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Last5oh
02-05-2005, 04:20 PM
*sorry its so long, but coming from a strong Military family it really struck home*

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so.
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
Ruling by Judge William Young US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.

His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging condemnation of Reid in particular and terrorists in general:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.

That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist...And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal.

You're no big deal.

What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We are about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

ceyko
02-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Snopes confirms it...although different wording.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/reid.asp

Last5oh
02-05-2005, 04:49 PM
im glad snopes confirmed at least one of my threads

5.0_CJ
02-05-2005, 06:51 PM
Nice, thats the way you take care of business, I'm sure he will feel that long and hard for the rest of his life in prison. I'm glad I never heard about his dumb ass again, he has paid.

TexasDevilDog
02-05-2005, 06:58 PM
If he is at war with the USA, then I would like for him to name which country or organization he is fighting with. If he claims to be a combatant, then he can be held for the duration of the war or until a prisoner exchange. So, he could get life.

On the hand, if he claims to be a combatant. Was he in uniform when he was captured? No, he wasn't. That means according to the Law of Land Warfare, he is a spy and can be executed.


http://www.combatindex.com/law_of_land_warfare.html
Law of Land Warfare
CHAPTER 3
PRISONERS OF WAR
Section II. PERSONS NOT ENTITLED TO BE TREATED AS PRISONERS OF WAR
74. Necessity of Uniform
Members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict and members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces lose their right to be treated as prisoners of war whenever they deliberately conceal their status in order to pass behind the military lines of the enemy for the purpose of gathering military information or for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property. Putting on civilian clothes or the uniform of the enemy are examples of concealment of the status of a member of the armed forces.

75. Spies
a Treaty Provision.

ART. 106. Spies.--Any person who in time of war is found lurking as a spy or acting as a spy in or about any place, vessel, or aircraft, within the control or jurisdiction of any of the armed forces of the United States, or in or about any shipyard, any manufacturing or industrial plant, or any other place or institution engaged in work in aid of the prosecution of the war by the United States, or elsewhere, shall be tried by a general court-martial or by a military commission and on conviction shall be punished by death.

ALLAN
02-05-2005, 07:11 PM
I bet he is being raped as we speak.

88broncoII
02-05-2005, 07:42 PM
thats bad ass

11B2V_Mike
02-05-2005, 08:59 PM
I bet he is being raped as we speak.


LMFAO... there really is a santa :D

thesource
02-05-2005, 09:36 PM
I bet he is being raped as we speak.

Lets hope so ............

JimD
02-06-2005, 09:34 AM
I'd like to know why that fucking piece of shit is still breathing. When is our damn gov't gonna realize there is ONLY one way to deal with terrorists, and thats to Kill every god damned one of them. Instead us taxpayers get to support him/them for life. Fucking bullshit IMO! Let's just hope and pray some other convict caves his skull in.

ALLAN
02-06-2005, 10:16 AM
I'd like to know why that fucking piece of shit is still breathing. When is our damn gov't gonna realize there is ONLY one way to deal with terrorists, and thats to Kill every god damned one of them. Instead us taxpayers get to support him/them for life. Fucking bullshit IMO! Let's just hope and pray some other convict caves his skull in.


Actually...why kill a suicide bomber. Let him be gang raped in the ass by some big guys in prison. That way he can't go to his version of heaven.

OC
02-06-2005, 10:27 PM
Actually...why kill a suicide bomber. Let him be gang raped in the ass by some big guys in prison. That way he can't go to his version of heaven.

"He may be prepared to die for his cause.....but he is ill prepared to lick the jelly out of Thunder Dick's butt crack"...... Ron White(a little paraphrasing)