How much is this computer worth? [Archive]

Nipz

01-23-2005, 12:46 PM

Lets see...

Case, $65
motherboard + processor, $230-50
memory, $130-150
HD, $60-100
9800Pro, $150-200
CD burner, $10-20

$645 if you're optimistic and go with the cheap stuff, $750 for a more realistic with quality parts. How much this computer is worth comes down to the specs on that memory and hard drive.

I would say he can sell it for $800-900. Those of us who know how to built wouldn't buy it but it is worth more than the sum of its parts to those who just want a fast running computer without a hassle. Try to get this prebuilt from one of the computer warehouses and you'll pay much more (but with a warranty).

case 57
mb was 80ish i believe
processor 217
mem 189
hb 70ish
vid card 200ish
40 bucks for the burner
55 for the ps

it really adds up fast. i put one together, almost identical last night on newegg and it was over 900 easily

Sami

01-23-2005, 12:50 PM

it really adds up fast. i put one together, almost identical last night on newegg and it was over 900 easily
Yes, it does. You could find most of the stuff (a lot?) cheaper than newegg but the computer is definately worth more than $600.

Craizie

01-23-2005, 01:38 PM

Im saying its worth $600 to a smart person, the hd is out dated and so is the proc....those huge cases arent the in thing anymore...the shuttles are...

Sami

01-23-2005, 01:42 PM

Im saying its worth $600 to a smart person, the hd is out dated and so is the proc....

A64 3200+ is outdated??? Not in that pricerange.

those huge cases arent the in thing anymore...the shuttles are...

Different strokes. I wouldn't touch the mini cases myself.

exlude

01-23-2005, 01:43 PM

Also gotta keep in mind that it was built by him and is used...devalues it significantly.

Btw, those mini form factor PCs are a hell of a deal. I just recently got an MSI 180 (case, display, mobo, powersupple, heatsink for $300). I use it for a media PC.

Nipz

01-23-2005, 02:07 PM

i WISh i could build it for 600 bucks, i just wish. but i dont know where to go to look and all that.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 02:08 PM

I refuse to get pulled into hardware threads like this, but some of the moronic things that are being spewed are laughable! A 3200+ 64bit cpu being outdated! Shuttle/mini cases being the 'in' thing, 7200rpm drives being uber slow, and for some reason "if you know what you are doing" gets you imaginery discounts in your head now.

Some quick facts:

1. A 3200+ 64bit is not outdated.
2. Mini cases are cool, but come at a price of heat and expandability. Parts are also more expensive.
3. 7200rpm drives are great for mass storage because less heat and WAY cheaper.
4. Knowing what you are doing does not decrease prices.
5. Building your own computer will not have as good a resale because there is no warranty, 9 out of 10 you didnt purchase the software legally and the person that is going to buy it is most likely going to try and con you out of what you want. I recommend ebay for selling a computer.

Thank god I do not post in these threads all the time, it would get heated!

Craizie

01-23-2005, 02:08 PM

AbecX

01-23-2005, 02:13 PM

1. no where does he say its a 64 bit amd.....he says its a 3200+ so you assumed its a 64 bit.
2. I have a shuttle that has a 64 bit 3200+ and runs a constant 40 degrees c.
3. if its a gaming computer a 7200 rpm hd will not suffice, it is good for mass storage though as you said.
4. if you know what your doing you can build your own instead of having to buy a system someone else put together and them charging extra for their time.

1. even a 3200+xp isnt out dated.
2. Try throwing in a couple of more hard drives into that thing, then do some real cpu intensive stuff beside bombarding your video card with polygon requests and tell me what your tempature hits.
3. 7200rpm will suffice in a gaming machine, games run fine on my box and I have 7200rpm 40gb drive. I've yet to see a recommend setup on a game be labeld MUST HAVE 10k RPM DRIVE TO PLAY THIS GAME,
4. Like I said before, building your own does not give you some kind of imaginery discount at teh store when you goto buy your parts.

Craizie

01-23-2005, 02:15 PM

my old 3200+ is over a year old.....thats out dated...go look up any bench marks and look where it scores

Craizie

01-23-2005, 02:18 PM

AbecX

01-23-2005, 02:25 PM

Yes it does give a discout because your paying for the hardware, not the hardware and installation. a 7200 rpm is alright, but the load times are slow. i guess if thats what you like then its fine

Why would i add more hard drives to a gaming machine, ill use my other puter for storage.
Sigh. You cant seem to understand this fact. Buying hardware from someone like newegg or some other cheap ass wholesale dealer does not give you a discount because you are knowing what you're doing. Try compiling all those exact parts and get me a total thats $600, you wont be able to do it. Even being, he built this computer three months ago, surprise, prices have changed since then! As for a 7200 rpm drive being slow, its not the RPMS that is the factor, it is the seek times. Some 7.2k drives have near or just as fast as your 10k drives and are way cheaper but granted not many.

Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.

I think he could get $700 - $900 on ebay. $500 if he were try and sell it on this joke of a site.

dmh165638

01-23-2005, 03:04 PM

As some have stated this would be a superb computer for someone who really knows nothing about building or buying a PC. Those type of people usually don't know where to find the prices that most of us do and sure don't know how to put it together. Also, anyone who you knows computers knows the Abit NF7 is a socket A Athlon XP motherboard, not an Athlon 64. It is one of the better Athlon XP motherboards for overclocking. Compare prices to what you could get local and it would easily be worth around $1k. Just a matter of finding the right person. It is pretty much what I had for my last system except I had SATA Hard drives and it would run any game at max settings in at least 1280x1024. That is not to shabby.

DarkWolf

01-23-2005, 03:59 PM

3. if its a gaming computer a 7200 rpm hd will not suffice, it is good for mass storage though as you said.
Where the did you come up with this load of bullshit?

The only time you're really going to push the limits of a 7200 and could benefit from a 10000 or 15000 rpm drive, is when you're doing some real-time broadcast or higher quality video editing, or running a huge database that's constantly in use sending/recieving/sorting data. I have yet to see any game that would come close to needing anything more than a 5400 rpm drive, let alone 7200 or more.

DarkWolf

01-23-2005, 04:01 PM

Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.
Well said.

Craizie

01-23-2005, 04:02 PM

Sigh. You cant seem to understand this fact. Buying hardware from someone like newegg or some other cheap ass wholesale dealer does not give you a discount because you are knowing what you're doing. Try compiling all those exact parts and get me a total thats $600, you wont be able to do it. Even being, he built this computer three months ago, surprise, prices have changed since then! As for a 7200 rpm drive being slow, its not the RPMS that is the factor, it is the seek times. Some 7.2k drives have near or just as fast as your 10k drives and are way cheaper but granted not many.

Your last comment is what I'm griping about, you came into this thread with a bias review, not everyone wastes a computer by playing games on it, some people actually use a computer for other usage and could care less if it displays 40trillion qabillion frames per second using 9 pci slots and water cooled 18ghz overclocked cpu.

I think he could get $700 - $900 on ebay. $500 if he were try and sell it on this joke of a site.

im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?

and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.

and he sounded like he wanted to know what price he could sell his puter for... being its used and has no warrenty like you said, im sticking with my $600 price.

Nipz

01-23-2005, 04:09 PM

this is getting fun i think, i just wanted to know what i could get from it lol. anyway i play condition zero on this computer and i have no issues what so ever so i'm just going to ignore the hd comment.

also my software was 100% legal thank you very much.

Craizie

01-23-2005, 04:12 PM

a faster hard drive and you will notice load times drop, it might not be worth it to see a 1 second drop...but still

DarkWolf

01-23-2005, 04:16 PM

When load times take 2 minutes, and a faster drive will drop it to 10 seconds... then you've got a point. But when they take 10 seconds, and a faster drive will drop it to 9.5 seconds... maybe it's just me, but I don't see the "uber" benefit.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 04:37 PM

im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?

and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.
No, I realize what you're saying regarding "Its cheaper if you know what you are doing", but what you neglect to realize is that even when you pick these parts up online, its going to be well over $600. Regardless, I understood what you were attempting to say even though you couldnt figure out how to type it out correctly.

Its not SATA that makes the drive faster, its the faster seek. SATA came into play because IDE has needed a replacement for a long time and it was starting to hit its max in data transfer.

Sami

01-23-2005, 04:47 PM

im not saying that knowing what your doing will get you a discout, im saying that if you bought the exact same puter from say dell it would cost more because they have to put it together. instead of you putting it together your self, understand?

And that's why it's worth more than the sum of its parts, warranty or not. :)

and a SATA drive will out preform that hands down i may have spoken wrong when i said the 7200 is slow im was meaning that one was.

Have you actually looked into the performance of SATA vs. IDE drives? If you think SATA is any faster then you are wrong.

exlude

01-23-2005, 08:44 PM

And that's why it's worth more than the sum of its parts, warranty or not. :)

Have you actually looked into the performance of SATA vs. IDE drives? If you think SATA is any faster then you are wrong.

It has been a trivial discussion, but fact of the matter is...SATA IS faster. It is worth the $10 over IDE, at the very least.

The general concensus is while SATA is faster, the technology is not quite there yet. But it is not HD side, it is in the actual SATA hardware (be it integrated or PCI). So it would be worthwhile to go ahead and purchase an SATA HD.

Anywho, I bet I could put the exact same computer together, with slightly used parts, for cheaper.

OurTimeIsSacred

01-23-2005, 10:01 PM

4. Like I said before, building your own does not give you some kind of imaginery discount at teh store when you goto buy your parts.

I dont know who said imaginery discounts. But when your talking about hundreds of dollars, not much more would be around 100-200 more dollars. To me anyways.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 10:51 PM

But it is not HD side, it is in the actual SATA hardware (be it integrated or PCI). So it would be worthwhile to go ahead and purchase an SATA HD.
It is all on the hard drive side, a 7200rpm 80GB 8.9ms IDE drive will run the EXACT SAME as a 7200rpm 80GB 8.9ms SATA drive. The only advantage that sata has is higher and faster throughput, but you can not take advantage of it without a drive that can keep up with the increased throughput.

Its like having a oc3 connection on a single computer, the computers hard drive and other parts would not be able to keep up with that kind of bandwidth with read and write requests so its pointless for some people to brag their machine is on a oc3 connection.

I swear I hate talking to some of the people on this site about hardware because you have to explain every little thing because they think they know what they are talking about :mad:

AbecX

01-23-2005, 10:53 PM

I dont know who said imaginery discounts. But when your talking about hundreds of dollars, not much more would be around 100-200 more dollars. To me anyways.
Imaginery discount. If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700. You people came in this thread and all of the sudden since you've put together your first computer for grandma you think that you've found a secert weapon and can get that price even cheaper because you can build it. HOW DOES BEING ABLE TO BUILD A COMPUTER YOURSELF MAKE PARTS YOU BUY ANY CHEAPER?

Nipz

01-23-2005, 10:59 PM

someone please tell me how i can build this computer for that cheap.

Edit: Sorry, piracy is not allowed here.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 11:02 PM

Aspire X-Dreamer II case - $58
520 watt 3-fan Power supply - $60
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200 - $135 - $200 ( Depends on 2x 512 or 1x 1024
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd - $70
AMD 3200+ w/ ABIT NF-7 motherboard - $200
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m - $160 ( depending on brand type )
CD Burner - $30

I didnt even include the price of the OS which runs $100+, wven doing it the cheapest way(like only using $135 for ram), it would cost you easily $720. Find me links to some cheaper pricing since you guys are so ELITE, show me how in the fuck you can build this guy's setup for $600, changing the hardware like with a biosstar mobo is not allowed, so dont try to bring in some cheap ass POS motherboard.

ThreeFingerPete

01-23-2005, 11:09 PM

well you can get rid of most of that last cost by being a student, or knowing one.

windows XP costs 20$ or something insignificant like that for the student version.

you can get Kingston HyperX ram from fry's for 169 2x512.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 11:10 PM

well you can get rid of most of that last cost by being a student, or knowing one.
Sorry, I did not include the price of OS, add that in there and its well over $800.

Tiny Tim

01-23-2005, 11:10 PM

Aspire X-Dreamer II case - $58
520 watt 3-fan Power supply - $60
Kingston 1g dual ddr 400mhz pc3200 - $135 - $200 ( Depends on 2x 512 or 1x 1024
Seagate 160gig 7200rpm hd - $70
AMD 3200+ w/ ABIT NF-7 motherboard - $200
ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128m - $160 ( depending on brand type )
CD Burner - $30
Windows XP sp2 - $100 - $300

Even doing it the cheapest way, it would cost you easily $700. Find me links to some cheaper pricing since you guys are so ELITE, show me how in the fuck you can build this guy's setup for $600, changing the hardware like with a biosstar mobo is not allowed, so dont try to bring in some cheap ass POS motherboard.
You can't. Besides, some of them don't seem to realize that Newgg etc. are still making a profit off of them. Dell gets their hardware a lot cheaper than the average consumer ever will. Let me see. What will be cheaper by the unit? 10,000 processors bought in a single bulk purchase or 1 processor bought in a purchase?

ThreeFingerPete

01-23-2005, 11:13 PM

sorry cruz, i didn't bother to do the math on that one, to see that you hadn't included it.

if you HAVE to buy everything at once, it'd be VERY hard to get it below 700$

if you can pick and choose, and aren't in a hurry at all, you can Certainly save some money by picking up on the 'loss leader' sales.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 11:15 PM

if you can pick and choose, and aren't in a hurry at all, you can Certainly save some money by picking up on the 'loss leader' sales.
I'm not going to sit here and say that you couldnt make it cheaper, but its not going to be $600 worth of hardware. Hell, even if you go with the cheap shit, all off brand crap, you're still going to be spending around $650.

The point is, no one on this site would be able to build the original persons computer for $600, no matter if you are so awesome you can build computers yourself or if your are some jack ass like me that doesn't give a shit.

Tiny Tim

01-23-2005, 11:18 PM

I would say he could sell it for the price of the hardware. Just due to the fact that the computer is 'used' and the unit itself doesn't not carry a warranty.

Craizie

01-23-2005, 11:40 PM

I'm not going to sit here and say that you couldnt make it cheaper, but its not going to be $600 worth of hardware. Hell, even if you go with the cheap shit, all off brand crap, you're still going to be spending around $650.

The point is, no one on this site would be able to build the original persons computer for $600, no matter if you are so awesome you can build computers yourself or if your are some jack ass like me that doesn't give a shit.

ok, im not saying you can buy all that BRAND FUCKIGN NEW for $600 he asked how much his puter was worth, it being USED drops its vaule....

for a smart person you really are stupid, you assume alot of things.

AbecX

01-23-2005, 11:50 PM

ok, im not saying you can buy all that BRAND FUCKIGN NEW for $600 he asked how much his puter was worth, it being USED drops its vaule....

for a smart person you really are stupid, you assume alot of things.
Ok, lets say since all the stuff he has is used. Even going the cheap route, he should take well over $100 off for it being used.

That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?

Roliath

01-23-2005, 11:58 PM

I believe the thread starter got his question answered, so could you please lock this or close it or something.

Tiny Tim

01-24-2005, 12:01 AM

That being said, you're intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?Maybe. Depends on the buyer mostly. I wouldn't buy it for more than 600 dollars. The few hundred dollars that I would have to spend to purchase everything new would be more appealing than buying a used computer.

exlude

01-24-2005, 08:50 AM

Ok, lets say since all the stuff he has is used. Even going the cheap route, he should take well over $100 off for it being used.

That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would take a pc that cost $720 - $900 to build and ask $600 for it?

That being said, your intelligence is at stake here, do you think someone in the right state of mind would buy a pc that cost $720 to build, has been used, and pay $900 for it?

You said so yourself to pay around $600 for it (even though that's cheaper than I think). $720-$100...?

Sami

01-24-2005, 09:20 AM

Not everyone knows how to built computers. Add in the cost of buying the parts, and in case you bought it online and get a faulty part also the cost to return it. That's why I hardly ever buy motherboards or memory online, it gets more expensive because of the shipping charges back and forth.

To someone who doesn't know how to built one (and we who do are in the minority) that computer is worth much more than $600. You'd pay double or triple from Dell/HP/Compaq/Gateway. It being used (barely) is hardly a factor if the seller has receipts (there would then be warranty on parts).

Nipz

01-24-2005, 10:39 AM

the whole thing was 933 bucks, then a month later i upgraded ram to 1g dual ddr kingston(2 x 512), $189. i sold the 512 stick taht i had in there for 55 bucks. so the total in the computer what i paid is $1067. Everything i bought was from Newegg, except the ram upgrade was from fry's. anyway, the whole discussion about who can build a cheaper computer can be taken elsewhere, this thread was not intended for this. i understand if i'm lucky i could find someone to pay 1000. for someone who builds computers,between 600-700. ok thank you for answering my questions.

OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 09:40 PM

Imaginery discount. If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700. You people came in this thread and all of the sudden since you've put together your first computer for grandma you think that you've found a secert weapon and can get that price even cheaper because you can build it. HOW DOES BEING ABLE TO BUILD A COMPUTER YOURSELF MAKE PARTS YOU BUY ANY CHEAPER?

I didnt say that it would make parts cheaper. You made my point. "If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700." So there we agree.

Craizie

01-24-2005, 09:57 PM

How Does Being Able To Build A Computer Yourself Make Parts You Buy Any Cheaper?

Because You Dont Have To Pay Someone To Put It In

AbecX

01-24-2005, 10:25 PM

I didnt say that it would make parts cheaper. You made my point. "If you go and do the research on buying all the gear that the guy has in his computer it would cost between $650 - $700." So there we agree.
Why dont you try reading ahead. I added all the parts up, it was well over $700. You're low ball thought of $600 for all the parts is ludacris. Your point is not valid.

AbecX

01-24-2005, 10:26 PM

How Does Being Able To Build A Computer Yourself Make Parts You Buy Any Cheaper?

Because You Dont Have To Pay Someone To Put It In
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OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 10:35 PM

Why dont you try reading ahead. I added all the parts up, it was well over $700. You're low ball thought of $600 for all the parts is ludacris. Your point is not valid.
How about read what i said.......Seeings how i didnt say 600$, I said not much more than 600$...dealing with hundreds of dollars...700-750$ is not that much more than 600$.

Hunt4m3x

01-24-2005, 10:35 PM

;ausgafou ga;iofbguiaos djadf;jkglfj adsgd AWU AGDSI'HGDSANHPI'A

/me points to the door.

leave the thread cruz.

AbecX

01-24-2005, 10:38 PM

700-750$ is not that much more than 600$.
BUAHHAHAHAHA

OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 10:41 PM

BUAHHAHAHAHA
:p call me a dumbass...but i stand by my thoughts. Not having money, its holds less value. Soo it all depends on how you look at it.

Also i never saw anyone say you cant use "backed up software" .

2fast4u

01-24-2005, 10:42 PM

r we there yet ?

AbecX

01-24-2005, 10:47 PM

:p call me a dumbass...but i stand by my thoughts. Not having money, its holds less value. Soo it all depends on how you look at it.

Also i never saw anyone say you cant use "backed up software" .
I used $134 on the ram, if you were to buy the ram he used, thats another $50 bring to almost $800. You people are fucking morons, $600 for a computer that would cost you almost $800 ( not including software ). I'm so fucking smart, you ass clowns need to shut the fuck up and learn from me instead of trying to be dipshits and say $600 and $750 are the same. Fucking idiots.

Hunt4m3x

01-24-2005, 10:49 PM

I used $134 on the ram, if you were to buy the ram he used, thats another $50 bring to almost $800. You people are fucking morons, $600 for a computer that would cost you almost $800 ( not including software ). I'm so fucking smart, you ass clowns need to shut the fuck up and learn from me instead of trying to be dipshits and say $600 and $750 are the same. Fucking idiots.

HOLY SHIT, BAHAHA. Check sig!

OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 10:52 PM

If you know what you are doing, you could build that for not too much more than 600

Never said strictly 600$........SEE ^^ not too much more
so 750$ and 600$ are indeed not the same...but are not too far off.

So thats another $50 bring to almost $800. Meaning that its not more than 800.....being that its around my price posted.

AbecX

01-24-2005, 11:00 PM

Never said strictly 600$........SEE ^^ not too much more
so 750$ and 600$ are indeed not the same...but are not too far off.

So thats another $50 bring to almost $800. Meaning that its not more than 800.....being that its around my price posted.
Jesus, I finally relaized the problem, 1986 was the year you were born. No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year. Grow up before you try and debate with me, kid.

OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 11:05 PM

Jesus, I finally relaized the problem, 1986 was the year you were born. No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year. Grow up before you try and debate with me, kid.

Ouch. An insult on my age. Ill let you have that seeings as how you don't know me, that really means shit to me. So keep your narrow minded ideas and thoughts and have fun. As for "No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year." I'm glad you hold money in such high regard and give it such importance that comparing it to any amount is such something to argue about. Just like the rest of corperate america. Sorry but money isn't anything to hold of value. Unless your materialistic. Which may explain everything.

lucky_topher

01-24-2005, 11:10 PM

a lot of toolishness in this fucking thread...

the problem with being able to build your own computer.. is that once some zitfaced home-every-friday-night 16 year old pieces together a system from the fry's sale flyer... he thinks he's a GD genius... just like the guy who plugs his cable into the new TV and says he can install your home theater

buying the parts and building them yourself does not "save" you any money... you spend what you want... of course you don't pay for install.. no one buys all the parts then takes them to someone else and goes "here.. i'm smart enough to buy the stuff i want but too fucking stupid to put it together... oh and take a couple hundred for the work"...

you either build your own, or buy pre-built

either way, the price of that system is not worth any more or any less because of how it was built or by whom....

crazie, you're allowed to talk about computers again when you can prove your knowledge... and spending $250 on a watercooling system to bump it from a 1.4ghz to a 1.43ghz ...

lucky_topher

01-24-2005, 11:11 PM

so 750$ and 600$ are indeed not the same...but are not too far off.

okay.. well, i'm looking at buying somethign for my car.. it costs $750, and i only have $600... i think i'll go in tomorrow and tell them to sell it to me cuz it's not too far off...

if he has issues with that, i'll just come get you to make up the difference...

ya know, since it's not too far off and all

AbecX

01-24-2005, 11:12 PM

Ouch. An insult on my age. Ill let you have that seeings as how you don't know me, that really means shit to me. So keep your narrow minded ideas and thoughts and have fun. As for "No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year." I'm glad you hold money in such high regard and give it such importance that comparing it to any amount is such something to argue about. Just like the rest of corperate america. Sorry but money isn't anything to hold of value. Unless your materialistic. Which may explain everything.
What the fuck are you talking about? You're going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with anything. Your clear disregard for $150 to be an insignificant amount of change is hilarious, and the only reason someone your age would think that is because you're to inexperienced in life to realize that $150 is a healthy chunk of change, especially in computer world.

Come back to this thread in a few years after you've moved out of your parents house, got your own place and then try to tell me $150 isnt that big of a difference but before that time, please dont try to get in on a discussion with your gaming computer an your home building pc skillz as your only ally.

Roliath

01-24-2005, 11:13 PM

quit acking like whiney little bitches, and drop the subject already.

lucky_topher

01-24-2005, 11:15 PM

Ouch. An insult on my age. Ill let you have that seeings as how you don't know me, that really means shit to me. So keep your narrow minded ideas and thoughts and have fun. As for "No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year." I'm glad you hold money in such high regard and give it such importance that comparing it to any amount is such something to argue about. Just like the rest of corperate america. Sorry but money isn't anything to hold of value. Unless your materialistic. Which may explain everything.

weeeeeeeeeeee this is fun....

money isn't anything to hold of value?

1) english please
2) money is directly related to value
3) 'your' should be "you're".. and don't use the "i'm not in english class" bullshit.. it directly relates to your level of schooling and intelligence (as if this thread didn't prove enough)
4) yes it's an insult to your age.. if you're 19, you don't have enough knowledge, i don't care what you say... ever hooked up a network w/ coax via dos commands? or do you only know about GUIs...

go do us a favor and return yourself to the hardware store because you're not only a tool, but a cheap, inferior one at that

lucky_topher

01-24-2005, 11:17 PM

quit acking like whiney little bitches, and drop the subject already.

when the kids try to think they're smart

drop it like it's hot, drop it like it's hot

when the smart ones prove you're dumb as fuck

fuck off like it's hot, fuck off like it's hot

when the idjit gets an attitude

it proves he's dumb as fuck, proves he's dumb as fuck

Roliath

01-24-2005, 11:18 PM

okay??
this thread got totally off subject, the thread starter got the answer he wanted.
So why not just drop the subject?

Hunt4m3x

01-24-2005, 11:20 PM

okay??
this thread got totally off subject, the thread starter got the answer he wanted.
So why not just drop the subject?

Lol good luck :P grab some popcorn.

Roliath

01-24-2005, 11:21 PM

will do

OurTimeIsSacred

01-24-2005, 11:24 PM

Come back to this thread in a few years after you've moved out of your parents house, got your own place and then try to tell me $150 isnt that big of a difference but before that time, please dont try to get in on a discussion with your gaming computer an your home building pc skillz as your only ally.

Lucky for you...I dont live with my parents, make my own keep, and have more than just a little bit of home pc skillz as an ally. But w/e you say is right I guess b/c your older and OBVIOUSLY know more about life and living it. So as for in a few years......i wont be here b/c i wont spend the rest of my life on here. As for now..only still in highschool i have lil less than nothing to do on school night.

Ktulu

01-25-2005, 12:03 AM

the exact product total with out the OS
from NewEgg
Product total: $677.00

with that said... i wouldnt pay more than $600 for it.
now thats not saying that some one else wouldnt pay more for it.

OurTimeIsSacred

01-25-2005, 12:08 AM

AbecX

01-25-2005, 12:25 AM

the exact product total with out the OS
from NewEgg
Product total: $677.00

with that said... i wouldnt pay more than $600 for it.
now thats not saying that some one else wouldnt pay more for it.
WRONG.

Without software and using the exact shit this person has in there setup, this is also minus a cd burner and some of the misc stuff:

Total (Before tax): $ 801.30

ASPIRE X-DREAMER II Yellow ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, Model "ATXB4KLW/350" -RETAIL Item# N82E16811144024 $57.00

Seagate 160GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST3160023A-RK, Retail
Item# N82E16822148031 $109.00

Kingston HyperX (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200
Item# N82E16820144114 $229.00

ABIT "NF7-S2" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket A CPU - Retail
Item# N82E16813127185 $59.00

Codegen 500W ATX Power Supply For AMD/ Intel, Model "PS-500" -RETAIL
Item# N82E16817161002 $45.50

AMD Athlon XP 3200+ "Barton", 400MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM
Item# N82E16819103391 $184.00

POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9800SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R98E-SC3" Item# N82E16814131292R $117.80

Ktulu

01-25-2005, 12:31 AM

Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)

One Day Sale, Ends 1/25/2005 5:30 PM PST
Aspire X-Dreamer II(Black) ATX Mid-Tower Case with 550W Power Supply, With Window, Model "ATXB4KLW-BK/350"
$54.00

Lite-On Black 52X32X52 CD-RW Drive, Model LTR-52327S, OEM
$22.50

Seagate 160GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST3160021A, OEM Drive Only
$88.50

Kingston ValueRAM Dual Channel Kit 184 Pin 1G(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail
$147.00

ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU - Retail
$82.00

AMD Athlon XP 2800+ "Barton", 333MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM
$103.00

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON "9800 Atlantis" Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "1024-2C47" -OEM
$180.00

Total (Before tax): $677.00

AbecX

01-25-2005, 12:36 AM

Where is the item number on that case, the one I found does not include a 550watt power supply. even the part number says 350 which is what its supposed to come with.

AbecX

01-25-2005, 12:38 AM

Sweet, those are the cases we use at work, I think I'm going to buy one. Send me the link for the one with the 550watt power supply.

OurTimeIsSacred

01-25-2005, 12:59 AM

Heh. Whoever is right here, let it be you, idc.......i was just using this convo as an outlet.
so w/e right, wrong......have fun.
congrats with the new case.

lucky_topher

01-25-2005, 06:55 AM

Damn...thats even closer to 600$ than 750$ is. Which is closer to the "Not much more than 600$" stated as before. Without OS like I said also.
"Why dont you try reading ahead. I added all the parts up, it was well over $700. "

um.. no

the difference between 600 and 750 is 150... simple math.. now cut that in half (still simple math) and you get 75... 75 is the half-way point between the two... so 675 is the halfway point between 600 and 750...

now call me crazy, but 677 is higher than 675 (maybe only by two, but it's still higher)... which makes it even closer to 750 than 600, although you seem to find that it's closer to 600 than 750.... therefore "not much less than 750" would be more accurate than "not much more than 600"... and personally.. 75 bucks is still enough for me to take note of as a difference.. a lot of things can be done for 75 bucks...

also... i'm gonna bet that not a single one of you included shipping.. which for all those goodies (a case included) you're easily looking at another 20 bucks if not more....

Ktulu

01-25-2005, 09:11 AM

Sweet, those are the cases we use at work, I think I'm going to buy one. Send me the link for the one with the 550watt power supply.

damnit cruz your not supposed to knotice that! :D i wanted to keep it under $700

$722 with powersupply

Sami

01-25-2005, 09:38 AM

POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9800SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R98E-SC3" Item# N82E16814131292R $117.80

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON "9800 Atlantis" Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "1024-2C47" -OEM
$180.00

On top of everything, the video card is a 9800Pro, not 9800SE or 9800 Atlantis. Both are inferior products to 9800Pro which should go for $200+ new.

Kingston ValueRAM Dual Channel Kit 184 Pin 1G(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail
$147.00
Hmmm, CL3 memory... :)

The original poster needs to post some specs/model# on the memory he had.

Ktulu

01-25-2005, 10:26 AM

On top of everything, the video card is a 9800Pro, not 9800SE or 9800 Atlantis. Both are inferior products to 9800Pro which should go for $200+ new.

Hmmm, CL3 memory... :)

The original poster needs to post some specs/model# on the memory he had.

yup to many factors to guess.

Craizie

01-25-2005, 10:43 AM

um.. no

the difference between 600 and 750 is 150... simple math.. now cut that in half (still simple math) and you get 75... 75 is the half-way point between the two... so 675 is the halfway point between 600 and 750...

now call me crazy, but 677 is higher than 675 (maybe only by two, but it's still higher)... which makes it even closer to 750 than 600, although you seem to find that it's closer to 600 than 750.... therefore "not much less than 750" would be more accurate than "not much more than 600"... and personally.. 75 bucks is still enough for me to take note of as a difference.. a lot of things can be done for 75 bucks...

also... i'm gonna bet that not a single one of you included shipping.. which for all those goodies (a case included) you're easily looking at another 20 bucks if not more....

not to butt heads with you, but shipping on the original equipment is not a factor on the resale. and alos the $600 wasnet for brand new stuff, considering it is 3 months old i bet its resale is still closer to $600 then $750.

Sami

01-25-2005, 10:51 AM

not to butt heads with you, but shipping on the original equipment is not a factor on the resale.
Of course it is, just like sales tax. Or should we calculate how much those parts would cost in Asia where they are made? They are a bunch cheaper there but what matters is how much you can get them for.

Tiny Tim

01-25-2005, 11:11 AM

Jesus, I finally relaized the problem, 1986 was the year you were born. No fucking moron would ever consider $750+ even remotely close to $600 unless they made $1,000,000's a year. Grow up before you try and debate with me, kid.I don't make $1,000,000 a year and I don't consider $150 a huge difference. It's ony $150. I can spend that much during a weekend on food and entertainment. It is more how you choose to spend your money.

Tiny Tim

01-25-2005, 11:21 AM

I don't really understand why there is all this arguing. The price is all in the eyes of the buyer. He could sell it to someone for $1500. If the buyer believed that they made a good deal then both parties will be happy.

Obviously the target market for this PC is not going to be someone who builds computers on their own. There is no added benefit other than the parts being a bit cheaper because they are used. The added benefit would go to someone who doesn't have the ability to build computers. They would be willing to pay more than a computer savvy person would because the computer savvy person could do the shit on their own.

btw.

'YOUR' is possesive.
'YOU'RE' is 'you are'.
And there is a difference between 'then' and 'than'

Nipz

01-25-2005, 12:01 PM

OK, this is what i have, and this is what i paid, if i paid otherwise i will specify.

Aspire X-Dreamer II(Black) ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, With Window, Model "ATXB4KLW-BK/350"
Item# N82E16811144026 $54.00..when i bought it was 57

Seagate 160GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST3160021A, OEM Drive Only $88.50

Kingston HyperX (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Model KHX3200AK2/1G $229.00....i paid 189.99 special at fry's.

ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU - Retail
$82.00

AMD Athlon XP 3200+ "Barton", 400MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail $195.00...i paid 217

ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL $229.00

Aspire 520W 12V Black Triple Fan Aluminum Power Supply, Model "ATX-AS520W BLACK" -RETAIL $59.00 i believe i paid 55

Microsoft Windows XP HOME Edition With Service Pack 2 -OEM
$92.95

Total with those components w/ OS = 1027.45 Before Tax, before shipping.
Only other thing on the computer i spent money on is Norton Internet Security, includes anti-virus, spam blocker, and internet security. was like 70 bucks. so total was $1097.45 and some change.

Argue all you want, these are the pieces i have in my computer, some of the prices vary a little as i corrected above. if you can build this computer for cheaper, then do it and good for you. i appreciate the people that answered my questions. thank you.

P.S. the reason i was asking how much it was worth is because i'm going to college this fall and i wanted to build a more student based pc.

AbecX

01-25-2005, 12:21 PM

Alright, I think we all got everything we needed answered. Thanks nipz :p

Ktulu

01-25-2005, 12:27 PM

Just for arguments sake and to keep me entertained I wouldn’t pay more than $600 :p

Sami

01-25-2005, 01:27 PM

I don't really understand why there is all this arguing.
Sometimes it's fun to just argue... ;)

Sami

01-25-2005, 01:30 PM

P.S. the reason i was asking how much it was worth is because i'm going to college this fall and i wanted to build a more student based pc.
Something like this then: http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2005/01/21/8170.html

Or actually as a male student, all you need is this: http://www.dr-zeller.com/00Images/Fun/a_mens_keyboard.jpg

OurTimeIsSacred

01-25-2005, 04:26 PM

Sometimes it's fun to just argue... ;)

especially when your pissed about something you cant do anything about. :rolleyes: :p

Nipz

01-25-2005, 05:14 PM

o lordy lordy. shall i start a arguing thread?

Hunt4m3x

01-25-2005, 05:49 PM

I have 31337 home pc makin skillz.

Nipz

01-25-2005, 07:39 PM

I have 31337 home pc makin skillz.

your petty home pc makin skillz do NOT compare to my bowstaff skillz. i'de show you but my lips hurt real bad, can you bring me some chapstick.

Gtwannabe

01-25-2005, 07:46 PM

First its 1337 - and repeating in public only shows that you compare online gaming lingo to actual real world skills.

Second, please never ever advertise your great and powerful networking skills when referencing DOS and coax. If you can't at least configure vlan trunking on Cisco routers from a hyperterminal session , I don't want to hear about the fantasy you have about being a network god.

On to the topic at hand, the computer is worth different things to different people. I can't believe this has gone on for 2 pages. Just whip it out, throw it on the table, and move on with it.

Its bad enough you spent money on this computer that you didn't even need, but you went even further to upgrade it and no try to dump to build another.

Here's a concept for you, you will lose money selling used equipment. How much depends on the buyer, but only an idea would pay full price for used HW.

The incredible part it that you spent 1000 on a PC just to turn around and get rid of it. If you are going off to school, then keep the computer, why bother selling it, you are goign to spend the same money building another one anyways.

Lets take a look at a couple of things here:
Case, not bad choice, good for expandablility.
-however, why spend money on extra Pwr Sup.?
Did you realy think you would max out the 350? Thats a joke. Kinda like putting commerical A/C units in a 3 bedroom house...never make use of its potential.

Technology grows....evolves, and gives us things like:
all-in-one motherboards that include most required components.
Combo drives for playing/burning DVDs and CDs
You basically wasted that money right off, none of your components will ever draw that much, heck you went as far as to only get a CD player. I'd spend that cash wasted on the "super" pwr. sup. and upgraded to a DVD burner.

The ram was a decent choice for gaming but you must not care for that, as you are planning on getting a new PC for college....

The big waste I see (which hints at you end-user back ground) is the CPU
$217.....what a waste. You'd been better off buying a mobile 2500 and OC'ing
It'd be unlocked and be a premium part. In fact the same chip as the 3200, only handpicked for its superiority.

The biggest mistake here was follow-through. If you had planned ahead, you could have gotten what you need the first time, and kept it. Then you wouldn't be considering selling it.

For the record, you'd saved money buying the same thing from HP (they use AMD)
I just spec'd a desktop online for 824 (after tax) that matched yours.
+XP PRO (yours shows only home ed.)
+speakers
+keyboard and mouse
+CDRW/DVD combo
+1 yr warranty
+works suite
-9800 (they only had Nvidia options)

*note, if you added the 9800 (200+/-) you'd still have spent the same money with the extras. It was simply careless shopping on your part. Everyone is defending the price on overpriced pourly match equipment.

Retail computers are dirt cheap right now. The current margins are less than 10% (even with their super duper vendor discounts) Thats why the big three are moving towards other HW and SW as well.

You're probably kicking yourself fo not buying the shuttle XPC right?
For less money, you'd had a better machine:
Everything you have
+cosmetically more attractive
+Spaciously more considerable (for college dorm unquestionably a plus)

The components you have, would not have caused heat concerns in the XPC either. What a farce that is. My XPC runs at 39*C under full load.

This isn't the stone age, heat can be controlled. The 50 fans shoved on half the computers I see, are fighting with each other. Do a smoke/fog test and see how well yours handles airflow. In-case aerodynamics are import.

I've said my piece, take it or leave, but for the rest of us, quit whining about somebody elses value of a used product. I'd never buy it used, for more than 500.

Big shock, thats less than what it costs to buy it......oh my......!!
From my perspective, he's a noobie, who bought it for gaming, likely tried his had at OC'ing something and possibly broke it. Selling after 3 months only makes it seem worse.

At 500, the risk might be worth it for parts alone. He can't sell his license XP so that's out of the picture as far as price is concerned.