Does Cedric have shot at Heisman ?

[hotrod66stang]

Does anyone think Cedric has a shot to win the Heisman?
Does anyone think Cedric SHOULD win the Heisman?
What will help his image, what will hurt his image?
Do you think having VY as a QB hurts his chances or helps his chances ( as in how the voters factor in whether the said candidate has any real help on the team to keep getting into the "W" column.)




I think he has a definite shot at winning the coveted award, and I also think he's very deserving of big-time recognition, although I don't think that others "in the know" think of him as highly as us UT fans or opposing fans for that matter.
I think the things that will hurt his image as the Heisman winner are... the fact that he's had 4 great seasons for UT so this one looks just like the others and not a breakout performance, and the fact that VY does have his occasional flashes of a great performer. Also, in my opinion, I think he would have been passed up on again this year for sure had chance mock been the quarterback. i think his rushing numbers would have been better, but they would have seen this really solid QB there to pick up any slack that his rushing game might leave. I think Peterson is going to fall victim to that also... he has Jason White right there who is a solid qb, who won a Heisman already, so it's not like Peterson is the ONE guy who could carry that team or makes it go.
The thing that makes him appealing for winning is the fact that he's a great performer week in and week out and has great numbers. To be #2 in the nation in any category certainly helps, and hopefully he can finish as the top running back. I know that the award is for THIS YEAR, but if they took all of his 4-year accolades into account, or the records he's set spanning his 4 years... there is no question whatsoever who would win. Just my opinion. What do y'all think, and realistically who will win and why?

[Cammin4V]

no.

[Badass2000gt]

not a chance

[HookEm]

Certainly he has a chance. He puts up another 200 yd perfromance agaisnt Aggy, and he may jsut get it.
BTW, most Aggy should never be allowed to comment on TX players. Check out texags.com sometimes....they think TJ Ford was terrible, Ricky was overrated as a collegian, and Roy Williams was just a waste of flesh blood and bones. They dont think Ced deserves to be drafted before the 3-4th round.....crazy place over there.

[Boss Hogg]

Does anyone think Cedric has a shot to win the Heisman?
Yes, look at his yardage and TDs. If Texas didn't lose to OU, he would win.

Do you think having VY as a QB hurts his chances or helps his chances ( as in how the voters factor in whether the said candidate has any real help on the team to keep getting into the "W" column.)
Good question. Vince can't throw, but is so mobile that it's like having two RBs in the backfield.

Peterson won't win because he's a freshman and will have a chance to win it in the future.

How many A&M fans think McNeal should win it over Benson?

[HookEm]

PEterson won't win because he went for a whopping 58 yards last week......
And he's a frosh.


Yes, look at his yardage and TDs. If Texas didn't lose to OU, he would win.


Good question. Vince can't throw, but is so mobile that it's like having two RBs in the backfield.

Peterson won't win because he's a freshman and will have a chance to win it in the future.

How many A&M fans think McNeal should win it over Benson?

[shrp88lx's]

How many A&M fans think McNeal should win it over Benson?
I think at the very MINIMUM he should be considered!!

[A BLACK MAN'S COUPE]

no

[PUSHROD]

maybe next year

[JasonB]

He stands a chance, because four of the other's who deserve a shot are on two teams. How many BIG games has he put up Big numbers in his career? He has about 167 career yards against Oklahoma on 57 carries, Peterson has more yards against Texas already in his career. I am using the games against OU as an example because I am an OU fan :p and that has been UT's biggest game the last three seasons. This year he has had good yards in the OSU, Arkansas, and Missouri games (I don't count the UNT, Rice, Baylor, Tech, or Colorado games as Big games, although he had great numbers in those games). He will have a big game against atm, which will help him out!
Peterson won't win because he is a freshman and because of his limited touches last week. But his two biggest games were against two of his three best opponents (OSU and UT, he barely got 100 against atm). It should be interesting since White and Peterson are on one team, and Leinart and Bush are on another, leaving Benson and Utah's Alex Smith :rolleyes: as two of the front runners for the award that won't lose votes to teammates.

Later,
Jason

[SVTVenom]

maybe next year

Seeing as how he is a Senior I don't think he'll have any chance to win it next year.

With the guys on OU and USC taking votes away from each other I see Ced winning it. He deserves every bit of it too. He's been the leading rusher most of this year and has the NCAA Div-1 record of consecutive games with at least 1 touchdown. That is impressive in itself.

Peterson has his yards due to an offense that has to be watched for both the run and the pass. Benson has an offense that is 90% run oriented and so he's facing stacked lines pretty much every down and still has better #'s than Peterson.

[99BRINGIT]

If he would have rushed for 100+ against Oklahoma, and Texas was undefeated right now, I think he would be candidate #1 at this point in the season.

[Slow Five-O]

No

[91rednotch]

No. Choked in games vs. OU. Otherwise a great player

[SVTVenom]

No. Choked in games vs. OU. Otherwise a great player

I wouldn't call 95 yards a choke, especially since there are only 2 other people that rushed for more yards against OU and one of those was by only 1 yard.

[91rednotch]

look at all of his games against OU dumbass.

[JasonB]

Peterson has his yards due to an offense that has to be watched for both the run and the pass. Benson has an offense that is 90% run oriented and so he's facing stacked lines pretty much every down and still has better #'s than Peterson.


So Jason White shouldn't be up there either? Or the duo from USC? Benson is averaging .3 yards more per carry than Peterson is right now. And Peterson doesn't have as many touchdowns because he is on a team that scores a lot of points through the air and doesn't have to pound it in with the run. Cedric has twice as many rushing touchdowns as Peterson, but Peterson doesn't get nearly as many opportunities to run from inside the redzone as benson does. I am not taking anything away from Benson here, just saying his numbers aren't all that much better than a true freshman's. I don't think Peterson will win it this year, next year and the year after, we will have to wait and see. They always talk about the Heisman being somewhat about career numbers too, which is why it is nearly impossible for a freshman to win. If Benson had big numbers in his career in his biggest games then he would be a front runner in my book, but he has had really low numbers against Oklahoma and last year's game against Arkansas. He hasn't stepped up in a big game yet. He is one of the best players in the country, but not the best, in my opinion.

Jason

[PUSHROD]

[QUOTE=SVTVenom]Seeing as how he is a Senior I don't think he'll have any chance to win it next year.

QUOTE]


I was being sarcastic

[bert89coupe]

he has just as good of a chance as anyone else in the running. think about it, Ricky didn't have it "in the bag" until his big game against a&m. then again, maybe they'll give it to him for his career at UT, just like when Eric Crouch one it (he wasn't the best player that year either). also on a career note, no player that has rushed over 5,000 yrds. in their career has NOT one the hiesman. so Cedric has these points going for him so far. whoever does win, it will not be a runaway race for it.


oh, and i don't think you can penalize Benson for the whole damn team playing like crap the last 5yrs. against OU. hell, they've been behind all the time and Brown went away from the run. take that in consideration.


so people who are giving a definate NO, please give a reason behind this answer. i'd like to hear it.

[JasonB]

Its not so much that Benson doesn't deserve to win it or that he isn't worthy of it. It is just a matter of White and Leinart are more worthy. They have both, for the most part, but up big numbers in the big games they have played throughout their careers. No doubt that Benson has big career numbers, but a lot of those are aganist lower teams. I think if his competition for the award wasn't so hard, he would win it no doubt. But he has two players going for the Trophy that are better than him. Football is a team sport, and the players on the better teams usually stand out, thats just the way the game is. But if your team lays down, that doesn't mean you have to. This year was the first year Benson didn't lay down in the OU game. But he was overshadowed by a true freshman which makes his performance in that game less impressive. This should be one of the closest Heisman races ever between 3+ players. I am interested to see who wins!

Jason

BOOMER SOONER!

[bert89coupe]

i think Matt Lienart will win it this year.

[Mustang00Kid]

i think Matt Lienart will win it this year.

What happened to the person winning the Heisman actually deserving it.....every candidate mentions plays for a badass team for the most part except for 2; the QB from Cali. and Alex Smith from Utah. These guys play for decent teams and are basically carrying these teams to what could be undefeated records with the exception of Cali.'s one loss. I think all the candidates are badass in their own right, but would much rather see an "underdog" win it, and no Cedric Bension has no chance of winning.

[bert89coupe]

no chance? no, he has a chance, just a small one.


i think white winning it last year will hurt him winning it this year. without Lienart, that team goes nowhere. plus being on the west coast doesn't hurt him any. i think benson SHOULD win it, but that's a very small chance.

[JasonB]

Just curious, but why SHOULD Benson win it over White or Leinart? It was asked why he shouldn't, so I will ask WHY he should over White or Leinart? Those two have played big in their games this year, including against their harder opponents, Benson hasn't.

Jason

[bert89coupe]

one thing, doing what he has done with Greg Davis calling plays should be enough. lol.


put it this way, WITHOUT benson, UT does not win the 8 games that they have one this year.

[JasonB]

I agree that UT would be a lot weaker this year without him, but you said it yourself. "without Lienart, that team goes nowhere" so why doesn't he deserve it? I mean USC hasn't lost.... yet. Damn, I hate defending a trojan against a longhorn, this sucks! haha I am of course pulling for White to go back to back, but I would rather have the national championship than a heisman winner this year!

BOOMER SOONER!!!

[HookEm]

No. Choked in games vs. OU. Otherwise a great player

He had 95 yards.
Now Jason white.......how bout his game agaisnt TX?

Talk about chokes.......

[Boss Hogg]

He had 95 yards.
Now Jason white.......how bout his game agaisnt TX?
14/26 for 113 yards w/ 0 TDs & 2 INTs.

Jason White didn't rise against Kansas St and LSU either. He's a good QB on a GREAT team that won't make the transition to the NFL.

Benson is about to bank.

[HookEm]

14/26 for 113 yards w/ 0 TDs & 2 INTs.

Jason White didn't rise against Kansas St and LSU either. He's a good QB on a GREAT team that won't make the transition to the NFL.

Benson is about to bank.

Hopefully a la Jerry Jones.

[hotrod66stang]

wow, we're really split on this...
I personally think that Benson SHOULD win the award, just based on the fact that he carried this team this year. They started the year with a very shaky QB throwing INT's all the time and only 2 tight ends for decent recievers. it's a pretty one-dimensional game. stuff the TE off the line and look for the run. now if you add in his career achievements (which i didn't think they could take into consideration,??? but i guess they can) then he's the winner hands down.

like was said before... w/o Benson, the 'Horns don't win these 8 games so far. they're pretty much piggy-backing Benson until the rest of the team can come around. the other candidates have teammates on the list, which goes to show they don't carry too much of a burden, and the other candidates aren't on teams of the same caliber as UT, OU. With the fact that Benson carries the weight of the high caliber Texas team, he IS the best player in college football this year.

[JasonB]

It would be interesting to see the 'boys draft him. I am a Cowboys fan, and they are in need of a good back (Jones is NOT that back)! If he can play good in the big games and hold on to the ball a little better than he has this season he can be a great pro. I am still waiting for him to step up in a big game, and don't blame it on his team being weak this year, because if he can't do it with the team Texas has, he won't do shit for a while in the pro's because he will be drafted by a bad team!
I am curious to see where White will end up as well. He is A LOT more mobile this year than last year. And he is a good enough passer to go pro. Altough I think he will be a backup, unless he gains more mobility quickly. Hell, he would help the Cowboys at this point!

Jason

[hotrod66stang]

personally, I don't like the Cowgirls and i never have. even when they were good the only player i liked was EMMITT. Troy and Deion were little bitches who always came out with turf-toe and sore thumbs, and Michael Irvin is a crackhead. They have some great athletes like Dat Nguyen and Roy Williams (OU), etc.. but just b/c I'm not a fan of theirs I'd like Cedric to go somewhere else. Maybe he can go to Detroit with the rest of the Longhorns :D As long as Detroit doesn't get Chris Simms or VY they'd have a shot at winning a lot of games :p

P.S. it doesn't help that the Cowgirls always played on MNF and on Turkey Day, when John "Mr. Obvious" Madden is always announcing. He's become synonymous with big Cowboys games and putting ppl to sleep on T-Day.

[HookEm]

Aikman was a wuss????
Deion, yes.
Aikman...uhm, no.


personally, I don't like the Cowgirls and i never have. even when they were good the only player i liked was EMMITT. Troy and Deion were little bitches who always came out with turf-toe and sore thumbs, and Michael Irvin is a crackhead. They have some great athletes like Dat Nguyen and Roy Williams (OU), etc.. but just b/c I'm not a fan of theirs I'd like Cedric to go somewhere else. Maybe he can go to Detroit with the rest of the Longhorns :D As long as Detroit doesn't get Chris Simms or VY they'd have a shot at winning a lot of games :p

P.S. it doesn't help that the Cowgirls always played on MNF and on Turkey Day, when John "Mr. Obvious" Madden is always announcing. He's become synonymous with big Cowboys games and putting ppl to sleep on T-Day.

[hotrod66stang]

Aikman was a wuss????
Deion, yes.
Aikman...uhm, no.

Aikman would always come out of the big games if the cowboys were losing bad. he always seemed to "get hurt", but only something like a sore thumb or turf toe, or something that he would come back next week. ;)

[HookEm]

Aikman would always come out of the big games if the cowboys were losing bad. he always seemed to "get hurt", but only something like a sore thumb or turf toe, or something that he would come back next week. ;)

Yea, but how many big games were the cowboys losing bad in, if Aikman was at the helm?
;)

[hotrod66stang]

dunno... but even if he does it in a moderately important game he's still a puss :D

anyways, back to cedric... hopefully he'll put up a hell of a good game's worth of #s. that will help people see he can run on the defense that competed with OU's offense. this game will seal the deal. it'll either put him further to the forefront of everyone's mind or just erase him from the race completely.

Run Cedric Run!!! HOOK 'EM \--/