Bush haters.

[Craizie]

Thousands of people in dozens of cities across the nation walked out of work and school, held mock coronations, intoned the names of the Iraq (news - web sites) war dead and held candlelight vigils to show their disapproval of President Bush (news - web sites) as he was sworn in for his second term.


From Bridgewater, Mass., to San Francisco, the protesters carried a similar message Thursday, deploring the war in Iraq, angry about the Patriot Act and concerned about the next four years.


"The administration thinks it's got a mandate to continue its policies," said David Williams, a 49-year-old construction company owner from Oakland, Calif., who wore a T-shirt to the San Francisco march with Bush's picture and the description, "International Terrorist."


"This is my way of saying, 'I don't think so.' The Bush administration has no respect for human rights outside the United States and they have no respect for people anywhere else in the world," he said.


Crowds were larger than organizers expected in some communities — more than 1,500 people took to the streets of New Orleans in a "jazz funeral of democracy," an event that took on the appearance of a lugubrious Mardi Gras ball, a raucous street protest, Halloween freak show and traditional New Orleans jazz funeral rolled into one.


About 1,000 people rallied in Seattle, more than 2,000 in Portland, Ore., and several thousand gathered in downtown San Francisco, where protesters waved signs and carried banners with slogans such as "Not Our President," "Drop Bush Not Bombs," and "Hail To The Thief."
There were dozens of smaller rallies, marches and walkouts as well. Two hundred protesters filled a city block marching through downtown Atlanta, 150 marched on the state capitol in Lincoln, Neb., and in Denver, several hundred demonstrators were joined at the state Capitol by a group of women wearing witches' hats who chanted "We've been under a spell." The crowd cheered when they added "But we are waking up."


In Santa Cruz, Calif., about 250 marchers followed a 20-foot-tall Statue of Liberty puppet to the Town Clock in a demonstration where former Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern was the featured speaker.


Many demonstrators said the protests were galvanizing, a way to motivate anti-Bush activists.


"We need to build a massive movement for change in this country because it's going to be a bleak four years," said Margo Polley, an organizer with Not in Our Name, which sponsored rallies at the federal courthouse in Seattle.


Besides those in Washington, D.C., there were few arrests — one in Seattle, and another in Portland, Ore., where clusters of Bush supporters got into shouting matches with protesters as they marched by.


But hundreds clashed with police in the nation's capital at the inaugural parade. Gary Gillespie, an activist in Baltimore, said he had planned to travel the 35 miles for the larger demonstrations, but decided "local action" was important.


Many demonstrators said they deliberately avoided watching or listening to the inauguration.

"I missed the whole thing, thank goodness," said Pat Neary, 62, a real estate agent who joined about 50 people gathered on the snowy town common in Bridgewater, Mass.



I think they should be shot for treason. The dems. cry about everything when they dont get their way.

[Danny]

History will show them to be idiots.

Eradicating terrorism is a big project, I'm glad we have a president who is willing to take on the battle. It's not fun, it's not pretty, it's not glorious. But it is necessary if you consider it a right to have a safe place to sleep at night. Wrong forum. :)

[STANGGT40]

hmmm i think that this belongs in the politcal forum...;)

[TexasDevilDog]

I am starting to be against this "War on Terrorism". I think the president is being too diplomatic about the whole damn thing, so we can keep getting the oil. I understand, but damn, we better get our heads out of our asses and put together some policies (Energy, foriegn relations with Russia, China, India) or we will be one big happy theocracy.

[Paladin]

They do a story about 10,000 people all across the country who protested Bush and his policies? Man, it must have been a slow day because I am sure that is not some left wing reporter drumming up anti-Bush rhetoric.

Is it really a big deal that a few thousand people protested? I didn't see a story about protestor's during Clinton's inauguration, but then again I wasn't looking either.

[exlude]

They do a story about 10,000 people all across the country who protested Bush and his policies? Man, it must have been a slow day because I am sure that is not some left wing reporter drumming up anti-Bush rhetoric.

Is it really a big deal that a few thousand people protested? I didn't see a story about protestor's during Clinton's inauguration, but then again I wasn't looking either.

I don't know if that's big or not, doesn't seem like it would be.

But stories about Bush and his opponents sell. Especially with such heated elections, both bush supporters and haters love to read about it.

[Paladin]

I don't know if that's big or not, doesn't seem like it would be.

But stories about Bush and his opponents sell. Especially with such heated elections, both bush supporters and haters love to read about it.


I hadn't really thought about it like that. I guess both sides read about it even if it is for very different reasons.

I guess I am coming from a different point of view, when I went from being a Clinton supporter to being a Clinton hater I never took pleasure or solace in knowing he was continuing to screw up.

[AL P]

I was just LMAO at the film clips of the protestors on the news. Lots of trashy looking hippies, punks with mohawks and older dirtbags. IE, the bottom feeders of society. And these people wonder why no one agrees with them!!!

[SS Junk]

I think the president is being too diplomatic about the whole damn thing, so we can keep getting the oil.
Proof or just a blowhard theory?

[TexasDevilDog]

Proof or just a blowhard theory?

When I type the words, "I think" in to a sentence, I am conveying that it is my opinon.

If the president came out 2.5 - 3 years ago and said that Islam was a religion of hate filled messages, intolerance and guile, we would be in the embioled in WW 3.

We will never win, until we understand the enemy.

[SS Junk]

When I type the words, "I think" in to a sentence, I am conveying that it is my opinon.


I saw the words, "I think.." but I've also read a thousand times before how this war is for oil. Perhaps I should reword my question and ask you why you think we are over there for oil?
If the president came out 2.5 - 3 years ago and said that Islam was a religion of hate filled messages, intolerance and guile, we would be in the embioled in WW 3.
Not sure how this has anything to do with my question.
We will never win, until we understand the enemy.
Is this another one of those "I think.." statements? What makes you think we don't understand the enemy?

[TexasDevilDog]

Perhaps I should reword my question and ask you why you think we are over there for oil?

I didn't say we were over there for oil, nor do I believe that the US is in Iraq for oil, right now.

Not sure how this has anything to do with my question.

I added the statement to support my blowhard theory.

Is this another one of those "I think.." statements? What makes you think we don't understand the enemy?

We will never win (war on terror), because we, americans, don't understand nor do we want to hear the truth about what motivates the enemy. It is the same reasons, why there will never be a solution to the Israeli Palistinian problem, as long Israel exists.

[AL P]

We will never win (war on terror), because we, americans, don't understand nor do we want to hear the truth about what motivates the enemy. It is the same reasons, why there will never be a solution to the Israeli Palistinian problem, as long Israel exists.

There won't be a solution to the Palestinian problem because there are factions of the Palestinians who won't LET there be a solution. Nothing is going to happen until the Palestinians hold the radical elements of their society accountable for their actions. Meaning they are going to have to form a modern society and rid themselves of the problem instead of living in the religious fantasyland they currently do. The current system includes a wink and nudge and a public condemnation everytime a suicide bomber blows himself up. Then the Israelis come in and blow the piss out of some Hamas idiots. Then repeat. And its not going to stop.

Take that concept and apply it to the entire middle east and you have a solution.

[SS Junk]

I didn't say we were over there for oil, nor do I believe that the US is in Iraq for oil, right now.
:confused:
I am starting to be against this "War on Terrorism". I think the president is being too diplomatic about the whole damn thing, [b]so we can keep getting the oil.[b]
Please explain.
I added the statement to support my blowhard theory.
Then you aren't making any kind of sense. How does a president speaking anti muslim statments have anything to do with Iraqi oil?
We will never win (war on terror), because we, americans, don't understand nor do we want to hear the truth about what motivates the enemy. It is the same reasons, why there will never be a solution to the Israeli Palistinian problem, as long Israel exists.
I believe this is yet another one of your blowhard theories or opinions. Take your pick. Seems as though you take yourself for having more of a grip on this situation than our government. What do you think motivates the enemy? Why is it our government allegedly does not listen or learn about the enemy?
As far as the Israel/Palestine problem.. that war has been going on for thousands of years. The two nations couldn't exist w/out their holywar.

[TexasDevilDog]

:confused:

Please explain.

Bush is being to apologeticly deplomatic so, we can keep getting the oil.

Bush's diplomacy is about keeping the oil coming, this has nothing to do with the military or the war.

I am saying ,Diplomacy = Keep getting oil
I am not saying, Going to war = take the oil

Damn, reading comprehension goes a long way. I am not explaing myself again, if you still don't get it. Fine. Just keep thinking -> TDD thinks bush is killing rag heads for oil.

I believe this is yet another one of your blowhard theories or opinions. Take your pick. Seems as though you take yourself for having more of a grip on this situation than our government.

I didn't say anything about the government, I said Americans. Maybe the government does understand, and I bet they do know, what is fueling the hatred towards us and the rest of the world, but guess what, I don't think that the government will come out and say it.

[TexasDevilDog]

:confused:
What do you think motivates the enemy?

Simple, the Qur'an.

There I said it. I'm a bigot and a hater. I get all kinds of "he's intolerate". That is another reason why our government won't say it. The same reason around the world, when a muslim attacks someone else, it is called freedom fighters, revolutionaries, jihad, when anyone attacks a mulsim, they are being oppressed. The government can't fight that mind set.

Why is it our government allegedly does not listen or learn about the enemy?

They probably know the answer too, like I said above, but they can't say it. There would be hell to pay, figuritively speaking. The world would blow up in to WW 3. Why, you can't say that about us! (from Muslims) JIHAD! JIHAD!. No oil will be sold to infidels!

Islams is as peaceful as a Piranha schooling around in a lazy river and as tolerate as the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

As far as the Israel/Palestine problem.. that war has been going on for thousands of years. The two nations couldn't exist w/out their holywar.

1st, 1,000s of years, wrong. Islam started offically, in 622 when Muhammad was chased out of Mecca. He started Jihad and eight years later captured Mecca. Mecca was a great trade city and was a stopping place for merchants and businessmen of all races, religions (Christians, Jews and others), and countries. In general, it was open to the world.

How wrong you are to say they can't exist without their holywar. History.

The jewish religion has a written history that spans several thousand years. (Ask JC, he knows for sure).

The Israeli Palestinian conflict main sticking point is in the Qur'an. The world into two spheres: Dar al-Islam (land of Islam), where Islamic law applied, and Dar al-Harb (land of war), where the absence of Islamic law presumably fostered anarchy and immorality. Land the becomes Dar al-Islam, can never fall to the infidels.

Israel gives concession after concession in the peace talks to get the Palestinians to give in the points Israel wants, Jerusalem as its capital and for them, Arabs and Palestinians, to acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

But the Palestinians cant do that. That would be afront to Allah to allow the Infidels to keep the Dar al-islam. So, no matter how much land Israel gives up, if they have any land at all, it is wrong.

[Trip McNeely]

Wow, there cant be that much of an opposition. He won the election both electoral and popular. hmmmmmmm.... And like Al said above, its the dregs of society that are protesting. They're so content on being "non-conformists" :rolleyes:

[SS Junk]

Bush is being to apologeticly deplomatic so, we can Damn, reading comprehension goes a long way. I am not explaing myself again, if you still don't get it. Fine. Just keep thinking -> TDD thinks bush is killing rag heads for oil.
That's quite a hefty explanation over, "so we can keep getting the oil..."
Maybe if you would step off your ego and realize you were not being clear on that theory which, before your lengthy explanation, had a state of blowhardedness to it you would realize people cannot read your mind. I then yeild to your obscurity and even reworded my question for my sake... :rolleyes:


I didn't say anything about the government, I said Americans. Maybe the government does understand, and I bet they do know, what is fueling the hatred towards us and the rest of the world, but guess what, I don't think that the government will come out and say it.
I also saw you stated "Americans" yet "Americans" are not in control over this war. That is why I asked you what you "thought" the government's take is on the Iraqi situation.
There I said it. I'm a bigot and a hater. I get all kinds of "he's intolerate". That is another reason why our government won't say it. The same reason around the world, when a muslim attacks someone else, it is called freedom fighters, revolutionaries, jihad, when anyone attacks a mulsim, they are being oppressed. The government can't fight that mind set.

I agree. Not sure that it is 100% correct, but it sounds fitting none the less.
They probably know the answer too, like I said above, but they can't say it. There would be hell to pay, figuritively speaking. The world would blow up in to WW 3. Why, you can't say that about us! (from Muslims) JIHAD! JIHAD!. No oil will be sold to infidels!
Interesting... however I do believe our government knows the enemy well from past intell as well as the experiences. Even though it has been pubically admitted America has never fought a war like this I do believe the tactics that have been used by the enemy were expected yet there is no scientific way to weed the enemy out. I think it'd take more than the figuratively speaking you've stated to spark WW3. Not all countries embrace muslim fanatic practices and I do believe other countries are afraid of the US.
1st, 1,000s of years, wrong. Islam started offically, in 622 when Muhammad was chased out of Mecca. He started Jihad and eight years later captured Mecca. Mecca was a great trade city and was a stopping place for merchants and businessmen of all races, religions (Christians, Jews and others), and countries. In general, it was open to the world.
Have not Isralites and Palistinians been fighting each other since the Biblical times? There has been religious conflict ever since religion was created.

[TexasDevilDog]

We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars fighting Islamic Terrorism, without realizing that Islamic Terrorism is the natural manifestation of Islamic ideology. It is a symptom not the cause. Other symptoms of this disease are honor killing, stoning, wife beating, child rape, inequality and human rights abuses of minorities, to name a few.

[TexasDevilDog]

Have not Isralites and Palistinians been fighting each other since the Biblical times? There has been religious conflict ever since religion was created.

There has been culture wars since the beginning of civilization.

As for the Isralis and Palestinians, no. The name Palestine was officially reintroduced by the Romans following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar Kokhba in 132-135 A.D in the province of Judea. Palestine comes from the word Palæstina. term was based on the Phoenician people known as Philistines that lived in the coastal areas in pre-Roman times.

I am tired of teaching history. Go, read, come back when you have arguments to make that I don't have to be a history teacher.

Israel comes from Yisrael Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel) (Northern Kingdom)
Jew comes from -> Judea Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine) (Southern Kingdom)
History of Judea Syria Palæstina -> Palestine link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine)
History of Islam -> Islam Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam)

[SS Junk]

We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars fighting Islamic Terrorism, without realizing that Islamic Terrorism is the natural manifestation of Islamic ideology. It is a symptom not the cause. Other symptoms of this disease are honor killing, stoning, wife beating, child rape, inequality and human rights abuses of minorities, to name a few.
Where's the, "I think..." before you let loose? Could this be yet another one of your blowhard theories? Once again it seems you have more figured out than the people directly involved with this war.

[SS Junk]

There has been culture wars since the beginning of civilization.

As for the Isralis and Palestinians, no. The name Palestine was officially reintroduced by the Romans following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar Kokhba in 132-135 A.D in the province of Judea. Palestine comes from the word Palæstina. term was based on the Phoenician people known as Philistines that lived in the coastal areas in pre-Roman times.

I am tired of teaching history. Go, read, come back when you have arguments to make that I don't have to be a history teacher.

Israel comes from Yisrael Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel) (Northern Kingdom)
Jew comes from -> Judea Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine) (Southern Kingdom)
History of Judea Syria Palæstina -> Palestine link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine)
History of Islam -> Islam Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam)
Pardon me for ever questioning the arrogance of an individual who does not make clear statements in the literary from! :rolleyes:
Thanks for the links. I was not certain who was disagreeing w/ the Christian beliefs in the Biblical times hence why my comment was in question form. Regardless... The Muslim religion spawned from somewhere and the belief that Jesus was nothing more than a 'good person'.

[TexasDevilDog]

Where's the, "I think..." before you let loose? Could this be yet another one of your blowhard theories? Once again it seems you have more figured out than the people directly involved with this war.

Look if you aren't going to debate what I say and just "ad hominem", then go off to the smackatorium.

What do you think, that I just bang on the keyboard to see what fantastic story will randomly appear? Terror-Jihad, honor killing, stoning, wife beating, child rape, inequality and human rights abuses of minorities are happening now around the world. Do you think I make it up? Islam is a culture of cultist, fascism and intolerance, that is hellbent on taking over the world.

Take for example, Allah's Prophet, took for a wife a six year old girl, after his first wife died. He said that he had visions from god, about her being his wife, when she was a baby. The Qur'an says that Muhammad is the good example to follow. That good example is being followed in the Ismanic world today.

[greenrebel]

Man I must really have my politics F&CKED up. I always thought I was a democrat, but if all those people are doing this stupid stuff, I don't even want to be affiliated with them. I fully support the war and hope that we can root out as many of those bastards as possible.

This is a whole conspiracy to get USA the most hated in the international community. What would really happen if France was attacked like us? (Well maybe that's a bad example, whoever attacked France would already have another territory ;) ), but what about Germany, would they just say, "oh damn you killed a bunch of our people, what do we need to do to make you happy." Screw all who oppose this war and all those nations who have their heads stuck up their asses.

[TexasDevilDog]

Pardon me for ever questioning the arrogance of an individual who does not make clear statements in the literary from! :rolleyes:
Thanks for the links. I was not certain who was disagreeing w/ the Christian beliefs in the Biblical times hence why my comment was in question form. Regardless...

I am only trying to enrich your knowledge, so that you can make wise, informed arguments.


The Muslim religion spawned from somewhere and the belief that Jesus was nothing more than a 'good person'.

Wrong. Islam believes that Jesus was more than a good person. Jesus to them was a prophet. That his teachings are to be admired, but he had flaws. Jesus was not from immaculate conception, not god in flesh, not the son of god. They say Jesus was not crucified, someone else was, which concradicts, other written accounts, including the bible, which they use.

[TexasDevilDog]

What would really happen if France was attacked like us?

It is ironic that you said France. France has the biggest percent of Muslim population in Europe, at 10%. They are starting to have the problems of "live our way or die" from Muslims. Why do you think, France was so much against the US going in to Iraq?

Man I must really have my politics F&CKED up. I always thought I was a democrat, but if all those people are doing this stupid stuff.

Sane people of any idiolgy, can see that this is perverse.

[SS Junk]

Look if you aren't going to debate what I say and just "ad hominem", then go off to the smackatorium.
Avoiding the question I see... what I've said about your posting mannerisms fits quite well in this thread.
What do you think, that I just bang on the keyboard to see what fantastic story will randomly appear? Terror-Jihad, honor killing, stoning, wife beating, child rape, inequality and human rights abuses of minorities are happening now around the world. Do you think I make it up? Islam is a culture of cultist, fascism and intolerance, that is hellbent on taking over the world.

Where your argument is flawed is your prejudice towards all Islamic individuals. Those same practices you speak of are happening here in the US with those who claim to be Christian. You are grouping a minority of people who are extremists into a majority. That's nothing more than ignorance on your part. If what you say is true there would be revolt all over Iraq and not just the fanatic terrorism which is happeneing from Al Qaeda cells who aren't from Iraq.
Take for example, Allah's Prophet, took for a wife a six year old girl, after his first wife died. He said that he had visions from god, about her being his wife, when she was a baby. The Qur'an says that Muhammad is the good example to follow. That good example is being followed in the Ismanic world today.
What you are so quick to forget is most of those same things you have listed happen here in the US with God fearing, Jesus accepting, blue/red blooded Americans who when questioned after their crime, claim that either God, Jesus or Satan came to them and gave them purpose for their crime.
I am only trying to enrich your knowledge, so that you can make wise, informed arguments.

LMAO! :rolleyes:
How can that be possible when everything you've presented so far is nothing more than your opinions with no factual information to prove your prejudice? Quite interesting to see the sudden change from disclaiming your theories and claims with, "I think..." to now presenting me with, "... informed arguments." I can't take inconsistency seriously.

[SS Junk]

Why do you think, France was so much against the US going in to Iraq?

And the oil for food scandle had no influence on their decision? I take it you have a better theory or opinion?

[TexasDevilDog]

Avoiding the question I see... what I've said about your posting mannerisms fits quite well in this thread.

Wrong. If you didn't see the answer to your question, "Where's the, "I think..." before you let loose? Could this be yet another one of your blowhard theories?", that is your fault for being blinded.

Where your argument is flawed is your prejudice towards all Islamic individuals. Those same practices you speak of are happening here in the US with those who claim to be Christian. You are grouping a minority of people who are extremists into a majority. That's nothing more than ignorance on your part. If what you say is true there would be revolt all over Iraq and not just the fanatic terrorism which is happeneing from Al Qaeda cells who aren't from Iraq.

First, thanks for replying to my statement from your question, that I didn't answer.

I am not attacking Islamic individuals. Where did I do that? I am pointing out that Islam as a cult system. I can understand the ideas of Jews, Hindus, heck even american indians, but I don't understand the Qur'an and Sunna is full of hate and other things vile. Not just a few words alone, cut out of context, but whole scripts.

What you are so quick to forget is most of those same things you have listed happen here in the US with God fearing, Jesus accepting, blue/red blooded Americans who when questioned after their crime, claim that either God, Jesus or Satan came to them and gave them purpose for their crime.

You didn't even say it was wrong. Oh, so it is normal for grown men to have sex with nine year old kids. NAMBLA member? :confused:

How can that be possible when everything you've presented so far is nothing more than your opinions with no factual information to prove your prejudice?

I am glad you asked. Unedited passages in whole form.

Sex with a nine year old -> Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064)

God gave him a vision to marry Aisha when she was a baby- >Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' " (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/087.sbt.html#009.087.140)

The pieces I lay out are factual evidence, text that Islam preaches to be true, unwavering, and a good example to live by. Regardless of religious back ground of everyone on this board, each person should be able to make a conjecture: either this a good example to live your life by or a cult practice?

[SS Junk]

Wrong. If you didn't see the answer to your question, "Where's the, "I think..." before you let loose? Could this be yet another one of your blowhard theories?", that is your fault for being blinded.

The question you have avoided is where is the, "I think..." disclaimer before spouting off? So yes.. the question still stands.. which you still avoid to answer.
First, thanks for replying to my statement from your question, that I didn't answer.
I am not attacking Islamic individuals. Where did I do that?
Islams is as peaceful as a Piranha schooling around in a lazy river and as tolerate as the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.
I'm sure you have some other extravigant, cryptic reasoning behind this statement where the "true definition" means something completely different than what you've written. :rolleyes:
You didn't even say it was wrong. Oh, so it is normal for grown men to have sex with nine year old kids. NAMBLA member? :confused:
Now you are nit picking? LOL I will refrain from whining about these kind of replys and how they should belong in the Smackatorium. Why should I state they are wrong? I would think you being the intelligent individual you claim to be who is bestowing all this knowledge upon lil' ol' me to make such "informative arguments" you would understand this is wrong. It was merely a comparison to make clear there is human element involved in these kind of crimes than religion.
I am glad you asked. Unedited passages in whole form.

Sex with a nine year old -> Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064)

God gave him a vision to marry Aisha when she was a baby- >Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' " (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/087.sbt.html#009.087.140)

The pieces I lay out are factual evidence, text that Islam preaches to be true, unwavering, and a good example to live by. Regardless of religious back ground of everyone on this board, each person should be able to make a conjecture: either this a good example to live your life by or a cult practice?
As already stated.. there are natural born US citizens that belong to a Christian denomination that have done things like this and claimed it was from the supernatural.

[TexasDevilDog]

Thanks.

[SS Junk]

Thanks.
You're welcome. Why am I not surprised of your refusal to include the entire quote? Have fun with it. As originally stated... What you've spouted is nothing more than a cluster of blowhard opinions and theories.

[TexasDevilDog]

You're welcome. Why am I not surprised of your refusal to include the entire quote? Have fun with it. As originally stated... What you've spouted is nothing more than a cluster of blowhard opinions and theories.

Just wondering if you think the behavior is normal or not. I don't want to know what you think, I think about it. And you never answered in either parts are the previous post from you.

Just pick one, right or wrong.

If that is too tough, ok, how about this, was it right or wrong in Muhammad's day? And being a prophet from god, that knows all, even future events, what would be best to teach?

Wrong. I posted facts from Islam, the good examples of Allah's prophet. We can talk about Christianity later, but why not speak to my point direct without flying off and blaming something else? Just stay on topic.

[SS Junk]

Just wondering if you think the behavior is normal or not. I don't want to know what you think, I think about it.
Just pick one, right or wrong.
You aren't wondering. What you are doing is running away from the discussion... as if you are desperate to get the upper hand by using a partial quote of mine and playing dumb. I'd think this would be abnormal behavior for someone as educated as proclaim to be. LOL
And you never answered in either parts are the previous post from you.
I think you are starting to show your true colors. Is it some sort of angry twitch you are being overcome with that possessed you to use gradeschool grammar?

If that is too tough, ok, how about this, was it right or wrong in Muhammad's day?
Of course with my Christian background I believe it is wrong. Nothing has been too tough that you've spewed forth. This is evidence that an average commoner like myself can challenge your "informed" and "educated" blowhard beliefs.
And being a prophet from god, that knows all, even future events, what would be best to teach?
A prophet from God does not "know all" and there's no relevance to this question.
Wrong. I posted facts from Islam, the good examples of Allah's prophet. We can talk about Christianity later, but why not speak to my point direct without flying off and blaming something else? Just stay on topic.
Right... you posted facts about certain behaviors. My argument was originated from your opinions of Muslim religion and the fact that Christians have done the very same thing.
So facinating one who is so humble in the beginning using "I think..." is now a bonified blowhard theorist. :rolleyes:

[exlude]

Pertaining to his first statement, what exactly are you arguing SS RRR?

[TexasDevilDog]

You aren't wondering. What you are doing is running away from the discussion... as if you are desperate to get the upper hand by using a partial quote of mine and playing dumb. I'd think this would be abnormal behavior for someone as educated as proclaim to be. LOL

I think you are starting to show your true colors. Is it some sort of angry twitch you are being overcome with that possessed you to use gradeschool grammar?

Of course with my Christian background I believe it is wrong. Nothing has been too tough that you've spewed forth. This is evidence that an average commoner like myself can challenge your "informed" and "educated" blowhard beliefs.

A prophet from God does not "know all" and there's no relevance to this question.

Right... you posted facts about certain behaviors. My argument was originated from your opinions of Muslim religion and the fact that Christians have done the very same thing.
So facinating one who is so humble in the beginning using "I think..." is now a bonified blowhard theorist. :rolleyes:

I scamper from no ideological duel. I actually take delight in the constitutional. Occationally, I make posts with omission of extraneous enlightenment, that may abruptly terminate the dialogue, without allowing full broadcasting to expansive patrons. Half truths, hmmm, tactical feint, perhaps.

I would image, a prophet would have foreknowledge transferred to him from his holy liege, as to what is best for the plebs. But it failed, how sad.

Yes, yes. We are sinners, all of us. Past, present and future. None of us are worthy of salvation. We all fall short of measure and can never cover our debts.

Does that mean we turn our eyes to what is occuring in the world? Stall we slink from truism and not project disclosure?

[TexasDevilDog]

Pertaining to his first statement, what exactly are you arguing SS RRR?

He thought I was talking about "no oil for blood" gibberish. The chatter has turned into a priggish rivalry.

^^^
Observe, I am browbeating, by being a blowhard again. Or it could be that I am being a blowhard to browbeat. You tell, you know me best.

[venomous96'gt]

Have fun with this-> I say we finish the Final Solution and then China is next!

[TexasDevilDog]

Have fun with this-> I say we finish the Final Solution and then China is next!

Hey, don't hijack our thread! Move along, and begin your own animosity session.

[AL P]

Have fun with this-> I say we finish the Final Solution and then China is next!

Thanks for your $.0000000000000000000000000000000001, dumbass.

[HookEm]

Have fun with this-> I say we finish the Final Solution and then China is next!

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Are you trying to be clever by equating Bush to Hitler and his Final Solution for the "Jewish Problem"?

You damn guy......

[TexasDevilDog]

2S3R and TDD, slug it out yesterday and today, nobody else cares to join. Newb comes along and gang-bang. :D

[SS Junk]

Pertaining to his first statement, what exactly are you arguing SS RRR?
TDD's ability to know more about what's going on with the world than anyone directly related to the war. And now, as already been stated, it's completely about nothing.

[SS Junk]

I scamper from no ideological duel. I actually take delight in the constitutional. Occationally, I make posts with omission of extraneous enlightenment, that may abruptly terminate the dialogue, without allowing full broadcasting to expansive patrons. Half truths, hmmm, tactical feint, perhaps.
Wow... I'm impressed with the usage of a thesaurus! Good on you! I must commend you on your efforts, however they were lacking a bit between your opinions and your factual information. Is not "tactical feint" redundant, teacher?
I would image, a prophet would have foreknowledge transferred to him from his holy liege, as to what is best for the plebs. But it failed, how sad.
It is impossible for a prophet to know everything. This description is much improved.

Yes, yes. We are sinners, all of us. Past, present and future. None of us are worthy of salvation. We all fall short of measure and can never cover our debts.

Except by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Does that mean we turn our eyes to what is occuring in the world? Stall we slink from truism and not project disclosure?
It's human nature for the ordinary average citizen to do so until something happens we least expect. We then try to understand our enemy whilst the stimuliation is still strong in our minds. Once that stimulation fades we become lazy and forgetful. Out of sight, out of mind. Some of us forget how certain major events happen, conjure their own distorted reality and
... make posts with omission of extraneous enlightenment, that may abruptly terminate the dialogue, without allowing full broadcasting to expansive patrons. Half truths, hmmm, tactical feint, perhaps.
:D

[TexasDevilDog]

Is not "tactical feint" redundant, teacher? :D

There can be strategic feints.