Want to lose a couple of pounds

[Roliath]

My goal is to get where I was about a year ago @ 175, i'm @ 190 right now. Should I mostly do Cardio? and are there any supplements I can take to help see results faster? I tried Hydrocut before they took out the ephendrine (sp), and I saw results fairly quickly combined with running 2 miles everyday, and lifting 3 times a week.
I am already on a low carb diet, and I'm going to start jogging everyday now.
what would you recommend for me to do to lose 15 lbs?
thanks in advance!

[davbrucas]

cardio plus you need to cut down on carbs. i lost 10lbs in a month by changing from coke to diet coke. if you are serious about losing the weight you really need to get a hold of your diet. dont tell me that your diet is good...if it was you wouldnt be 15lbs overweight. :) here is a site for some good lipolytics. get the UFR kit. pricey, but well worth it.

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[ls1eater]

Clenbuterol :D

[RiSk]

throw the computer away :p

[davbrucas]

Clenbuterol :D


yes, clenbuterol along with T3 works great, but you must know how to use the T3...if you use clen alone then only take it for 2wks at a time as it downregulates beta receptors after that and you lose the fat burning effect...if used with T3 you can run it for extended periods since the T3 will upregulate the beta receptors...if you do use clenbuterol, you must get some taurine and potassium supplements or you will get cramps...also, 1.5-2 gal of water per day is a must. for clen, you should start at 20mcg per day and titrate up until you cannot stand the shakes...take as much as you can tolerate. with the T3, start low and taper up slow to a max of 75-100mcg per day....the MOST IMPORTANT thing is you MUST taper very slowly off this as you need time for your natural thyroid levels to get back to normal...

[Roliath]

I just finished my BIS project thank god!

Well, my has gone to shit in the past two months, I'm very dedicated in losing the weight, and my diet will change for the better. Is there anything I can get from like a local GNC store (I have a gift certificate from my b-day)? thanks for the help, and I have already cut soda from my diet.

[ls1eater]

cutting out soda and fried foods is a good start, also try eating on a schedule so your body knows when the food is comming, also dont eat past 6 or 7 at night.

[superlopez]

yes, clenbuterol along with T3 works great, but you must know how to use the T3...if you use clen alone then only take it for 2wks at a time as it downregulates beta receptors after that and you lose the fat burning effect...if used with T3 you can run it for extended periods since the T3 will upregulate the beta receptors...if you do use clenbuterol, you must get some taurine and potassium supplements or you will get cramps...also, 1.5-2 gal of water per day is a must. for clen, you should start at 20mcg per day and titrate up until you cannot stand the shakes...take as much as you can tolerate. with the T3, start low and taper up slow to a max of 75-100mcg per day....the MOST IMPORTANT thing is you MUST taper very slowly off this as you need time for your natural thyroid levels to get back to normal...

I have been using Clen for four weeks at 60mg ed.I did not see any results for the first two weeks.All the research I have done says four and five week runs
are being used.I am stopping in a couple more days (four weeks) just to stay
in between.

<Scared of the T3

[1BAD2K]

lots of cardio. ZERO fast food :D

[Cooter]

you can do it with diet alone...

think about that for a minute...

mix in exercise with a good diet, and it'll happen much quicker.

mix exercise with a bad diet, and it might not happen!

[GRAYHORSE]

you can do it with diet alone...

think about that for a minute...

mix in exercise with a good diet, and it'll happen much quicker.

mix exercise with a bad diet, and it might not happen!


I think it would be better to exercise with a bad diet than
not exercise with a good diet.

[LTP]

I think it would be better to exercise with a bad diet than
not exercise with a good diet.


i think it would depend on a persons metabolism.\

just go on the Subway diet like that fat bastard Jared! hahahhaha

i swear, his sammiches came with a bag of crack instead of chips. lmao

[Cooter]

I think it would be better to exercise with a bad diet than
not exercise with a good diet.

my point is that diet is important... you can do tons of cardio, but if you eat like shit, you're not going to lose weight that fast...

he CAN drop 15lbs w/ just diet, but it'll take a while...

your best bet is exercise mixed with a good diet. not "pre-competition perfection" diet, but just a good diet without a bunch of empty calories, late night carbs, etc. it'll come off pretty quick that way.

weight training is your friend. muscle burns calories, and if you keep up the pace on your lifting, it'll "act" sorta like cardio without the boredom :p

Forrest

[davbrucas]

I have been using Clen for four weeks at 60mg ed.I did not see any results for the first two weeks.All the research I have done says four and five week runs
are being used.I am stopping in a couple more days (four weeks) just to stay
in between.

<Scared of the T3

nope...clen down-regulates the beta receptors to a point where it is no longer effective by day 18. anything beyond that and you are not seeing results from the clen. trust me on this one. i have read the studies. now it you use it with T3 you can run it for 6 or more weeks...you should titrate the dose up to about 100mcg per day or more depending what you can tolerate. 60mcg wont do much for the average male...that is a good female dose...

[Roliath]

cutting out soda and fried foods is a good start, also try eating on a schedule so your body knows when the food is comming, also dont eat past 6 or 7 at night.
Done, I've been doing that for the last week.
I'm planning on going jogging tonight, weather permitting.

And I do crunches, push ups, jumping jacks, jump rope, combined with light lifting.

night before I take a shower to go to sleep.

[TonyMCev]

colon blow...

[superlopez]

nope...clen down-regulates the beta receptors to a point where it is no longer effective by day 18. anything beyond that and you are not seeing results from the clen. trust me on this one. i have read the studies. now it you use it with T3 you can run it for 6 or more weeks...you should titrate the dose up to about 100mcg per day or more depending what you can tolerate. 60mcg wont do much for the average male...that is a good female dose...

Have you ate these little fuckers.60 got me bouncin off the walls all day long.
I don't take them on the weekends, so maybe thats keeping them effective.

[5111]

Have you ate these little fuckers.60 got me bouncin off the walls all day long.
I don't take them on the weekends, so maybe thats keeping them effective.
This may sound stupid, but make sure that you are actually doing the conversions correctly. I purchased clen from a different source than I usually do one time. It was twice as potent, but like a dumbass I didn't notice. I took double my normal dose on the first day and was feeling the same as you. Since then I have been more careful.

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

I have stubborn fat around my midsection. I eat right, i.e.: no fast food or cokes or even starches, will Clenbuterol help that out and can u get it a GNC? I have a GNC on base and I don’t pay taxes on items.

[5111]

I have stubborn fat around my midsection. I eat right, i.e.: no fast food or cokes or even starches, will Clenbuterol help that out and can u get it a GNC? I have a GNC on base and I don’t pay taxes on items.
No, you can not get it at GNC. It is a "research chemical" and is "not for human consumption".

[superlopez]

This may sound stupid, but make sure that you are actually doing the conversions correctly. I purchased clen from a different source than I usually do one time. It was twice as potent, but like a dumbass I didn't notice. I took double my normal dose on the first day and was feeling the same as you. Since then I have been more careful.

No there 20 mcg and i take three a day.

How long do you cycle on and off for? I think in a couple of weeks I will start over and just try two week stints.

On a side not I'm diggin this D-bol.Ohh its 3 I need to eat one. :eek:

[davbrucas]

clen will still give you the shakes but its lipolytic effect is gone at 18days. you should cycle it 2wks on 2wks off. if you take it with T3 then you can take it longer. you should try some thermorexin on the off weeks. get it here....awesome fat burner. start at 2 per day and work your way up to 4-5. dont take this or clen after 4pm.
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[5111]

How long do you cycle on and off for? I think in a couple of weeks I will start over and just try two week stints.
I have tried two different cycles:
40, 40, 40, 60, 60, 60, 80, 80, 80, 100, 100, 100, 80, 80, 80, 60, 60, 60, 40, 40, 40 for a total of 21 days. and then off for three weeks.

40, 60, 80, 100, 120 x 10 for a total of 14 days. Then off for two weeks.

Truthfully, I did not see too much of a difference, but for me clen does not seem to be too effective unless I am doing tons of cardio with it. My wife on the other hand sees great results with it.

I have never used T3. I'm considering trying an ECA stack.

[davbrucas]

ECA works well....but if you can get some DNP this will the most effective fat burner...but it does have its side effects...the T3/clen - thermorexin rotation will work great. or ECA...you dont have to taper the clen each time. you only taper it up the first time to see what you can tolerate. after that, just start at the previous max dose...

[01WhiteCobra]

ECA works well....but if you can get some DNP this will the most effective fat burner...but it does have its side effects...the T3/clen - thermorexin rotation will work great. or ECA...you dont have to taper the clen each time. you only taper it up the first time to see what you can tolerate. after that, just start at the previous max dose...

I'm sure you have a scalpel and a wet/dry vac that will help this guy out. Forgot that medical mumbo jumbo.

[davbrucas]

I'm sure you have a scalpel and a wet/dry vac that will help this guy out. Forgot that medical mumbo jumbo.


heck yes...redneck liposuction! :D

[5111]

ECA works well....but if you can get some DNP this will the most effective fat burner...but it does have its side effects...the T3/clen - thermorexin rotation will work great. or ECA...you dont have to taper the clen each time. you only taper it up the first time to see what you can tolerate. after that, just start at the previous max dose...
What is DNP? This one is new to me. How do you take it and where do you get it?

[davbrucas]

it is pretty dangerous if used improperly. (cut and pasted from another website)

Boasting an astounding 50% increase in metabolic rate, DNP is the most effective fat burner that bodybuilders are using today. For comparison purposes, the ECA stack, which is also a highly effective fat loss tool, produces only a 3% increase in metabolic rate. Athletes reporting fat losses of 10-12 pounds in only 8 days of use have further added to the DNP mystique. However, DNP is also the deadliest substance used in bodybuilding today - so deadly, that it has been implicated in the death of several athletes.

DNP or 2,4-Dinitrophenol, is an industrial chemical with various applications such as making dyes, wood preservatives, explosives, insect control substances, other chemicals, and as a photographic developer. Sold under several trade names, including Caswell No. 392, Sulfo Black B, and Nitro Kleenup, DNP has recently gained steady popularity as a fat loss tool.

DNP was used in diet pills in the 1930s, but was banned for this use in 1938. Classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation," medically, DNP is quite dangerous. You see, the body has no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with DNP's use.

The following article combines several theories to form what is perhaps the single best way to cycle DNP for maximum fat-loss benefits. As I mentioned earlier, DNP can be deadly and I would never use it myself nor would I ever recommend that anyone ingest it. The casual use of DNP for dieting is ridiculous. Hearing reports of athletes using DNP before trying a Cyclical Ketogenic Diet, legal diet supplements, and medically supervised weight loss drugs is crazy. Here are a few links to effective weight loss supplements, drugs, and strategies that are much safer than DNP and are certainly a much better alternative for all but the most elite bodybuilders. That said, if an athlete makes the personal decision to use DNP, it is possible to take precautions to maximize its benefits and minimize the potential risks.

The 7-day DNP Fat Loss Inferno Cycle:

The 7-day DNP Fat Loss Inferno Cycle involves a moderate to high dosage of DNP for fat burning. The DNP Fat Loss Inferno involves a 7-day on, 7-day off approach to using DNP and has four distinct phases. Most athletes using DNP follow this type of cycle. The phases are as follows:

Phase 1: The 3-day Carb-Depletion Phase.

Phase 2: The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase.

Phase 3: The 14-day DNP Inferno Phase.

Phase 4: The 2-day Post-DNP Phase.
Phase 1. The 3-day Carb-Depletion Phase

Phase One has a three-day duration and begins four days preceding the ingestion of DNP. The purpose of this phase is to deplete muscle-glycogen content by restricting carbohydrates. This is achieved through a ketogenic style diet.

Kcals should be restricted to 10-12 times bodyweight in lbs. And carbohydrates should be restricted to less than 60g/day. Protein is consumed at 1 gram per pound of bodyweight or higher and the remaining dietary calories should come from fat.


This phase lasts exactly 3 days, and will reduce muscle-glycogen levels so that the body is forced to rely on fat as fuel more readily when you start your DNP cycle.


Phase 2 The 1-day Thyroxine (T3) Re-normalization Phase

This is a new concept for DNP dieting. During the past three days, the athlete has restricted carbohydrates and as a direct consequence T4-T3 conversion is slowed down resulting in reduced T3 levels. This is bad for the DNP phase, as you need enough active T3 to last throughout the entire 7-day-On DNP phase.
Day four of the DNP cycle involves a mega-carbohydrate meal at mid-afternoon (4-6PM) designed to create a massive insulin spike and re-normalize T4-T3. This concept has been extrapolated from ketogenic diets and has been shown to dramatically increase serum concentrations of T3.

Day 4 involves Keto eating until the Mega-carb meal. Then in the late afternoon, at least circa 250g of carbohydrates must be consumed to create an insulin spike. Any sugar (fructose, sucrose, maltose etc.) is fair game. Fructose in particular is good because it primarily re-fills liver glycogen which is directly involved in T4-T3 conversion. (Empty liver glycogen signals the thyroid to decrease T4-T3 conversion).

As a side-note, a 250g carb-meal after three days of Keto dieting creates a more pronounced insulin spike than would a 250g carb-meal after three days of normal eating.

Kcals during Phase 2 should be kept at 15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs can be calculated by the athlete. The only carb intake on day 4 should be the 250g carb-meal.

Phase 3 The 14-day DNP Phase

The first two days of actual DNP consumption are the most important to follow correctly. During Days 5 and 6 of the actual DNP portion of the cycle, it must be determined if the athlete will have an allergic reaction to DNP -- some will.

Day 5: 200 mg of DNP is ingested

Day 6: 200 mg of DNP is ingested

At this point the dieter should be able to assess if an allergic reaction has occurred. A DNP-stimulated allergic reaction will lead to swelling in as little as 1 to 2 days time. Approximately 10% of athletes will have such a reaction. The unfortunate few who experience this type of a reaction must terminate the cycle immediately. Benadryl or Ketotifen (Anti-histamines) can be used to treat mild symptoms. Obviously a doctor should be consulted should the symptoms prove more severe.

Day 3: Dieters making it to day 7 of the cycle have the option of increasing their dosage. The normal dosage for beginners is 400mg DNP/day. Even an amount this small should provide outstanding results. A word of caution. DO NOT TAKE MORE, if you are not experienced with DNP-use. More advanced users may chose to go higher based on past experience.

The 400mg/day dosage is maintained from Day 8 through Day 14 (Exactly 7 days). The last dose is taken on Day 14.


Supplementation and Nutritional Protocol for a DNP cycle:


1. An ECA stack is beneficial while on a DNP cycle as it as it acts as an anorectant. DNP raises Neuro-peptide Y levels in the brain, which is directly linked to increased hunger. Consuming 75-100mg total of ephedrine alkaloids/day should be sufficient to suppress appetite. PPA (Nor-ephedrine) should NOT be used as it enhances lethargy when combined with DNP.


2. Anti-oxidants. Due to the DNP-induced rapid combustion of fats, free-radical production skyrockets up-wards. To combat this, anti-oxidants must be used. Anti-oxidants are the single most important supplement to take on a DNP cycle.


a) Fat-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin E: 1000mgs/day

b) Water-soluble Anti-O: Vitamin C: 2-3g/day

c) Alpha Lipoic acid: 600-1000mgs/day

Dual-anti-oxidant: BOTH fat & water-soluble actually re-cycles other anti-oxidants.


3. Glycerol: Although optional, glycerol is often consumed at 15ml's 3X/day. Glycerol increases hydration for many athletes.
No additional supplements are really required other than these three. All the rest you have read in various DNP articles are more for peace of mind than improved functionality. I consider them overkill -- although they can enhance results.


4. Water: Not a supplement, but an absolute necessity.
DNP causes sweating and can be incredibly dehydrating. Dehydration is the NUMBER ONE cause of most DNP problems and deaths. Excessive dehydration results in over-heating. Dieters who do not replenish fluids properly while on a DNP cycle can and do die. The consensus among athletes is that at least two gallons of water must be consumed daily.


5. EAT FRUIT while on your DNP cycle.
Fruit for some reason has been found to greatly reduce the lethargy associated with a DNP cycle. It also has a high water content, therefore it helps to keep the dieter hydrated. Watermelon is an obvious recommendation.


6. Dietary intake: There are several schools of thought on this matter, but sticking to the old standard always works.

Kcals should be kept anywhere from 10-15X Bodyweight in lbs. Macro-nutrient break-downs should be kept at around 20% fat, 30% protein and 50% carbs. (Changing the ratios in favor of more carbs and protein w/ less fat will result in a more fat loss but nothing special. Also, remember that more carbohydrates means more heat).

Take for example the 220 lb (100 kg) bodybuilder. He would consume anywhere from 2200 to 3300 Kcal per day (Depending on his appetite control).

[01WhiteCobra]

What is DNP? This one is new to me. How do you take it and where do you get it?

2,4-Dinitrophenol

Use to be used to fire off TNT and kill roaches.

Then some researcher (before the days of LSD) found out when he ingested it he lost weight, sweated alot and looked flush all the time.

[superlopez]

2,4-Dinitrophenol

Use to be used to fire off TNT and kill roaches.

Then some researcher (before the days of LSD) found out when he ingested it he lost weight, sweated alot and looked flush all the time.



I read that it was used in a lumber yard , and they used it to tret the lumber.then all the guys who worked there started losing weight like crazy.

The same artical said to stay away from this crap.

[01WhiteCobra]

I read that it was used in a lumber yard , and they used it to tret the lumber.then all the guys who worked there started losing weight like crazy.

The same artical said to stay away from this crap.

Could have been, Dave's article said it was a wood preservative as well.

Anything used to dentonate TNT, kill roaches and treat wood isn't something that I'm looking forward to ingesting.

[Cooter]

quick fixes are the best!!!

[davbrucas]

quick fixes are the best!!!

you sure are a cynical fuck arent you? :rolleyes:

[Cooter]

I love quick fixes... I'm a lazy mofo! :D