time!!!

Forrest
definately, like shrinking your nuts

[davbrucas]

definately, like shrinking your nuts

HCG will prevent this...or restore them once they have atrophied....

[blkbullitt]

i dont give a shit if it's cheating, im on them right now. im stacking d-bol, and winnstral...

[01WhiteCobra]

i dont give a shit if it's cheating, im on them right now. im stacking d-bol, and winnstral...

What the hell is winnstral?

[davbrucas]

i dont give a shit if it's cheating, im on them right now. im stacking d-bol, and winnstral...

dbol and winstrol? who the hell designed that cycle? how exactly are you taking these? both pills? man, your liver is gonna be hating you! hope you are taking some tylers liver detox and r-ala. how do you plan to come off of this cycle?

[ls1eater]

D-bol= big and water weight
winnie= cut and lean

i agree who desgined that cycle, maby some d-bol and test, or d-bol and deca but d-bol and winnie :confused:

[Sami]

Winnie (stanozolol) is more of a strength steroid. I know many use it for cutting but its main benefit is increased strength (without bulk).

[ls1eater]

true, but you still should never mixed with d-bol, that is straight stupid, and davbrucas is right if he is on 2 pill form steroids that is so hard on the liver, i bet he drinks a case a week to. :(

[Sami]

true, but you still should never mixed with d-bol, that is straight stupid, and davbrucas is right if he is on 2 pill form steroids that is so hard on the liver, i bet he drinks a case a week to. :(
Maybe he is injecting. Still hard on your liver but not nearly as much as pills.

[ls1eater]

even if injected winnie is still pretty toxic on the body.