What route should I go for repairs?

[Monsoon X]

As you all know, I have a bad 2nd gear. By now the gears that mate to it are probably bad as well. I'm expecting repairs around the $1500 mark.

I know a guy in my neighborhood that goes by the name Tony (I think he's cool, he's offered to let me practice on an old bike that he had, plus he loaned me his front stand when I needed to replace my front tire) He rebuilds and sells bikes. He said that he could find me a motor/tranny combo for about the price of a tranny repair.

Here is what he said about the motor:
LOW Mileage and HIGH Dependablity will probably run
about what you're looking to spend on repairing it...

but for average mileage, and good dependability, you
can usuually offer your engine in trade and make out
for about $600 or so..

And I'm sure he'll help or (maybe one of you guys) could help me figure out how to put a new motor in?

NE way. Any suggestions?

[ELVIS]

972-446-8265 or 214-498-0596 its urban cycle sports ask for tank he owns the joint. fixed my clutch on the cheap. good guys over there.

also how many miles on that turd??? that you would be considering an engine swap. i am sure i could wedge a tlr motor in there for ya :D

god bless.

[evil jose]

Take it to Garage Mahall and let them take it apart and look at it. You don't know for certain if EVERY gear is bad condition by now. I'd rather spend the money right (and you may just need certain things replaced) and get it new rather than buying used and possible having problems next year. I'm assuming when he sells you a used setup he's not going to open it up and see if somethings damaged or worn out right?

<------ Doesn't like buying other people's problems (used stuff)

[Cooter]

why would you trade your engine for an engine that you don't know anything about? I could see trying a used tranny, but... :confused:

[Monsoon X]

Thanks for the replies.

I'm leaning toward just checking out tranny repair quotes. Got a few places lined up. I will most likely go with GMH. I have the money but, I wanna save up for a full exhaust and jet kit. :D

[ScottJ]

Has greg quoted you a price on parts/fixing your tranny? Is that where 1500 number came from?

[Monsoon X]

Has greg quoted you a price on parts/fixing your tranny? Is that where 1500 number came from?

No Greg hasn't quoted me a price. I got the $1500 from R1-forums.com. A guy scanned in his repair bill.

Just talked to SW Superbike, they will be $1200-$1800
with 10 days for Parts and another 10 days for
labor...
they said it's 11 hours labor and parts are ususally
only 5-600 dollars, but they have to break open the
cases in order to get to the gears & shift forks,
etc...

[evil jose]

No Greg hasn't quoted me a price. I got the $1500 from R1-forums.com. A guy scanned in his repair bill.

Just talked to SW Superbike, they will be $1200-$1800
with 10 days for Parts and another 10 days for
labor...
they said it's 11 hours labor and parts are ususally
only 5-600 dollars, but they have to break open the
cases in order to get to the gears & shift forks,
etc...

Is that a total rebuild? Do you remember what I told you they told me about Yami trannys and second gear being weak and that they could replace that part with a stronger part and it would probably be good. Although you keep riding it.....

[Monsoon X]

Is that a total rebuild? Do you remember what I told you they told me about Yami trannys and second gear being weak and that they could replace that part with a stronger part and it would probably be good. Although you keep riding it.....


Yeah, I keep riding it but, not in second. I immediately get out of second. And if I do putt around in second gear, it doesn't skip because I'm not giving it much gas. It only skips when the stress from the power makes it give.

And yes, that price would be to replace the things that are worn. The actual gears aren't that expensive. That $500- $600 in parts is not just for one gear.

[evil jose]

Yeah, I keep riding it but, not in second. I immediately get out of second. And if I do putt around in second gear, it doesn't skip because I'm not giving it much gas. It only skips when the stress from the power makes it give.

And yes, that price would be to replace the things that are worn. The actual gears aren't that expensive. That $500- $600 in parts is not just for one gear.

Well from what the mechanic up at GMH described to me, your still wearing the second gear even when skipping through it as you have to go through that gear to get into the upper ones. Sure it's not as bad as when applying power but it's still wearing it passing through thee gear. Again, going by what he described. When we took my old bike up there and he though that was the problem he said to stop riding it period until we knew for certain that was it otherwise it would just get more expensive. Just a thought anyway, I'd probably be caging it instead of riding.

[Monsoon X]

*&^%^%^&%^**&((_*&*&&^

[steph-gmh]

Bring it by GMH let the guys take a look at it. We can probably fix your problem cheaper and quicker than any other place. The diagnosis fee is $50.00 but will be applied towards the total price if we fix it for you and you don't take it somewhere else. Bring it by. We saved a guy $500-600 because he thought he had to replace the whole tranny. Where he only needed a few parts.

Give us a call and talk to Greg
817-308-7867

[AnotherRedHead]

i told you I would fix it, what you dont believe me?

[Monsoon X]

i told you I would fix it, what you dont believe me?


I want a warranty, man. :)

[grape]

sounds like a shift fork. If this is an R1, It's been a couple of years since I had one apart, but I thought the advantage of the R1 was the input shaft comes out with a retainer ring from behind the clutch basket without splitting the cases..........I'll get back to you, I'm taking one apart later at my old job.

[Monsoon X]

sounds like a shift fork. If this is an R1, It's been a couple of years since I had one apart, but I thought the advantage of the R1 was the input shaft comes out with a retainer ring from behind the clutch basket without splitting the cases..........I'll get back to you, I'm taking one apart later at my old job.


Thanks. Let me know what you find out.

[grape]

got surprised with a Blackbird last night, hopefully can get into the R1 tonight.

[evil jose]

got surprised with a Blackbird last night, hopefully can get into the R1 tonight.

What shop do you work for?

[grape]

Racing Engine Service, just south of Mansfield. Owner's name is Ron Scrima

[AnotherRedHead]

listen homie, it IS a shift fork, but you cant just take out the shift fork and replace it when its been like that for so long. The dogs on the gears are rounded from the fork being bent and it not being completely in gear skipping from dog to dog. You CAN take the shift forks out of ANY bike almost by merely pulling the pan. But I promise, hes got some fucked up gears. And the input and output shafts dont just slide out with retainer clips like shift shafts....

[grape]

listen homie, it IS a shift fork, but you cant just take out the shift fork and replace it when its been like that for so long. The dogs on the gears are rounded from the fork being bent and it not being completely in gear skipping from dog to dog. You CAN take the shift forks out of ANY bike almost by merely pulling the pan. But I promise, hes got some fucked up gears. And the input and output shafts dont just slide out with retainer clips like shift shafts....

Thanks for the tech advice captain obvious

I thought this forum was a little more advanced than that, I would have thought that any person who messes with motorcycles would know that if a fork won't engage two gears, that they'd get fucked up. My mistake, but telling me that gears are fucked up is like telling a guy standing at a urinal with his dick out to go ahead and take a piss while your there.

I never implied that a bent shift fork required replacing only a shift fork, my thought was not complete, a shift fork is what caused the problem, not the only problem. And some transmissions DO slide out from behind the clutch basket, and if i remember right the stacked transmission stuff from the 97yzf1000 to the newest R1 will slide out.

Have you ever tried hanging shift forks in an R1?, It's a motherfucker. I remember not being able to put the cross shafts in till the cases are already together.

[ScottJ]

I think he was directing that reply to Monsoon.... that or he forgot to reply to some quote of yours.

[ishc54]

972-446-8265 or 214-498-0596 its urban cycle sports ask for tank he owns the joint. fixed my clutch on the cheap. good guys over there.

also how many miles on that turd??? that you would be considering an engine swap. i am sure i could wedge a tlr motor in there for ya :D

god bless.


Tank closed the shop and moved to Tulsa bro... so no more urban cycles... :( i know it sucks..

Now.. regarding the tranny i will just get on ebay and buy an used motor for cheap...

[AnotherRedHead]

Ive put new transmission parts in everything from r1s to yamaha twin roadstars LOL. Like YOU said, ur thought wasnt complete....fuck, when JC figured out his tranny was broke, people were telling him it was his chain. lol

Have you ever built a 500HP bike? You know, dfi doesnt come with an instruction book.... Thanks bro, I wasnt trying to piss on your flame, Im sure you can fix his bike too. After all, the service manual tells you where those circlips go LOL

[grape]

<----------made 221 with a stock displacement hayabusa naturally aspirated with a Motec at about 9 o'clock last night.

[DFWminis]

I thought this forum was a little more advanced than that,

nope ...most of us are "noobs" when it comes to motorcycle repairs ....learn as we go along .......now I am sure if we are talking car repair all of us could do it ....lets all just chill and get along :D

[Monsoon X]

nope ...most of us are "noobs" when it comes to motorcycle repairs ....learn as we go along .......now I am sure if we are talking car repair all of us could do it ....lets all just chill and get along :D

Shoot the only thing I've done on my bike is take the front tire off! hahaha I'll get a lil more advanced than that, one day. But opening up a tranny isn't one of them. :D

[DFWminis]

lol hell you are farther then me ....I have taken the bike apart but never touched the tires hehe

[AnotherRedHead]

<----------made 221 with a stock displacement hayabusa naturally aspirated with a Motec at about 9 o'clock last night.


Yea, I bet you did. Who ports your heads? God??

Nick

[grape]

the porting is all done down in the little shop south of mansfield. The inlet side isn't as far off as you might think, I'm sure you know the superflow potential deal of peak flow X .27 = total peak power possible when flowed @ 25". The exhaust side takes quite a bit of work. That was with stock diameter valves and just shy of 13K RPM. However when you have enough cam to do this, we tend to break the stock rear chain slider bolts in the case, even after drilling the cylinder and putting another 1/2" bolt in as a support about 3" under the chain tensioner. As far as DFI goes we had to quite using it after we started turning engines past 12K, we had to split the map and the res got way to notchy for a N/A application, only being able to set map points every 500 rpm. The motec also saves us weight and lets us drive the stock coil on plug set up.

[AnotherRedHead]

the porting is all done down in the little shop south of mansfield. The inlet side isn't as far off as you might think, I'm sure you know the superflow potential deal of peak flow X .27 = total peak power possible when flowed @ 25". The exhaust side takes quite a bit of work. That was with stock diameter valves and just shy of 13K RPM. However when you have enough cam to do this, we tend to break the stock rear chain slider bolts in the case, even after drilling the cylinder and putting another 1/2" bolt in as a support about 3" under the chain tensioner. As far as DFI goes we had to quite using it after we started turning engines past 12K, we had to split the map and the res got way to notchy for a N/A application, only being able to set map points every 500 rpm. The motec also saves us weight and lets us drive the stock coil on plug set up.


Stock rear chain slider bolts? So your breaking a 10mm bolt out of the case? Or two 6mm bolts out of a tensioner? Im confused...But anyway, does your tensioner really need to be that tight? You know brocks tensioners threads are alot finer allowing for finer adjustments. Big cams shouldnt be breaking any bolts in chain sliders or chain tensioners....
Ummm, my msd and dfi go past 12K. Motec is nice too, you get the dash too? Im gonna put a racepak dash and datalogger on the turbobike this year. Thats cool, but the stickcoils suck ass. Try to put something else in that cylinder with those things and ur fugged. My damn blaster coils on the msd shoot a lightning bolt out with no wire attached LOL!

But seriously, my dyno is right over in arlington, I have no problem with coming to see a 221 HP stock bore NA busa. I want to see it. Hell, if your not a liar, I think we might could be friends :)

Nick

[Monsoon X]

blah,blah,blah..........what Imma do about my tranny Charlie Murphy?!!!!

[AnotherRedHead]

you are cheap. Let me tell you something about motorcycle warranties. They are at the discrection of the dealer working on them, when you get an ext from suzuki or one of the other co's. If there is any sign of abuse, ie bike lowered or strap or pipe, they can deny your claim on basis of abuse, which is drag racing or road racing, even though this is what the bikes are built for. The extra you are gonna pay in warranties and labor fees at that company are not going to be worth the hassle. Your tranny is NOT going to break AGAIN during your ownership of that bike, I can garuntee you that. Its an old R1, that are plagued with tranny probs anyways, and yours is picture telling, 2nd gear, from duche bags tryin to click 1st to 2nd wheelies but sucks. It happens to all bikes if you treat them that way. But on the warranty side of bikes, I been there, on both sides, and I replaced a 1500 tranny on my own when I had a warranty. the wait and the hassle are not worth it, cause if your denied, then the dealer has YOUR bike apart in his hands and your forced to pay the bill.

Nick

[ThreeFingerPete]

, then the dealer has YOUR bike apart in his hands and your forced to pay the bill.

Nick


that's the truth man, 100%. It's called getting FUCKED.

[Monsoon X]

you are cheap. Let me tell you something about motorcycle warranties. They are at the discrection of the dealer working on them, when you get an ext from suzuki or one of the other co's. If there is any sign of abuse, ie bike lowered or strap or pipe, they can deny your claim on basis of abuse, which is drag racing or road racing, even though this is what the bikes are built for. The extra you are gonna pay in warranties and labor fees at that company are not going to be worth the hassle. Your tranny is NOT going to break AGAIN during your ownership of that bike, I can garuntee you that. Its an old R1, that are plagued with tranny probs anyways, and yours is picture telling, 2nd gear, from duche bags tryin to click 1st to 2nd wheelies but sucks. It happens to all bikes if you treat them that way. But on the warranty side of bikes, I been there, on both sides, and I replaced a 1500 tranny on my own when I had a warranty. the wait and the hassle are not worth it, cause if your denied, then the dealer has YOUR bike apart in his hands and your forced to pay the bill.

Nick

1.) You just called me cheap. Why? Even though I'm sure you can fix my tranny for a less price than a dealership but, I'm still considering a business to fix it. So even though I'm considering a heftier repair tag, you call me cheap. :confused:

2.) I have a bike that I care about. Lemme ask you this. I don't know about you Nick but, I'm leary about who I spend $1000 with. You wanna call it cheap, you go right ahead. I call it cautious.

3.) I appreciate the insight on the warranties from dealerships. I'll give it some consideration. I'm gonna go where my gut feeling tells me to. I want this crap done correct with no BS.

4.) You seem to be taking this personal. Don't, it aint even like that. This is business.

[AnotherRedHead]

1.) You just called me cheap. Why? Even though I'm sure you can fix my tranny for a less price than a dealership but, I'm still considering a business to fix it. So even though I'm considering a heftier repair tag, you call me cheap. :confused:

2.) I have a bike that I care about. Lemme ask you this. I don't know about you Nick but, I'm leary about who I spend $1000 with. You wanna call it cheap, you go right ahead. I call it cautious.

3.) I appreciate the insight on the warranties from dealerships. I'll give it some consideration. I'm gonna go where my gut feeling tells me to. I want this crap done correct with no BS.

4.) You seem to be taking this personal. Don't, it aint even like that. This is business.

Naw, you got it all wrong. You being cheap has nothing to do with me, and its not a put down either. If your cheap, Im cheap. Im always trying to get the best deal too. I have been down that road. Im just telling you, thinking you are being cheap by getting a better deal in this situation is actually a better deal. Get it? Usually, you would go down the road of personal fixing which has PLAGUED you in the past, so I thought you would be leary of it, and want to pay full out and get a warranty type deal. I was just trying to explain, in my own venting because I spent assloads of money and 3 months with my bike sitting at a dealership kind of way, that warranties suck....Ive got too much to do with the 3 bikes at my house and school, I dont need more stuff. But Im always willing to help u out if u need it. Nothing personal, sorry if I sounded mad, wasnt at you.


Nick