ok.....No WMD so oh well???

[DbonezNY]

WASHINGTON (Jan. 12) -- The U.S. force that scoured Iraq for weapons of mass destruction has abandoned its long and fruitless hunt and is assisting in the more immediate task of counter-insurgency efforts, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

President Bush and other U.S. officials cited the grave threat posed by Iraq's chemical and biological weapons and Baghdad's efforts to acquire a nuclear arms capability as a central justification for the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. No such weapons have been found.

The 1,700-strong Iraq Survey Group, responsible for the hunt, last month wrapped up physical searches for weapons of mass destruction, and its mission is now refocused on gathering information to help U.S. forces in Iraq win a bloody guerrilla war, officials said.

''You can only search so many places for WMD,'' said a defense official, who added that the ISG continues to review documents and interview people knowledgeable about deposed President Saddam Hussein's arms programs for possible leads.

Charles Duelfer, the CIA special adviser who led the ISG's weapons search, has returned home and is expected next month to issue a final addendum to his September report concluding that prewar Iraq had no WMD stockpiles, officials said.

''While the actual physical search is over for all intents and purposes, it's not closed in the sense that while this (document exploitation) operation continues ... if they stumble upon something in the course of that effort that says the stash is there, they are certainly going to run out there and look for it,'' said another U.S. official.

The U.S. official, who asked not to be named, added that the team that had conducted the actual physical search was back home.

The defense official, who also asked not to be named, said Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Joseph McMenamin was replaced last month as the ISG's military head by an officer of lesser rank. The defense official said Air Force Col. Lloyd Somers is now serving as acting director of the ISG.

Duelfer's role as the CIA's special adviser on Iraqi WMD is unchanged, an official said.

'JOB NO. 1'



AP
In the weeks leading up to the war, U.N. inspectors hunted for illegal weapons.

''The mission is weighted differently to providing intelligence support to the MNFI,'' said the defense official, referring to Multi-National Force-Iraq, the U.S. military command there.

''Obviously, I would say that counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism is kind of job No. 1 over there for everybody,'' the official added.

U.S. forces are locked in a bloody struggle with insurgents in Iraq, and the U.S. military death toll since the invasion stands at more than 1,350, with 10,000 more American troops wounded.

The Washington Post first reported that the ISG had ended its weapons search and said the White House had been reluctant to call off the hunt, holding out the possibility that weapons had been shipped out of Iraq before the war or well hidden inside the country.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters that he believed ''a few people'' in the ISG were still focused on finding any weapons of mass destruction.

''(Duelfer) is continuing to wrap things up at this point on an addendum to the report which will be issued some time next month,'' McClellan said. ''That's not going to fundamentally alter the findings of his earlier report.''

The Duelfer report concluded that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons and its nuclear program had decayed before last year's U.S.-led invasion.

The findings are contrary to prewar assertions by the Bush administration, which stated in the run-up to the war that Saddam possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, was actively reconstituting his nuclear arms program, and might provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists to attack America.

[Danny]

LOL that you apparently think there were no WMD in Iraq. :)

[01WhiteCobra]

I think the WMD are called insurgents.

[AL P]

What is dimethyl sulfide anyway? I guess they could use that to make mustard for their hot dogs....

[Danny]

I think it comes down to how you define "WMD".



I define it as an agent / device that has the potential to kill many people in a single attack.

Apparently the news media defines it as thousands of barrels of dangerous stuff found in a steel building with "WMD" painted on the top of it.




We found the first one, not the second one. :)

[01WhiteCobra]

What is dimethyl sulfide anyway? I guess they could use that to make mustard for their hot dogs....

That stuff they found in the barrels marked, "Made in the U.S.A."?

[Trip McNeely]

Oh they're done searching? I suppose those Migs they found buried in the desert and those mobile biochemical plants dont count. You're a fucking idiot.

[01WhiteCobra]

Oh they're done searching? I suppose those Migs they found buried in the desert and those mobile biochemical plants dont count. You're a fucking idiot.


Got some links to the mobile biochemical plants?

[exlude]

Got some links to the mobile biochemical plants?

I'm guessing he is assuming that those satellite shots used when we proposed to the UN were actually mobile biochemical plants.

But you know what they say about assuming...

[01WhiteCobra]

I'm guessing he is assuming that those satellite shots used when we proposed to the UN were actually mobile biochemical plants.

But you know what they say about assuming...

I was gonna say, better send them to the Whitehouse quick, since I head Bush talk about his disappointment in not finding WMD or evidence of any WMD program.

[Trip McNeely]

It was all over the news awhile back. Like theres not enough evidence. you act like because they didnt see it live that it didnt happen. :rolleyes: I guess the stuff Saddam used against the Kurds alone isnt enough hard evidence. Fucking liberals, please drive through.

[DbonezNY]

Where are the "stock piles"? There was NO nuclear program even being run b4 the invasion...this was just proven. Now what do we do? is what I ask. Can you conservatives answer that question intelligently instead of coming with half ass'd answers and name calling?

[Danny]

Sure. I'll do that as soon as you provide me with a quote from GWB, or anyone else in the US government, saying that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program. :)

[01WhiteCobra]

It was all over the news awhile back. Like theres not enough evidence. you act like because they didnt see it live that it didnt happen. :rolleyes: I guess the stuff Saddam used against the Kurds alone isnt enough hard evidence. Fucking liberals, please drive through.

No, you fucking drive through.

Even GWB is admiting to no weapons of mass destruction, nor a restart of ANY WMD program.

But, hey, call up GWB, I bet he'd love to talk with you.

[01WhiteCobra]

Sure. I'll do that as soon as you provide me with a quote from GWB, or anyone else in the US government, saying that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program. :)

Like this?


The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

[exlude]

It was all over the news awhile back. Like theres not enough evidence. you act like because they didnt see it live that it didnt happen. :rolleyes: I guess the stuff Saddam used against the Kurds alone isnt enough hard evidence. Fucking liberals, please drive through.

I didn't know the issue was if Saddam ever had them at one point in time...?

[Trip McNeely]

No, you fucking drive through.

Even GWB is admiting to no weapons of mass destruction, nor a restart of ANY WMD program.

But, hey, call up GWB, I bet he'd love to talk with you.
Oh I suppose the masses of Kurds killed were used with Weapons of No destruction.

And those Weapons inspectors getting denied a handful of times let out all doubt that they had anything. Get fucking real and see the writing on the wall.. :rolleyes:

[DbonezNY]

Sure. I'll do that as soon as you provide me with a quote from GWB, or anyone else in the US government, saying that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program. :)

You ask and you shall receive.

George W. Bush Oct, 7 2002 - "Saddam Hussein had ordered his nuclear program to continue. The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

[AL P]

You ask and you shall receive.

George W. Bush Oct, 7 2002 - "Saddam Hussein had ordered his nuclear program to continue. The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

He was attempting to acquire or develop nuclear weapons. He wasn't suceeding. Once again, in hindsight (there is that word again), our intelligence was correct in the fact that he was trying to get some nukes. It didn't take into account that he was a dumbass and couldn't get the job done. I guess you could say that they gave him a little too much credit.

[AL P]

That stuff they found in the barrels marked, "Made in the U.S.A."?

That's it. US companies sold it to him. But we sell plenty of weapons to a lot of people. What they do with them is up to the buyer. Good old capitalism.

[01WhiteCobra]

Oh I suppose the masses of Kurds killed were used with Weapons of No destruction.

And those Weapons inspectors getting denied a handful of times let out all doubt that they had anything. Get fucking real and see the writing on the wall.. :rolleyes:

When were the Kurds gassed? Do you even know?

So does gassing your own people make you a rogue state? Look up Project SHAD someday.

[Trip McNeely]

When were the Kurds gassed? Do you even know?

So does gassing your own people make you a rogue state? Look up Project SHAD someday.
LOL. Give me a break.

[01WhiteCobra]

LOL. Give me a break.

Again, when did Sadam gas the kurds? Who was President at the time? What was his response? What was the House/Senate's response?

Come on, Ac, you history stud.

[Paladin]

I have already conceded that we did not find any and I predicted we would, so I was wrong.

I still maintain that he had WMD, that he either sent them to Pakistan, destroyed them before we arrived, or just buried them and we may never find them.

I am wondering if all the naysayers think there were never any WMD's in Iraq or do they think Bush and his administration, Russia, Australia, Great Britain, Clinton, and all the others were lying or just wrong?

[Pro Trash]

I think the WMD are called insurgents.

Odd thing is I was talking with a buddy of mine who was in the initial phase of the Iraq operation back in March of 2003 with the 4th ID. Last year we were talking and he stated the Insurgents didn't start to show up until late April early May time frame. So one can contend that even the Insurgents " WMD" in your opinion weren't there either when we took over Iraq.

[01WhiteCobra]

Odd thing is I was talking with a buddy of mine who was in the initial phase of the Iraq operation back in March of 2003 with the 4th ID. Last year we were talking and he stated the Insurgents didn't start to show up until late April early May time frame. So one can contend that even the Insurgents " WMD" in your opinion weren't there either when we took over Iraq.

Pro Trash, it was satire.

[Pro Trash]

Take no offense please, I was just trying to joke about the WMD.

[Trip McNeely]

Again, when did Sadam gas the kurds? Who was President at the time? What was his response? What was the House/Senate's response?

Come on, Ac, you history stud.
Ok I'll man up and say, they never found them thats obvious. They did have them though and they have used them in the past. Im not saying I know more than you, and if I appeared arrogant and an asshole, im sorry. All I am saying is yes, Bush declared WMDs and that was the main reason to get Saddam out of power. They didnt find them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there, or haven't been hidden in Syria, Lybia, etc. They had plenty of manpower, space and time to have hidden them.

[Slncoupe]

Im not saying I know more than you, and if I appeared arrogant and an asshole, im sorry.





You're a fucking idiot.
Fucking liberals, please drive through.
Get fucking real and see the writing on the wall..
LOL. Give me a break.

I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think you came off like that at all. ;)

[Trip McNeely]

I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think you came off like that at all. ;)
eh, I can be standoffish, sue me. I apologize.

[DbonezNY]

maybe I should re-phrase myself. What do we do with our country now that we look like complete pompus idiots to the entire world? WMD be it whatever they are were not found, Nuclear programs that were thought and used as reasoning to invade iraq have been proven false. How do we go about correcting a mistake.

[SS Junk]

They didnt find them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there, or haven't been hidden in Syria, Lybia, etc.
It's a liberal thing. One of those, "If we don't see it, surely it does not exist until it takes us by surprise. Then we have something completely new and different to bitch about..." simpleton type mentalities.

[Trip McNeely]

It's a liberal thing. One of those, "If we don't see it, surely it does not exist until it takes us by surprise. Then we have something completely new and different to bitch about..." simpleton type mentalities.
Oh I totally agree. Then something happens, and well its our fault. Its a Catch 22, damned if we do, damned if we dont.

You honestly think if the FBI couldve prevented 9/11 and went on a rampage that the ACLU and other agenices wouldnt be all over their ass? OF course nothing would've happened because it was prevented, but then peoples Civil Rights would've been violated. :rolleyes:

[Denny]

I'll end this damned debate once and for all if someone could cover my next year's salary... hell of a deal for finding out the truth (with pics)!!! HAHAHA!

[01WhiteCobra]

WMD suck, but you can have fun with non-lethal mass weapons.


Pentagon reveals rejected chemical weapons
15 January 2005
From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
THE Pentagon considered developing a host of non-lethal chemical weapons that would disrupt discipline and morale among enemy troops, newly declassified documents reveal.


Most bizarre among the plans was one for the development of an "aphrodisiac" chemical weapon that would make enemy soldiers sexually irresistible to each other. Provoking widespread homosexual behaviour among troops would cause a "distasteful but completely non-lethal" blow to morale, the proposal says.


Other ideas included chemical weapons that attract swarms of enraged wasps or angry rats to troop positions, making them uninhabitable. Another was to develop a chemical that caused "severe and lasting halitosis", making it easy to identify guerrillas trying to blend in with civilians. There was also the idea of making troops' skin unbearably sensitive to sunlight.

The proposals, from the US Air Force Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio, date from 1994. The lab sought Pentagon funding for research into what it called "harassing, annoying and 'bad guy'-identifying chemicals". The plans have been posted online by the Sunshine Project, an organisation that exposes research into chemical and biological weapons.

Spokesman Edward Hammond says it was not known if the proposed $7.5 million, six-year research plan was ever pursued.

[jyro]

I'll end this damned debate once and for all if someone could cover my next year's salary... hell of a deal for finding out the truth (with pics)!!! HAHAHA!


that non disclosure agreement ends sometime!

[DbonezNY]

It's a liberal thing. One of those, "If we don't see it, surely it does not exist until it takes us by surprise. Then we have something completely new and different to bitch about..." simpleton type mentalities.

Thats a typical response to pure ignorance on the conservative part. I have a better Idea..lets attack..."just incase shyte" that always works.

Again, no one has really answered my question.

[Denny]

Thats a typical response to pure ignorance on the conservative part. I have a better Idea..lets attack..."just incase shyte" that always works.

Again, no one has really answered my question.

I already told you that I'll answer anything and everything for a year's salary. I bet I have better information on the subject than anyone else you can ask through the internet. Make the check payable to CASH! hahaha

And Jyro... May isn't that far off, is it? ;)

[AL P]

maybe I should re-phrase myself. What do we do with our country now that we look like complete pompus idiots to the entire world? WMD be it whatever they are were not found, Nuclear programs that were thought and used as reasoning to invade iraq have been proven false. How do we go about correcting a mistake.

We don't need "to do" anything with this country. So our intelligence was wrong about the extent of his programs. So fucking what? Saddam gave us a whole laundry list of reasons to kick his ass. No one seems to remember when he would kick UN weapons inspectors out of his country about twice a year. Inspectors he allowed in his country as a term of ending the first ass kicking we gave him. I find it interesting that you think we need to "save face" to the rest of the world whom we have to babysit. I don't owe the bastards in Europe any sort of explanation, if anything they owe me. Last time we trusted their judgement on matters such as these, Adolf Hitler exterminated six million people. You'll have to excuse me if I don't trust their judgement again.

[Fobra]

A wise person would not say Sadam had no WMD's, a wise person would ask; where have they gone?

[Bullitt3055]

Very easy they may have buried whatever WMD they may have had. When we went into Baghdad in 2003 I saw miles and miles nothing but dirt and sand. Quite possible it's all been buried. Hell, they buried tanks and even MIG fighter jets. JMO of what may have been.