time vs weight gain

[JordonMusser]

Assuming proper eating and working out, what is a reasonable amount to gain per month? I think I need to step up my eating. I went from 2500 cal a day to 3K, but I still gain ~1lb a month. I am scared to eat much more than that, because weight is a major issue (i barely make race weight as it is). so any mass I add needs to be lean(useful) weight.

I started lifting about 8 months ago, and weighed 154, i weight 164 now. 6'2"

I think I need to step up another 250 calories a day.

[94StangFiveO]

Damn, that's not alot. I've gained 10 lbs. so far just in one month. I started being 6'2" and 170 now up to 180.

[96BluOvl]

skinny bastards....

[JordonMusser]

how many calories? 10 in a month, you must be packing on a few extra none lean lbs...

[superlopez]

skinny bastards....Thats what Im sayin.Im 6'1" 245 18% Bf.Goal is 265 14-12%BF in another 5 weeks.


Skinny niggaz yall need AAS, juice is your friend. ;)

[Mr. Smith]

Skinny niggaz, hard work is your friend. ;)



FIXED.

[LTP]

maybe your routine isn't right. you might not have a good routine fit for your goals.

[JordonMusser]

Thats what Im sayin.Im 6'1" 245 18% Bf.Goal is 265 14-12%BF in another 5 weeks.


Skinny niggaz yall need AAS, juice is your friend. ;)


my ultimate goal is 175, but lean as hell. I am guessing if I was as lean as I could(want to) be, I would weight about 160. so that leaves me with 15lbs of lean mass.

I vary my routine a bit, but its 3 days a week, generally 2-3 excerises per target muscle, 4 sets (1 warmup, 3 hard).. with failure coming in about 8 reps. I can sually get 10 the first of my serious sets, but by the 3rd I am failed at 8 for sure.

day1 Shoulder/bi/tri
day2 legs
day3 back/chest

2 days off
then start again. Usually its just those 3 a week, sometimes I can start the cycle again sooner than a full week, just depends on my race schedule.


HELL, if I was a doctor and truely understood how to use juice as safe as possible, probably would do a cycle. Probably would get me to where I need to be. i canNOT weight more than 175. But, i dont know any more than the average internet reader, and I dont want to screw my body up.. I hopefully have many more years I have to be in it! :)

[TRAXX]

skinny bastards....


No kidding :mad:

Whats up Jordon :cool:

[LTP]

your nowhere near ready for roids. besides, they will just screw you up in the long run.

change your leg day and your back/chest day around. this puts your legs right in the middle.

otherwise, you shouldn't hit it so hard three days in a row. try two on, one off, two on, two off.

it's basically the same as what your doing now, but with more rest time.

try it like this and see how it goes, and don't spend any more than an hour working out or you'll easily overtrain.

Day1- Shoulders/Arms
Day 2- Legs
Day3- Off
Day 4- Chest/Back
Day 5- Legs
Day 6 & 7 - Off

Repeat.

Try that routine out if it'll work into your shcedule. I bet you'll stack right up homie.

[JordonMusser]

yea, i corrected my post :-D I meant legs between

[The Big Matt]

Jordon

I'd go with this
Mon: Chest/Tris
Tue: Legs/Shoulders
Wed: Back/Bis

since you are using tris during chest day, it's better to keep them on the same day, same with back/bis

[LTP]

Jordon

I'd go with this
Mon: Chest/Tris
Tue: Legs/Shoulders
Wed: Back/Bis

since you are using tris during chest day, it's better to keep them on the same day, same with back/bis

not necessarily. it depends on your development and the lacking body parts that need the most work. you work your back more than you think on chest day.

besides, you definitely don't want to hit your shoulders and your legs in the same day. you would be working your upper body three days in a row. definitely not a good idea. also, don't work your shoulders the day after chest, you won't make it halfay through the workout.

try the routine i gave you. it'll make you hoss in no time. without being a fat boy.

[LTP]

actually, the best thing to do that I have found is to alternate your arm days.

for six weeks do the routine i gave you, then switch the arm day and the back day and do it like that for six weeks.

the key is to keep your body guessing. goood luck. :)

[The Big Matt]

I wouldn't do chest/back on the same day, nor would I do triceps and biceps on the same day, if growth was what I was looking for.

The only reason I put shoulders/legs on the same day, was that he said he only had three days a week.

You also you more forearm muscles than you'd realize on chest day too. So what.

Jordon, if you want to put on size/strength, do less reps, more weight. 3 sets of 5 after a warmup set.

[LTP]

You also you more forearm muscles than you'd realize on chest day too. So what.


lmfao

yeah, okay man.. whatevers clever.

go buy any bodybuilding book, a reputable one, and I bet you $50 that most of the routines in it combine back and chest on the same day. ;) also, i could have sworn I said to alternate the back and arms days... :cool:

either way, it's still fucking retarded to work upper body three days in a row. especially shoulders right after chest.

[The Big Matt]

ok, so he asks for a three day schedule, and you give hime a 5 day. That works wonders for him i'm sure too.

[LTP]

ok, so he asks for a three day schedule, and you give hime a 5 day. That works wonders for him i'm sure too.

did you read half my post, or what? because I told him:

"Try that routine out if it'll work into your schedule. "


also, i have him a 4 day, not 5. ;) :D

[The Big Matt]

I've done shoulders the day after chest/tris for the past 7 weeks, and i've had ZERO problems lifting heavy the day after chest.

Day 1: Chest/Tris
Day 2: Shoulders
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Back/Bis
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: off
repeat

That's my routine

With 5 days of cardio in there, other than leg day.

[LTP]

I've done shoulders the day after chest/tris for the past 7 weeks, and i've had ZERO problems lifting heavy the day after chest.

Day 1: Chest/Tris
Day 2: Shoulders
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Back/Bis
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: off
repeat

That's my routine

With 5 days of cardio in there, other than leg day.

then you aren't hitting your chest hard enough. :)

whatevers clever though, good luck with your routine.

although, just because you aren't having any problems, doesn't mean you are making maximum progress either. ;)

[The Big Matt]

I do 3 sets of 5, with heavy enough weight that if I can get all 3 sets of five done, i increase weight the next week, so that i can't finish the last set.

Either way i have no problems with shoulders the day after chest, doing presses, shrugs, and lateral raises. The only exercise there, that might slightly use chest would be the presses, shrugs, none, lateral raises, next to none.

[LTP]

I do 3 sets of 5, with heavy enough weight that if I can get all 3 sets of five done, i increase weight the next week, so that i can't finish the last set.

Either way i have no problems with shoulders the day after chest, doing presses, shrugs, and lateral raises. The only exercise there, that might slightly use chest would be the presses, shrugs, none, lateral raises, next to none.

you only do three shoulder exercises?

actually, that's two, shrugs don't count since they are mainly a trap exercise.

but hey, like I said, good luck. :)

[JordonMusser]

*kick* wasup trevor :-D

[PooterWS6]

Ive been working out(regularly) for 3 months now and gained almost 20lbs.

5' 9" went from 155 to 174.

[JordonMusser]

yea, 1-1.5lbs a week is what I expected. Guess I need to ramp up my eating

[The Big Matt]

just eat lean protein, low fat, minimal complex carbs

[PooterWS6]

just eat lean protein, low fat, minimal complex carbs

I found myself eating alot of chicken and ham sandwiches, eggs, etc.
Fruits and veggies too, to round it out.

[94StangFiveO]

how many calories? 10 in a month, you must be packing on a few extra none lean lbs...

I don't know how many calories. I just eat and bust my ass on the weights.

[Sami]

just eat lean protein, low fat, minimal complex carbs
Lots of complex carbs if you want to gain weight. That will ensure that you're not burning the protein for energy but using what body most effectively uses for energy, carbs.

[Philip]

then you aren't hitting your chest hard enough

so how often should you do chest? twice a cycle?

[LTP]

so how often should you do chest? twice a cycle?


no, i was saying to hit the workout harder, not more frequency.

i work my chest especially harder than my other muscles, especially inclines because that is where most chest growth comes from. Everything else will follow. So naturally, after a good chest day, my front delts feel like they are on fire.

But hey< I just give advice based on what works for me, and trying is free.

[Todd]

I read some where that if you are one of those skinny fellaz then you need more rest and to eat more than those that tend to gain more easily. Also you dont have to work otu quite aas often. I would take that to mean in your case to maybe take a few more days off in your routine, maybe to end up in a 7 day rotation instead of 5.

Hope that helps some.

[AL P]

Jordon, if you want to gain weight and don't really care where then you need to focus yourself on power movements. Doing Bench Press is fine for getting stronger but if you want to gain weight and total body strength then you need to do the big movements. IE, deadlifts, squats, power clean, etc... Those movements, done with increasing weights will give you that thickness and size that I think you are looking for. They mainly focus on your back, legs, glutes and shoulders, generally making you thicker. But they are also the easiest way to add weight, since they use most of your body to perform the movement.

[LTP]

Jordon, if you want to gain weight and don't really care where then you need to focus yourself on power movements. Doing Bench Press is fine for getting stronger but if you want to gain weight and total body strength then you need to do the big movements. IE, deadlifts, squats, power clean, etc... Those movements, done with increasing weights will give you that thickness and size that I think you are looking for. They mainly focus on your back, legs, glutes and shoulders, generally making you thicker. But they are also the easiest way to add weight, since they use most of your body to perform the movement.


that sounds like a good idea, for a powerlifter, but that's it. :D

[AL P]

that sounds like a good idea, for a powerlifter, but that's it. :D

Its OK to do heavy weight. Really....

[LTP]

Its OK to do heavy weight. Really....


that's all i do playa, i'm no slouch.

i was just saying that doing all those power squats and shit will just overtrain him and get him hurt unless he is trying to be some powerlifter.

a regular routine will pack on plenty of the mass he is looking for, I'm sure of it. lol

[AL P]

that's all i do playa, i'm no slouch.

i was just saying that doing all those power squats and shit will just overtrain him and get him hurt unless he is trying to be some powerlifter.

a regular routine will pack on plenty of the mass he is looking for, I'm sure of it. lol

All those "power squats and shit" are the best movements in the gym. I have no idea what you mean about getting hurt. I'm starting to doubt your level of "slouchiness".

[LTP]

All those "power squats and shit" are the best movements in the gym. I have no idea what you mean about getting hurt. I'm starting to doubt your level of "slouchiness".


maybe for you they are.

you are more than welcome to come and do a workout or two with me, especially my leg days, we'll see who's slouchin'. I do squats a-plenty, but I was just saying that this kat doesn't sound like he just needs to be doing a bunch of deadlifts and shit.

I see dude's in the gym all the time trying to do their little deadlifts and shit, skinny as hell and not knowing anything about what they are doing. next thing you know, they are rubbing their lower backs wondering "hmmm...how the fuck did that happen? my homie on the internet said that these were great..." :D

lol

also, as far as the "best movements in the gym" are concerned. That's only true for powerlifters. I don't know one guy that competes that does deadlifts. Squats yes, but not deadlifts or powercleans. Too much emphasis on other body parts. A leg day should be a leg day, not a whole body part day. Unless of course your name is Dorian Yates, who does a full body lift every 5 days, even the year he won Mr. Olympia. :eek:

[Sami]

All those "power squats and shit" are the best movements in the gym. I have no idea what you mean about getting hurt. I'm starting to doubt your level of "slouchiness".
Al, a lot of people go to gym and workout on the bench and do biceps, then forget about legs and other "old-fashioned" routines. They are either too complex to do, or don't target the "right" muscles.

LTP, this wasn't directed at you, just a generalization of the current fad (hopefully it is a fad) that has plagued lifting for quite some time. How many times to do you see a guy with decent size upperbody and sticks for legs? Too many times. If you have weak legs, it doesn't matter how much you can bench, you're still weakling.

There are many other lifts that measure overall strength better than bench yet all you hear now is how much can you press. Chest, with its minor importance to overall strength, is getting way too much exposure. It's probably because benchpress is easy to do (lot less technical) than others.

[LTP]

Its OK to do heavy weight. Really....


also, just because you lift heavy, doesn't mean you'll pack on mass. 90% of the "heavy lifters" in the gym don't make any progress because they aren't doing the exercise right and they are swinging the weights around. lol

;)

I see the same people all the time lifting the same heavy weight. They never get any bigger, and they always lift the same amount of weight week after week.

The key is finding that spot between heavy, and correct. :cool: :)


Either way, no matter how you look at it, any one persons views about routines most likely won't work for someone else.

[LTP]

Al, a lot of people go to gym and workout on the bench and do biceps, then forget about legs and other "old-fashioned" routines. They are either too complex to do, or don't target the "right" muscles.

LTP, this wasn't directed at you, just a generalization of the current fad (hopefully it is a fad) that has plagued lifting for quite some time. How many times to do you see a guy with decent size upperbody and sticks for legs? Too many times. If you have weak legs, it doesn't matter how much you can bench, you're still weakling.

There are many other lifts that measure overall strength better than bench yet all you hear now is how much can you press. Chest, with its minor importance to overall strength, is getting way too much exposure. It's probably because benchpress is easy to do (lot less technical) than others.

shit i know exactly what you mean and see it all the time. bodybuilding is my passion, so I really focus on my legs.

i don't know if you guys listen to Russ Martin, but he talked about this a few weeks ago and it was hilarious.

[AL P]

maybe for you they are.

you are more than welcome to come and do a workout or two with me, especially my leg days, we'll see who's slouchin'. I do squats a-plenty, but I was just saying that this kat doesn't sound like he just needs to be doing a bunch of deadlifts and shit.

I see dude's in the gym all the time trying to do their little deadlifts and shit, skinny as hell and not knowing anything about what they are doing. next thing you know, they are rubbing their lower backs wondering "hmmm...how the fuck did that happen? my homie on the internet said that these were great..." :D

lol

also, as far as the "best movements in the gym" are concerned. That's only true for powerlifters. I don't know one guy that competes that does deadlifts. Squats yes, but not deadlifts or powercleans. Too much emphasis on other body parts. A leg day should be a leg day, not a whole body part day. Unless of course your name is Dorian Yates, who does a full body lift every 5 days, even the year he won Mr. Olympia. :eek:

You don't know one guy who competes in what? Bodybuilding???

I'm pretty sure Jordon doesn't want to compete. He said he wants to gain weight. Those movements are the best for doing just that. Just because you don't know any bodybuilders who do them doesn't make them any less effective.

[JordonMusser]

"I'm pretty sure Jordon doesn't want to compete"

AlP would be correct :p

I compete.. behind the wheel of a race car. Driving a formula car and shifter karts is VERY demanding physically, and to be the best prepared I can be.

[mikecobra95]

Been lifting for 2 months again...

I am 6'1" started at 163 lbs. at 8.9% body fat.

NO supplements, Nothing but more food and water.

2 months later..... I am now 174 lbs. same exact body fat:)

I would like to be a bit bigger, so I'll keep working at it. This is all with 3-4 days a week lifting.

[LTP]

You don't know one guy who competes in what? Bodybuilding???

I'm pretty sure Jordon doesn't want to compete. He said he wants to gain weight. Those movements are the best for doing just that. Just because you don't know any bodybuilders who do them doesn't make them any less effective.

what is the biggest goal of any bodybuilder? to gain mass while being lean. :cool:

i never said the guy wants to compete, i was just making a statement about working out in response to yours. :eek:

[AL P]

"I'm pretty sure Jordon doesn't want to compete"

AlP would be correct :p

I compete.. behind the wheel of a race car. Driving a formula car and shifter karts is VERY demanding physically, and to be the best prepared I can be.

If you decide to do what I suggested, take it easy with low weights at first and make sure you get your form right. Increase the weight slowly over a couple of months and you'll gain plenty of weight.

[Sami]

I compete.. behind the wheel of a race car. Driving a formula car and shifter karts is VERY demanding physically, and to be the best prepared I can be.
It is. More about endurance than strength so giving up cardio isn't an option. Now, there needs to be something for your height problem. You need to lose about 5 inches... :p

[AL P]

what is the biggest goal of any bodybuilder? to gain mass while being lean. :cool:

i never said the guy wants to compete, i was just making a statement about working out in response to yours. :eek:

Yes but at the same time maximizing the size of their upper body and legs while minimizing the thickness in their waist.

And that's #1 reason why bodybuilders don't do deadlifts. Deadlifts will build a strong, thick and powerful midsection. If you don't want to compete in a BB show and wanted to gain weight, tell me again why you wouldn't want to do some deadlifts??

[LTP]

It is. More about endurance than strength so giving up cardio isn't an option. Now, there needs to be something for your height problem. You need to lose about 5 inches... :p

i'll take those extra 5" lmao

I am 5'8 and 198, but thank god I am lean as hell or I would look like a tree stump. hahah

[LTP]

Yes but at the same time maximizing the size of their upper body and legs while minimizing the thickness in their waist.

And that's #1 reason why bodybuilders don't do deadlifts. Deadlifts will build a strong, thick and powerful midsection. If you don't want to compete in a BB show and wanted to gain weight, tell me again why you wouldn't want to do some deadlifts??


thickness in the midsection? dude, that is called Budweiser. lmao

:eek:

[AL P]

thickness in the midsection? dude, that is called Budweiser. lmao

:eek:

I hear you, I'm trying to drink my way to a 600 lb. deadlift.

[LTP]

Yes but at the same time maximizing the size of their upper body and legs while minimizing the thickness in their waist.

And that's #1 reason why bodybuilders don't do deadlifts. Deadlifts will build a strong, thick and powerful midsection. If you don't want to compete in a BB show and wanted to gain weight, tell me again why you wouldn't want to do some deadlifts??

i don't get what you mean by building a midsection? you mean abs and lower back? i don't see how much considerable weight can be gained in someones midsection from doing deadlifts. not knocking your theory man, just don't see what you mean.

[LTP]

I hear you, I'm trying to drink my way to a 600 lb. deadlift.

hahahahah...i feel you dude. i have been there. i got a DUI a little over 2 year ago and stopped drinking ever since. No more for me man. I figure I should focus my time and money in other spots, well, let me reprhase that, my WIFE decided that....lol

[AL P]

i don't get what you mean by building a midsection? you mean abs and lower back? i don't see how much considerable weight can be gained in someones midsection from doing deadlifts. not knocking your theory man, just don't see what you mean.

The overall movement makes it easier to gain weight because you can work a lot of muscles with great intensity all at once instead of doing all those different seperate exercises. The bad part (for bodybuilders) is it tends to overdevelop your hip flexors and all the other stuff down by your groin, exactly the stuff you don't really want to be big if you want a tiny waist to give the illusion of more size on your legs and lats.

I wasn't saying that the thick midsection was what put the weight on you. I guess it could put some weight on you but for a bodybuilder it wouldn't be in the right place.

[LTP]

it tends to overdevelop your hip flexors and all the other stuff down by your groin

yeah, i am already cramped for space down there. lmao hahahahah

:D :p :eek:

[The Big Matt]

AL, that's exactly why I don't do those movements, in the gym or really do a leg day.

I was 330 pounds at my heaviest. And I carried that weight around for years and years. My legs, hips, and midsection are big enough as it is. I tend to only focus on above the waist workouts.

I'm down to 270 now, and I still have 25 inch thighs, and 18 inch calves.

[JordonMusser]

back to my orig post...

I stepped up my calorie intake by at least 250.. honestly, I am not sure.. possibly more. I also started logging my protien intake to ensure that I am getting 1lb:1gram, and bam.. in a little over 2 weeks up 2.5 lbs (been to gym 7 times in over that time) with out any apparant fat gain.


:cool:

[Death Store Drop Out]

Your calories are about right,what are you eating thoe,its harder to put on lean muscle then it is the grow big then lean out<---- that is the typical body builder rule right there ,if you look at them in the off season they almost look pregnant,
Day 1 Chest
Day 2 Back
Day 3 arms
Day 4 Shoulders
Day 5 Legs
Day 6&7 rest
You Grow size and muscle at the dinner table and when you sleep not when you lift
How much protien and carbs are you taking in????

[LTP]

[QUOTE=<---- that is the typical body builder rule right there [/QUOTE]


not true.

[LTP]

[QUOTEDay 1 Chest
Day 2 Back
Day 3 arms
Day 4 Shoulders
Day 5 Legs
Day 6&7 rest
QUOTE]


Also, it's not such a good idea to lift five days in a row unless you really want to overtrain and not get any growth.

Especially working your upper body four days in a row. If you are nutty enough to workout five days in a row, you should at least throw legs in the middle of the routine to give your upper body a little rest.

:eek: :D

[The Raven]

its harder to put on lean muscle then it is the grow big then lean out<---- that is the typical body builder rule right there


That depends totally on your goals and your time-frame. Though typically most lifters will tend to add on a little bodyfat when trying to pack on lean mass, it is entirely possible to grow without getting fatter. Most novices can even lean out a little and still get stronger as their body begins to adapt to exercise. The ONLY way to do it though is with a nearly perfect diet and alot of patience.

[5111]

This is what I do
Sun - Back & Bi
Mon - Cardio
Tue - Shoulders & Tri
Wed - Bi's and Cardio
Thurs - Legs
Fri - Cardio
Sat - Chest

I usually do abs on Cardio days.

[LTP]

This is what I do
Sun - Back & Bi
Mon - Cardio
Tue - Shoulders & Tri
Wed - Bi's and Cardio
Thurs - Legs
Fri - Cardio
Sat - Chest

I usually do abs on Cardio days.


thats a great routine. i used to do that routine, but found that my bi's were getting overtrained.

right now i am doing:

Chest/Tri
Legs
Off
Shoulders/Traps
Back/Bi's
Off
Off (maybe, depends on my soreness from my back day)

I almost always do about 10 minutes of light warmup cardio and rotate ab days at the end of every other workout.

Also, every 4 weeks, I switch my trap days and bicep days around. Gotta keep 'em guessing! haha

:eek:

[Death Store Drop Out]

In Actuality It is generally True, Ive Talked with plenty of PRO Body Builders Including Ronnie Coleman And that is how they pack on size...

[LTP]

In Actuality It is generally True, Ive Talked with plenty of PRO Body Builders Including Ronnie Coleman And that is how they pack on size...


whatever. lmao

my brother in law is a cop out there with Mr. O and that isn't his style at all. He keeps a very strict YEAR round diet. I can get plenty of articles if you like.

My favorite bodybuilder is Shawn Ray...I have many bodybuilding books that reference diet and he is adamant about maintaining a strict year round diet.

This is my first year to compete in bodybuilding and it has taken me years of fine tuning my diet to get to where I am. So beleive me, eating like shit will get you nowhere.

Time and patience and persistence is the key. :D

[Death Store Drop Out]

I didnt say eating like shit ,You said that not me,and i have plenty of articals aswell,
In off season Mr.O weighs in at about 335 -345 and in season hes down to about 300-315, atleast that was his weight last season

[LTP]

I didnt say eating like shit ,You said that not me,and i have plenty of articals aswell


then post them :eek:

you said "look like they are pregnant" , i take that as "a shitty diet"

:D



but hey, to each his own. what works for one guy won't work for another. good luck with your diet. :)

[The Raven]

In Actuality It is generally True, Ive Talked with plenty of PRO Body Builders Including Ronnie Coleman And that is how they pack on size...


...and anyone taking thousands of dollars worth of drugs should probably follow their example to the tee. The rest of us will probably want to vary it a little considering that we don't have the size nor the "help" that they do. I don't disagree that bulking that way works, but I have found that (for me at least) the more eficient way to grow is to reign in the calories, up the protein, and minimize fat gain. I've tied it their way and seem to lose way too much lean mass when dieting down like that. Everybody is different.

[Death Store Drop Out]

I will , and you are right what works for one
may not work for another :D
but ive seen ronnie in his off season and he eats twice every day at the black eyed pea on cooper street and has 2 large chicken
breast and 2 large baked potatoes,
thats alot of food and carbs and will give you a gut
Now i may have OVER exagerated with the prego thing :rolleyes:

[LTP]

here is a quote from my favorite bodybuilder Shawn Ray:

"The term bulking up is seldom heard in gyms these days. It refers to the pactice of gaining 20, 30 or more pounds of bodyweight in the off-season. If the body-builder wanted to compete at, say, 200lbs, he would bulk up to 230 or 240. About three months before the contest the excess fat would be dieted off. However, staying lean as you train year round makes it easier to hold onto your gains while you're training and dieting for competition."

again, diets should be adjusted to body type and goals. :D

[01WhiteCobra]

I hear you, I'm trying to drink my way to a 600 lb. deadlift.

You do a 600 lb deadlift everytime your fat ass gets out of bed.

[AL P]

You do a 600 lb deadlift everytime your fat ass gets out of bed.

That's because you weigh 200 lbs., the same as each of my nuts that you are hanging on...

[cobraman93]

just my 2cents, increase to 10 12 reps. 8 reps is more strength building. make sure rep 12 is failure. this should put some size on you.