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TexasDevilDog
01-31-2005, 10:33 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/international/europe/31netherlands.html
Dutch Film and Art Show
By MARLISE SIMONS
Published: January 31, 2005
PARIS, Jan. 30 - Can angry young Muslims dictate what is and is not acceptable in the traditionally open-minded world of Dutch arts? In the last few weeks, it appears, the answer has been yes.
The Netherlands' main film festival, now going on in Rotterdam, canceled a showing of a short documentary denouncing violence against Muslim women that was made by Theo van Gogh, who was killed 10 weeks ago. An Islamic militant is accused of the crime.
The film's producer said he had pulled the film on the advice of the police after receiving threats.
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Some have pointed to the recent events as signs that militants are trying to impose their agenda and are undermining the constitutional right to free speech in the Netherlands. A few people have quietly asked if self-censorship might be acceptable to keep the social peace.

:eek: Is the threat of violence, all we need to get the blue states back in to line?

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The exhibition, part of a series of cultural events called Morocco-Netherlands 2005, was opened by a prominent Moroccan-born politician in Amsterdam, Alderman Ahmed Aboutaleb, who delivered a strong plea for freedom of expression. But in a sign of the times, he was accompanied by bodyguards, and he has had police protection since he received death threats from Islamic militants.
In Amsterdam, a city known for its ebullient cultural life, local people say threats to painters have not been heard since the occupation by the Nazis during World War II.

Who would have thought that Islam is starting to be perceived like Nazis?

Paladin
01-31-2005, 11:09 AM
Ask someone who's family member has been killed by a terrorist how much liberty they would now give up to have their loved one back. I bet they would be willing to give up quite a bit.

I would give up some liberty but would prefer we focus on keeping illegal immigrants out of the country and enforcing the existing laws first, then if we have to go to reducing some of our liberties, so be it.

What good does it do to have unlimited liberty but be dead?

bpawl
01-31-2005, 11:15 AM
How much liberty would you give up for security?

none

Danny
01-31-2005, 11:17 AM
"A few people have quietly asked if self-censorship might be acceptable to keep the social peace."Well, it's certainly an acceptable way to allow thuggish bastards to overtake your country and way of life.

talisman
01-31-2005, 10:32 PM
There is no way to answer that question. Personally, none. I think we're overdoing it as it is. They win either way, so what does it matter? You don't put security everywhere, there are more attacks. You do put it everywhere, wind everyone up about and irrivocably change the way we live, and they've accomplished what they set out to do to begin with. And that's whats happened since 9/11. It sucks.

thiscat2000
02-02-2005, 04:16 PM
Not one damn ounce! Give me liberty or give me death!!!

Denny
02-03-2005, 04:28 AM
I would give up everything so that my family, friends, and loved ones could have the security they deserve at no price to them. Terrorism, in no way, wins if there are people out there who are willing to make the sacrifices anyway. I don't look at it as me making sacrifices anyway. Look at this... I'm getting the experiance of a lifetime, getting pictures and stories to tell and remember, having a resume that will be worth its weight in gold for my field of work, being more financially stable than I ever could had I not taken this opportunity, coming home to a larger family, finding support and respect from people at levels I never knew were there, building relationships that never would have exsisted otherwise, and for me personally knowing that I went out and helped make a difference. I don't know how I would have thought of myself if another serious act of terrorism were to take place and all this time since September 11th, I just sat back idle.

Now when I see people making a big deal about something like this, it really makes me laugh. If I was one of the threatened artists, I'd paint a big-ass oil on canvas with a big fat finger pointed right at them saying, "I dare ya!"
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Mach1Marauder
02-03-2005, 04:47 AM
I and every military person ALREADY has given up ENOUGH liberty!
I won"t give up any!

Anyone remember this?
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,

11B2V_Mike
02-03-2005, 06:36 AM
I and every military person ALREADY has given up ENOUGH liberty!
I won"t give up any!

Anyone remember this?
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,

hell fuck yeah

sykotik489
02-11-2005, 08:59 AM
Excellent fucking quote man