HGH - All natural - questions

[LTP]

I noticed a thread got deleted about roids, but there were some other good questions about other stuff.

HGH is good stuff and is not a steroid. However, it is supposed to be doctor prescribed. You can get it all over the internet though.

I stack HGH, HGF-1, and Testatropinol and it is awesome! Wicked gains without roids side effects.

If you want more info, just type HGH into a search engine.

You can also go to www.bodybuilding.com to buy some. :)

I use the Biopharma brand.

Lemme know if you have any questions about it.
:D ;)

[dewayne6243]

Have you tried to mix some test and deca with that stack?

[superlopez]

I have heard good things about Jintropin.

I don't think I am at that point yet, though.

Soon

[dewayne6243]

I have heard good things about Jintropin.

I don't think I am at that point yet, though.

Soon

You mean GENOTROPIN. That is what I am taking. Very good stuff.

[agiraldo]

jino is very good on some gh...
if anybody needs anything ansewred about "gear" lemme know i can also help but i will nto provide source info :)
only help on questions about cycles and stacking:)

[agiraldo]

BTW kexing is also another good brand on Gh :)

[dewayne6243]

Good info

Don't let the prices scare you. This is good stuff.

http://www.moderntherapy.com/hgh/genotropin/

[davbrucas]

jino is very good on some gh...
if anybody needs anything ansewred about "gear" lemme know i can also help but i will nto provide source info :)
only help on questions about cycles and stacking:)



there is a physician on this board that can provide much better info about this stuff than you i am sure! wouldnt want you to come on here and give some advice that will cause someone harm. what is your theory on PCT?

[davbrucas]

Have you tried to mix some test and deca with that stack?


last time i checked, HGH alone was not considered a stack! :confused:

test and deca work great together, but any steroid novice will grow just as much on one drug. preferrably test. no need to stack drugs until you need to to grow. heck, most people that use dont even need it to get bigger, they are just too lazy to work as hard as needed....and eat as much as needed. some that hit a plateau in their training can resort to AAS, but that plateau will not come before 30 unless you have been hitting the weights for many years. also, it is easy to stuff the drugs in your body, but knowing what you are doing and understanding the pharmacology/physiology will go a long way in your recovery and decrease your side effects. ancillary drugs are as important, if not more important than AAS. so if you are gonna use, at least research EVERYTHING first....or just email me.

[LTP]

Have you tried to mix some test and deca with that stack?


i've never taken any steroids. i'm all natural brotha.

i would take them, but I don't know shit about them. so i would just waste my time, money and possibly break something inside me. lol

[davbrucas]

i've never taken any steroids. i'm all natural brotha.

i would take them, but I don't know shit about them. so i would just waste my time, money and possibly break something inside me. lol

smart man. i wish more people would think as healthy as you...or at least research for a year or so before making the jump! ;)

[LTP]

[QUOTE=davbrucas]last time i checked, HGH alone was not considered a stack! :confused:

[QUOTE]


i dont think he meant stack, i think he was referring to the number of products I was using, since I am using three different ones. :)

[01WhiteCobra]

there is a physician on this board that can provide much better info about this stuff than you i am sure! wouldnt want you to come on here and give some advice that will cause someone harm. what is your theory on PCT?

A little Clomiphene citrate does a body good.

[davbrucas]

A little Clomiphene citrate does a body good.

the only SERM that i would recommend for moderate cycles is nolvadex. works as good at lower doses than clomid without some of the sides. clomid will turn even the hardest of men into whiny little bitches! :) HCG + nolva + an aromatase inhibitor for PCT every single time my man...much better recovery than clomid alone....but clomid does work, but most cannot tolerate the side effects at the doseages needed for recovery.

[davbrucas]

i dont think he meant stack, i think he was referring to the number of products I was using, since I am using three different ones. :)


i know what he meant...just giving him a hard time....it kinda shows some ignorance about AAS with the sentence worded like that. :o (his sentence that is)

[LTP]

smart man. i wish more people would think as healthy as you...or at least research for a year or so before making the jump! ;)


no doubt. i see it all the time. guys wasting their time and money. i had a dummy roomate in Austin who was lazy, but took lots of roids. he would be sitting on the couch and I swear he would say "dude, i can feel myself getting bigger. this shit rules." lmfao


I am 198 right now and wicked lean and 5'8, but I am waiting until I get to about 220 before I even consider roids, unless it was something to help a pre-contest training. I don't have any lacking body parts like huge arms and small legs, everything is even. Which is from what I have found, lots of guys take roids for. I think it was called "site injections" or something. I called it "too lazy to work your legs" hahhaha :eek:

[01WhiteCobra]

the only SERM that i would recommend for moderate cycles is nolvadex. works as good at lower doses than clomid without some of the sides. clomid will turn even the hardest of men into whiny little bitches! :) HCG + nolva + an aromatase inhibitor for PCT every single time my man...much better recovery than clomid alone....but clomid does work, but most cannot tolerate the side effects at the doseages needed for recovery.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking Post Coital Test (PCT). :)

Yea, Clomid makes the hardest men into whiny little bitches when their wife takes it for conceiving purposes.

They should have the "Hormone Hotel" for husbands of wives that are in Clomid treatment. I know I could have used about a month there (but it did work!).

[davbrucas]

no doubt. i see it all the time. guys wasting their time and money. i had a dummy roomate in Austin who was lazy, but took lots of roids. he would be sitting on the couch and I swear he would say "dude, i can feel myself getting bigger. this shit rules." lmfao


I am 198 right now and wicked lean and 5'8, but I am waiting until I get to about 220 before I even consider roids, unless it was something to help a pre-contest training. I don't have any lacking body parts like huge arms and small legs, everything is even. Which is from what I have found, lots of guys take roids for. I think it was called "site injections" or something. I called it "too lazy to work your legs" hahhaha :eek:

there is no evidence that site injections work. think about it...most inject in their glutes but you see BB'ers walking around with big asses? :)

[davbrucas]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking Post Coital Test (PCT). :)

Yea, Clomid makes the hardest men into whiny little bitches when their wife takes it for conceiving purposes.

They should have the "Hormone Hotel" for husbands of wives that are in Clomid treatment. I know I could have used about a month there (but it did work!).


lol...PCT = post cycle therapy! :) but you take some of that shit...you can pay her back! you will be just like she was! i have heard stories about big bad dudes crying like babies over the silliest of things!

[LTP]

there is no evidence that site injections work. think about it...most inject in their glutes but you see BB'ers walking around with big asses? :)


hahhaha...yeah i know, I didn't say if it worked or not.

as far as a big ass, I got that without roids, but I earned that shit on my leg days! hahaha ;) i, thankfully, was blessed with naturally titanic legs, so I don't have to work them much. they just grow like crazy as it is. :eek:

[The Raven]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking Post Coital Test (PCT). :)


It's Post Cycle Therapy isn't it?


*edit* I just caught Dave's reponse.

[01WhiteCobra]

lol...PCT = post cycle therapy! :) but you take some of that shit...you can pay her back! you will be just like she was! i have heard stories about big bad dudes crying like babies over the silliest of things!

I was joking. :D But, first thing that hit me when I read that was her OB/GYN discussing her PCT.

Back in the day (like 20 years ago) we had one choice, HCG.

[davbrucas]

I was joking. :D But, first thing that hit me when I read that was her OB/GYN discussing her PCT.

Back in the day (like 20 years ago) we had one choice, HCG.

i knew you were joking...:) i cant believe that OB-GYNs are still using the postcoital test! that test doesnt show anything! :)

http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1998082104.shtml

i wouldnt want to be the one analyzing that stinky sample! :)

[The Raven]

heck, most people that use dont even need it to get bigger, they are just too lazy to work as hard as needed....and eat as much as needed. some that hit a plateau in their training can resort to AAS, but that plateau will not come before 30 unless you have been hitting the weights for many years.


Sometimes I feel like I'm closing in on my natural limits, and my mind turns to researching AAS/HGH, but I've not quite commited to taking that step. I'm not quite 30, but I've been hitting the weights for near a decade, is there any quantifyable point at which natural growth stops? I don't think I'm quite there, but it sure does seem to creep along.

[01WhiteCobra]

i knew you were joking...:) i cant believe that OB-GYNs are still using the postcoital test! that test doesnt show anything! :)

http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1998082104.shtml

i wouldnt want to be the one analyzing that stinky sample! :)

Dude was about 70. I do believe he birthed cows in the morning and delivered babies in the afternoon.

I loved to talk fishing with the guy. Reminded me of the old doctor on Doc Hollywood.

[davbrucas]

Sometimes I feel like I'm closing in on my natural limits, and my mind turns to researching AAS/HGH, but I've not quite commited to taking that step. I'm not quite 30, but I've been hitting the weights for near a decade, is there any quantifyable point at which natural growth stops? I don't think I'm quite there, but it sure does seem to creep along.

there really is no one point where you just stop growing, but as we age it gets harder and harder to gain and maintain...and recover! this is usually not reached until the 3rd decade, but some reach it sooner. most of these are very serious bodybuilders. you may have reached a point to where it would take more than you are willing to give to gain any more or you may just want to change your body composition. since you have been training for that many years, you have no doubt built a foundation for AAS use. it is a bigger step than some believe, but under the right conditions, completely safe. shoot me an email if you have any questions about which direction to go if you are so inclined...

david
davbrucas@aol.com

[01WhiteCobra]

Sometimes I feel like I'm closing in on my natural limits, and my mind turns to researching AAS/HGH, but I've not quite commited to taking that step. I'm not quite 30, but I've been hitting the weights for near a decade, is there any quantifyable point at which natural growth stops? I don't think I'm quite there, but it sure does seem to creep along.


40 is when everything goes down hill, trust me. I'm maintaining now. :D

[davbrucas]

40 is when everything goes down hill, trust me. I'm maintaining now. :D

yessir...when i get to 36 i will start myself on some HGH...2-4IU per day will keep father time away! :)

[01WhiteCobra]

yessir...when i get to 36 i will start myself on some HGH...2-4IU per day will keep father time away! :)

LOL.

Had my first ever scare at the annual physical this last time... "All your tests were good to excellent.... except for your LFTs we need you to come in for additional blood work and a sonogram" shit.

My TBIL was 2.5 MG/DL and ALB was 6.5 G/DL. :eek: Second set ALB went down to 4.6 G/DL and TBIL is hovering right over the high normal range at 1.5 MG/DL.

Ended up I have freakin' gallstones. Luckily they are sitting at the bottom of the gall bladder and not in the duct region.

Gonna wait and see if they worsen. For a week I was scared to touch the beer fridge!

[davbrucas]

LOL.

Had my first ever scare at the annual physical this last time... "All your tests were good to excellent.... except for your LFTs we need you to come in for additional blood work and a sonogram" shit.

My TBIL was 2.5 MG/DL and ALB was 6.5 G/DL. :eek: Second set ALB went down to 4.6 G/DL and TBIL is hovering right over the high normal range at 1.5 MG/DL.

Ended up I have freakin' gallstones. Luckily they are sitting at the bottom of the gall bladder and not in the duct region.

Gonna wait and see if they worsen. For a week I was scared to touch the beer fridge!


you will eventually need that gall bladder out...it is a very easy surgery nowadays. done laparascopically, it will take 20mins and you will be home the same day. if you start getting pain under your liver with or without fatty foods, then you will need to go get the surgery. cholecystitis is a serious condition. especially if you get fever and jaundice with the pain... called charcots triad (cholangitis).

[superlopez]

David

I am diabetic and have not been able to find a whole lot of info on AAS use with diabetes. Can you point me in the right direction. TIA

[davbrucas]

how old are you? what was your last HgB A1c? you have any complications from diabetes? ie, peripheral neuropathy, kidney disease, vision problems...how much insulin do you take daily? diabetics can safely use AAS but they should be closely monitored by a physician and they should have a record of excellent glycemic control...if you cannot control your sugar correctly, then you cannot control AAS. i will find you some reading material about it...

[agiraldo]

DAVBRUCAS:
First off all I have done over 4 cycles and I have been training for over 8 years now, I am sure the doctor" knows more but before you start bashing know ur shit...
LOL
Pm me if u want my theory on PCT oh yeah and if you want a good diet or info on how to actually get in shape let me know and I will help you out.
I used to be 275lbs and I Have pics to prove when i was 19 y/o and now I am around 225 and will help anybody out b/c iHATE P.O.S. thats wont help a person out
thanks thats my input davbrucas so STFU

[agiraldo]

oh and depending on how fast acting ur ester is .....SITE injections are benfecial in some instances :)
so SH................

[LTP]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclegain.htm

that is where I get my HGH. ASN is what I use and it's been good to me. :)

Also, lots of good info there about different types of products.

Good luck.

:D

[davbrucas]

DAVBRUCAS:
First off all I have done over 4 cycles and I have been training for over 8 years now, I am sure the doctor" knows more but before you start bashing know ur shit...
LOL
Pm me if u want my theory on PCT oh yeah and if you want a good diet or info on how to actually get in shape let me know and I will help you out.
I used to be 275lbs and I Have pics to prove when i was 19 y/o and now I am around 225 and will help anybody out b/c iHATE P.O.S. thats wont help a person out
thanks thats my input davbrucas so STFU


people think that using makes them all knowing. i am sure that you know a bit about AAS. most people that use do. but giving cycle advice to others is something best left to vets or physicians. that was the point of my post. i am sorry if you were offended. i help out any that ask...nearly free of charge! :D j/k

[superlopez]

how old are you? what was your last HgB A1c? you have any complications from diabetes? ie, peripheral neuropathy, kidney disease, vision problems...how much insulin do you take daily? diabetics can safely use AAS but they should be closely monitored by a physician and they should have a record of excellent glycemic control...if you cannot control your sugar correctly, then you cannot control AAS. i will find you some reading material about it...

I am 26

I have no idea about the HgB A1c

About 7-8 months ago I was tired all the time.I tried those energy drinks and they would make it worse.So I went to the doctor and had my b/s tested and it was 330+
He wrote me a script for a pill, that I took every morning.Abou a week later I started working out and watching my diet.A cople of weeks later I started a Test Enat, Winny stack.About three weeks later I noticed my B\S level getting lower and lower.It got to the point I had to start taking in sugar everyday. I then stopped taking the diabetes med. and now my blood sugar is in check.In the moning before breakfast it is in the 85-95 range and by dinner time it creaps up to the 105-120 range.I have not been back to the doctor yet. But plan on going in the next couple
of weeks .

Thanks for your help.

[01WhiteCobra]

people think that using makes them all knowing. i am sure that you know a bit about AAS. most people that use do. but giving cycle advice to others is something best left to vets or physicians. that was the point of my post. i am sorry if you were offended. i help out any that ask...nearly free of charge! :D j/k

Yea but did you get your training on a internet BB, men's locker room or at the squat rack? Huh? Huh?

[dewayne6243]

i've never taken any steroids. i'm all natural brotha.

i would take them, but I don't know shit about them. so i would just waste my time, money and possibly break something inside me. lol

There is nothing natural about HGH. Just ask a few pro baseball players.

[LTP]

Just ask a few pro baseball players.

they were taking straight up roids from my understanding.

[LTP]

more good HGH info:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hgh.html

[davbrucas]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclegain.htm

that is where I get my HGH. ASN is what I use and it's been good to me. :)

Also, lots of good info there about different types of products.

Good luck.

:D


man, that is not the HGH you want! :) the real stuff is very expensive and injectable. i would stop taking that crap and look for some Jintropin, Kexing, Genotropin, Humatrope, Nutropin, etc...costs about $400 for a 126IU kit. 4IU/day for 5days then off for 2. it will take 6mos to get the most out of it. i prefer humatrope or jintropin. if you take it you are at risk for insulin resistance which is a side effect of HGH. some BB'ers take insulin with HGH but that could lead to further hypoglycemia. i recommend glucophage(metformin) along with HGH and testosterone for best results....

With HGH, the insulin resistance is not because of the lack of Insulin, but because of the resistance in peripheral tissues. Glucophage will aid with insulin resistance here. More Insulin could actually make you more hypoglycemic.

Here is an interesting article:

Metformin restores responses to insulin but not to growth hormone in Sprague-Dawley rats.
Biochem Biophys Res Commun 2002 Mar 1;291(3):722-6 (ISSN: 0006-291X)
Borst SE; Snellen HG; Ross H; Scarpace PJ; Kim YW
VA Medical Center, Education and Clinical Center, Gainesville, Florida 32608, USA. sborst@pharmacology.ufl.edu.
Administration of growth hormone (GH) increases muscle mass in F344 x BN rats, but not in Sprague-Dawley (S-D) rats. S-D rats are insulin-resistant and insulin responsiveness is required for the anabolic actions of GH. We hypothesized that correction of insulin resistance with metformin might also restore anabolic effects of GH. Treatment with GH (0.25 or 1.0 mg/kg twice daily for 9 days) had limited anabolic effects, reducing weight gain by 14%, increasing muscle glycogen content by 40% and increasing exercise capacity by 24%, but failing to increase muscle mass or to reduce fat mass. GH also impaired insulin responsiveness and increased visceral fat TNF content of visceral fat by 77%. Metformin enhanced insulin responsiveness in skeletal muscle, but failed to enhance anabolic effects of GH. Rats aged 14 weeks were treated for 21 days with metformin (320 mg/kg/day) and for the last 9 days, with GH (0.25 mg/kg, twice daily). Metformin caused a 2.3-fold increase in insulin-stimulated muscle glucose transport and a 20% reduction in muscle fatty acid oxidation, indicating increased glucose utilization. However, metformin did not augment GH-induced weight reduction. Metformin decreased visceral fat by 22% and subcutaneous fat by 20%, but no decreases were observed in the GH/metformin group. GH increased muscle glycogen by 40%, but the effect was reversed by metformin. VO(2max) was increased 24% by GH and 17% by metformin, but was not elevated in the GH/metformin group. GH increased TNF (Tumor Necrosis Factor) in visceral fat and the effect was augmented by metformin (144% increase). We conclude that metformin enhances some aspects of insulin responsiveness, but does not enhance anabolic responses to GH. The latter may, in part, be explained by the failure of metformin to prevent GH-induced elevation of TNF in visceral fat.

[davbrucas]

Yea but did you get your training on a internet BB, men's locker room or at the squat rack? Huh? Huh?


lol...i thought i knew it all back when i was in the army and juicing...then i got out and went to medical school! boy was i ignorant! :D

[davbrucas]

I am 26

I have no idea about the HgB A1c

About 7-8 months ago I was tired all the time.I tried those energy drinks and they would make it worse.So I went to the doctor and had my b/s tested and it was 330+
He wrote me a script for a pill, that I took every morning.Abou a week later I started working out and watching my diet.A cople of weeks later I started a Test Enat, Winny stack.About three weeks later I noticed my B\S level getting lower and lower.It got to the point I had to start taking in sugar everyday. I then stopped taking the diabetes med. and now my blood sugar is in check.In the moning before breakfast it is in the 85-95 range and by dinner time it creaps up to the 105-120 range.I have not been back to the doctor yet. But plan on going in the next couple
of weeks .

Thanks for your help.


if thats the whole story then i doubt you are diabetic. to diagnose diabetes, you need a fasting blood sugar of >126, random sugar of >220 on three separate visits. while it is not normal to have a blood sugar of 330, you do need further testing to properly diagnose the disease. are you severely overweight? i see that you are hispanic...type II diabetes is prevalent in the hispanic population. i assume your doc gave you metformin (glucophage)?
what other symptoms did you have at that time? were you pissing a lot? thirsty all the time? did you doc run any other tests like endocrine function tests?

[Sami]

HGH is good stuff and is not a steroid.
ROTFLMAO

[davbrucas]

yep, HGH is just as illegal as anabolic steroids! dont kid yourself!

[LTP]

ROTFLMAO

Testosterone is just as natural as Human Growth Hormone. What makes HGH any better than testosterone?


well, if you think I don't know, then you should explain it instead of being a smartass.

[Sami]

well, if you think I don't know, then you should explain it instead of being a smartass.
LOL. I edited the post because I started to have doubts about you being serious. Please do explain why HGH is better than testosterone.

[LTP]

LOL. I edited the post because I started to have doubts about you being serious. Please do explain why HGH is better than testosterone.

i never said it was. why don't you read my post again and YOU explain it instead of being a prick?

[agiraldo]

YEAH so many pricks on this damnt tthread (including me ) lol
hey LTP if u need any type of help with a doctor or anything PM me and I can help you otherwise lemme know

[davbrucas]

LTP, if you are younger than 30, then do not use HGH....if you are younger than 25, do not use AAS. :)

[Sami]

i never said it was. why don't you read my post again and YOU explain it instead of being a prick?
Really? You are making it sound like HGH is somehow harmless and doesn't have side effects because it is not technically a steroid. Both testosterone and HGH are hormones, both are natural. So why would one take HGH and not steroids?

I was taking steroids a while back. RX medication for nasal congestion. Less side effects than HGH.

What was point of mentioning HGH is not a steroid? Why should it matter?

[LTP]

so use AAS until 30, then start HGH in it's place?

[LTP]

[QUOTE=Sami] You are making it sound like HGH is somehow harmful QUOTE]

see, you can't fucking read. i never said HGH was harmful. Quite the opposite actually.

[Sami]

see, you can't fucking read.
That would be 'write' not read. I did edit that typo before your post.

[davbrucas]

lol...a lot to learn have you young padawan! read my post above about when you would need AAS (anabolic steroids).

LMAO...steroids used for nasal congestion and steroids used to build muscle are very different!! corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are different my man! :) i hope you knew that! :D

[LTP]

That would be 'write' not read. I did edit that typo before your post.

i don't think that we are talking about prescription roids cause your wittle nose hurts.

so since you had a sinus infection, you are a pro on HGH and roids?

lmfao

:eek:

[Sami]

LMAO...steroids used for nasal congestion and steroids used to build muscle are very different!! corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are different my man! :) i hope you knew that! :D
Of course I knew that. LTP is trying to be a smartass (if he is serious at all). AAS and HGH are both hormones, both have side effects. That's what makes his post very odd.

[davbrucas]

Of course I knew that. LTP is trying to be a smartass (if he is serious at all). AAS and HGH are both hormones, both have side effects. That's what makes his post very odd.


cool...LTP is here to learn so take it easy on him. it is too easy to pop off to people on these msg boards b/c there is no fear of getting punched in the mouth! we need to add a "bitch-slap" button on here! :) so we all agree that HGH and AAS are illegal and both have side effects?

[LTP]

Of course I knew that. LTP is trying to be a smartass (if he is serious at all). AAS and HGH are both hormones, both have side effects. That's what makes his post very odd.

well, if you don't understand my post, then I apologize for not being more clear. I was referring to the specific products that I am taking, not all HGH or AAS products.

I never said I was a pro on the subject, you assumed that I thought I did. This is why I put "QUESTIONS" in the title of the thread.

[LTP]

cool...LTP is here to learn so take it easy on him.

indeed. i never recommend a product unless I have taken it and it has shown to be effective.

on the flip side of that coin, I never ask a dillhole his opinion about something if he doesn't have experience with it and knowledge on the subject.

For example, I don't think many people are rushing to Stevie Wonder for driving lessons.. lmao

[davbrucas]

indeed. i never recommend a product unless I have taken it and it has shown to be effective.

on the flip side of that coin, I never ask a dillhole his opinion about something if he doesn't have experience with it and knowledge on the subject.

For example, I don't think many people are rushing to Stevie Wonder for driving lessons.. lmao

how can we make this thread not get off topic if you continue to flame the guy? just ignore him or work it out...pretty easy. just a simple misunderstanding....plain and simple. :)

[Sami]

Lemme know if you have any questions about it.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were the one telling us how good it is, not that you were the one asking the questions. Very easy to understand it that way when there wasn't a single question mark on your post.

Sorry again, I was just thinking you were telling how great HGH is because it isn't a steroid.

[davbrucas]

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were the one telling us how good it is, not that you were the one asking the questions. Very easy to understand when there wasn't a single question mark on your post.

Sorry again, I was just thinking you were telling how great HGH is because it isn't a steroid.


ahh...group therapy is so special aint it? :D j/k

[LTP]

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were the one telling us how good it is, not that you were the one asking the questions. Very easy to understand when there wasn't a single question mark on your post.

Sorry again, I was just thinking you were telling how great HGH is because it isn't a steroid.

i was telling how i liked the product i was taking. read it again, or stop nitpicking my posts. all you've done is attack my posts, you haven't offered one bit of useful info on this post at all.

[LTP]

ahh...group therapy is so special aint it? :D j/k


hahahaha....absolutely.

anyhow, i hope this posts helps people out with their questions and what not. :cool:

[davbrucas]

ok, once and for all...

the best stack is as follows...
estradiol 800mg/wk for 12wks
progesterone 650mg/wk for 12wks


for PCT, just get yourself some DD bras and makeup. then youre all set. :D

oh yeah...you may need some tampons as well. :eek:

[Sami]

i was telling how i liked the product i was taking. read it again, or stop nitpicking my posts. all you've done is attack my posts, you haven't offered one bit of useful info on this post at all.
Your post comes off as a recommendation to use HGH because it isn't a steroid. At that point I assumed Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid, not the steroids I mentioned for nasal congestion. Both are hormones and both are harmful for your body so I just had hard time understanding your posts. Now that I know you're just learning about them yourself I understand the post better.

Just for your healths sake it would be better if you didn't use hormones before you understand more about them. I'm no expert either but there seem to be so many in this thread so use their help.

EDIT: Are you referring to products that claim to increase natural HGH production or HGH itself?

[LTP]

Just for your healths sake it would be better if you didn't use hormones before you understand more about them. I'm no expert either but there seem to be so many in this thread so use their help.

EDIT: Are you referring to products that claim to increase natural HGH production or HGH itself?


again, read my post. lol

i'm not trying to be a smartass,honestly, but you just aren't reading or something.

click the link to look at exactly what I am taking and you'll get it. you got to read the whole post, and not get bent out of shape over one sentence. it all goes together in one big post. :)

answer to your edit: natural HGH production

:D

[davbrucas]

i already schooled him on the homeopathic crap that he is taking... :D

[LTP]

i already schooled him on the homeopathic crap that he is taking... :D



hahhahaa...hey man, it may not be the hard core HGH, but it has been working for me so far. then again, i got my diet and routine on lock. hahahah


however, i am going to finish what I got, and then start another recommended cycle of something else. *wink wink*

lol

:eek:

[Sami]

answer to your edit: natural HGH production

Ok, your post wasn't very clear so I misunderstood that you were talking about HGH.

"HGH is good stuff and is not a steroid."
"If you want more info, just type HGH into a search engine."

[LTP]

Ok, your post wasn't very clear so I misunderstood that you were talking about HGH.

"HGH is good stuff and is not a steroid."
"If you want more info, just type HGH into a search engine."

again with you nitpicking my posts.

nobody else had a problem understanding what I posted except you.

next time, i will try to be more thorough with my post writing so as to not confuse anyone who might not read the whole thing. ;)

[davbrucas]

hahhahaa...hey man, it may not be the hard core HGH, but it has been working for me so far. then again, i got my diet and routine on lock. hahahah


however, i am going to finish what I got, and then start another recommended cycle of something else. *wink wink*

lol

:eek:

you wont have to wait until you are off this placebo (thats what it is...a placebo) to start an AAS cycle. but i would recommend that you wait on the AAS....

[LTP]

but i would recommend that you wait on the AAS....

because of where I am in my routine / physically? or because I would rather use it precontest? I don't fully understand you there partner.

[Sami]

again with you nitpicking my posts.
I'm not nitpicking your post, you just have a very confusing way of writing. You were thinking of products claiming to boost HGH production but you were writing about HGH itself. You are obviously a very young lad with an attitude so I will leave it at that. Good luck with your experiments.

[The Big Matt]

I think what he's saying is that you are naturally progressing quite well, as far as that HGH "helper", i'm sure you think you are seeing great results, but you'd probably be seeing them without it also. Wait until your natural progression starts to take a turn, or level off, before using AAS.

I'm on a cycle right now. Equipoise and Deca. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who hasn't fully researched everything about them. I've got two weeks left on this cycle, and it's not my first one. I did test and sten years ago without knowing anything about them. Probably one of the reasons I ended up weighing 330 pounds at one point. I thought it was a quick fix back then, and "magic". Boy I knew absolutely nothing about the subject back then.

Definately consult a Dr, or someone on that level, as well as people that have used both heavy, and correctly.

If you did a cycle right now, I don't think you'd really get much more gains than you could naturally. Just be careful what you put in your body.

[superlopez]

if thats the whole story then i doubt you are diabetic. to diagnose diabetes, you need a fasting blood sugar of >126, random sugar of >220 on three separate visits. while it is not normal to have a blood sugar of 330, you do need further testing to properly diagnose the disease. are you severely overweight? i see that you are hispanic...type II diabetes is prevalent in the hispanic population. i assume your doc gave you metformin (glucophage)?
what other symptoms did you have at that time? were you pissing a lot? thirsty all the time? did you doc run any other tests like endocrine function tests?

I guess I need to go back to the doctor.

I will try to go this week.I will let you know what happens.

Thanks for ansewring my questions.I appreciate it.

[superlopez]

I think what he's saying is that you are naturally progressing quite well, as far as that HGH "helper", i'm sure you think you are seeing great results, but you'd probably be seeing them without it also. Wait until your natural progression starts to take a turn, or level off, before using AAS.

I'm on a cycle right now. Equipoise and Deca. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who hasn't fully researched everything about them. I've got two weeks left on this cycle, and it's not my first one. I did test and sten years ago without knowing anything about them. Probably one of the reasons I ended up weighing 330 pounds at one point. I thought it was a quick fix back then, and "magic". Boy I knew absolutely nothing about the subject back then.

Definately consult a Dr, or someone on that level, as well as people that have used both heavy, and correctly.

If you did a cycle right now, I don't think you'd really get much more gains than you could naturally. Just be careful what you put in your body.


Good to hear your not BS yourself. A few people told me my BF% was to high for AAS. I think I proved them wrong.When are you gonna come workout with me?
Give me a holla when you get a chance, you should still have my #.

[superlopez]

You mean GENOTROPIN. That is what I am taking. Very good stuff.


No

I mean Jintropin. Are you sure what you got there is HGH or a HGH booster?

[dewayne6243]

No

I mean Jintropin. Are you sure what you got there is HGH or a HGH booster?

This is the people that I buy it from. It cost he $5,000 for 6 months. Hope it is real.

http://www.moderntherapy.com/hgh/genotropin/

[superlopez]

This is the people that I buy it from. It cost he $5,000 for 6 months. Hope it is real.

http://www.moderntherapy.com/hgh/genotropin/


Cool

You learn something new everyday.I had never heard of it before.

[dewayne6243]

Cool

You learn something new everyday.I had never heard of it before.

These are the only ones that I have heard of.


Injectible Growth Hormone:

Protropin
Saizen
Geref (Seristim)
Nutropin
Genotropin
Humatropin

[superlopez]

The good stuff

[davbrucas]

matt,
what are your plans for PCT with that cycle? man, you are gonna be shut down hard coming off those two! ALWAYS have a test-based drug in the cycle when you use nandrolone based drugs! your body will thank you! :) if you havent already, i would start on some dostinex (cabergoline) at 0.5mg every 4 days throughout your cycle and PCT. you should definitely be using the HCG/nolva/clomid PCT and for at least 6wks. aromatase inhibitors wont be needed with this cycle. you will be shut down due to progesterone/prolactin, not estrogen. you have any problems with libido yet? good luck man.

[davbrucas]

as far as HGH, jintropin is the best stuff out there...not saying that they others dont work though.

[LTP]

I'm not nitpicking your post, you just have a very confusing way of writing. You were thinking of products claiming to boost HGH production but you were writing about HGH itself. You are obviously a very young lad with an attitude so I will leave it at that. Good luck with your experiments.

i dont have an attitude, i was just sick of your fucking smartass comments. you were being a prick, not offering anything to the thread that was useful.

again, you need to learn to fucking read. nobody else had a problem with my posts except your fucking ass, so it's not my "confusing writing" lmfao

[Sami]

i dont have an attitude, i was just sick of your fucking smartass comments. you were being a prick, not offering anything to the thread that was useful.

again, you need to learn to fucking read. nobody else had a problem with my posts except your fucking ass, so it's not my "confusing writing" lmfao
PLONK, that should solve your problem.

[LTP]

PLONK, that should solve your problem.


you not posting would solve my problem. lol

seriously man, just move the hell on.

[LTP]

I think what he's saying is that you are naturally progressing quite well, as far as that HGH "helper", i'm sure you think you are seeing great results, but you'd probably be seeing them without it also. Wait until your natural progression starts to take a turn, or level off, before using AAS.




i thought that's what he meant, I just wasn't quite sure.

I am progressing very well. I have my diet and routine finely tuned and on lock. I make progress every week with strength and gains. My gains aren't fat either, thank god. I thankfully have wonderful genetics for bodybuilding.

I really do think that the HGH helper I am taking is effective. Since I am so lean and have such a fine tuned routine, I can notice any subtle changes in my body. Usually, when I take any supplement, I am very hypersensative to it (i guess thats the word), and my body takes full use of it right away. If that makes sense. So I could just imagine the freaky monster I would be by using AAS.

Since this is my first year to compete, I want to wait until the offseason to start any AAS because if I use it now, it will bump me into another weight class I am not ready to be in right now. I am trying to stay in the light heavyweight class, which limits at 198lbs, and that is where I am at. The last thing I want to do is to compete at the bottom of the next weight class and be the smallest guy on stage.

Shawn Ray had this problem for years. He was HUGE, but stand him next to Dorian Yates, and we'll, he look's little even though he's not. :D

[The Big Matt]

Thanks for the advice davbrucus, if you don't mind, can you pm me a good post cycle setup. That's the only thing I'm having issues finding solid info on.

I've started to notice some libido issues this past week. Deca dick is what i was told it's called. haha

Thanks

[AL P]

Thanks for the advice davbrucus, if you don't mind, can you pm me a good post cycle setup. That's the only thing I'm having issues finding solid info on.

I've started to notice some libido issues this past week. Deca dick is what i was told it's called. haha

Thanks

Dude, you don't need to be taking that bullshit. All you need to do is workout hard for now.

[davbrucas]

Dude, you don't need to be taking that bullshit. All you need to do is workout hard for now.


too late Al... :)


matt, here is what you need to be doing...follow this to a T.

get yourself some cabergoline from here...
www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp

scroll down and click the "contact us" link for the 1mg cabergoline tabs. take 1/2 tab every 4 days starting as soon as you get the med and all the way thru PCT that i will describe below.

start PCT 10days after your last injection of your cycle...
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3 wks along with 20mg nolvadex every day. after the 3 weeks, stop the HCG and continue the nolvadex for another 3wks at 20mg every day. you should still be taking cabergoline 0.5mg (1/2 tab) every 4th day thru these 6wks as well. HCG will come in 5000IU Pregenyl kits. you will need 2 kits. when you get ready to use it, THROW AWAY the solvent that comes with it. keep the 2 powder vials. get some sterile water, 1 empty, sterile, sealed 10cc vial, syringes and needles from here....
http://gpzservices.easystorecreator.com/browse_dept_items.asp/categ_id/1/parent_ids/0/Name/Products

add 1cc of sterile water to each of the 2 HCG powder vials. the powder will dissolve. add 8cc sterile water to the empty 10cc vial (you will use a syringe and needle to add the water to the 10cc vial). then add the 2cc of mixed HCG to the 10cc vial with the 8cc sterile water. this will give you 10cc 1000IU/cc HCG. inject 1cc every MWF for 3 wks. make sure you take nolva every day throughout the entire 6wks of PCT. YOU MUST refridgerate the HCG once you mix it and prior to mixing it. put it in the fridge until you need it. then take it out and mix as above and then put back in fridge. it will be good for 30days like this. if you use the solvent included, it will only be good for 1 day. the cabergoline will decrease your prolactin levels which are causing you to be shut down hard. DECA DICK! :)

[Sami]

Now that we got the misunderstanding out of the way, here is my take on those HGH "boosters".

The side effects from steroids and HGH comes from overdosing, not from the synthetic drugs themselves. Smartly used, preferably under doctors guidance with blood tests, they are safe. The more you either inject to your body, or your body naturally produces, the more you are going to see side effects. The reason why these "boosters" do not have side effects is that their boost is minimal, or non-existant. If they would be capable of raising your natural production to levels obtained by hormone abuse, you would see most of the same side effects as with synthetic hormones.

davbrucas, you can probably correct me if I am wrong.

[dar1us19]

http://muscle-research.com/main.asp?form_step=products
then click on research chems.
he ships them with an icepack also.


Definitely get it from the link above. For feedback check out there forum section on anabolicminds.com <--- i must warn you, that site is addicting.

[davbrucas]

doesnt look like there is much on that site as far as chemicals. i would go to www.ancillaryguys.com or www.researchchemist.com as they sell much more. also, www.liquachem.com....

[01WhiteCobra]

http://muscle-research.com/main.asp?form_step=products
then click on research chems.
he ships them with an icepack also.


Definitely get it from the link above. For feedback check out there forum section on anabolicminds.com <--- i must warn you, that site is addicting.

Yea, I buy all my drugs from a Mail Boxes postal addresses that only accepts cash, money order or certified check.

From a website that was registered via an anonymous proxy.

:rolleyes:

[davbrucas]

Yea, I buy all my drugs from a Mail Boxes postal addresses that only accepts cash, money order or certified check.

From a website that was registered via an anonymous proxy.

:rolleyes:


amen....i know the ones i listed are legit.

[dar1us19]

Umm ok whatever. Like I said it before, go to www.anabolicminds.com and scroll your lazy asses down to the sponsors section. Click on muscleresearch and read all the damn feedback. I have ordered myself from them. And all those sites that you posted have sickly high prices. I dunno who would be stupid enough to use those places, but I guess I do now. http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28

<best fucking prices and I must have ordered from him at least 30x by now. Plus he's a sponsor the anabolicminds board, so you can read there feedback too.

The nice things you do for ungrateful bastards.

[01WhiteCobra]

Umm ok whatever. Like I said it before, go to www.anabolicminds.com and scroll your lazy asses down to the sponsors section. Click on muscleresearch and read all the damn feedback. I have ordered myself from them. And all those sites that you posted have sickly high prices. I dunno who would be stupid enough to use those places, but I guess I do now. http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28

<best fucking prices and I must have ordered from him at least 30x by now. Plus he's a sponsor the anabolicminds board, so you can read there feedback too.

The nice things you do for ungrateful bastards.

Who runs muscle research?

Well, look at that shit, anabolicminds.com is anonomously registered as well.

[davbrucas]

Umm ok whatever. Like I said it before, go to www.anabolicminds.com and scroll your lazy asses down to the sponsors section. Click on muscleresearch and read all the damn feedback. I have ordered myself from them. And all those sites that you posted have sickly high prices. I dunno who would be stupid enough to use those places, but I guess I do now. http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28

<best fucking prices and I must have ordered from him at least 30x by now. Plus he's a sponsor the anabolicminds board, so you can read there feedback too.

The nice things you do for ungrateful bastards.

hey newb, nobody was attacking you personally. you must be taking clomid now as you are as sensitive as a 13yo girl! :)

[5111]

I spent quite a bit of time on www.anabolicminds.com when I was considering juicing. That site is what actually convinced me not to. There is a lot of good info there and not just about roids. I really like the nutrition section.

I have ordered from Custom Nutrition and from Physical Enhancement without any trouble at all. If they are a board sponsor at www.anabolicminds.com then they are not going to screw you.

If you think about what those sites are selling/encouraging it makes sense why they are registered to no one.

[01WhiteCobra]

If you think about what those sites are selling/encouraging it makes sense why they are registered to no one.


Please. If they were selling anything illegal you don't think the feds wouldn't just hang out at a PO Box and wait for someone to collect their money?

There are certainly reasons to stay anonymous on the internet. Selling something and giving a PO Box and other identifying information kinda screws up the anonomous information.

Hell, I can tell you exactly where this webserver is located using publically available tools.

[dar1us19]

Duh, its a fucking steroid forum, not a mustang board.

Whatever guys, I honestly don't give a fuck. It really isn't worth my time to try to argue something like this. Go ahead, pay $50 fucking bucks for 20-25ml of nolva when you can get 50ml for $25. I couldn't care less how you wasted your money.

[01WhiteCobra]

Duh, its a fucking steroid forum, not a mustang board.

Whatever guys, I honestly don't give a fuck. It really isn't worth my time to try to argue something like this. Go ahead, pay $50 fucking bucks for 20-25ml of nolva when you can get 50ml for $25. I couldn't care less how you wasted your money.

ur kewl

[davbrucas]

Duh, its a fucking steroid forum, not a mustang board.

Whatever guys, I honestly don't give a fuck. It really isn't worth my time to try to argue something like this. Go ahead, pay $50 fucking bucks for 20-25ml of nolva when you can get 50ml for $25. I couldn't care less how you wasted your money.

the only thing that i get at the sites listed are the AIs. nolva and clomid tabs are way too cheap to be paying that much for liquid. arimidex, aromasin and femara tabs are not cheap. the liquid is. now carry your newb ass back to anabolicspermlovers.com or where ever you came from as you are not contributing anything to this board. :o

[01WhiteCobra]

the only thing that i get at the sites listed are the AIs. nolva and clomid tabs are way too cheap to be paying that much for liquid. arimidex, aromasin and femara tabs are not cheap. the liquid is. now carry your newb ass back to anabolicspermlovers.com or where ever you came from as you are not contributing anything to this board. :o

Dave, better watch out. He might display some 'roid rage with all the high-power shit he is taking.

[davbrucas]

Dave, better watch out. He might display some 'roid rage with all the high-power shit he is taking.

yeah.,...i just hate disrespectful newbs that think they know everything. he probably knows quite a bit and could contribute, yet he choses to be a little bitch.