how bout that pistons pacers game!?!?!

[crxpert]

:D


how long you think they'll get suspended? how much you think in fines?

[gonzo]

dunno but some faggot is gonna try to sue cuz they got trampled or something.....pussies

[dan962000]

What happened?

[TonyMCev]

What happened?


of the game, about 45 seconds left, ron artest fouls ben wallace, so ben and him get into it. refs get in the middle, break it up, etc. ron artest is laying on the scorers table and a cup of beer comes flying in and hits him right on the chin. he charges into the crowd and starts to beat the guy that did it. all hell ensues. both teams into the crowd, fans punching players, players punching fans. it was NUTS ! refs called the game at that point. pacers won.

[TonyMCev]

:D


how long you think they'll get suspended? how much you think in fines?

i do not want to see suspensions. it was being handled fine until the cup of beer came flying in. the nba needs to step up its security measures. that shit could have gotten a lot nastier. i think artest needed better self restraint, but what would you do if i threw a cup of beer and it hit you in the chin ? you would want to punch me in the face.

[crxpert]

i don't know about ya'll but i wouldn't waste a 10 dollar cup of beer on ron artest. LOL!

[gonzo]

i don't know about ya'll but i wouldn't waste a 10 dollar cup of beer on ron artest. LOL!

i agree

[crxpert]

i do not want to see suspensions. it was being handled fine until the cup of beer came flying in. the nba needs to step up its security measures. that shit could have gotten a lot nastier. i think artest needed better self restraint, but what would you do if i threw a cup of beer and it hit you in the chin ? you would want to punch me in the face.



i would have wanted to punch you no doubt but if i had that much to loose i would've just gone back to the locker room and kept my money. this is going to end up costing him ALOT of cash.

[dan962000]

of the game, about 45 seconds left, ron artest fouls ben wallace, so ben and him get into it. refs get in the middle, break it up, etc. ron artest is laying on the scorers table and a cup of beer comes flying in and hits him right on the chin. he charges into the crowd and starts to beat the guy that did it. all hell ensues. both teams into the crowd, fans punching players, players punching fans. it was NUTS ! refs called the game at that point. pacers won.


anybody have a link to the vid?

[Fordblue625]

anybody have a link to the vid?
No kidding, I dont wanna wait to catch sportscenter.

[momo stallion]

:eek: damn!

[TonyMCev]

i can't find a link to save my life. it is now the headline on espn.com though

[crxpert]

yea, put the tv on espn, they just keep showing it and showing it.

[fixer]

here is a link to a vid of the whole situation:

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/1120/3935750.200k.asx

stupid fuckin NBA players.

no class whatsoever.

[TonyMCev]

great fucking link. that was better than what was shown on espn.

[Cammin4V]

fucking awesome...

[momo stallion]

stupid fuckin NBA players.

no class whatsoever.


stupid fucking fan. if someone poors beer on you at a bar are you gonna sit on your hands?

fuck that, this brawl was awesome and im glad it happened.

[Slow Five-O]

damn! that was some crazy shit!!!

[fixer]

stupid fucking fan. if someone poors beer on you at a bar are you gonna sit on your hands?

fuck that, this brawl was awesome and im glad it happened.

if i'm a professional athelte paid like they are i sure as hell would think 14 times before i became unhinged and started a low grade riot.

the rational response was NOT to run into the stands and attack the first person i could get a shot at.

instead of making the Detriot fans look like pigs, Artest and Co. made them look like victims.


besides, sitting on my hands is different from this...

[lowthreeohz]

holy! :eek:

[Cammin4V]

if i'm a professional athelte paid like they are i sure as hell would think 14 times before i became unhinged and started a low grade riot.

the rational response was NOT to run into the stands and attack the first person i could get a shot at.

instead of making the Detriot fans look like pigs, Artest and Co. made them look like victims.


besides, sitting on my hands is different from this...
what sport do you play? :rolleyes:

[gonzoSS]

holy fuckin shit that was insane.
i smell lawsuit

[fixer]

what sport do you play? :rolleyes:

who said i played any sport?

[ThreeFingerPete]

who said i played any sport?

i think that's his point.

[JackFlash19]

lol Everyone messed up on this one. Especially the dumbass fan who threw the beer on artest. I don't blame artest for going after the dumbass who did that. He probably shouldn't have, but what would you do if someone threw beer on you? I'd knock them the fuck out. I laughed my ass off when that prick walked onto the court and headed towards artest and he hit the fan, then when the fan was getting back up, o'neal clocked his ass. hahaha that was priceless. Punkass kid got what he deserves. Those fans are a disgrace to the entire sports world. Freakin morons.

[SS Junk]

What a fucking disgrace. I know this is the stereotype kind of response, but for all the parents who take their small kids to games, what if they were in the path to some of that shit that went down? It's fuckig inexcusable. If I want to take my 5y/o to a game do I now have to fear for his safety as if I was in Oak Cliff?
All who are involved should be fucking thrown out of the rest of the season w/ no pay. Fans who threw shit should be banned from the arena for life.
Fuck that shit. And it's only going to get worse. Too many WWE watching wannabe fuckwits these days.

[ALLAN]

lol Everyone messed up on this one. Especially the dumbass fan who threw the beer on artest. I don't blame artest for going after the dumbass who did that. He probably shouldn't have, but what would you do if someone threw beer on you? I'd knock them the fuck out. I laughed my ass off when that prick walked onto the court and headed towards artest and he hit the fan, then when the fan was getting back up, o'neal clocked his ass. hahaha that was priceless. Punkass kid got what he deserves. Those fans are a disgrace to the entire sports world. Freakin morons.

Looks like that guy got jumped by multiple people befroe he could fight back.

[PooterWS6]

What a fucking disgrace. I know this is the stereotype kind of response, but for all the parents who take their small kids to games, what if they were in the path to some of that shit that went down? It's fuckig inexcusable. If I want to take my 5y/o to a game do I now have to fear for his safety as if I was in Oak Cliff?
All who are involved should be fucking thrown out of the rest of the season w/ no pay. Fans who threw shit should be banned from the arena for life.
Fuck that shit. And it's only going to get worse. Too many WWE watching wannabe fuckwits these days.

True dat.
At a public sporting event, you shouldnt have to fear for your safety.
I am wondering about the people that had little kids there, i bet they ran out as soon as they could. :mad:
Im sure that was great for the children to see. :rolleyes:

The ones that participated in the fight should be fined heavily and banned for the season, i understand that you would get pissed if someone threw something at you, but you have to control yourself when you are a paid athelete, or you get fined, plain and simple.

[Boss Hogg]

My wife and I were watching ESPN like it was the Zapruder film. From what I saw...
1. Artest probably went after the wrong person. The guy he went after was pretty far away and still had a big plastic cup of drink in his hand. Fan #1 will get paid bigtime! Especially, if they can prove he didn't throw anything. I think Artest went after him because he was the smallest guy. He sure didn't want any piece of Wallace.

2. After that, another Fan #2 doused Artest and Jackson hit him. He will get paid because he wasn't threatening Artest or Jackson. Jackson had the crazy eye on the court and wanted to hit someone.

3. Fan #3 came onto the court into a fighting stance but did not have his hands up to fight, Artest swung at him. The fan shouldn't have bowed up. He may not get paid.

4. Fan #4 came to Fan #3s rescue. And pushed Artest off of him. A big guy in a suit clocks him in the back of the head. After they are seperated, chump O'Neal comes in and sucker punches Fan #4 from the side. :rolleyes: Fan #4 will get paid bigtime!

Overall, basketball players suck at fighting.

[HookEm]

i do not want to see suspensions. it was being handled fine until the cup of beer came flying in. the nba needs to step up its security measures. that shit could have gotten a lot nastier. i think artest needed better self restraint, but what would you do if i threw a cup of beer and it hit you in the chin ? you would want to punch me in the face.

Artest started it all with his cheap shot foul.
That punk ass thug needs to be kicked out, and banend from the NBA, for life.

[HookEm]

The players, and solely the players, particularly Artest are to blame. F that punk thug. BAN HIS ASS FOR LIFE. IF someone threw beer on me, after I cheapshotted someone, and was making a spectacle of myself, I think I'd manage without charging a group of fans. You laughed your ass off over some punk thug, sucker punchin ghetto fight? Speaks volumes about you.

lol Everyone messed up on this one. Especially the dumbass fan who threw the beer on artest. I don't blame artest for going after the dumbass who did that. He probably shouldn't have, but what would you do if someone threw beer on you? I'd knock them the fuck out. I laughed my ass off when that prick walked onto the court and headed towards artest and he hit the fan, then when the fan was getting back up, o'neal clocked his ass. hahaha that was priceless. Punkass kid got what he deserves. Those fans are a disgrace to the entire sports world. Freakin morons.

[HookEm]

stupid fucking fan. if someone poors beer on you at a bar are you gonna sit on your hands?

fuck that, this brawl was awesome and im glad it happened.

What does the price of oil in west Texas have to do with this?

They werent equals on an equal playing field.

One was a set of paying viewers, the other was a set of paid players.

You really cant see the diff between that and a bunch of dudes at a bar?????

[momo stallion]

What does the price of oil in west Texas have to do with this?

They werent equals on an equal playing field.

One was a set of paying viewers, the other was a set of paid players.

You really cant see the diff between that and a bunch of dudes at a bar?????


i dont care about the price of oil in west texas.

did it need to be organized? i didnt know brawls worked that way.

cool.

i can.


obviously you have a personal issue to work out with the punk thug. im not a fan of him nor the pacers, and i agree it was a cheap shot on his part. im sure he would have gotten a flagrant foul, but i know wallace needed to get ejected, not cause his initially hit/push but b/c he wouldnt back off.

my point: the bottom line, it was fun to watch. i dont care about the children who saw it and i dont care what the results will be after everyone gets fined/suspended.

[HookEm]

I'll admit it was a bit fun to watch.
But there's no place for that in the NBA.
Artest is a proven thug, and needs to be perma banned, a la Pete Rose.
IMHO, what he did was WORSE than anything Rose allegedly did.

i dont care about the price of oil in west texas.

did it need to be organized? i didnt know brawls worked that way.

cool.

i can.


obviously you have a personal issue to work out with the punk thug. im not a fan of him nor the pacers, and i agree it was a cheap shot on his part. im sure he would have gotten a flagrant foul, but i know wallace needed to get ejected, not cause his initially hit/push but b/c he wouldnt back off.

my point: the bottom line, it was fun to watch. i dont care about the children who saw it and i dont care what the results will be after everyone gets fined/suspended.

[JackFlash19]

The players, and solely the players, particularly Artest are to blame. F that punk thug. BAN HIS ASS FOR LIFE. IF someone threw beer on me, after I cheapshotted someone, and was making a spectacle of myself, I think I'd manage without charging a group of fans. You laughed your ass off over some punk thug, sucker punchin ghetto fight? Speaks volumes about you.


How can you say the players are solely to blame? The fan threw beer on artest. The cheap shot he made the play before is totally irrelevant. That fan knew he was throwing it on a hot head, what do you think he was thinking would happen? I understand you want artest banned for life, I don't like him either, but it's not like he went and started swinging at random fans. He went after the guy who threw the beer. And no, I didn't laugh my ass off at the whole fight. I laughed my ass off at the fan who deserved it, the one who walked on the court acting like he was gonna do somethin. Once you walk on the court, you step out of the realm of fan and into the realm of trespasser. What about the fans who were throwing everything on the players as they were walking out? and that big black guy swingin at jones, and the dude in the white had tryin to hit artest. Hell the damn chair that was thrown. None of these people were involved to begin with besides artest and beerman. It escalated when fan #2 threw his beer on artest also. Granted maybe artest shouldn't have headed into the stands, he is to blame for that. But the fans are to blame for it going further than artest and beerfag. Solely the fans. Because everything else after that the players were in self defense.

[HookEm]

Had ARtest not gone after Wallace with a cheap sorry foul, and then runs over and starts clowning on the scorer's table, none of it happens.
I hear what you're saying, but I disagree.


How can you say the players are solely to blame? The fan threw beer on artest. The cheap shot he made the play before is totally irrelevant. That fan knew he was throwing it on a hot head, what do you think he was thinking would happen? I understand you want artest banned for life, I don't like him either, but it's not like he went and started swinging at random fans. He went after the guy who threw the beer. And no, I didn't laugh my ass off at the whole fight. I laughed my ass off at the fan who deserved it, the one who walked on the court acting like he was gonna do somethin. Once you walk on the court, you step out of the realm of fan and into the realm of trespasser. What about the fans who were throwing everything on the players as they were walking out? and that big black guy swingin at jones, and the dude in the white had tryin to hit artest. Hell the damn chair that was thrown. None of these people were involved to begin with besides artest and beerman. It escalated when fan #2 threw his beer on artest also. Granted maybe artest shouldn't have headed into the stands, he is to blame for that. But the fans are to blame for it going further than artest and beerfag. Solely the fans. Because everything else after that the players were in self defense.

[JackFlash19]

Had ARtest not gone after Wallace with a cheap sorry foul, and then runs over and starts clowning on the scorer's table, none of it happens.
I hear what you're saying, but I disagree.

So you're saying that had artest never made that cheap foul, the fan would have never thrown the beer on him? Maybe, but you can't play the game, cheap foul or not, with the fear of fans throwing shit at you for it. It doesn't matter what happened on the court, the fan should have just drank his beer in his seat.

[HookEm]

So you're saying that had artest never made that cheap foul, the fan would have never thrown the beer on him? Maybe, but you can't play the game, cheap foul or not, with the fear of fans throwing shit at you for it. It doesn't matter what happened on the court, the fan should have just drank his beer in his seat.

If Artest doesnt go after Wallace, and then pull his crap on the scorer's table, i'd say with a level of certainty, the beer incident never occurs.

Why waste a 10 dollar beer on that piece of trash? Beats the hell outta me. I Agree with u...he was out of line.

Bottom line...suspensions and fines are coming, and some fans are about to get PAID in a big way.

[JackFlash19]

If Artest doesnt go after Wallace, and then pull his crap on the scorer's table, i'd say with a level of certainty, the beer incident never occurs.

Why waste a 10 dollar beer on that piece of trash? Beats the hell outta me. I Agree with u...he was out of line.

Bottom line...suspensions and fines are coming, and some fans are about to get PAID in a big way.

LOL makes me wish I got hit. I'd be up for 6 figures at least!

[HookEm]

LOL makes me wish I got hit. I'd be up for 6 figures at least!


I'm saying!

[Tiny Tim]

fuck the fans. they deserved everything they received. anyone who sticks up for shit like throwing beer and physically harassing players is probably one of the types that would do something like that.

[TorchRedStang]

I think what they did was totally wrong and I think they should probably be banned forever from the NBA. BUT, every fan I saw that got the crap beaten out of them either threw beer or cheap shots at the players... throwing beer or a beer cup at someones face is assault! I don't think those fans will get any money out of it.. they may sue and it may cost the players some big lawyer fees but I don't think anyone is going to award someone who assaulted a person first. Any fan that does something like that deserves to get the crap beaten out of them.. they weren't just talking trash like they Texas Rangers incident a while back, they were throwing crap at the guys face! If all of these people get paid for this I can't even imagine what that will do for professional sports... go to a game and throw something at a multi million dollar player and get a bunch of money.

[Tiny Tim]

I think what they did was totally wrong and I think they should probably be banned forever from the NBA. Why? Maybe the fans will STFU next time w/ the personal and racial comments. Some of the shit that I heard from the stands at SMU while I was playing was worthy of an ass-beating. The comments didn't have anything to do with playing either.. Most were racial or personal in origin.. the internet provides a lot of information about people these days.. it is amazing what people know and the shit that they will say. Fans somehow think they have the right or 'protection' to say anything that they want. Well finally something happened to change that.

[HookEm]

racial comments?
uhm, what?
Artest is a punk, period. This is not his first strike.

Why? Maybe the fans will STFU next time w/ the personal and racial comments. Some of the shit that I heard from the stands at SMU while I was playing was worthy of an ass-beating. The comments didn't have anything to do with playing either.. Most were racial or personal in origin.. the internet provides a lot of information about people these days.. it is amazing what people know and the shit that they will say. Fans somehow think they have the right or 'protection' to say anything that they want. Well finally something happened to change that.

[fixer]

i think that's his point.


right...so that because i don't play any sport means my commentary isn't valid...

bright one isn't he?

[PhatdowninTx]

haha yall are pussies i think that the basketball players(pacers) were right for what they did. They got money and can do what ever they want. Million Dollar rule! But all i know is that if i got hit in the face with a beer i would beat their ass to. Jus my opinion.

[HookEm]

They got money and can do what ever they want. Million Dollar rule!

right.
You're prob one of thsoe tools that cheered after OJ was aquitted, using that logic.

[Kaji]

damn, Artest dropped that fan on the court!

[Tiny Tim]

right...so that because i don't play any sport means my commentary isn't valid...
pretty much. i would like to see how many of you would react while someone is pummeling you with words of insult for 40+ minutes. then tell me how easy it is to keep your temper under control.

[Tiny Tim]

racial comments?
uhm, what?
Artest is a punk, period. This is not his first strike.
Did you ever play sports? Just curious. That is all I ever see you post up about.

[HookEm]

pretty much. i would like to see how many of you would react while someone is pummeling you with words of insult for 40+ minutes. then tell me how easy it is to keep your temper under control.

been there done that.
I played basketball games @ GP and SGP, as well as Duncanville.
Ditto for football.

We were spat on, ahd cups thrown at us, ice, called names...name it, we got it done to us.

And NEVER did we consider charging a friggin fan.

It was very easy, because we had coaches that woulda busted our asses back at the field house, and then ran us for several hours.

[ALLAN]

Are you trying to say that Grand Prairie has turned ghetto??? :D

[HookEm]

Are you trying to say that Grand Prairie has turned ghetto??? :D

This was in the mid-late 80s.....

[HookEm]

Did you ever play sports? Just curious. That is all I ever see you post up about.

Played basketball from 7yrs old-HS
Played football from 8yrs-frosh yr of college
ran track thru frosh yr of HS
played baseball up thru HS

Then, I ref'd basketball for 3-4 yrs, before I started coaching it...

www.eteamz.com/runninhorns

[Philip]

pretty much. i would like to see how many of you would react while someone is pummeling you with words of insult for 40+ minutes. then tell me how easy it is to keep your temper under control.

My question is where the hell was security? You see more ESPN camera guys that you do security.

The good news for Artest is he is going to have plenty of time to promote his new album coming out - he's going to have sell a lot of them to pay for that fat check he is about to write.

[11B2V_Mike]

anyone have a link to the vid in WMV format?

[mustang_marc]

And Artest has an album due to be released on Tuesday. I wonder how many people will boycott because of the melee?

I know what Artest did was wrong, but maybe a few incidents like this (this one and the Francisco incident) is what is needed for fans to realize that buying a ticket to a game doesn't buy them the rights to act like a 6 year old and do what they want without consequence.

Security is also an issue. It was pretty lacking in the area near the court.

[HookEm]

Indiana's Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson and Detroit's Ben Wallace have been suspended indefinitely by the NBA for their roles in Friday's brawl with Pistons fans.

NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA suspended four players indefinitely Saturday for their roles in one of the worst-ever brawls in the league, a fight with fans that commissioner David Stern called "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable."

Police in Auburn Hills, Mich., were investigating, but did not comment on who might be charged.

[TorchRedStang]

Why? Maybe the fans will STFU next time w/ the personal and racial comments. Some of the shit that I heard from the stands at SMU while I was playing was worthy of an ass-beating. The comments didn't have anything to do with playing either.. Most were racial or personal in origin.. the internet provides a lot of information about people these days.. it is amazing what people know and the shit that they will say. Fans somehow think they have the right or 'protection' to say anything that they want. Well finally something happened to change that.


I'm not saying the fans didn't deserve what they got at all... read my post... I said that the basketball players were assaulted by every one of the fans that got beaten down first so I don't see how they can justify any kind of money out of it. The fact is, these are PROFESSIONAL athletes being paid millions of dollars. They need to act professional. If anything, I think the teams need to have security that travels with them for crap like this... If I were a million dollar a year player and wanted to beat someones ass, i'd pay some thug to do it for me. I think that anyone that does something like this should be ban from professional sports for good. If you can't be professional you should be playing. I think that the NBA should fine the home team everytime something like this happens.. make it a big huge fine at that... I think that would encourage them to get more security and to be harder on obnoxious fans.

[GE]

If you're a fan and decide that you're going to step on the court... you're gonna get what's coming to you.

Here's another one of the ESPN vids.

http://students.washington.edu/tkz/Fight.avi

[HookEm]

If you're a fan and decide that you're going to step on the court... you're gonna get what's coming to you.

Here's another one of the ESPN vids.

http://students.washington.edu/tkz/Fight.avi

By that logic, if 200 fans had jumped a player in the stands and beat the everloving crap outta him, he woulda got what was coming to him, too?

[GE]

By that logic, if 200 fans had jumped a player in the stands and beat the everloving crap outta him, he woulda got what was coming to him, too?

I think anyone bowing up to someone else gets whats coming to them. If you're dumb enough to do it, well.... sucks to be you.

[HookEm]

I think anyone bowing up to someone else gets whats coming to them. If you're dumb enough to do it, well.... sucks to be you.

I see what you're saying, but I also see them as paid PROFESSIONALS.
They get paid big bucks...they can deal.

[JackFlash19]

They got money and can do what ever they want. Million Dollar rule!

Reminds me of those gotti pricks....

[Tiny Tim]

If I were a million dollar a year player and wanted to beat someones ass, i'd pay some thug to do it for me.
lol. not a bad idea

[Sean88gt]

You can take a brother out of the ghetto...

I have to sit back and LMAO. No class.

[JMAC]

I'm not saying the fans didn't deserve what they got at all... read my post... I said that the basketball players were assaulted by every one of the fans that got beaten down first so I don't see how they can justify any kind of money out of it. The fact is, these are PROFESSIONAL athletes being paid millions of dollars. They need to act professional. If anything, I think the teams need to have security that travels with them for crap like this... If I were a million dollar a year player and wanted to beat someones ass, i'd pay some thug to do it for me. I think that anyone that does something like this should be ban from professional sports for good. If you can't be professional you should be playing. I think that the NBA should fine the home team everytime something like this happens.. make it a big huge fine at that... I think that would encourage them to get more security and to be harder on obnoxious fans.I feel the same way. They get paid millions to play a game so they should have some type of professionalism. The fan was not right but going after him was just stupid.

[A BLACK MAN'S COUPE]

I feel the same way. They get paid millions to play a game so they should have some type of professionalism. The fan was not right but going after him was just stupid.
true

[DON SVO]

i dont understand this "they make millions, the players were wrong" attitude. that is absolutely retarded. how does their income justify NO retailiation? i think that each and every fan that ASSAULTED a player deserved having his ass beat. each and every fan that ASSAULTED a player (Artest) who was in the process of beating said fan's ass, then in turn got their ass beat for ASSAULTING said player, deserves his ass being beat. any fan retarded enough to frolic onto the court and *giggles* TRY to ASSAULT Artest deserved the glorious ass-whipping they got.

i am goddamn tired of these faggot fucking fans harassing and ASSAULTING players from ANY sport. fuck that. what gives fans the right to ASSAULT a NBA player and not recieve any sort or retirbution? oh yes, its fuckheads like HOOKEM that think its perfectly fine to assault a player simply due to their income level.

"they makes lots of money, he should just bent over and let the fan fuck him in his ass while he was at it." you are a stupid cow, Hookem. hopefully, you will eat a bad oyster and spend weeks in the hospital with the worst case of food poisoning known to man. and then Artest will come in and punch you in your stomach.

while i am on an "ANTI STUPID FUCKING FAN" tear.... who's about that dumb bitch that got hit in the nose with a chair at the ranger game? boo hoo, i wish the chair took her fucking eye out as well. that dumb whore needed to be dumped in a ditch with a garbage bag ziptied around her fat fucking neck. she and her husband admitted on TV that they got those seats for the sole purpose of harassing players. what an ignorant cunt. you pay money to see a game, not badger, harass and insult people you dont even know.

too many morons think that just because they are the paying fan, they are entitled to say whatever they feel is OK to professional sports players. why? oh yes, because they make BIG MONEY. what does that have to do with the price of a 1-legged hooker in Thailand? not a fucking thing.

don't ASSAULT someone and expect them to sit there like a bitch and take it. if i ever got it into my head that was going to ASSAULT a professional athlete, especially one as large as Artest, i better know i might be biting off a big piece of gristle. bust out the steak knives, 'cause we're gonna have to saw thru this one!

[Stroked87]

IMO Ben Wallace was the start of all this, yes Artest hard fouled him but it was not a flagrant fowl, although it initially looked like it after seeing the replay a hundred times it was clear that it was not a flagrant. Fouls are part of the fucking game, every player fouls but for Wallace to go after Artest like he did is what set the whole thing in motion. I think Artest is a peice of shit as well and I was extremely surprised to see him lay down on the scorers table and not be in the middle of it. Wallace kept it going up until that point as well by taunting him verbally and throwing his towel at him etc.
Now, on to the player/fan part of the brawl, Artest was completely wrong to charge the stands and top it off with the fact that he went after the wrong guy. Jackson is wrong for clocking the second dude to throw the beer, the punk in the blue shirt and white hat is a bitch for throwing sucker punches on Artest and the Jones was up there trying to break it up when some big black dude started tagging him from behind. The fan that bowed up to Artest on the side line deserved to get tagged, even though he was not in an offensive posture you don't buck up to someone who has already been fighting and not expect to get swung on. The second fan that came in to help his buddy out got the worst of it all, not only did he get hit by Artest but he got it from the big dude in the suit and then when he was trying to get up and off the floor he got sucker punched hardcore by O'neal. Personally I think O'neal is a peice of shit for doing that, and he was supposed to be the poster boy for the NBA. And then there are the fans that continued to throw shit at the players going into the locker room......Assholes!!

All in all it was one of the most disgracing thing I have seen in a sporting event and while it was cool to see at first, I hope to never see anything like that happen again, at least not when it involves fans. I mean we are supposed to be the reason they play!!

[crxpert]

honestly, if i were artest i would have thrown that water bottle back at him and hit the locker room.

[mustang_marc]

I think that the NBA should fine the home team everytime something like this happens.. make it a big huge fine at that... I think that would encourage them to get more security and to be harder on obnoxious fans.Agreed. They definitely need to be harder on the fans. If they get obnoxious, give them a warning...if they keep it up...get them out of there. If people start realizing they'll get thrown out of the building/stadium for even fairly minute stuff, I'd be willing they'd tone it down a little.

[Undergroundking]

I see what you're saying, but I also see them as paid PROFESSIONALS.
They get paid big bucks...they can deal.


Yep, and who pays their salary? THE FANS!

No fans = No more millions

[wiha-5.0]

Ben Wallace started that shit. Artest's foul wasn't even that hard... Wallace landed on his feet. Jackson and O'neil got the best shots in... O'neil laid that one fan out.

[HookEm]

Ben Wallace started that shit. Artest's foul wasn't even that hard... Wallace landed on his feet. Jackson and O'neil got the best shots in... O'neil laid that one fan out.

The game was OVER when Artest came in with a hard, cheap, unncessary foul.
He knew what he was doing....
Some of you act as if Artest is some choir boy.
He's a gangsta hoopsta......well, he ain't a hoopsta no more, so I guess he's just a gangsta.....screw him.

[HookEm]

i dont understand this "they make millions, the players were wrong" attitude. that is absolutely retarded. how does their income justify NO retailiation?

They are paid PROFESSIONALS. What retaliation would you suggest for PAPER and tepid LIQUID?



Ithink that each and every fan that ASSAULTED a player deserved having his ass beat. each and every fan that ASSAULTED a player (Artest) who was in the process of beating said fan's ass, then in turn got their ass beat for ASSAULTING said player, deserves his ass being beat. any fan retarded enough to frolic onto the court and *giggles* TRY to ASSAULT Artest deserved the glorious ass-whipping they got.
So, the thugs you defend DESERVE to be able to run in he stands and play tuff guy, and the fans DESERVE to be assaulted........alrighty then, chief.


i am goddamn tired of these faggot fucking fans harassing and ASSAULTING players from ANY sport. fuck that. what gives fans the right to ASSAULT a NBA player and not recieve any sort or retirbution? oh yes, its fuckheads like HOOKEM that think its perfectly fine to assault a player simply due to their income level.
I've said repeatedly the fans were wrong, fuckhead. Now your dumb ass thinks fans shouldnt be able to say anything to players? F that. They paid their ticket, they can say what the GD want to, as long as its within the realm of common sense.

"they makes lots of money, he should just bent over and let the fan fuck him in his ass while he was at it." you are a stupid cow, Hookem. hopefully, you will eat a bad oyster and spend weeks in the hospital with the worst case of food poisoning known to man. and then Artest will come in and punch you in your stomach.
No, I said he should have behaved as what he paid to be: a professional. Like Fat Albert said....You just like school in the summah time....NO CLASS. Someone yells at a thug player you like, they should be killed. Someone disagrees with you, they should be in the hospital. You have to have the world's biggest case of little dick syndrome.


while i am on an "ANTI STUPID FUCKING FAN" tear.... who's about that dumb bitch that got hit in the nose with a chair at the ranger game? boo hoo, i wish the chair took her fucking eye out as well. that dumb whore needed to be dumped in a ditch with a garbage bag ziptied around her fat fucking neck. she and her husband admitted on TV that they got those seats for the sole purpose of harassing players. what an ignorant cunt. you pay money to see a game, not badger, harass and insult people you dont even know.
She should be dead because she did something you disagree with?
Sig Heil, eh?

too many morons think that just because they are the paying fan, they are entitled to say whatever they feel is OK to professional sports players. why? oh yes, because they make BIG MONEY. what does that have to do with the price of a 1-legged hooker in Thailand? not a fucking thing.

don't ASSAULT someone and expect them to sit there like a bitch and take it. if i ever got it into my head that was going to ASSAULT a professional athlete, especially one as large as Artest, i better know i might be biting off a big piece of gristle. bust out the steak knives, 'cause we're gonna have to saw thru this one!

Your whole phlegm flying foaming at the mouth rant is basically...he got liquid and paper thrown on him....he should be able to murder the guy who did it...
gimme a fuckin break, and grow the fuck up. You're a real bad ass keyboard jockey...if you'd put down the 20-sided die, wipe the cheeto sain off of your fingers, and re-read your post, you'd realize how much of a fucktard your last post makes you sound.

[DON SVO]

They are paid PROFESSIONALS. What retaliation would you suggest for PAPER and tepid LIQUID?

if there is a crazy-ass scene like this one going on withing 10 feet of me, and i purposely throw a cup of beer at a professional basketball players head... i deserve to have my ass kicked. why are you defending those retards in the stands? how about i bean your mother in the full with a full cup of beer, with you standing right by her... are you just gonna glare at me? how about if you and some people were in a VERY heated argument after a very long, very heated game of basketball with only seconds remaning... and alot was riding on the next decision made by somer refs. now i take aim, and pot-shot a full beer into your head. whatchya gonna do? sit there and say, 'its cool, i was thirsty.' you must think i am dumb to believe you would sit there. you're a hot-headed moron yourself. i highly doubt you would sit there and be cool. YES, THAT FAN DESERVED HAVING HIS IGNORANT ASS BEAT. it was a foolish stupid thing to do.

So, the thugs you defend DESERVE to be able to run in he stands and play tuff guy, and the fans DESERVE to be assaulted........alrighty then, chief.

i dont defend any thug. i dislike artest. i have for a few years now, he's a tool. but i also feel that sports fans have no right assaulting sports players. this shit is getting worse, something like this was bound to happen. i honestly expected it to happen in a baseball game, tho. artest, o'neal... hell, nowitzki and finley... you DO NOT have the right to hit a professional athlete in the head with a full cup of beer! why are you so retarded? why do you twist up what i said? he wasn't playing tuff guy: the fan hit him in the head with a beer. he was already very angry. what a stupid thing to do.


I've said repeatedly the fans were wrong, fuckhead. Now your dumb ass thinks fans shouldnt be able to say anything to players? F that. They paid their ticket, they can say what the GD want to, as long as its within the realm of common sense.

i've always felt that you were stupid, hook'em. are you sure you didnt go to A&M?

FANS HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THE KIND OF THINGS TO PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES THAT THEY SAY. i've heard your basic heckling. thats cool. but like Tiny Tim said, alot of idiots say some STUPID SHIT. i sat by a group of guys at a ranger game who hassled the opponent's third baseman for almost 4 straight innings... after they got drunk of course. lets see some choice phrases... "nigger" "porch monkey" "no-catching jungle bunny" all while throwing pennies at him while he is trying to concentrate, as i saw him get wiffed by a few of the coins... and there is no way in hell that guy couldnt hear them. people around us were getting a little bit unsettled...

you think just because they paid for a ticket they can do that kind of shit? you're making me nervous.

No, I said he should have behaved as what he paid to be: a professional. Like Fat Albert said....You just like school in the summah time....NO CLASS. Someone yells at a thug player you like, they should be killed. Someone disagrees with you, they should be in the hospital.

this has nothing to do with me. quit twisting my words, numbnuts. i never said i liked artest. as i stated earlier, i DONT like him whatsoever. professional? i am a professional mechanic. if someone hits me in the head with a cup of beer, and i UNprofessional when i clock that fucker upside the head for his PURPOSEFUL ASSAULT on me? no, i am just returning the favor.

You have to have the world's biggest case of little dick syndrome.

actually, i was going to say the same thing about you. all you do is cry about how its perfectly OK to fuck with players because they have lots of money... whats wrong, hookem? is working at the waffle house for minimum wage not cutting it? getting jealous of those 'overpaid THUGS'? you dullard.

She should be dead because she did something you disagree with?
Sig Heil, eh?

nah, i was being facetious really. i just wish he had hit that stupid bitch alot harder.

Your whole phlegm flying foaming at the mouth rant is basically...he got liquid and paper thrown on him....he should be able to murder the guy who did it...

i never said that. i said the fan got his deserved ass-beating. next, Mr. Kerry? anything else you would like to take out of context? oh yes, your next line of fecal debris... let me comment on that one as well...

gimme a fuckin break, and grow the fuck up. You're a real bad ass keyboard jockey...if you'd put down the 20-sided die, wipe the cheeto sain off of your fingers, and re-read your post, you'd realize how much of a fucktard your last post makes you sound.

anyone who knows me knows im not a keyboard warrior. i will talk shit to your face as easily as i will in this forum. i would gladly tell you what a fucking idiot you are. quit being a girl, quit crying about money making hitting someone OK, quit ragging on artest just because you dont like him, and quit being retarded. they have pills for that.

PS - cheetos suck, bitch.

[mustang_marc]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/11/21/brawl.suspensions.ap/

Report: Pacers' Artest suspended for 30 games
Posted: Sunday November 21, 2004 2:47PM

NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA reportedly is handing down 70 games worth of suspensions to the Indiana Pacers for their role in a brawl during the final minute of Friday's 97-82 win at Detroit.

A Detroit television station (WDIV-TV) reported that Pacers forward Ron Artest will be suspended for 30 games while teammates Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson will sit out 20 games apiece. The station said Pistons center Ben Wallace will serve a five-game suspension.

Artest and Wallace traded shoves with about 46 seconds left in the game. Artest eventually went to the scorer's table, where a fan threw a cup at him. Artest and Jackson charged into the stands, inciting a full-scale riot. O'Neal fought with fans who raced to the court during the melee.

NBA commissioner David Stern called the incident "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable," saying it was a humiliation for everyone associated with the league

[DON SVO]

A Detroit television station (WDIV-TV) reported that Pacers forward Ron Artest will be suspended for 30 games while teammates Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson will sit out 20 games apiece. The station said Pistons center Ben Wallace will serve a five-game suspension.

Artest is a lucky bastard. i anticipated him being kicked the whole season.

[TorchRedStang]

Artest is a lucky bastard. i anticipated him being kicked the whole season.

What about the Pistons players that were in the stands fighting? Wan't Wallace fighting in the stands? I think all of them got off easy..

[fixer]

i think that is a rather weak punishment. but hey, the NBA has to protect their thugs.

:rolleyes:

[HookEm]

What about the Pistons players that were in the stands fighting? Wan't Wallace fighting in the stands? I think all of them got off easy..

wallace was on the court, never in the stands

[HookEm]

Artest gone for the season.

Good farkin riddance!
www.cnnsi.com

[Boss Hogg]

Now he has plenty of time to publicize his rap record.

[crxpert]

you are confusing rashed with ben. rasheed wallace(bald spot on head)was trying to break it up.



the dude that artest went after didn't even throw anything. and he knew it. while he was beating him up he was saying"did you throw it". i think the league did a good job on the reprocushions.


now artest can go promote his rap album. LOL!

[DON SVO]

yes, i THINK ben went into the stands but it was only to try and calm things down. he did nothing but try to beat artest's ass.

[midnight]

For the NBA, justice served! Now they need to go after some certain fans.

[lee earley]

you can take the player out of the ghetto. but you cant take the ghetto out of the player. and i also think ron artest is horrible for the sport of basketball. that crazy multi-personality fucker needs to see a fuckin head doctor. i think he wakes up in a new universe each day thinking how society is gonna screw him over each day. so he goes out and makes an ass of him self....

[JimD]

I'm really suprised the rioting didn't continue outside, it was in Detroit afterall.

[AFJsvt]

Fans were wrong, PERIOD. Security in Detroit should take alot of the blame as well. They were TOO slow and that is absolutely uncalled for. Fans should NEVER be allowed on the court, and the fans that did "venture" onto the hardwood did so several minutes AFTER the melee in the stands. Absolutely unacceptable, by security.
Ron Artest deserved a suspension, I feel it was a bit harsh, but understand why David Stern went that route. Artest is an athlete and a big time superstar in one of the worlds most recognized sports. He's been there before and knows what to expect in a "hostile" environment. No matter what happens, security is there to escort fans that are "threatening" to players. Artest knows this and broke the golden rule of player-fan interaction.

[Da Prez]

ron was too scared of wallace so he went to whip up on some fans, what a lil bitch...

[Monsoon X]

If you run off at the mouth. Someone will eventually plug it up for you.

Those fans probably thought they were posting on an internet forum and figured they could be tough and say what's on their mind. Sorry, real world fellas. Talk noise, you're gonna get popped in your loud mouth.



The only fan I would give some respect to is the two that went on court. They got dropped but, they went down the true warrior way.

[1BAD2K]

did anybody see at the end when that kinda fat guy got knocked in the head, stood back up and got fucking KO'd?

[Boss Hogg]

ron was too scared of wallace so he went to whip up on some fans, what a lil bitch...
Yep, and he went after the smallest guy he could find.

did anybody see at the end when that kinda fat guy got knocked in the head, stood back up and got fucking KO'd?
Are you proud of a O'Neal sucker punching a guy while he was getting up?

[HookEm]

The only fan I would give some respect to is the two that went on court. They got dropped but, they went down the true warrior way.


sure, and Kevin Winslow is a "soldier."

There are warriors, and there are....drunk fans or NBA players.

No one in this incident was a warrior..

[Monsoon X]

There are warriors, and there are....drunk fans or NBA players.

No one in this incident was a warrior..

Sure they were. Whether by drunkeness or just plain trash talking, the fight was started. Once it's started, knuckle up and get at it. You talk noise, one day, you will get hit for it. It kills me when people do things that deserve an A-whopping but cry like a baby when it happens. If you're gonna say things that can incite someone to hit you, be like those two fans who were man enough to "buck up".

I look at this debacle with a humorous indifference. It's a fight. Plain and simple. I've seen and experienced a ton of 'em, it's no big deal. It's not even startling. They are atheletes! What is a "Professional Athlete" anyway? Just because they play for a living and make lots of money they need to act a certain way? That's crazy. You people expect entirely too much from athletes and actors and the whole lot.



Artest? I don't care that he got fined. Doesn't matter to me. You call him a low-life and you nothing about the man. He is what he is. A guy that "used" to make a ton of money. LOL

Eventually, fans will learn to keep their mouths closed.
Just like people that have road rage and lose their temper to the wrong person.

PS. OJ is innocent. The court system said so. Get over it. :D

[Stew w/00&92]

I think too much blame is unfairly placed on the security.How can you plan for somethin like this,you shouldn't have to.Everything happened so quick that there was really no way to stop it......Artest should have stayed calm and jsut had the fan thrown out.He is an antagonist.....if he wanted to fight so bad he should have thrown down with Wallace and not some 5'8",165 pound white guy.....

[Monsoon X]

Sometimes you just wanna be like Bush........and go fight somebody! ;)

[HookEm]

lol...u have some good points, I jsut don't agree with all of them.
As to At-rest, he still has his rap career.....
:rolleyes:


Sure they were. Whether by drunkeness or just plain trash talking, the fight was started. Once it's started, knuckle up and get at it. You talk noise, one day, you will get hit for it. It kills me when people do things that deserve an A-whopping but cry like a baby when it happens. If you're gonna say things that can incite someone to hit you, be like those two fans who were man enough to "buck up".

I look at this debacle with a humorous indifference. It's a fight. Plain and simple. I've seen and experienced a ton of 'em, it's no big deal. It's not even startling. They are atheletes! What is a "Professional Athlete" anyway? Just because they play for a living and make lots of money they need to act a certain way? That's crazy. You people expect entirely too much from athletes and actors and the whole lot.



Artest? I don't care that he got fined. Doesn't matter to me. You call him a low-life and you nothing about the man. He is what he is. A guy that "used" to make a ton of money. LOL

Eventually, fans will learn to keep their mouths closed.
Just like people that have road rage and lose their temper to the wrong person.

PS. OJ is innocent. The court system said so. Get over it. :D

[1BAD2K]

Are you proud of a O'Neal sucker punching a guy while he was getting up?
as a matter of fact, kinda, because that shit looked cool :D

[YoBro]

For all those that think the players had the right to go into the stands after the spectators, I think the combined $10 million they are losing in salary says otherwise. I think Stephen Jackson should be out for a yr as well, he went inot the seats swinging at everyone acting like a thug that he is. Jermaine O'neal is a punk bitch too sucker punching that guy. Thanks to those 3 the Pacers have no shot at a title this yr, if I was there teammate I wouldnt support them at all. This is the way our society is now so get used to it.

[YoBro]

lol...u have some good points, I jsut don't agree with all of them.
As to At-rest, he still has his rap career.....
:rolleyes:

you guys are wrong about Artest and his rap career. He was the producer on the album for a female R&B artist, he sang 18 seconds of 1 song. Just an FYI

[01WhiteCobra]

http://espn.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/1111/photo/r_artest_hi.jpg

Yes, he did produce an R&B record, but also has said he is working on his own album on his "off days". I guess we'll see it before Christmas now!

[Cartman]

as a matter of fact, kinda, because that shit looked cool :D


well, we know how you like to fight now, like a little bitch :rolleyes: