I'm impressed with the gains on a LS1 with a cam swap

[manny]

I know this is way out of my norm, but I was impressed. As many of you already know LS1's with several mods and a nice cam will make some good power. We had a customer who we rescently installed a cam, built a dual exhaust setup, installed a clutch & flywheel, and James @ speedworks tuned it.
He already had longtubes, lid, pulley, off road Y-pipe, open cutout, and a tune.
The gains are more then we hoped for.

[Andrew]

I know what cam I'm getting for my Z06! :D

[Boss Hogg]

Yes, it is true.

[slownbmta]

What cam?

[dan03mach]

What cam?
Yeah really, Hey Manny do you know the specs on the cam... Those are some very good gains...

[manny]

It is a custom ground comp. cam, we can get it or speedworks can. We also put the double spring kit w/ titanium retainers.
Dan, I don't know what you are brewing, but not even "4 of them" in your car will make that much power. lol!
There is no cams similar to that for our motors, it sounds awesome!

[dan03mach]

It is a custom ground comp. cam, we can get it or speedworks can. We also put the double spring kit w/ titanium retainers.
Dan, I don't know what you are brewing, but not even "4 of them" in your car will make that much power. lol!
There is no cams similar to that for our motors, it sounds awesome!
I'm not looking for me... Almost all of my friends drive LS1's and I was just wanting to know the specs on that cam... You don't have them by chance do you???

I don't need cams I just need a blower!!!! ;)

[manny]

Why not nitrous?
I am not sure of the exact specs off hand, I do know you can't really go any bigger with out reliefs in the pistons. I do know where they can get one though, if you want to send them this direction.
BTW thanks to Lane for the advice on the duals!

[dan03mach]

Why not nitrous?
I am not sure of the exact specs off hand, I do know you can't really go any bigger with out reliefs in the pistons. I do know where they can get one though, if you want to send them this direction.
BTW thanks to Lane for the advice on the duals!Ok I'll show them the graft and see what he says.... The only thing about Nitrous is that I want the power all the time and I don't want to go and have to fill up a bottle every other week or so... Plus I have been looking at Superchargers and I like the idea of having the power all the time... I was looking to do a Cobra Eaton swap but I might change my mind about that and go with a procharger or something like that...

[manny]

I would go with a procharger D1-sc instead, a lot more room for growth! With the type of racing you like, if you gear it correctly it should be in good boost the whole time. Or I have a F1R kit I could sell you, it has been 9.0's in the quarter.

[Sam88Gta2]

Ok I'll show them the graft and see what he says....
Dont show the cam to Jake he will buy it and take it out a week later cause it spins the tires too much. :rolleyes:

[dan03mach]

I would go with a procharger D1-sc instead, a lot more room for growth! With the type of racing you like, if you gear it correctly it should be in good boost the whole time. Or I have a F1R kit I could sell you, it has been 9.0's in the quarter.
I was looking at the D1-sc kit... But this is going to be a little while before I get it so no big hurry right now... I don't want to run to high of boost levels right now with the stock bottem end in there.. Forged internails will come at a later time...

[dan03mach]

Dont show the cam to Jake he will buy it and take it out a week later cause it spins the tires too much. :rolleyes:
Jakes car is making a hell of alot more tq then that, but he isn't making as much rwhp.. It might have something to do with the small 8" 4400 race stall he has in there.. He is one of the fastest cam only LS1's that I have seen...

[Sam88Gta2]

Jakes car is making a hell of alot more tq then that, but he isn't making as much rwhp.. It might have something to do with the small 8" 4400 race stall he has in there.. He is one of the fastest cam only LS1's that I have seen...
The car on the dyno sheet is a 6 speed..its going to make more hp and less tq on the dyno.

You can say........was making more tq.

[dan03mach]

The car on the dyno sheet is a 6 speed..its going to make more hp and less tq on the dyno.

You can say........was making more tq.Well put the 2 cars side by side at the track and who do you think will win the race.. ;) But those numbers do look good for that M6 car...

[Tweaked Blazer]

Jakes car is making a hell of alot more tq then that, but he isn't making as much rwhp.. It might have something to do with the small 8" 4400 race stall he has in there.. He is one of the fastest cam only LS1's that I have seen...
Dmcracer has the baddest cam only camaro around.At 3200lbs he is running 6.8's .He won his class at the Thundervalley shootout in Louisianna this year.He drives this car from Lake Tawakoni to Redline every friday night for 40 weeks straight and runs in the street class for points.Thats pretty damn impressive.

[dan03mach]

Dmcracer has the baddest cam only camaro around.At 3200lbs he is running 6.8's .He won his class at the Thundervalley shootout in Louisianna this year.He drives this car from Lake Tawakoni to Redline every friday night for 40 weeks straight and runs in the street class for points.Thats pretty damn impressive.
Jake ran 6.8's just last Thursday at K-dale on a crappy track prep night.. I know once he has some good track prep he is going to be in the 6.7's again like he was before.. And his car is a daily driver too... Drives it everyday to work and back and to the track and home...

[Tweaked Blazer]

Jake ran 6.8's just last Thursday at K-dale on a crappy track prep night.. I know once he has some good track prep he is going to be in the 6.7's again like he was before.. And his car is a daily driver too... Drives it everyday to work and back and to the track and home...
I know guys who have spent tons of money and time to run that fast.If they only had a ls1.

[dan03mach]

I know guys who have spent tons of money and time to run that fast.If they only had a ls1.
Yep, Damn LS1's are fast with just minor bolt ons and weight reduction... That is why I'm putting a charger on my Mach so I can run in the 6's with the rest of my Buds... It will take way too much money to try to do it N/A... Just throw some boost in it and GET ER DUN....

[Tweaked Blazer]

Yep, Damn LS1's are fast with just minor bolt ons and weight reduction... That is why I'm putting a charger on my Mach so I can run in the 6's with the rest of my Buds... It will take way too much money to try to do it N/A... Just throw some boost in it and GET ER DUN....
GOT ER DID!!!!! :D

[SUX2BU]

He aint got nuthin on my 424/420 dyno #'s!

[STROKD]

It is a custom ground comp. cam, we can get it or speedworks can. We also put the double spring kit w/ titanium retainers.
Dan, I don't know what you are brewing, but not even "4 of them" in your car will make that much power. lol!
There is no cams similar to that for our motors, it sounds awesome!
Holy CHRIST! Will that cam work in a LS2? :D ;)

[STROKD]

He aint got nuthin on my 424/420 dyno #'s!
Do you have stock heads and stock CID? :confused:

[Beenfetchedlately]

I know this is way out of my norm, but I was impressed. As many of you already know LS1's with several mods and a nice cam will make some good power. We had a customer who we rescently installed a cam, built a dual exhaust setup, installed a clutch & flywheel, and James @ speedworks tuned it.
He already had longtubes, lid, pulley, off road Y-pipe, open cutout, and a tune.
The gains are more then we hoped for.

Made some nice power but its far from nice on the torque side....Torque is pretty weak. Reminds me of some of the first LS1 cam grinds that were coming out. Guys were picking up 40hp and only like 15 on the torque side.

Mike

[CatDaddy]

Made some nice power but its far from nice on the torque side....Torque is pretty weak. Mike
I was thinking the same thing. LS1s are typically very healthy on the torque side :(

[STROKD]

Made some nice power but its far from nice on the torque side....Torque is pretty weak. Reminds me of some of the first LS1 cam grinds that were coming out. Guys were picking up 40hp and only like 15 on the torque side.

Mike
I would give up some torque for extra HP, but I like to hook up on street tires too. :o

If I could have an Indy motor in my car I would, 800 + HP and 400 Torque would own! :D

[momo stallion]

I would go with a procharger D1-sc instead, a lot more room for growth! With the type of racing you like, if you gear it correctly it should be in good boost the whole time. Or I have a F1R kit I could sell you, it has been 9.0's in the quarter.


i want your f1r!

[DMcRacer]

Jakes car is making a hell of alot more tq then that, but he isn't making as much rwhp.. It might have something to do with the small 8" 4400 race stall he has in there.. He is one of the fastest cam only LS1's that I have seen...


Jakes car is quick, but he does have ported heads ;)

[Beenfetchedlately]

I would give up some torque for extra HP, but I like to hook up on street tires too. :o

If I could have an Indy motor in my car I would, 800 + HP and 400 Torque would own! :D
So you like to wait for you car to actually get moving? So when you let the clutch out easily from a stop and cruise out to the intersection at say 5mph you like for the car to bog? Cause thats what your gonna get with that much torque at those low RPMs.

Mike

[Beenfetchedlately]

Jakes car is quick, but he does have ported heads ;)
They are stock now and made as much power or more ...Go figure...He actually had them flowed nad the JJ special didnt flow but only 10-15 cfm more then a stock LS1 head. Thats a stage .5 JJ head for you though. LOL

Mike

[Lane]

They are stock now and made as much power or more ...Go figure...He actually had them flowed nad the JJ special didnt flow but only 10-15 cfm more then a stock LS1 head. Thats a stage .5 JJ head for you though. LOL

Mike

LOL - Stage .5 heads! hahaha

Manny - looks like the duals went well. :) That much power on stock heads(and those mods) is impressive, and the torque numbers aren't that bad.

[Sam88Gta2]

Jakes car is quick, but he does have ported heads ;)
He went a 6.86 at 100.3 at +250 da with stock 241 heads on his car.

[DMcRacer]

He went a 6.86 at 100.3 at +250 da with stock 241 heads on his car.

Nice mph. He needs to get out some -DA and see what it will do.

[Mach1Marauder]

I would go with a procharger D1-sc instead, a lot more room for growth! With the type of racing you like, if you gear it correctly it should be in good boost the whole time. Or I have a F1R kit I could sell you, it has been 9.0's in the quarter.
The one that was on the poor yankee's car? :D

[Cmarsh93z]

Nice gain...seems about right for a good cam. There is a guy on Tech that is running 6.6's with a 6speed camonly....130 on the bigend!

Chris

[STROKD]

Nice gain...seems about right for a good cam. There is a guy on Tech that is running 6.6's with a 6speed camonly....130 on the bigend!

Chris
1 fucken 30 out of a cam only car? Stock internals and heads?! holy fucken christ, I am buying a Chevy. :eek:

[STROKD]

So you like to wait for you car to actually get moving? So when you let the clutch out easily from a stop and cruise out to the intersection at say 5mph you like for the car to bog? Cause thats what your gonna get with that much torque at those low RPMs.

Mike
Yes. :cool: Bog = better than spin city, I dont drive around on E/Ts. :o

[Cmarsh93z]

1 fucken 30 out of a cam only car? Stock internals and heads?! holy fucken christ, I am buying a Chevy. :eek:

Yep..stock shortblock and everything, never had the heads off. He ran a 10.4x@130mph....and he is still removing more weight this next week. I bet with a nice fresh stock shortblock, and the right cam, you could close in on 450rwhp and almost run 9's, in a 3000 pound car.

Chris

[6secNaLs1]

Jakes car is quick, but he does have ported heads ;)
no more ported heads i took sam's advice and put stock ones on it...im in between cams right now trying to figure out what will work best...

dan you gonna bust up wild bill this weekend :confused:

[SUX2BU]

Do you have stock heads and stock CID? :confused:
Yup stock unported milled 241 heads and a stone stock 6.0 short block.

[6secNaLs1]

Yup stock unported milled 241 heads and a stone stock 6.0 short block.
whats stone stock ??????

[Blue99Ws7]

whats stone stock ??????


Don't know but but if you've got one, then I need one too to go that fast. lol guess the converter made a difference. lol. how drivability?

[dan03mach]

no more ported heads i took sam's advice and put stock ones on it...im in between cams right now trying to figure out what will work best...

dan you gonna bust up wild bill this weekend :confused:I'll wait for Ennis.. Are you going to roll with me out there on the 25th... I got the rearend torn apart at the moment.. I took the spider gears out to make sure there wasn't any stress cracks in them.. Greg put my 3" wheel studs in my axles today so once I get the rearend back together it should be on... Then I'm going to change the rest of the fluids, and put my Draglites on... I should have almost all of it done Friday... If I don't sleep all day...

[Beenfetchedlately]

no more ported heads i took sam's advice and put stock ones on it...im in between cams right now trying to figure out what will work best...

dan you gonna bust up wild bill this weekend :confused:

I could tell you what would work best but that doenst mean you will listen man!

Hardened pushrods, new lifters, etc!!!!!! YOU DA!

Mike :)

[STROKD]

Yep..stock shortblock and everything, never had the heads off. He ran a 10.4x@130mph....and he is still removing more weight this next week. I bet with a nice fresh stock shortblock, and the right cam, you could close in on 450rwhp and almost run 9's, in a 3000 pound car.

Chris
OK its settled... Fords are bullshit!

How bout a 3100 lb car with an aluminum 6.0 that made 350RW stock through a 4L-65 with 1100 miles on the clock; would I get close to 450 with the right cam, long tubes, X pipe, tune, (colder thermostat cause it was running 228 on the dyno), and '01 LS6 heads? :confused:

I am assuming that the guy changed his valve springs on the car right? Since you said the heads were never off, or did he not change those up too? :eek:

[manny]

I'm not sure how much rwtq a 6spd normally puts down with a cam. I was impressed at the fact that it lost nothing down low, actually gained at 3k. Then at 5k it is making like 50 more ftlbs @ the wheels, and at 6k it has nearly 75 more ftlbs at the wheels. We are now going to put the cooler thermostat, and do the tb mod.
The car went 89mph at full weight before, hopefully it will go in the mid 90's.

[yodaddy]

Yep..stock shortblock and everything, never had the heads off. He ran a 10.4x@130mph....and he is still removing more weight this next week. I bet with a nice fresh stock shortblock, and the right cam, you could close in on 450rwhp and almost run 9's, in a 3000 pound car.

Chris

with a 90mm fast intake/tb, that 450 number can be achievable

jeremy at LG was making 547 I think with a g5x3 and the 90mm setup on his z06

[yodaddy]

OK its settled... Fords are bullshit!

How bout a 3100 lb car with an aluminum 6.0 that made 350RW stock through a 4L-65 with 1100 miles on the clock; would I get close to 450 with the right cam, long tubes, X pipe, tune, (colder thermostat cause it was running 228 on the dyno), and '01 LS6 heads? :confused:

I am assuming that the guy changed his valve springs on the car right? Since you said the heads were never off, or did he not change those up too? :eek:

not with an automatic

shoot for 400-410 with an auto

[STROKD]

not with an automatic

shoot for 400-410 with an auto
Why? does the convertor eat up that much power? This dude went from 346-427, If I am making 350 now, why cant it acheive the same gains? :confused: It's not a LS1 auto making 290 now or anything... ;)

[Cmarsh93z]

With a 6.0 and Ls6 heads, you could make some stupid power. I would imagine an easy 450-460rwhp. And yes, he did change valve springs. Right now DMC's cam only car is making ~ 410-420 rwhp locked....IF he added a 90/90 setup, prob push that near 440 with the auto. 6spd would prob max out around 450-455 avg or so with the 90/90. Different dynos, wheels, drivetrains are all going to affect that number. Also..its easy to pick a cam that will make ALL topend power, the secret is to have one that makes it through the usable range!

Chris

[Beenfetchedlately]

Why? does the convertor eat up that much power? This dude went from 346-427, If I am making 350 now, why cant it acheive the same gains? :confused: It's not a LS1 auto making 290 now or anything... ;)

Surely you are not that stupid right? Of course a auto dynoes lower and yes a converter eats up ALOT of power.

Mike

[Lane]

...I was impressed at the fact that it lost nothing down low, actually gained at 3k. Then at 5k it is making like 50 more ftlbs @ the wheels, and at 6k it has nearly 75 more ftlbs at the wheels....

The Dr Gas crossover is a big part of that.

My A4 LS1 car picked up all kinds of mid-range power with it - on the stock cam..

[Beenfetchedlately]

The Dr Gas crossover is a big part of that.

My A4 LS1 car picked up all kinds of mid-range power with it - on the stock cam..

Maybe it can pick up a nice neat printed W2 from paychex too :rolleyes:

Its getting old going to the mailbox and not seeing one man. WTF is the deal? Another broken promise? :confused: :mad:

[Lane]

Maybe it can pick up a nice neat printed W2 from paychex too :rolleyes:

Its getting old going to the mailbox and not seeing one man. WTF is the deal? Another broken promise? :confused: :mad:

You've got your W2, and your taxes were paid.. I had Fred write it, so I know it's not messy. :)

Are you seriously waiting for a printed one to do your return? It's the SAME thing! Tick-tock, tick-tock - The IRS is collecting interest on your money!

You'll have the 'printed Paychex' W2 very soon - just keep going to the mailbox. :p



Sorry Manny..

[Beenfetchedlately]

You've got your W2, and your taxes were paid.. I had Fred write it, so I know it's not messy. :)

Are you seriously waiting for a printed one to do your return? It's the SAME thing! Tick-tock, tick-tock - The IRS is collecting interest on your money!

You'll have the 'printed Paychex' W2 very soon - just keep going to the mailbox. :p



Sorry Manny..

Yes i am seriously waiting to see if you will fumble this promise too!

I was told it I would have it soon and its already been 18 days. WTF is soon in your book. 10 years later or a few days later. Ill just go ahead and call the IRS if you want to play hardball... Im sick of getting the run around on shit from you.

[Lane]

Yes i am seriously waiting to see if you will fumble this promise too!

I was told it I would have it soon and its already been 18 days. WTF is soon in your book. 10 years later or a few days later. Ill just go ahead and call the IRS if you want to play hardball... Im sick of getting the run around on shit from you.

First - I didn't promise you anything. Second - you HAVE your return!

I said you 'should' have the printed return soon after you received the handwritten one. It's taken longer than expected with that, but I don't even owe it to you! You have everything you need to file your return - with the handwritten W2. I fulfilled my obligation in postmarking your return by Jan. 31. I don't even HAVE to send you a printed one now - so PLEASE CALL the IRS if you want. I left off your name/address and social security number in case it was lost in the mail. So - fill in the blanks and file your return. It's very simple Mike.

Why do you have to make things hard on yourself?

<----finished with you on this subject.

[STROKD]

Surely you are not that stupid right? Of course a auto dynoes lower and yes a converter eats up ALOT of power.

Mike
Mike I know that dude, but if I am ALREADY making 350, why would it be so hard to get to 450? long tubes, a cam and tune should pick up more than 50 when 6 speed LS2 cars are making 25-35 with just the damn headers! :(

[Lane]

...when 6 speed LS2 cars are making 25-35 with just the damn headers! :(

LS1 cars pick up that much with headers/duals/good Y, catback combos as well.

[6secNaLs1]

I could tell you what would work best but that doenst mean you will listen man!

Hardened pushrods, new lifters, etc!!!!!! YOU DA!

Mike :)
yeah i know mike..ill try those after this does not work..i get the cam tomorrow..ill take it to fastech dyno it and see what happens then go from there.

[STROKD]

LS1 cars pick up that much with headers/duals/good Y, catback combos as well.
I know, so I was confused why yodaddy thought with that and a cam and a tune I would only see 50, when this one guy with a 6 speed car saw 80 with only a cam. :confused:

[Cmarsh93z]

I know, so I was confused why yodaddy thought with that and a cam and a tune I would only see 50, when this one guy with a 6 speed car saw 80 with only a cam. :confused:

The loss with an Automatic goes up as a percentage, so when you make more power, you lose more power. 420-430 rwhp is good with a cam only 6spd, where the same combo in an auto will make 390-410. Its just a dyno number...but look who I am talking too :P

Chris

[Beenfetchedlately]

First - I didn't promise you anything. Second - you HAVE your return!

I said you 'should' have the printed return soon after you received the handwritten one. It's taken longer than expected with that, but I don't even owe it to you! You have everything you need to file your return - with the handwritten W2. I fulfilled my obligation in postmarking your return by Jan. 31. I don't even HAVE to send you a printed one now - so PLEASE CALL the IRS if you want. I left off your name/address and social security number in case it was lost in the mail. So - fill in the blanks and file your return. It's very simple Mike.

Why do you have to make things hard on yourself?

<----finished with you on this subject.

You're right you didnt promise anything.....YOU TOLD ME I would have it. Quit dicking around and get me my shit. Pretty fucking simple~You wrote a handwritten one to cover your ass on the post marked date. The printed one should follow a few days after. A few days is NOT 2 weeks. A few does not equal to 2+weeks, years, centuries. And yes, the IRS can get involved as well as the EPA, and the city that your shop resides in for code compliance. Just test me. Im tired of you slacking on my shit. PERIOD. Whats your next excuse?

Mike

[STROKD]

The loss with an Automatic goes up as a percentage, so when you make more power, you lose more power. 420-430 rwhp is good with a cam only 6spd, where the same combo in an auto will make 390-410. Its just a dyno number...but look who I am talking too :P

Chris
I hear ya now, makes more sense. Still don't see how a LS2 making 350 stock is only going to pick up 40-50 rw with a cam and full exhaust and tune... :confused: esp when this 6 speed car got 80 RW with just the cam, less CID and worse heads than the LS2... :o

[JKracing]

Mike I know that dude, but if I am ALREADY making 350, why would it be so hard to get to 450? long tubes, a cam and tune should pick up more than 50 when 6 speed LS2 cars are making 25-35 with just the damn headers! :(

That piece of shit 408 KC motor was done after chewing up plugs Long before you blew your daddy's Vert apart. You don't know shit. Go back to house sitting and driving your dads new vette for a living. No one here gives a fuck how blown up your shit is.

[Sam88Gta2]

That piece of shit 408 KC motor was done after chewing up plugs Long before you blew your daddy's Vert apart. You don't know shit. Go back to house sitting and driving your dads new vette for a living. No one here gives a fuck how blown up your shit is.
Well said.


Matt tell daddy that his auto c6 will not make 450. ;)

[PooterWS6]

I still need to dyno my combo, see what it puts down, predicting 390-400rwhp

'01 motor, TSP 231/237, LTs, Lanes Duals, and a Spec St3 clutch.
Most I have seen have been around 390-415 at the wheels:D
Only one way to find out though, besides numbers dont mean shit if you cant drive;)

[STROKD]

That piece of shit 408 KC motor was done after chewing up plugs Long before you blew your daddy's Vert apart. You don't know shit. Go back to house sitting and driving your dads new vette for a living. No one here gives a fuck how blown up your shit is.
Who was talking about my 408 dip shit? I was talking about this motor called a LS2 if you could read, but that is assuming too much. :rolleyes:

And since it doesn't matter much, the Vette will be mine when it is modded before the end of the year, thank you very much for caring though. :confused:

Sam, pops doesn't give a rats ass what his Vette makes, it makes 350, but it will make over 450 when I get it very soon... N/A or not. :p

[Sam88Gta2]

Sam, pops doesn't give a rats ass what his Vette makes, it makes 350, but it will make over 450 when I get it very soon... N/A or not. :p
Its your
its not yours
its yours
its not yours
its yours
its not yours

Im cornfused....it would take me 9 years in college to figure it out. :eek:

[ZYouL8R]

The good thing about that cam is it doesn't peak at 6700+ like most of the big ones.

[Lane]

I know, so I was confused why yodaddy thought with that and a cam and a tune I would only see 50, when this one guy with a 6 speed car saw 80 with only a cam. :confused:

What Cmarsh said about 6 speeds and dynos. :)

A4's, with big TC's, will show some wild HP curves and torque spikes.

[PooterWS6]

Heres a slow one:)
11.65 cam only;)
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279101

[SUX2BU]

Heres a slow one:)
11.65 cam only;)
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279101
Whats the ;) for? That really is a slow one. i was doing 11.4's @ 120 in a heavier car.

[PooterWS6]

Whats the ;) for? That really is a slow one. i was doing 11.4's @ 120 in a heavier car.
I know, i was trying to find a few of the cam only 10sec cars, ive seen a few cant find the links anymore.
I was just giving a slow example, there are much faster cars, just giving the low end of the spectrum for the haters;)

[yonson]

I guess I know what swap is instore for the Volvo next :) I have been doing some checking and I can get a complete engine/trans/computer/harness for right around $3000 :)