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davbrucas
03-16-2005, 07:19 PM
i see a bunch of people interested in clenbuterol so i will post this info....

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 5-8 tablets per day for men and 1-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with GNC potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taken at the first signs of a headache. You may need to take double the recommended dose.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet. Keto diet do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although some people find ECA stacks harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation before a workout for an extra kick, although its diuretic effects may shift electrolyte balance. Drink more water if you use Caffeine.

What else do I need to know?

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day.

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100mcg
Day14: 80mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water: 1.5-2 gallons a day.

All brands are not equal when it comes to Clen, different brands will yield different results.

5.0LiterRiceEater
03-16-2005, 07:59 PM
let me ask you this, if i got it in the liquid form. how would i take it w/ out injection? just oral as long as its mesured in mcg?

davbrucas
03-16-2005, 08:05 PM
yep....1ml = 1cc = 200mcg

so you would need to get some 1cc insulin syringes. start at 0.25cc per day and work your way up...just drink it or put it in some OJ or something. you can get the insulin syringe here...the needle is fixed to the syringe, but this shouldnt matter...

http://gpzservices.easystorecreator.com/Browse_Item_Details.asp/Item_ID/39/categ_id/14/parent_ids/0,1,14/Name/29_G_X_12#8243;_1CC__Syringe_with_Needle_(Insulin)

davbrucas
03-16-2005, 08:06 PM
or you can go here and get the 20mcg tabs...

www.1000med.com

they take at least 2wks to get to you though...

5.0LiterRiceEater
03-16-2005, 08:14 PM
yea i allready got the liquid so i'll do the 1cc insulin syringes at 0.25cc oral. thanks agian..

KevinH78
03-16-2005, 09:09 PM
or you can go here and get the 20mcg tabs...

www.1000med.com

they take at least 2wks to get to you though...

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92Teal
03-17-2005, 08:38 AM
What's good for cut and building muscles? Would stanazolol be good?

davbrucas
03-17-2005, 09:28 AM
What's good for cut and building muscles? Would stanazolol be good?

winstrol (stanazolol) works great at cutting, but you will need to get your body fat % down to 10% or less to notice any real changes. a good cutting cycle would be as follows...

test enanthate 500mg/wk wk1-10
equipoise 400mg/wk wk1-10
winstrol 50mg everyday wk7-12
clen/T3 wk7-12
arimidex 0.5mg eod wk1-12

PCT start 10days after last injection....
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks along with nolvadex 20mg everyday, then stop the HCG and continue nolva for another 2-3wks. continue the arimidex thru then end of PCT but start using it every day starting wk13.

you will mix 1cc of the test enan and 1cc of the equipoise in the same syringe and inject this every M&Th for 10wks. you will gain 10-15lbs of lean body mass with some nice definition and vascularity. if you are a fatass now, you will definitely need to do some lifestyle changes and lose some wt before starting a cycle of any kind. if you do not follow a low fat, low carb, high protein diet you will gain a lot more fat. the above is a complete cycle with no shortcuts. if you are going to do something like this, then do it right. your body will thank you.

davbrucas
03-17-2005, 10:45 AM
if you need help with injections then go here...

www.spotinjections.com

KevinH78
03-17-2005, 07:00 PM
if you need help with injections then go here...

www.spotinjections.com

That's the best "how-to" site I've seen. :)

ispy_malik
03-17-2005, 09:40 PM
couple of questions

"the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks"

no more than 12 weeks? of actual cycling?
and after 12 weeks, you got to stop for good?



"Because it causes a great deal of receptor downgrade it should not be used continually. "

receptor downgrade!? which ones? irreversable?

seems pretty intresting, but i'm staying natural

davbrucas
03-18-2005, 09:25 AM
couple of questions

"the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks"

no more than 12 weeks? of actual cycling?
and after 12 weeks, you got to stop for good?



"Because it causes a great deal of receptor downgrade it should not be used continually. "

receptor downgrade!? which ones? irreversable?
seems pretty intresting, but i'm staying natural

you can cycle it 2wks on 2wks off up to 12wks. then you need some of time to allow your beta receptors to upregulate. not irreversible. if taken with T3 the receptor downregulation doesnt happen since the T3 will upregulate beta receptors.