D-BOL vs WINNI-V

[DallasGt01]

What is the benifit of them...
Where can i get them???

[96Cobra_Nate]

What is the benifit of them...
Where can i get them???

You can't compare the two, they each do something different!

Try the kids at Southlake High,I herd they have a two for one deal on them now.

[superlopez]

You can't compare the two, they each do something different!

Try the kids at Southlake High,I herd they have a two for one deal on them now.

Or your local MLB player.

[Todd]

I was asked again yesterday if I was interested in D-Boll. I've thought about it but I am still seeing gains .... slow as they may be, they are still happening for me at this point.

I've been too paranoid about the issues. My mom's entire side of the family died from heart disease. I think I should not risk anything that might help any of that along for me. I may have to stay small.

[DallasGt01]

what do they do?

[96Cobra_Nate]

I was asked again yesterday if I was interested in D-Boll. I've thought about it but I am still seeing gains .... slow as they may be, they are still happening for me at this point.

I've been too paranoid about the issues. My mom's entire side of the family died from heart disease. I think I should not risk anything that might help any of that along for me. I may have to stay small.


You almost need to be a doctor to be able to understand how steroids work for you as well as what stacks you would see the most results from and to be able to know what side effects will be involved.

[The Raven]

What is the benifit of them...
Where can i get them???


If you are asking such basic questions on a car-based board, you should not even be considering anabolic steroids.

[96Cobra_Nate]

If you are asking such basic questions on a car-based board, you should not even be considering anabolic steroids.

agreed!

[blkbullitt]

make you gain mass and look fat ( d-ball. or whatever it is ) try some tess 250 :D

[davbrucas]

i just typed up a long reply to this thread including pros and cons of both and how they are used, but i lost it somehow...so, dbol is usually used in bulking cycles to kickstart the cycle due to the longer esters like test and deca taking a few weeks to kick in. dbol readily aromatizes to estradiol and will cause gyno and bloat unless you use an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex or aromasin. using it alone will get you some gains, but you are not likely to keep them.
winstrol is usually used in a cutting cycle since it does not aromatize to estrogen. it does cause joint soreness due to drying and is one of the worst for screwing up your lipid profile. it is best used with deca with its joint lubing qualities.

The most important aspect to using AAS is post cycle recovery. taking any exogenous steroid will shut down your HPTA axis. when you stop taking these drugs your natural test levels will be non-existent and will take several months to return on their own. this is the reason people lose all of their gains after coming off. proper PCT should include HCG, a SERM and an AI. HCG + nolva works great for small and/or short cycles.
so, if you want some advice, do not take these drugs unless you know exactly what you are doing and are ready for such an endeavor as you can screw yourself up pretty bad....

[blkbullitt]

i just typed up a long reply to this thread including pros and cons of both and how they are used, but i lost it somehow...so, dbol is usually used in bulking cycles to kickstart the cycle due to the longer esters like test and deca taking a few weeks to kick in. dbol readily aromatizes to estradiol and will cause gyno and bloat unless you use an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex or aromasin. using it alone will get you some gains, but you are not likely to keep them.
winstrol is usually used in a cutting cycle since it does not aromatize to estrogen. it does cause joint soreness due to drying and is one of the worst for screwing up your lipid profile. it is best used with deca with its joint lubing qualities.

The most important aspect to using AAS is post cycle recovery. taking any exogenous steroid will shut down your HPTA axis. when you stop taking these drugs your natural test levels will be non-existent and will take several months to return on their own. this is the reason people lose all of their gains after coming off. proper PCT should include HCG, a SERM and an AI. HCG + nolva works great for small and/or short cycles.
so, if you want some advice, do not take these drugs unless you know exactly what you are doing and are ready for such an endeavor as you can screw yourself up pretty bad....








damn....so have you ever used them before?

[davbrucas]

damn....so have you ever used them before?

i did a few cycles when i was in a ranger unit back in the late 80s early 90s. none since, but i still consider it given my advanced age! :) may just opt to do GH instead....

[PooterWS6]

You can't compare the two, they each do something different!

Try the kids at Southlake High,I herd they have a two for one deal on them now.
Tis very true!

I went there, all true.
Damn rich fucks have to much money to spend on drugs.

You need something, go there.
Never have, never will myself, but seen plenty of it around when I went there.

[davbrucas]

its is plain stupid to use AAS in high school...when your normal testosterone is at its peak. at that age, you will grow like a weed with food! AAS will also cause premature closure of the epiphyses (growth plates of long bones). just not a good idea to use until you are over 24-25...

[Mr. Smith]

Why dont yall just try hard work and persistence. Then you wouldnt have anything to worry about.

You cant get big overnight no matter what you do. Have some patience.

Just trying to help/my 2 cents.

[HEVNBND]

DallasGT01 Any word on my MP3 Player i have paid and called and called and have not heard back from you. It has not shipped... I will attach the label if that will help. Please let me know something... Thanks for your time.

[ls1eater]

d-bol by itself is a waste, you will get good gains but as soon as you stop all off it will go away.

[Kaji]

you're a dumb fuck if you take roids and not doing it for your life ie. Ronnie Coleman

[ls1eater]

steroids arent that bad for your body if taken properly, so how is that being fucking stupid

[carmarogirl17]

stack winstrol and decca they work realy good if you want more info go to steriods.com it has all the info on all of them.

[ls1eater]

deca is more for bulking up, You cant get bulk and lean at the same time, it just doesnt work. If it did everyone would be doing this.

[Kaji]

steroids arent that bad for your body if taken properly, so how is that being fucking stupid

you're a smart one for sure.

[LTP]

deca is more for bulking up, You cant get bulk and lean at the same time, it just doesnt work. If it did everyone would be doing this.

yes you can. proper diet, proper routine. It all depends on your body type.

Shawn Ray has a great write-up about this very topic. I'll look for it and post it. I might have to type the whole shit out.


He basically says it's funny how lazy people are and how they want things RIGHT NOW instead of DONE RIGHT, so they use roids and eat shit food to gain weight. He also mentions that allot of competitors that have trouble staying lean, do so because they use the offseason as an excuse to eat like shit. Ray eats lean and lifts hard year round and is a top competitor for sure. Ronnie Coleman is the same way.

[LTP]

steroids arent that bad for your body if taken properly, so how is that being fucking stupid


i cant beleive i just read that. lol

[dewayne6243]

What is the benifit of them...
Where can i get them???


I know about a dozen places where you can get them legal from a doctor.

[Cooter]

steroids arent that bad for your body if taken properly, so how is that being fucking stupid

you honestly think the kid who started this thread wouldn't be fucking stupid to take them? if a dumb fuck from garland blows his car up on a bad nitrous tune, it can be rebuilt... the human body is a tad bit more complicated and expensive to fix ;)

Forrest <-- STILL researching steroids 5yrs later

[superlopez]

deca is more for bulking up, You cant get bulk and lean at the same time, it just doesnt work. If it did everyone would be doing this.
myth

[davbrucas]

oh you can definitely bulk and then cut on the same cycle...

trenbolone acetate/testosterone propionate/equipoise/winny ended with clen/T3. this cycle will transform you faster than any other cycle. assuming you have your diet and training down. only thing is you have to shoot the tren/prop every day since they are such short esters.

dont do a deca cycle without a testosterone base...you will feel like the king of the world while on, but when you come off cycle you are gonna be shut down very hard and you will likely lose most of your gains if you do not know what you are doing...these drugs are not to be taken lightly as they can do more harm than good in the wrong hands.

[dewayne6243]

What about 6 months of HGH with 2 cycles of test/deca in between them. That is what my doctor put me on.

[davbrucas]

What about 6 months of HGH with 2 cycles of test/deca in between them. That is what my doctor put me on.

you are using tes/deca for HRT? :confused: how old are you? you should not be using the HGH until after 30 when you would need it most. stick with the AAS until then. did your doc give you any dostinex or arimidex to prevent the sides from the deca and test? how many milligrams of each? HGH should be used for extended periods to see any effect...6mos at the shortest. preferrable 1yr.

[dewayne6243]

you are using tes/deca for HRT? :confused: how old are you? you should not be using the HGH until after 30 when you would need it most. stick with the AAS until then. did your doc give you any dostinex or arimidex to prevent the sides from the deca and test? how many milligrams of each? HGH should be used for extended periods to see any effect...6mos at the shortest. preferrable 1yr.

He gave me Testlac 50mg. Clomid 50mg. HCG 10,000IU

I am 29 years old. The only thing I have a problem is acne. I can't control it. It is all over my back and arms. I know it is the test cip doing it. What can I take. I am doing 2 IU of HGH daily and 200mg of test/deca weekly.

[davbrucas]

why are you taking the clomid? if its as an anti-estrogen, stop taking it. that stuff will give you the acne you are describing. what exactly are you taking every day/week? i would take 500mg test and 300mg deca every 5days plus you will need something to combat the estrogen sides as well as the deca sides...2 different animals. test aromatizes to estradiol and the nandrolones (deca) convert to prolactin/progestins. you should use 0.5mg arimidex every day as it is an aromatase inhibitor. not a serm like clomid. arimidex will prevent gyno or water retention seen in test based cycles. also, you should be taking dostinex (cabergoline) at 0.5mg every 4days. this will inhibit the progestin related sides (prolactin). you should also have some nolvadex 10mg on hand in case you start getting some estrogen-related gyno symptoms (itchy nipples). get the arimidex liquid here...
http://www.ancillaryguys.com/home.html
take 1/2cc every day. you can also get the nolvadex there too. it is a legit company.

get the cabergoline here...
http://www.buy-dostinex.com/buy-dostinex/Buy_Dostinex_Cabergoline_Cabaser.asp

get the cabaser 1mg tabs. they come in a bottle of 20. cut these in half and take one half tab every 4days.

STOP the clomid. your acne will go away.

[davbrucas]

the HGH dose is good. people see great results at 2-4IU daily for 6-12mos.

[dewayne6243]

I take the clomid on my off cycle with the HCG. My acne is getting worse during my cycle. I was told to take Primrose oil but that didn't do the trick. Might need to try a different test.

[JMAC]

d-bol by itself is a waste, you will get good gains but as soon as you stop all off it will go away.I have a friend that has gotten great gains from it so far.

[5111]

http://www.ancillaryguys.com/home.html
You can also get the nolvadex there too. it is a legit company.
Actually, these guys (http://www.ibenutrition.com/LABS/aqs.htm) are cheaper.

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IBE Labs Tamoxifen Citrate - 60mL @ 20mg/mL is only $30

I have several friends that recommend them for Clen and Nolva.

[superlopez]

Actually, these guys (http://www.ibenutrition.com/LABS/aqs.htm) are cheaper.

AG-GUYS.com Tamoxifen Citrate - 30mL @ 25mg/mL is $55
IBE Labs Tamoxifen Citrate - 60mL @ 20mg/mL is only $30

I have several friends that recommend them for Clen and Nolva.
Thanks

[davbrucas]

IBE labs are great as well...they had stopped taking orders for a while...looks like they are back online. dewayne, check your PMs...

[Sprayed 331 stroker]

go here http://forums.steroid.com/ you will learn everything you need not to fuck yourself up, also you really shouldnt run winny and deca for a whole cycle, you also should run test 250 with evrey cycle. you also have to do PCT ( post cycle therapy) after your done with your cycle for 3 weeks with clomid and nolva. a good beginer cycle is this..

week 1 - 12 test 250
week 1 - 10 deca
week 1- 14 nolva every day

you can also run d-bol for the 1st 4 - 5 weeks for a starter to jump start your body and run winny week 6 - 12 as a cutter.

[davbrucas]

go here http://forums.steroid.com/ you will learn everything you need not to fuck yourself up, also you really shouldnt run winny and deca for a whole cycle, you also should run test 250 with evrey cycle. you also have to do PCT ( post cycle therapy) after your done with your cycle for 3 weeks with clomid and nolva. a good beginer cycle is this..

week 1 - 12 test 250
week 1 - 10 deca
week 1- 14 nolva every day

you can also run d-bol for the 1st 4 - 5 weeks for a starter to jump start your body and run winny week 6 - 12 as a cutter.

i have a few problems with this cycle recommendation...

1. beginners should start with a test only cycle so they can see if they are gyno prone or not. if they use deca and test and get gyno symptoms then they wont know which drug is causing the gyno as test causes estrogen-related sides and deca causes progesterone-related sides.
2. you should always run the test dose higher than the deca dose or you will have libido problems for months after the cycle...dostinex helps prevent this.
3. no reason to run the nolva during this cycle. save it for PCT...unless you get gyno symptoms. if you want to prevent some of the water retention, then use arimidex or aromasin. they are aromatase inhibitors which prevent test from aromatizing to estradiol...hence no estrogen-related symptoms. nolva and clomid are SERMs...they are competitive inhibitors of the estrogen receptor. best used when symptoms are already present or for PCT.
4. PCT should be done as follows..this method works every time. period.
starting 1 wk after your last injection, HCG 1000IU MWF for three weeks along with nolva 20mg every day. then stop the HCG and continue the nolva for another 2-3wks. this will work on most mild/moderate cycle of 8-10wks. for heavier cycles or longer cycles, you can add clomid at 50mg every day to the above. if you take arimidex or aromasin during the cycle, then continue taking it through the end of PCT b/c the AIs have been shown to increase natty test levels up to 50%. the HCG is used to increase testicular volume back to normal levels (atrophy of some degree will occur with the use of exogenous hormones) which will improve the response of the testicles to the LH that is being produced due to the SERMs.
5. beginners should not be using multiple drugs as stated above...especially two 17-aa orals like winny and dbol. your liver will be begging for mercy if you do.

so a good beginner cycle will look like this...it is wise to get some baseline labs to compare to after you complete your PCT to see if you have returned to normal.

testosterone enanthate 500mg/wk for 10wks injecting every 5days
dbol 25mg every day wk1-4
arimidex 0.5mg ed/eod

PCT: starting 1wk after last injection...
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks plus nolvadex 20mg every day. then stop the HCG and continue the nolva for another 2-3wks.
continue the arimidex 0.5mg every day through the end of PCT

2wks after PCT, go get some more labs drawn and go from there. expect to gain 15lbs with this cycle assuming your diet is good....if you eat like shit you will look like shit.

hope this helps...

[ruffdaddy]

for all the dumbasses out there:
Steroids are safe and highly beneficial if taken right. Why else would they be presribed? If taken in reasonable regulated doses you will see increased muscle gain as well as acne. Steroids are also good to help you recover from a muscle injury. Thats why they're good for working out.