LS1's rule

[noscrzy1]

ford dont have shit on ls1

[Andrew]

Bitch you don't want none of my ford!

[thelevatorguru]

Chebby envy my friend.
Done. :rolleyes:

[PooterWS6]

lmao stock ls1 :rolleyes:

[4.6 Love]

:rolleyes:

[truestreet5.8]

I'll race your 819rwhp ls-1 also. Just say when! Bring it don't sing it!

[truestreet5.8]

Also how can you have a "stock" stroked motor?

[A BLACK MAN'S COUPE]

Bitch you don't want none of my ford!
what he said :D

[PooterWS6]

Also how can you have a "stock" stroked motor?
Come on, he cut the journals on the crank welded them back on. :rolleyes: :p



Come on noscrzy1, youre making us look bad. :rolleyes:
If you were the white Z from THIS (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=234350) thread, I dont think anyone has anything to worry about.

[Tommy Tutone]

I was able to look at an ls1 in great detail today and, I have come up with why the ls1 motor is so good.

First, I noticed that a set of Ford 302 EFI fuel rails fit the ls1 intake without modifying the injector bosses. This tells me that the intake spacing is the same as a 302. Also, the exhaust ports are in the same location as a SBF because you can just cut off the header flange of a set of 351w headers and weld on the ls1 flange without any other modification. Hmmmm, also notice that gm change the 17 head bolts from the original sbc to only 10 head bolts on the ls1. Yep, same as a Ford 302/351.

In conclusion, gm built a very good/strong running motor. They just copied the SBF almost identically.

I am sick of hearing you ls1 guys talk all your trash. I will be at redline tomorrow. Any of you guys want to race, bring it. Apparantly you can outrun anything in the other lane.

Better yet, at 4:00pm, you can make a shot for low et small block. Should be an easy $100.00 for you almighty SBFls1.

[f0ur sixer]

TT just bitch slapped the LS1ers and said "what you 'gon do?"

[M.O.D.]

*grabs popcorn*

[SSMAN]

Bitch you don't want none of my ford!


Ok Andrew ..............per our last conversation.........I know your running............when you running fast? :D

[noscrzy1]

I was able to look at an ls1 in great detail today and, I have come up with why the ls1 motor is so good.

First, I noticed that a set of Ford 302 EFI fuel rails fit the ls1 intake without modifying the injector bosses. This tells me that the intake spacing is the same as a 302. Also, the exhaust ports are in the same location as a SBF because you can just cut off the header flange of a set of 351w headers and weld on the ls1 flange without any other modification. Hmmmm, also notice that gm change the 17 head bolts from the original sbc to only 10 head bolts on the ls1. Yep, same as a Ford 302/351.

In conclusion, gm built a very good/strong running motor. They just copied the SBF almost identically.

I am sick of hearing you ls1 guys talk all your trash. I will be at redline tomorrow. Any of you guys want to race, bring it. Apparantly you can outrun anything in the other lane.

Better yet, at 4:00pm, you can make a shot for low et small block. Should be an easy $100.00 for you almighty SBFls1.
dont get mad because your pos ford will not make it down the track !!!looks like you or andrew are more jackstand racers than any thing playa dont hate the ls1 because you wish you were as fast as one!!!punk biotch!!

[OrangeChevyII]

Damit Archie :mad: You ruined the almighty Ls1 followers.I hate Ls1's cause everybody who has one thats fast has a big head, smart ass little pricks.

On the other hand I own a Ls1 powered vehicle and it runs good. :D

[Tommy Tutone]

dont get mad because your pos ford will not make it down the track !!!looks like you or andrew are more jackstand racers than any thing playa dont hate the ls1 because you wish you were as fast as one!!!punk biotch!!


Sooooo, does that mean you will run me?


I didn't think so. Who is the "punk bitch" now, Playa? :rolleyes:

[noscrzy1]

Sooooo, does that mean you will run me?


I didn't think so. Who is the "punk bitch" now, Playa? :rolleyes:i will race if your pos will make it to the 60ft mark without blowing up pos ford junk sell that pos and get some real power a cam only ls1 will run what your car runs on the motor biotch :mad:

[turbostang]

I tried to refrain from posting in this thread becuase it will wind up bieng 7987982342 pages long.. but what the hell....

noscrzy1 do you have a running vehicle that you race? or are you one of the internet bench racers that likes to talk smack w/out a running car - much less one that can out run the people that you have talked smack about......

[noscrzy1]

I tried to refrain from posting in this thread becuase it will wind up bieng 7987982342 pages long.. but what the hell....

noscrzy1 do you have a running vehicle that you race? or are you one of the internet bench racers that likes to talk smack w/out a running car - much less one that can out run the people that you have talked smack about......i was out friday night you should have brung that pos so i could put it on your ass on the motor
;)

[87GreenCoupe]

ford dont have shit on ls1
oh shit here we go again...cam only Ls1:rolleyes:

[noscrzy1]

Mabe all your ford dick suckers will bow down to the almighty ls1 slow ass biotches get a clue and drive a chevy

[Tommy Tutone]

i will race if your pos will make it to the 60ft mark without blowing up pos ford junk sell that pos and get some real power a cam only ls1 will run what your car runs on the motor biotch :mad:


Tomorrow??

If all you can do is talk about my cars problems, then you have some issues. We will see how it runs tomorrow. Will you be there?

[turbostang]

i was out friday night you should have brung that pos so i could put it on your ass on the motor
;)

I was there with Truestreet 5.8 - Where were you? He made 6 passes and you weren't anywhere to be found....

[Tommy Tutone]

Mabe all your ford dick suckers will bow down to the almighty ls1 slow ass biotches, get a clue and drive a chevy

Goddamn, you are the most illeterate idiot on this board? Turn your hat around, pull up you fucking pants, run down to Best Buy and pick up a Hooked on Phonics. At least then, we might be able to comprehend what you say...

[Beenfetchedlately]

TT just bitch slapped the LS1ers and said "what you 'gon do?"
Id be lined up next to Tommy but someone didnt have my NOS kit ready today :)

[noscrzy1]

Callin out all you wanna be LS1 KILLAS MEET ME AT REDLINE SUNDAY FOR WHO EVER WANTS TO GET THEIR ASS HANDED TO THEM IT'S TIME FOR THE LS1 TO STEP UP AND SHOW ALL YOU FORD FUCKERS WHAT TIME IT IS BIOTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TILL THEN SHUT TE FUCK UP YOU SLOW ASS COCK SUCKERS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[noscrzy1]

Goddamn, you are the most illeterate idiot on this board? Turn your hat around, pull up you fucking pants, run down to Best Buy and pick up a Hooked on Phonics. At least then, we might be able to comprehend what you say...GET THAT FORD DICK OUT OF YOUR EYE AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I WROTE FAT FUCK !!

[Tommy Tutone]

Callin out all you wanna be LS1 KILLAS MEET ME AT REDLINE SUNDAY FOR WHO EVER WANTS TO GET THEIR ASS HANDED TO THEM IT'S TIME FOR THE LS1 TO STEP UP AND SHOW ALL YOU FORD FUCKERS WHAT TIME IT IS BIOTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TILL THEN SHUT TE FUCK UP YOU SLOW ASS COCK SUCKERS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Fucking retard. I have already called you out. Now what?

[noscrzy1]

Fucking retard. I have already called you out. Now what?WELL THEN SHOW UP YOU PUSSY AND FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LS1 FAGGOT ASS CHUBBIE CHASER

[noscrzy1]

WELL THEN SHOW UP YOU PUSSY AND FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LS1 FAGGOT ASS CHUBBIE CHASERCHIRP....................CHIRP ......................CHIRP....................... ....... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Tommy Tutone]

WELL THEN SHOW UP YOU PUSSY AND FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LS1 FAGGOT ASS CHUBBIE CHASER


Can you get anymore stupid than you already are? I have already stated that I would be there. I even started a thread about it. Are you reading the same thing that I am?

Fucking clown....Should I look for the guy with the fuzzy hair and big red nose driving around in a camaro?

[noscrzy1]

WELL TOMMY 2BONE INYOUR ASS I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD DYNO 819 BUT YOU POS WOULD BLOW A HEAD GASKET ON THE DYNO BIOTCH!!!!!!!!ONLY A LS1 CAN DO THAT CAM ONLY :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ;)

[mustang93]

I drive both a 2000 camed SS and a Stroked stang.. Love them both..... :D

[Tommy Tutone]

WELL TOMMY 2BONE INYOUR ASS I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD DYNO 819 BUT YOU POS WOULD BLOW A HEAD GASKET ON THE DYNO BIOTCH!!!!!!!!ONLY A LS1 CAN DO THAT CAM ONLY :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ;)

I bet you have a mullet, huh? Come on, don't be shy....


Buisness in the front, party in the back.....

[noscrzy1]

Can you get anymore stupid than you already are? I have already stated that I would be there. I even started a thread about it. Are you reading the same thing that I am?

Fucking clown....Should I look for the guy with the fuzzy hair and big red nose driving around in a camaro?YOU JUST LOOK FOR A WHITE SS ON A TRAILER BEING PULLED BY A HUMMER WHITE ALSO FAT ASS FORD COCK LICKER!!!

[Tommy Tutone]

I drive both a 2000 camed SS and a Stroked stang.. Love them both..... :D

So, you have a couple of cars with small block Fords. Sweet! :p

[Tommy Tutone]

YOU JUST LOOK FOR A WHITE SS ON A TRAILER BEING PULLED BY A HUMMER WHITE ALSO FAT ASS FORD COCK LICKER!!!


OK

Can we play some fooseball on the dash while we are in the staging lanes?

[PooterWS6]

I was able to look at an ls1 in great detail today and, I have come up with why the ls1 motor is so good.

First, I noticed that a set of Ford 302 EFI fuel rails fit the ls1 intake without modifying the injector bosses. This tells me that the intake spacing is the same as a 302. Also, the exhaust ports are in the same location as a SBF because you can just cut off the header flange of a set of 351w headers and weld on the ls1 flange without any other modification. Hmmmm, also notice that gm change the 17 head bolts from the original sbc to only 10 head bolts on the ls1. Yep, same as a Ford 302/351.

In conclusion, gm built a very good/strong running motor. They just copied the SBF almost identically.




So because the rails are close, the headers line up and the same number of head bolts, the motors are identical?

Just out of curiosity, do you think E7s flow anywhere near what a 241 casting flows? You did say they were a direct copy.
So your telling me a 302(punched and stroked to a 346, so you dont bitch about cubes) with E7s and a cam will dyno as much? Keep in mind both having their identical heads, since they are the same and all.

Funny you feel the need to boost your ego by picking on the little guy that has other bills to pay other than their race car.
Does it really pump up your ego that much to start shit with an obviously slower car? Do you really feel "special"?
Do you go to the Special Olympics and run with the mentally challenged and when you beat them, rub in their face you are smarter?

I will say that noscrzy1 is a stupid fuck, and am not taking his side in any way, but these are all things Ive noticed in your self gloating posts.

[Futurama]

surely this ls1 guy is fucking around, or someone is fucking around on his screename. no one can be that stupid and type "biotch" so many times and be serious. its just not possible, people that stupid cant be that funny even if its by accident :rolleyes:

[fordracing19]

he be from g town

[Andrew]

dont get mad because your pos ford will not make it down the track !!!looks like you or andrew are more jackstand racers than any thing playa dont hate the ls1 because you wish you were as fast as one!!!punk biotch!!

Dude, I've been faster than you've ever thought of going.

[SVTVenom]

OMFG this guy must be high on crack or meth. TT would blow the doors off that GM plastic fantasic rattle trap and then Andrew would tie that piece of shit to his bumper and still run a 5.xx in the 1/8th. Fucking race someone and beat them before you come and talk shit to the heavy hitters on here dumbass. :rolleyes:

[Saladbar]

Hey Jr.. I'll run ya. right meow :)

[Quick '91 GT]

Callin out all you wanna be LS1 KILLAS MEET ME AT REDLINE SUNDAY FOR WHO EVER WANTS TO GET THEIR ASS HANDED TO THEM IT'S TIME FOR THE LS1 TO STEP UP AND SHOW ALL YOU FORD FUCKERS WHAT TIME IT IS BIOTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TILL THEN SHUT TE FUCK UP YOU SLOW ASS COCK SUCKERS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I don't usually post when FUCKIN IDIOTS get on a thread...but this dude is a fuckin douche! Someone PLEASE bust his ass!!! Hey bitch..if you wanna wait about 2-3 months I got a 460 in the process of getting built. I don't think it will take that long because these boys in here are gonna bust your ASS at redline.

Someone please post the results. Hey ass....here is a challenge for ya....if you get spanked...which you willl....you promise not to post here anymore....and if you do....the moderators agree to delete anything you do post. So that way we don't have to read any bullshit excuses you can come up with.......what does everyone else think about that proposition?

[WhitEGT]

So lets say we take a sbf and make it a 346 and get heads and intake that flow the same and a similar cam. Who is going to make more power?

[Saladbar]

So lets say we take a sbf and make it a 346 and get heads and intake that flow the same and a similar cam. Who is going to make more power?

Do it and see.. What kind of power do HR 347's make? good enough of a comparison.

[PooterWS6]

So lets say we take a sbf and make it a 346 and get heads and intake that flow the same and a similar cam. Who is going to make more power?
He said the motors were a direct copy;)

That means, according to TT that E7s flow the same as 241s.

According to TT the motors are the exact same, so the heads should flow the same, the 241s were directly copied off the all powerful E7s. :rolleyes:

[WhitEGT]

Well what does a mild 347 make? 420+rwhp? I think they would make similar power given similar parts.

[PooterWS6]

Well what does a mild 347 make? 420+rwhp? I think they would make similar power given similar parts.
No the comparison stated by TT that the motors are identical.

So you think a 346 E7, stock intake, rockers, tb sbf with a cam will make lets just say 400rhwp?

[WhitEGT]

I didn't say I agreed with that but they do have their similarities. You could say an advanced sbf?

[PooterWS6]

I didn't say I agreed with that but they do have their similarities. You could say an advanced sbf?
LMFAO!

How so?
Because it has 8 cylinders?
Because the fuel rails are close in length they are the same.
Because the headers are close, they are the same.
10 head bolts, has to be the same.

The similarities are astounding :rolleyes:

[WhitEGT]

I'm not trying to argue, but now you're just being a dick. I was trying to ask a question that someone that might know. I personally have no idea what they would each make with close parts.

[PooterWS6]

I'm not trying to argue, but now you're just being a dick. I was trying to ask a question not get for someone that might know.
Im trying to figure out the reasoning to their being the same exact motor.

[WhitEGT]

Never said they were the same, but I have heard that from others before.

[PooterWS6]

Never said they were the same, but I have heard that from others before.
Beacuse of the rails and headers?

[WhitEGT]

Take a look and read our very own board members thoughts.

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=250270

I personally think the motors are awesome, had a good friend on here that ran 7.30's cam only. I know there's no way in hell a stock 302 with a cam and stall would run that.

[PooterWS6]

Take a look and read our very own board members thoughts.

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=250270

I personally think the motors are awesome, had a good friend on here that ran 7.30's cam only. I know there's no way in hell a stock 302 with a cam and stall would run that.
Who Forrest?
I know Forrest, if you read his posts he makes evident the potenial in the LS1 motor.

I fail to see how the motor is a direct copy or evolution of a sbf.
The ignition system is totally different. Intake design is different
Am I too asume because the exhaust ports are seperated unlike the sbc that it is a ford copy? So any other head that has those characteristics is a copy?

So they 241 or earlier LS1 head casting is a copy of the E7 and there for flows the exact same, right?
Funny I dont see and 347s with E7s, even if I did they wouldnt put 420hp to the ground with a cam.
Since the 241 casting is such a great head, why dont people use E7s more instead of buying Trick Flows or Edlebrocks? The 241 is copied off the E7 apparently. So the heads should perform the same.

[WhitEGT]

Read the whole page, I can't throw out all the technical things like they can. Never once did I say the head is a copy, if I did please point out. SIMILAR IS THE WORD I SAID. If they were a copy the motors would make the same power. And believe me i'm not biased to ford either.

With that being said, I'm gone for the night.

[PooterWS6]

Read the whole page, I can't throw out all the technical things like they can. Never once did I say the head is a copy, if I did please point out. SIMILAR IS THE WORD I SAID.
And the BB chevy head has evenly spaced ports too.
Whats the point?
Many motors are similar.

TTs post said it was copied directly from the sbf.
Why does the 241 flow so much better than the E7?

This is what I am refering to.
They just copied the SBF almost identically.

[WhitEGT]

Then go argue with him. I came in to ask what a sbf with the same parts might make, not get into a pissing contest.

[PooterWS6]

Then go argue with him. I came in to ask what a sbf with the same parts might make, not get into a pissing contest.
Then post up.
Ask a question.
Im here to argue with TT.

[WhitEGT]

Ok, once again, what kind of power would a SBF with SIMILAR parts make? More or less and why?

[PooterWS6]

Ok, once again, what kind of power would a SBF with SIMILAR parts make? More or less and why?
With stock heads, less.
The E7s just dont flow as much.
I will say it will be close though, E7s arent all bad, but if your building a 347 why put stock heads on it?

With a healthy cam/ some decent heads(TFS, EdlePerf, Brodix) you can put up some numbers. Very close to a head cam LS1 too. The motors are pretty well matched for NA purposes.


All my BS was refering to the copy comment by TT, nothing to do with you really.

[Magnimike1]

He said the motors were a direct copy;)

That means, according to TT that E7s flow the same as 241s.

According to TT the motors are the exact same, so the heads should flow the same, the 241s were directly copied off the all powerful E7s. :rolleyes:

He never said they were the same dumbass. It is obvious that that they took a Ford design and implemented some changes. It's newer technology and with that some improvement.

[PooterWS6]

He never said they were the same dumbass. It is obvious that that they took a Ford design and implemented some changes. It's newer technology and with that some improvement.
They just copied the SBF almost identically.


He said it, not me.
Dumbfuck.

[bigcountry_5]

So because the rails are close, the headers line up and the same number of head bolts, the motors are identical?

Just out of curiosity, do you think E7s flow anywhere near what a 241 casting flows? You did say they were a direct copy.
So your telling me a 302(punched and stroked to a 346, so you dont bitch about cubes) with E7s and a cam will dyno as much? Keep in mind both having their identical heads, since they are the same and all.

Funny you feel the need to boost your ego by picking on the little guy that has other bills to pay other than their race car.
Does it really pump up your ego that much to start shit with an obviously slower car? Do you really feel "special"?
Do you go to the Special Olympics and run with the mentally challenged and when you beat them, rub in their face you are smarter?

I will say that noscrzy1 is a stupid fuck, and am not taking his side in any way, but these are all things Ive noticed in your self gloating posts.


I dont even own an LS1, and I completly agree. Do you want to race my top fuel dragster in your street car? :rolleyes: ;)

[Magnimike1]

A very key word would be, uh, let's see here: "almost"?

[PooterWS6]

A very key word would be, uh, let's see here: "almost"?
Hes a big boy, he can talk for himself.

[noscrzy1]

come see tt get his ass handed to him today at redline !!!!!for all you haters lick a dick and get a magic stick !!!!!!cam only fuckassssssssssssssssssss!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[DON SVO]

come see tt get his ass handed to him today at redline !!!!!for all you haters lick a dick and get a magic stick !!!!!!cam only fuckassssssssssssssssssss!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

so, no bottle??? i hope you know you will be getting your ass beat. really. i know for a fact TT makes about 150 WHP less than your Nitrous pass... ON MOTOR. you're fucked!

[OMEGA DOOM]

TT will pound a mudhole in this dude even on motor! :D and can somebody give an exact definition of "cam only" does that mean no stall,gears,exhaust,fuel,programmer,intake,slicks or DR's or any other mods exept a Cam????? :confused:

[Big Thumper]

TT will pound a mudhole in this dude even on motor! :D and can somebody give an exact definition of "cam only" does that mean no stall,gears,exhaust,fuel,programmer,intake,slicks or DR's or any other mods exept a Cam????? :confused:

cam only refers to no ported/aftermarket heads. Everything else in the book is done.

To put it into perspective of just how hard it is to get an ls1 with a cam to run low 7's, I threw a cam in mine and it ran a 7.1 first pass out. Rocket science..lol. With some tuning it should run a .8-.9.

[OMEGA DOOM]

cam only refers to no ported/aftermarket heads. Everything else in the book is done.

To put it into perspective of just how hard it is to get an ls1 with a cam to run low 7's, I threw a cam in mine and it ran a 7.1 first pass out. Rocket science..lol. With some tuning it should run a .8-.9.chevy did do their homework on the LS1 motor and it's heads I will agree on that! :D I wish Ford would have used TFS heads and a 351 as factory stock parts so we could have one hell of a debate! :D although I did run 7.9 with a "cam only" 302! with a crappy dinosaur Bcam :eek:

[grape]

chevrolet did copy ford in the racing department........but I'm guessing that nobody on here has ever had an SB2 intake manifold in there hands........... It will bolt down to yates c3's.

[Nate]

come see tt get his ass handed to him today at redline !!!!!for all you haters lick a dick and get a magic stick !!!!!!cam only fuckassssssssssssssssssss!!!![/SIZE] :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
oooohhh a magic stick....wussy cam.

[DON SVO]

Hes a big boy, he can talk for himself.

well, he's at redline right now, so i doubt he will talk.

the similarities between the SBF and the LS? castings are uncanny. i pretty much consider it the ultimate SBF.

as far as similarites... we are talking about the motor. not the ignition system (since the SBF was designed to run a dizzy) or the intake (totally different applications to make it fit into a different vehicle.) or the headflow. JUST the basic design engineering. you are reading WAY too far into what TT said. he was speaking of the basic structure of the engine, not the accesories designed later by different departments.

and from what little birdies tell me, the LS1 base structure wasn't even designed by Chevy. its a european design chevy damn near perfected.

you can damn near set a LS? head onto a ford block.

the headers from a 351 can be massaged to work without even cutting the flanges.

the rails fit with ease.

bore spacing is eerily identical, as is intake/exhaust runner design.

basically, it is a motor that has ALOT in common with the SBF. comparing head FLOW designs is moot, since that is not an inherent deisgn feature as far as basic engineering is concerned. THAT, along with valve angle and 44 cubes, separates the stock SBF from a stock LS1.

[grape]

An ls1 is also the easiest engine to change cam and not fuck up........What other small blocks come with over 3.5" of stroke. If i remember right the stroke is 3.62 which makes the piston speed an enormous amount higher than a 3" stroke 302. Piston speed creates the velocity and draw on the back side of the intake valve. A fucking retard could make a cam change in any engine with that long of stroke and look like a hero. Yet try to make real hp in N/A form with that long of stroke and try turning it above 9 grand and see what you get......soup. It's physics, anything with that long of stroke will more efficiently pull an intake charge through the same cylinder head placed on a shorter stroke engine. Total peak hp will be the same, but power under the curve will deffinately not be. With a short stroke trying to achieve big hp numbers with lots of rpm......getting the inlet valve opening right with the most possible draw on the valve is a challenge. Look at what 95% of the people who say they are going to time the cams in their motorcycle do (aka short stroke)........fuck up.

[Big Thumper]

An ls1 is also the easiest engine to change cam and not fuck up........What other small blocks come with over 3.5" of stroke. If i remember right the stroke is 3.62 which makes the piston speed an enormous amount higher than a 3" stroke 302. Piston speed creates the velocity and draw on the back side of the intake valve. A fucking retard could make a cam change in any engine with that long of stroke and look like a hero. Yet try to make real hp in N/A form with that long of stroke and try turning it above 9 grand and see what you get......soup. It's physics, anything with that long of stroke will more efficiently pull an intake charge through the same cylinder head placed on a shorter stroke engine. Total peak hp will be the same, but power under the curve will deffinately not be. With a short stroke trying to achieve big hp numbers with lots of rpm......getting the inlet valve opening right with the most possible draw on the valve is a challenge. Look at what 95% of the people who say they are going to time the cams in their motorcycle do (aka short stroke)........fuck up.


It has nothing to do with that....Allah/God has given his blessing on the LS1...that is why it makes the power it does. Divine intervention!

[grape]

It has nothing to do with that....Allah/God has given his blessing on the LS1...that is why it makes the power it does. Divine intervention!


oh yeah, i forgot about that doc :D

you guys at big dan's today?

[Big Thumper]

He might be up there later on tonight. I haven't really talked to him this w/e...work, work, work.

[98DSM]

It has nothing to do with that....Allah/God has given his blessing on the LS1...that is why it makes the power it does. Divine intervention!

I know its old, but anyhow ....

[1fstcpe]

:rolleyes:

[Phillystang]

noscrzy1 was a no show today, big surprise :rolleyes:

[BigShoe]

but I'm guessing that nobody on here has ever had an SB2 intake manifold in there hands...........
i have and, i've also held one of the heads ;)

[Quick '91 GT]

No show? suprise suprise..... ban his ass from this website......

[Danny]

noscrzy1 was a no show today, big surprise :rolleyes:Of course he didn't, he's an LS1 cocksucker. :)

[bluebyyou02]

Of course he didn't, he's an LS1 cocksucker. :)Hey now!
<----BFL

[Danny]

Hey now!
<----BFLI didn't mean they ALL were, just that he IS. :)


Got a guilty conscience, Mike? :D

[PooterWS6]

I didn't mean they ALL were, just that he IS. :)


Got a guilty conscience, Mike? :D
Oh he is!

I like to talk shit but im not going to call out a clearly faster car.

"Hey John Force, lets run em" :rolleyes:


If your going to at least call him out, show up.

[Badass2000gt]

Mabe all your ford dick suckers will bow down to the almighty ls1 slow ass biotches get a clue and drive a chevy
no one want to drive a chevy. they are pos cars, trucks and suv's. I believe they stop making comeros cause ford was out selling them 3 to 1 :rolleyes:

[Saladbar]

no one want to drive a chevy. they are pos cars, trucks and suv's. I believe they stop making comeros cause ford was out selling them 3 to 1 :rolleyes:


darn them comeros! :rolleyes: I want to, and do drive a Chevy. And apparently computers are just as common to the general public as a Mustang is on a street corner. Where are the spelling/grammar police when you need them?!

PS - It was 2:1 that they Camaro/Firebird lineup was being outsold. Even w/ all the Ford recalls... :eek: Ford is doing something right, but building quality cars sure isn't it.

[mikeb]

I'm going to get hammered for saying this..... but hopefully ya'll will hear what i'm saying.

The LS1 is an awesome engine; GM blessed it from the factory with great heads and current engineering. The fact that "cam only" engines (or whatever) can run fast numbers speaks to the engineering that GM put into the engine.

Maybe it's just me..... i'm more impressed with someone taking a lesser combo and making impressive performance numbers, using some brainpower and out of the box thinking. Bsharer's fairmont comes to mind, as does, say, beej's mustang. Both of these cars go faster than they should. Clearly there has been some effort here by both of these guys to take an unlikely combo and make it run.

Yes, a "x" only LS1 is fast and is cool. But given the apparent minimal effort - is it an achievement that a hard core hot rodder should really go around and be proud of? Did such a person really "achieve" something here?

Again, not intending to take anything away from the LS1. But where is the hot rodding?

You guys pushing the envelope with the LS1 - not talking about ya'll :)

[A BLACK MAN'S COUPE]

I'm going to get hammered for saying this..... but hopefully ya'll will hear what i'm saying.

The LS1 is an awesome engine; GM blessed it from the factory with great heads and current engineering. The fact that "cam only" engines (or whatever) can run fast numbers speaks to the engineering that GM put into the engine.

Maybe it's just me..... i'm more impressed with someone taking a lesser combo and making impressive performance numbers, using some brainpower and out of the box thinking. Bsharer's fairmont comes to mind, as does, say, beej's mustang. Both of these cars go faster than they should. Clearly there has been some effort here by both of these guys to take an unlikely combo and make it run.

Yes, a "x" only LS1 is fast and is cool. But given the apparent minimal effort - is it an achievement that a hard core hot rodder should really go around and be proud of? Did such a person really "achieve" something here?

Again, not intending to take anything away from the LS1. But where is the hot rodding?

You guys pushing the envelope with the LS1 - not talking about ya'll :)
what he said :D

[Badass2000gt]

darn them comeros! :rolleyes: I want to, and do drive a Chevy. And apparently computers are just as common to the general public as a Mustang is on a street corner. Where are the spelling/grammar police when you need them?!

PS - It was 2:1 that they Camaro/Firebird lineup was being outsold. Even w/ all the Ford recalls... :eek: Ford is doing something right, but building quality cars sure isn't it.
I'm sorry you must be a english teacher and checks everyone spelling and grammar. I'll try to do better next time. :rolleyes:

[Danny]

I'm sorry you must be a english teacher and checks everyone spelling and grammar. I'll try to do better next time. :rolleyes:Good, because that post sucks. :D

[Saladbar]

I'm sorry you must be a english teacher and checks everyone spelling and grammar. I'll try to do better next time. :rolleyes:


Nope.. Not hardly. But the least you can try to do is at least TRY and sound intelligent if you're going to make an arguement.

Box of chocolates... YUMMAY!

[noscrzy1]

well i went to kennadale instead went went 5.94 on motor will tune for the nos this week mabe tommy toboneinmyass will have his shitbox fixed so he can stop makeing excuses on why it will not make a full pass !!

[PooterWS6]

well i went to kennadale instead went went 5.94 on motor will tune for the nos this week mabe tommy toboneinmyass will have his shitbox fixed so he can stop makeing excuses on why it will not make a full pass !!
Any time slips to post up?

Why would you call him out and not go to the track you called him out to?

[Andrew]

come see tt get his ass handed to him today at redline !!!!!for all you haters lick a dick and get a magic stick !!!!!!cam only fuckassssssssssssssssssss!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You're an idiot.

Why would you call him out for one track and go to another?

Sure this isn't one of Kirk's haters in disguise?

[noscrzy1]

Any time slips to post up?

Why would you call him out and not go to the track you called him out to?will post later he broke his shit box so it would not matter if i showed or not his make one pass break and go home gets a little old sorry for the no show but like i said like it matters playa!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :rolleyes:

[noscrzy1]

You're an idiot.

Why would you call him out for one track and go to another?

Sure this isn't one of Kirk's haters in disguise?
stfu jackstand racer your shit will not out run anything right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :D :mad:

[Andrew]

stfu jackstand racer your shit will not out run anything right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :D :mad:

Give me some time... Pretty soon I'll be making halftrack shutdown passes with a faster ET that you'll be posting...

[Danny]

sorry for the no show but like i said like it matters playa!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :rolleyes:So, you freely admit that you're full of shit? :)

[noscrzy1]

Give me some time... Pretty soon I'll be making halftrack shutdown passes with a faster ET that you'll be posting...excuses thats all you have get that shit hole running then talk dumb fuck :mad: ;) :cool:

[Super Coupe]

Give me some time... Pretty soon I'll be making halftrack shutdown passes with a faster ET that you'll be posting...

Dizam

[Super Coupe]

excuses thats all you have get that shit hole running then talk dumb fuck :mad: ;) :cool:

What does that car run?

[noscrzy1]

So, you freely admit that you're full of shit? :)no just the facts i wll be there when he can get it to make a full pass

[Danny]

no just the facts i wll be there when he can get it to make a full pass
You magically knew he was going to let out at 600'? :confused:

I'm sure you're a great guy and all, but you DID call him out to Redline, and then went somewhere else. That's chickenshit, don't ya think? :)

[noscrzy1]

You magically knew he was going to let out at 600'? :confused:

I'm sure you're a great guy and all, but you DID call him out to Redline, and then went somewhere else. That's chickenshit, don't ya think? :)no

[stevinwayne]

ATTN: NOSCRZY1

you call out someone with your "cam only" LS1 claiming to make 800+ horsepower but yet in your sig it says stroked.

you call out TT to redline THE DAY OF the race and go to K-Dale instead.

You claim to have made a 5.9xx but when asked to see a time slip you say hold on.

I think someone is afraid, or someone is just lying.

either way you're a little bitch with a big mouth

[KJ94GT]

no
Why did you sign up with an alias, 90stang?

[Super Coupe]

No way that car can run with TT's car. What are you thinking? Must have a freaking death wish. And Andrews car. WTF man. You would be better off running his z06. :rolleyes:

[Super Coupe]

If this is a black SS with some wheelie bars I have a video of it running a 6.2 at 112mph.

[PooterWS6]

Why did you sign up with an alias, 90stang?
LMFAO!!!!!


PWND!

IP stunta!

[zcs626]

If this is a black SS with some wheelie bars I have a video of it running a 6.2 at 112mph.
nope he said its a white ss

[stevinwayne]

Why did you sign up with an alias, 90stang?


so does this mean problem solved?

[SLOWVERADO]

there weren't any LS1 cars out at k'dale today running those times...

[Blue99Ws7]

there weren't any LS1 cars out at k'dale today running those times...


sound's like someone is talking out of there ass

[alvarado gt]

there weren't any LS1 cars out at k'dale today running those times...

I was there untill around 9:00 and didnt see anything that fast either.
But I am sure we must have just missed it. :D

[OMEGA DOOM]

will post later he broke his shit box so it would not matter if i showed or not his make one pass break and go home gets a little old sorry for the no show but like i said like it matters playa!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :rolleyes:you do owe him at least a punk out fee? :rolleyes: thats about as chicken shit as callin' him out and not showing at all(like certain other board have done) :rolleyes:

[Nate]

sound's like someone is talking out of there ass
and for once it's not sloverado.

[Blue99Ws7]

and for once it's not sloverado.


LMAO what a clown(the thread starter)

[KJ94GT]

Resurrected!

[mikeb]

I was wondering what happened to this thread LOL......

[Beenfetchedlately]

I'm going to get hammered for saying this..... but hopefully ya'll will hear what i'm saying.

The LS1 is an awesome engine; GM blessed it from the factory with great heads and current engineering. The fact that "cam only" engines (or whatever) can run fast numbers speaks to the engineering that GM put into the engine.

Maybe it's just me..... i'm more impressed with someone taking a lesser combo and making impressive performance numbers, using some brainpower and out of the box thinking. Bsharer's fairmont comes to mind, as does, say, beej's mustang. Both of these cars go faster than they should. Clearly there has been some effort here by both of these guys to take an unlikely combo and make it run.

Yes, a "x" only LS1 is fast and is cool. But given the apparent minimal effort - is it an achievement that a hard core hot rodder should really go around and be proud of? Did such a person really "achieve" something here?

Again, not intending to take anything away from the LS1. But where is the hot rodding?

You guys pushing the envelope with the LS1 - not talking about ya'll :)


So the new cam only record of 10.34 @ 128 isnt impressive...To me its not because its far from a Daily street driven car. when I hear cam only setup I see Daily Driver right after it...

[2tonecpe]

you do owe him at least a punk out fee? :rolleyes: thats about as chicken shit as callin' him out and not showing at all(like certain other board have done) :rolleyes:

Why you gotta talk about Osonoshow like that for?

[04 cobra]

chevrolet did copy ford in the racing department........but I'm guessing that nobody on here has ever had an SB2 intake manifold in there hands........... It will bolt down to yates c3's.
don't you have a boyfriend to tend to? SHUT THE FUCK UP

[mikeb]

So the new cam only record of 10.34 @ 128 isnt impressive...To me its not because its far from a Daily street driven car. when I hear cam only setup I see Daily Driver right after it...

I didn't say that the LS1 itself is not impressive. GM did their homework on this engine, and they did it well. That's why a "x only" LS1 is capable of these feats. GM did the legwork.

Disclaimer: This is MY opinion; yours may vary and that's OK.

I do see a lot of threads where guys seem pretty proud about the minimal amount of work they have done to their LS1. This is what I don't understand - has hot rodding gotten to the point that we now brag about the small amount of work we've actually done to our car, and we expect respect? Where is the innovation? Where is the thinking outside of the box? Where is the hot rodding? Where is the unique "stamp" that the owner has put on his car with his chosen modifications?

You know, I think about that little sunfire at the cruise. It wasn't exactly a 6 second ride, but clearly the guy that owns that car is a hot rodder. It went a heck of a lot faster than most people would have guessed, and of course it had a turbo, intercooler, and slicks on the front. That is hot rodding to me.

Also, bsharer's fairmont - there is a hot rod.

JamesB, Andrew, TT - hot rod owners. All of these vehicles have blood, sweat, time, money, and the owner's personality poured into them.

Lanes crow, John's old wagon - hot rods. Different, unique, and fast.

I do know that there are some pretty exotic LS1 combos coming out, and i'm not talking about those cars at all. I just don't understand the basis of the pride i'm seeing from people who have little personal effort in their cars.

Seriously, am I missing something here?

[93coupett]

I didn't say that the LS1 itself is not impressive. GM did their homework on this engine, and they did it well. That's why a "x only" LS1 is capable of these feats. GM did the legwork.

Disclaimer: This is MY opinion; yours may vary and that's OK.

I do see a lot of threads where guys seem pretty proud about the minimal amount of work they have done to their LS1. This is what I don't understand - has hot rodding gotten to the point that we now brag about the small amount of work we've actually done to our car, and we expect respect? Where is the innovation? Where is the thinking outside of the box? Where is the hot rodding? Where is the unique "stamp" that the owner has put on his car with his chosen modifications?

You know, I think about that little sunfire at the cruise. It wasn't exactly a 6 second ride, but clearly the guy that owns that car is a hot rodder. It went a heck of a lot faster than most people would have guessed, and of course it had a turbo, intercooler, and slicks on the front. That is hot rodding to me.

Also, bsharer's fairmont - there is a hot rod.

JamesB, Andrew, TT - hot rod owners. All of these vehicles have blood, sweat, time, money, and the owner's personality poured into them.

Lanes crow, John's old wagon - hot rods. Different, unique, and fast.

I do know that there are some pretty exotic LS1 combos coming out, and i'm not talking about those cars at all. I just don't understand the basis of the pride i'm seeing from people who have little personal effort in their cars.

Seriously, am I missing something here?


And Adler, the guy w/ the sunfire, is a college student. He has been working on that car for probably 5 years putting everything he could spare into it.

[OMEGA DOOM]

Why you gotta talk about Osonoshow like that for?LOL! I wasn't? I was refering to your other buddy! :D

[4.6 Love]

Why did you sign up with an alias, 90stang?
What? :eek: ....

[Danny]

So tell me, LS1 guys..

Does "cam only" mean that the car can have anything else done to it, but the heads and shortblock are factory spec and the car is N/A?

[Boss Hogg]

So tell me, LS1 guys..

Does "cam only" mean that the car can have anything else done to it, but the heads and shortblock are factory spec and the car is N/A?
Yes

[Lane]

LOL - I can't believe you guys are still replying to noswhatever - it's obvious he's just messing with you guys.

[Saladbar]

I'm a hot rod owner :p .. But my car runs like.. poopy! It's neither fast or quick, but I haven't ever really dedicated it 100% to racing. I still want it to look good on the street, although soon that's all about to change. Once I buy a truck at least.

[SLOWVERADO]

my work truck is for sale saladbar....

[90stang]

Why did you sign up with an alias, 90stang?i found out my brother was on my computer this weekend !!! talking shit so heres his # 817 472 9216 call him to take up any shit talking that happened !!! i bleed ford !!!!!!!!!!!!!fuck those ls1 fags!! that means you to BFL !!! ;)

[slownbmta]

I didn't say that the LS1 itself is not impressive. GM did their homework on this engine, and they did it well. That's why a "x only" LS1 is capable of these feats. GM did the legwork.

Disclaimer: This is MY opinion; yours may vary and that's OK.

I do see a lot of threads where guys seem pretty proud about the minimal amount of work they have done to their LS1. This is what I don't understand - has hot rodding gotten to the point that we now brag about the small amount of work we've actually done to our car, and we expect respect? Where is the innovation? Where is the thinking outside of the box? Where is the hot rodding? Where is the unique "stamp" that the owner has put on his car with his chosen modifications?

You know, I think about that little sunfire at the cruise. It wasn't exactly a 6 second ride, but clearly the guy that owns that car is a hot rodder. It went a heck of a lot faster than most people would have guessed, and of course it had a turbo, intercooler, and slicks on the front. That is hot rodding to me.

Also, bsharer's fairmont - there is a hot rod.

JamesB, Andrew, TT - hot rod owners. All of these vehicles have blood, sweat, time, money, and the owner's personality poured into them.

Lanes crow, John's old wagon - hot rods. Different, unique, and fast.

I do know that there are some pretty exotic LS1 combos coming out, and i'm not talking about those cars at all. I just don't understand the basis of the pride i'm seeing from people who have little personal effort in their cars.

Seriously, am I missing something here?


You chose the powerplant, dont be mad because its so easy to go fast with one.

[Saladbar]

my work truck is for sale saladbar....


I'm going to buy a diesel... Better fuel mileage all around. Thanks for the offer though.

[Beenfetchedlately]

i found out my brother was on my computer this weekend !!! talking shit so heres his # 817 472 9216 call him to take up any shit talking that happened !!! i bleed ford !!!!!!!!!!!!!fuck those ls1 fags!! that means you to BFL !!! ;)

LOL sounds like something clint would pull..haha

tell him good game on that one!

Mike

[grape]

don't you have a boyfriend to tend to? SHUT THE FUCK UP

no I'm single, lucky for you. You did look sexy riding bitch on that golf cart at the spring cruise though.

[mikeb]

You chose the powerplant, dont be mad because its so easy to go fast with one.

Sigh....... another non-reader :rolleyes:

<--not mad

Yes, it is easy to go fast with one; i'm not disputing that at all.

I'm much more impressed with a hot rodder that did not take the "easy" way to go fast. Like the guys I listed - a couple of them even running LS1s - but they put in a lot of thought, planning, time, work, and money to make it happen. These efforts are to be respected.

I see a lot of people being proud of what seem to be minimal efforts (such as yourself), and this is what I don't understand. Where is the evidence of the amount of effort needed to earn......... respect......... from among fellow hot rodders?

You guys with rad LS1s - i'm not talking about you.

[NDSP]

You chose the powerplant, dont be mad because its so easy to go fast with one.
He didn't say anything about being mad. He simply fails to see what these 'cam only' LS1 owners are so damn proud about. when by there own admission, they did next to nothing to get there. And he is absolutely right.

[PooterWS6]

Sigh....... another non-reader :rolleyes:

<--not mad

Yes, it is easy to go fast with one; i'm not disputing that at all.

I'm much more impressed with a hot rodder that did not take the "easy" way to go fast. Like the guys I listed - a couple of them even running LS1s - but they put in a lot of thought, planning, time, work, and money to make it happen. These efforts are to be respected.

I see a lot of people being proud of what seem to be minimal efforts (such as yourself), and this is what I don't understand. Where is the evidence of the amount of effort needed to earn......... respect......... from among fellow hot rodders?

You guys with rad LS1s - i'm not talking about you.

<-LS1 owner

And I know what your trying to say
I do agree, its easier to get power out of an LS1 then many other motors.
Reason I chose it is I dont really have the time/money to mess with differnt combos, and Im happy with its potential.

I also agree it does take craftsmanship to make some motors fast, and give mad props to guys building different setups from the norm and bustin ass! :cool:

Thats what is in store for my nova, not a typical sbc or LS1. ;)

[Beenfetchedlately]

Sigh....... another non-reader :rolleyes:

<--not mad

Yes, it is easy to go fast with one; i'm not disputing that at all.

I'm much more impressed with a hot rodder that did not take the "easy" way to go fast. Like the guys I listed - a couple of them even running LS1s - but they put in a lot of thought, planning, time, work, and money to make it happen. These efforts are to be respected.

I see a lot of people being proud of what seem to be minimal efforts (such as yourself), and this is what I don't understand. Where is the evidence of the amount of effort needed to earn......... respect......... from among fellow hot rodders?

You guys with rad LS1s - i'm not talking about you.
Theres not another car that runs like mine does for the mods involved...Now it has taken mucho time to further tweak the combo though.......With some help of some friends we rebuilt the motor, and the only real thing left from GM is the shell truthfull that hasnt been touched. Im confused?

[BigShoe]

no I'm single, lucky for you. You did look sexy riding bitch on that golf cart at the spring cruise though.
he was not at the cruise

[93coupett]

<-LS1 owner

And I know what your trying to say
I do agree, its easier to get power out of an LS1 then many other motors.
Reason I chose it is I dont really have the time/money to mess with differnt combos, and Im happy with its potential.

I also agree it does take craftsmanship to make some motors fast, and give mad props to guys building different setups from the norm and bustin ass! :cool:

Thats what is in store for my nova, not a typical sbc or LS1. ;)

I use to be an LS1 owner and they make crazy power stock. I admit they are great motors and are very easy to make fast. In the early 90's the 302 was the equivalent to what the ls1 is today. Some peoe have combos/ cars that have alot of time, money, and work put into them. Personally a "cam only" Ls1 is not heavy hot rodding but where do you draw the line? What we do is far from what guys that build cars for say the autorama type events. They probably think what we do is minimal. Bottom line is every mod an owner does is hot rodding/perzonalizing to them. The ls1 just happens to be easy to mod. I just wish ford would not have gone the mod. route. If they had not, we may have new mustangs w/ the same ease of modification.

[PooterWS6]

I use to be an LS1 owner and they make crazy power stock. I admit they are great motors and are very easy to make fast. In the early 90's the 302 was the equivalent to what the ls1 is today. Some peoe have combos/ cars that have alot of time, money, and work put into them. Personally a "cam only" Ls1 is not heavy hot rodding but where do you draw the line? What we do is far from what guys that build cars for say the autorama type events. They probably think what we do is minimal. Bottom line is every mod an owner does is hot rodding/perzonalizing to them. The ls1 just happens to be easy to mod. I just wish ford would not have gone the mod. route. If they had not, we may have new mustangs w/ the same ease of modification.
True.
Im kinda dissappointed in the modulars, they have so much potential FI, but NA, unless you really dive into them, they just dont do all that well.

Really with any car, how much money you have and time really draws the line at where you stop modding. With the cost of the LS1based cars being more, if you pay for it yourself(unlike some of the lil parent funded bitches), you dont have much money for mods, as well as parts costing more for the newer cars. The market as a whole for aftermarket parts isnt what it is for the 5.0 or SBC, they have been around a lot longer for parts/companies to develop.

Really as you said, to each their own, if your mods make you happy then good.
There will always be someone faster than you, it gives you the motivation to be faster, if you are the fastset, it gives you motivation to stay the fastest;)

[mikeb]

Theres not another car that runs like mine does for the mods involved...Now it has taken mucho time to further tweak the combo though.......With some help of some friends we rebuilt the motor, and the only real thing left from GM is the shell truthfull that hasnt been touched. Im confused?

You are not one of the guys i'm talking about. Clearly, you've got LS1 grease under your fingernails :D


<-LS1 owner

And I know what your trying to say
I do agree, its easier to get power out of an LS1 then many other motors.
Reason I chose it is I dont really have the time/money to mess with differnt combos, and Im happy with its potential.

I also agree it does take craftsmanship to make some motors fast, and give mad props to guys building different setups from the norm and bustin ass!

Thats what is in store for my nova, not a typical sbc or LS1.


Thank you :)

[SUX2BU]

This thread is gay.

[SUX2BU]

You guys act like the 302 hasn't been done to death. Or like the 03' Cobra's are shit cause they already come with fordged internals and a blower. i don't care what you got (as long as its RWD or AWD), if you like going fast and making it faster your alright with me.

[TOMMY]

LOL - I can't believe you guys are still replying to noswhatever - it's obvious he's just messing with you guys.


I know what you mean. :rolleyes:

[Beenfetchedlately]

You are not one of the guys i'm talking about. Clearly, you've got LS1 grease under your fingernails :D





Actually I do...ahhaahh..More like Mickey T rubber under them. I was cleaning the car at a buddies house yesterday and I hate caked on rubber...But you gotta get it off somehow. lol

Mike

[04 cobra]

no I'm single, lucky for you. You did look sexy riding bitch on that golf cart at the spring cruise though.
Wasn't at the cruise you bitch!!

[grape]

Wasn't at the cruise you bitch!!

I must have you mistaken for another joe... :o

[gearhead78]

You guys act like the 302 hasn't been done to death. Or like the 03' Cobra's are shit cause they already come with fordged internals and a blower. i don't care what you got (as long as its RWD or AWD), if you like going fast and making it faster your alright with me.

Couldn't have said it better. I've owned BBC, SBC, BOP, LT1, LS1. Never owned a SBF or Mopar but helped friends in the past with them. They are all cool in my book. I can appeciate a well built RWD car no matter what it is. We all have the same common goal. Going faster, looking better, handling better. Who the fuck cares! Different people do it different ways.
thats my .02 for the day

[slownbmta]

Sigh....... another non-reader :rolleyes:

<--not mad

Yes, it is easy to go fast with one; i'm not disputing that at all.

I'm much more impressed with a hot rodder that did not take the "easy" way to go fast. Like the guys I listed - a couple of them even running LS1s - but they put in a lot of thought, planning, time, work, and money to make it happen. These efforts are to be respected.

I see a lot of people being proud of what seem to be minimal efforts (such as yourself), and this is what I don't understand. Where is the evidence of the amount of effort needed to earn......... respect......... from among fellow hot rodders?

You guys with rad LS1s - i'm not talking about you.

I worked hard and did a lot of different things to my ta besides a cam, go buy a stock ls1 and put a cam in it and it will still be slow. A motor is a motor and requires the same stuff no matter what it is. i'm sure youve changed all the same stuff on your old firebird as i did on my 98. I changed everything from front to back. Different motor (rebuilt), different tranny, suspension, changed rear end, every bolt on mod immaginable. If that is minimal effort to you then you havent done it then. I guess i need to primer a fender or two and sand some of the metal down so i have rust to fix on my "hot rod" and then bust your ass for you to be a believer :mad: BTW, my screename used to be slowpony and it got deleted for some reason :confused: , so its not like im just some newbie talking shit

<--- sold my TA, so this is not a callout ;)

[mikeb]

I worked hard and did a lot of different things to my ta besides a cam

My post does not apply to you then. It applies to the people who do a small amount of work on their car and then brag about the minimal effort they have expended. I don't understand where the achievement is in this.

[bigcountry_5]

I worked hard and did a lot of different things to my ta besides a cam, go buy a stock ls1 and put a cam in it and it will still be slow. A motor is a motor and requires the same stuff no matter what it is. i'm sure youve changed all the same stuff on your old firebird as i did on my 98. I changed everything from front to back. Different motor (rebuilt), different tranny, suspension, changed rear end, every bolt on mod immaginable. If that is minimal effort to you then you havent done it then. I guess i need to primer a fender or two and sand some of the metal down so i have rust to fix on my "hot rod" and then bust your ass for you to be a believer :mad: BTW, my screename used to be slowpony and it got deleted for some reason :confused: , so its not like im just some newbie talking shit

<--- sold my TA, so this is not a callout ;)


Shudup!! You sat on the cell phone all the time while we did the dirty work. :p :D ;)

[mikeb]

If that is minimal effort to you then you havent done it then.

The only factory original parts left over from my original powertrain are my bellhousing bolts. I've done it :)

[Danny]

I guess i need to primer a fender or two and sand some of the metal down so i have rust to fix on my "hot rod" and then bust your ass for you to be a believer :mad: Last I checked, plastic doesn't rust. :rolleyes:

You LS1 guys sure are sensitive about the "how fast versus effort extended" talk. :confused: You started with a good platform, so good for you. :) There isn't another widely produced platform that makes as much power stock, or has the potential of the LS1. If you don't mind riding around in an uncomfortable rattletrap, then there's really no better way to go fast. ;)

[mikeb]

Last I checked, plastic doesn't rust. :rolleyes:

You LS1 guys sure are sensitive about the "how fast versus effort extended" talk. :confused: You started with a good platform, so good for you. :) There isn't another widely produced platform that makes as much power stock, or has the potential of the LS1. If you don't mind riding around in an uncomfortable rattletrap, then there's really no better way to go fast. ;)

I thought it was an interesting conversation.

Since I stirred the pot a little :) here's something that'll make ya'll feel better :D

MikeB getting beat down by a LS1 (1mb file) (http://home.earthlink.net/~mvburress/MikeB2.wmv)

[Danny]

Phoenix383 deleted a couple of posts. :)

I was gonna give him hell for the "Chevrolet had an evenly spaced exhaust port design before the SBF was on the drawing board" comment. :)

Not as a V8...

[Boss Hogg]

If you don't mind riding around in an uncomfortable rattletrap, then there's really no better way to go fast. ;)
Danny, you drive a Ford Ranger. Don't be a snob.

[Danny]

Danny, you drive a Ford Ranger. Don't be a snob.Yeah, but my t-tops and hatch don't rattle. :)

YES you need to go back to David Z28 you dork.

[Andrew]

I'm so glad... I bought my LS6.
I'm so glaaaad that I bought my LS6.
I'm... so damn glad... that I bought my LS6.


LS1's rule and everyone else is the fool!

[PooterWS6]

Yeah, but my t-tops and hatch don't rattle. :)

YES you need to go back to David Z28 you dork.
Mine doesnt rattle at all ;)

Only thing that shakes is the rear view mirror, but thats beacuse of the flux capacitor being off. :cool:
Guess I lucked out on mine, I know plenty that rattle, doesnt bother me though, cant hear it anyway if it did:p

[Beenfetchedlately]

Last I checked, plastic doesn't rust. :rolleyes:

You LS1 guys sure are sensitive about the "how fast versus effort extended" talk. :confused: You started with a good platform, so good for you. :) There isn't another widely produced platform that makes as much power stock, or has the potential of the LS1. If you don't mind riding around in an uncomfortable rattletrap, then there's really no better way to go fast. ;)

Mustangs rattle far more then my hoop ride...Ive rode in some pretty tore up Cobras...My F-body still has yet to rattle...Now suspsension rattle, different story. Spherical rod ends are supposed to be noisy..lol

Mike

[JamesB]

My mustang rattles like a s.o.b., but it also rattles pictures off walls in my house :D

[Danny]

Mustangs rattle far more then my hoop ride...I agree with that.

Isn't your Formula a hardtop though?