Bench racing here (looking for combo idea's, turbo motor )

[musclestang89]

Alright guys, its time to go turbo and a stronger block.


Need some ideas, Well it has to be at least a Dart or R block.
and a stroker, 327, 331, or 347?
heads - TFS R or AFR 225 or Victor Jr's?
Intake - not really for sure , but I already have Holley SysteMax2 intake
cam - I have no idea on the turbo cars.
injector- maybe 96's or would I need bigger or smaller?
turbo- open for suggestions?
tune- right now I have the 04 PMS with the datalogg software.
gears- ? , right now it has 3.55 , would that be ok?
tranny- it will be an AOD or AOD-E


Not looking to be in a certain class local, or in FFW's. Just doing it for the fun of it. So any suggestions?

[93coupett]

Alright guys, its time to go turbo and a stronger block.


Need some ideas, Well it has to be at least a Dart or R block.
and a stroker, 327, 331, or 347?
heads - TFS R or AFR 225 or Victor Jr's?
Intake - not really for sure , but I already have Holley SysteMax2 intake
cam - I have no idea on the turbo cars.
injector- maybe 96's or would I need bigger or smaller?
turbo- open for suggestions?
tune- right now I have the 04 PMS with the datalogg software.
gears- ? , right now it has 3.55 , would that be ok?
tranny- it will be an AOD or AOD-E


Not looking to be in a certain class local, or in FFW's. Just doing it for the fun of it. So any suggestions?


It depends on how fast, and how much money you want to spend..96# injectors...I guess you want to make atleast 850+ RWHP?- 8 sec. car?

-Block eiter IMO- but I know some people have their own opinions.
-331 or 347, low compression won't goin to much over each other
-I am partcial to AFR's :D
-Holly intake will work, Trick Flow Box style too...
-custom ground turbo cam- solid roller needed w/ 225's
-injectors? Depends on power..
-Turbo- 88mm
-Accel DFI Spetter tuned and be done :D Best turbo tuner hands down
-3.55's will work but 3.27's will be better
-Better build the AOD or E....<---weak link

[musclestang89]

Well I'm still not for sure on how fast I really want to go yet. But the main thing is build up a nice short block that will hold up to whatever I can afford. And If I build a nice 331 Dart short block, I doupt I would have the money to tear it up (on a good tune).

Yea I want to see how fast hte ole AOD's or AOD-E will go :D. It should hold up just fine.

Oh and this is will be going in a 3045 lb car (that was with me in it). I already have an areomotive fuel system. Will the pump be fine?

[93coupett]

Well I'm still not for sure on how fast I really want to go yet. But the main thing is build up a nice short block that will hold up to whatever I can afford. And If I build a nice 331 Dart short block, I doupt I would have the money to tear it up (on a good tune).

Yea I want to see how fast hte ole AOD's or AOD-E will go :D. It should hold up just fine.

Oh and this is will be going in a 3045 lb car (that was with me in it). I already have an areomotive fuel system. Will the pump be fine?

The fuel system should be fine as long as it is the big pump( i think its the 1200hp one). What about fuel lines and everything?

A 331-347 w/ an 88mm turbo will make more than enough power..With the above combo you could easliy make 1000rwhp. I am making around 750rwhp w/ AFR 205's and the dinky incon kit. Tuning is everything on a turbo car and the DFI will give you a safe, very efficient tune that you don't have to play with too much. You have to consider intercoolers as well. I'd go with an air-water.

Withing the next 12 months I will have an 88mm turbo on my car :D They are so efficient- could get the same power I have now on about 12psi :eek:

[turbostang]

I guess it just depend on how fast you want to go. You are on the right track with the motor combo. I'd get it running and use the fuel system and tuner you have. Break in the motor with that stuff - then get rid of it for a FAST setup and 96's. Get a Precision PT76GTSH (good for 1200hp) and go some easy 5.6's!

[JamesB]

aluminium Dart block
427cu.
Brodix heads
PG
custom air/water intercooler
106mm
Fast/ GenVII
160lbs injectors

but this is just my opinion. :)

[Mach1Marauder]

aluminium Dart block
427cu.
Brodix heads
PG
custom air/water intercooler
106mm
Fast/ GenVII
160lbs injectors

but this is just my opinion. :)

Damn James...........He's not Mr. MoneyBags! LOL!
:D :D

[musclestang89]

aluminium Dart block
427cu.
Brodix heads
PG
custom air/water intercooler
106mm
Fast/ GenVII
160lbs injectors

but this is just my opinion. :)



Damn then it would be like a 2-3 year project :eek:

[Andrew]

aluminium Dart block
427cu.
Brodix heads
PG
custom air/water intercooler
106mm
Fast/ GenVII
160lbs injectors

but this is just my opinion. :)

You forgot the Wilson super victor FI manifold.

[GR8WHITE]

aluminium Dart block
427cu.
Brodix heads
PG
custom air/water intercooler
106mm
Fast/ GenVII
160lbs injectors

but this is just my opinion. :)


***cough***home equity loan***cough...... :eek: :eek:

[SNEAKY]

how about a windsor block with a good rods and ARP fasteners, and a 66mm turbo? be good for low 6's

[turbostang]

how about a windsor block with a good rods and ARP fasteners, and a 66mm turbo? be good for low 6's

or two 63-1's and run some 6.0's :D

[SNEAKY]

or two 63-1's and run some 6.0's :D


or up grade to a 76 when the 66 is maxed out.

[NDSP]

Search all the boards and buy someones old combo. I will cost you allot less in the long run and you will get a proven combo.

[Moose Jr]

Just remember, when you start going faster (low 6's high 5's), your gonna have to put a certified full roll cage in the car(if you want to run legally that is), probably upgrade the suspension and tranny as well.

How fast you want to go all depends on how much you want to spend!

[Racing347stroker]

You know, I have a holset 74mm turbo, I thought about sticking on my car, but I am not sure anymore. Maybe just use some nitrous and continue to be slow. On the bright side, I have a guy who will install billet steel 4 bolt mains on a windsor block, pretty reasonable, including the line bore and hone

[musclestang89]

Just remember, when you start going faster (low 6's high 5's), your gonna have to put a certified full roll cage in the car(if you want to run legally that is), probably upgrade the suspension and tranny as well.

How fast you want to go all depends on how much you want to spend!



yea I know , and it will be legal. But as for the tranny, why would I need to change it out? Maybe just the converter ;)

[bsharer]

IMO, go with a 351 based block.

[302_plus_a_few]

It all depends on how fast you want to go. Me? I wouldn't mind running some low 6s consistantly using a Windsor with good rods and some turbo pistons. It could do that easily and cost less than half of what a Dart or R-block will cost you. I'd figure out how fast you want to go first, then figure out the hosrepower you will need to go that fast and size the turbo accordingly. My dinky 63-1 turbo system (half of turbostang's turbo system) has gone some 6.40s.

Lots of people want to throw on a BIG turbo because it sounds cool I guess but the bigger the turbo, the slower it spools and the higher you have to spin the motor. My 63-1 in my car would be running 6.20s If I had a trans brake and some 28x10 slicks.

A 357 Windsor with a T66 or a T70 (from the turbomustangs group purchase) would be a beast! The turbo is small enough that it would spool quick off the line but big enough to make very low six or high five power pretty easy.

And ignore the AOD haters! I want to see an AOD car put up some good numbers!!

But a Dart block 331 would be a nice motor that you could push to as fast as you want to go I'd imagine.

Build you a Windsor, install some 83# injectors and put a turbo kit on it. I can't imagine you would be too unhappy with that.

[musclestang89]

Well I'm not for sure on how fast I want to go yet. I would really like to run high 5's if not faster. But the thing is I'm not for sure on how much faster I'm going to want to go in the future.. Thats why I'm thinking of the Dart/R 331 short block so I could go as fast as I want.

As for buying the turbo, that won't happen till I have the motor built and I know what I will need. Don't worry Kirk there will be an AOD in my car for a long time ;).

But I'm still open keep the combo's coming, never know I might change my mind. By middle of Feb or March I should have the money to be able to get a Dart 331 short block. Not planning on having it running for like 6 months on motor and then who knows on the turbo. Casue there are some things that need to happen while the car is down. Like the rearend, stock axles just isn't going to cut it no more :D. And I have to get those damn windows working.

[93coupett]

Well I'm not for sure on how fast I want to go yet. I would really like to run high 5's if not faster. But the thing is I'm not for sure on how much faster I'm going to want to go in the future.. Thats why I'm thinking of the Dart/R 331 short block so I could go as fast as I want.

As for buying the turbo, that won't happen till I have the motor built and I know what I will need. Don't worry Kirk there will be an AOD in my car for a long time ;).

But I'm still open keep the combo's coming, never know I might change my mind. By middle of Feb or March I should have the money to be able to get a Dart 331 short block. Not planning on having it running for like 6 months on motor and then who knows on the turbo. Casue there are some things that need to happen while the car is down. Like the rearend, stock axles just isn't going to cut it no more :D. And I have to get those damn windows working.

Sounds good.....man reading this post has given me alot of insight on turbos :D I have been told on my combo and a 66-76mm I wouldn't gain a whole lot of power. Thats why i suggested the 88 :confused: I hate this shiaat.....one person tells you one thing and others say another...However! in a past issue of MM&FF there was a blue SN95 w/ a 76mm on his car and only made in the 800's rwhp on a 351 based stroker w/o spray i believe...If you go w/ a 76mm on your car you will go very fast(your race weight = high 5's) but if you are going to do everything why not do it right the 1st time and have room to grow :D Low to mid 6's were fast for me at first but now I want high 5's and then will want mid 5's :eek: Going bigger will not cost that much more either...

[spankustang]

All that sounds great, BUT,

You have have to have the money to do this with. To build something like that, it'll take $20k plus!!!
I have a T76, and to upgrade to a T88 is gonna cost a fortune!!! :mad: :mad:
So far, I'm very happy with my T76.


PS: It'll cost big bucks to get your AOD to hold up to that kind of power!!

[turbostang]

Sounds good.....man reading this post has given me alot of insight on turbos :D I have been told on my combo and a 66-76mm I wouldn't gain a whole lot of power. Thats why i suggested the 88 :confused: I hate this shiaat.....one person tells you one thing and others say another...However! in a past issue of MM&FF there was a blue SN95 w/ a 76mm on his car and only made in the 800's rwhp on a 351 based stroker w/o spray i believe...If you go w/ a 76mm on your car you will go very fast(your race weight = high 5's) but if you are going to do everything why not do it right the 1st time and have room to grow :D Low to mid 6's were fast for me at first but now I want high 5's and then will want mid 5's :eek: Going bigger will not cost that much more either...

Truestreet 5.8's car has already gone 6.0@116+ with 16 psi (lowest boost setting) and the boost controller hasn't even been touched yet!! He has a PT76GTSH on it now..You guys should check into one of those !!

[SNEAKY]

brendon, trust me, if you start something that will take 2 years to finish, you will get burnt out on spending money and no racing. just something to think about.

[spankustang]

brendon, trust me, if you start something that will take 2 years to finish, you will get burnt out on spending money and no racing. just something to think about.

Took me almost 4yrs to complete mine!!!!

If you do go turbo, stick with the TFS "highports"!!

[Phoenix383]

I think turbostang is correct on the turbo I have heard many good things about those 76s. I am considering building a small block chevy T76 turbo this winter for next year or maybe a whole change I havent decided yet but I am thinking hard on it myself.

I have messed with turbo cars a decent amount learning on my GN and WRX mostly and waiting for others to break enough shit testing with them so I wouldnt have to work so hard this time around.

I think the Dart 331 is the right idea for the shortblock, On the heads for a turbo ford motor youll have to trust these guys or yourself since I am not real familiar with newer ford aftermarket heads.

On the AOD I like running an AOD with a car geared 4.10 and lower, but I don't see the point in punishing your pocket book with 3.55s or 3.27s. You can run a lot cheaper better built 3 spd or even a glide around and really enjoy the car I think. Not to mention the rebuilds on the 3sp and powerglides is mega cheaper usually.

I know a little about the AODs I killed 3 of them well built in 14 months with the Fireturd on the 250 shot the 2-3 just can't take the power and yours will make way more power than my NOS car did. Just some advice take what you want leave the rest.

If you really want and AOD-AOD E the best tranny hands down for power and much cheaper to build now than when I built mine is the 4L80E and yes you can adapt it and my 3750lb Firebird went 6.4s on slicks and 6.5s on DRs with it in the car with the hydraulic roller 383 on juice at 10 to 1 compression so the combonation of no slipage and pure strength out weighed the cost to build it as well as its power robbing heavy internals. That tranny is now running strong in my 51 Merc. The man to call on AODs is Scott Jackson Phoenix transmissions Weatherford Tx. 817-599-5606. He is a buddy of mine and he is the nations best AOD race/performance builder! I mean no one is better! I had him buil two of my race trannys before we became good friends he takes care of you when tuning one in he is there to help.

[truestreet5.8]

Truestreet 5.8's car has already gone 6.0@116+ with 16 psi (lowest boost setting) and the boost controller hasn't even been touched yet!! He has a PT76GTSH on it now..You guys should check into one of those !!

PT76mmGTSH=$1600 1200HP and room to grow as your motor grow's

OEM internal 64mm=800 or so. Cheaper at first but you will only run lowww6's or highhhh5.9's and thats it.

I only paid $1,250 for mine and it was brand new from a guy upgrading before his car was done. You just have to keep looking and you could stumble on one too for a good price. Buy direct from Presicion though if you get one. Other company's mark those things way up then pass it on to you.

BTW- my dad is buying a DART IE block this week for his 342ci motor and Brooks twin turbo kit. He also is running an AOD. Lentech of course but I would run one of your uncle Mike's anyday. :D His car will make 1000 plus rwhp through that AOD but make sure if you do the same it has the one piece shaft. :eek:

[Phoenix383]

Lentech of course but I would run one of your uncle Mike's anyday. :D His car will make 1000 plus rwhp through that AOD but make sure if you do the same it has the one piece shaft. :eek:

I suppose if you have an uncle that can build them it might be less expensive. ;)

[musclestang89]

I suppose if you have an uncle that can build them it might be less expensive. ;)



Yep tht true :D

[truestreet5.8]

Oh and stick with the 3.55 gears you have now. I am using 3.27's but I have been told by many to go to a 3.55 to save the torque converter. Turbo cars don't need a short gear to run hard, you need to load the motor to make the turbo work. ;)

[Racing347stroker]

I use 3.55 gears W/28 inch tire in my nitrous car, works great

[NDSP]

I personally wouldn't put a ford automatic transmission behind any motor that made more than 500rwhp. I would use a T400 or glide. And with the 3.55's you can live without OD.

[musclestang89]

thanks guys for yall suggestion's.

I'm still undecided on what I'm going to go with, but I still like the idea of the Dart 331 idea. More than likey I will post up again about this when I'm ready to buy the short block. That should be in Few or March, when I have the money. Need to go through Christmas first :D

And for the tranny, I'm stickin with the AOD, my unlce can built be a the tranny so I have no worry about that.

[mk5.0]

do the windsor block (357,393,408,etc..) you will regret it later if you dont.