stadium

[Phillip]

is the stadium worth paying for? I know that a lot of us are torn on this issue. What do you all think?

[Thehead]

i voted yes! please take them out of IRVING!

[ALLAN]

No way. The Ballpark didn't do anything and the cowboys won't either.

[mopar63]

Fuck Jerry Jones, I put him up there with John Kerry and Micheal Moore.

[Cobra Commander]

No way. The Ballpark didn't do anything and the cowboys won't either.


This is a true statement and also can go as far as the American Airlines Center for the Mavericks. What did it do besides having a Dart Train Stop?

Well if Irving, Dallas, and Arlington does not allow for this stadium, could the Cowboys go out of this area? Like down to San Antonio or even leave the state? I would say that Arlington will pass this over by a landslide because its the Cowboys and not the Rangers...

[LadyD]

Lets see no more traffic for me and more traffic for you. I said no in the poll but I believe Irving will be better with out them. Irving has come out and said that Arlington is blowing the money to be made way out of proportion.

[Thehead]

Lets see no more traffic for me and more traffic for you. I said no in the poll but I believe Irving will be better with out them. Irving has come out and said that Arlington is blowing the money to be made way out of proportion.
out of porpotion.... hahahah, more like out of this world. The city will not see any amount of money that can make the headaches of them going to arlington go away. they will also have to update 360 and side streets also for all the traffic. Who wants more construction? i dont even live over there i'm in irving, but construction on 360 will definatly affect us here too. the city will be lucky to see 200,000-300,000 a year in profit from the stadium, but JERRY JONES will see way more then that every week they play and for every even held there he will get HIS cut, but the city's cut will be to small to count in the big picture.

[utdbear]

I think its the most rediculous thing I've ever heard to put capital down for a profit-making organization on the backs of taxpayers while promising nothing to those who are going to pay for it.

[AL P]

Not to mention the fact that the average person can barely afford to go to the damned game. Shitty seats will be $80 a ticket I am sure.

[mikeb]

Not to mention the fact that the average person can barely afford to go to the damned game. Shitty seats will be $80 a ticket I am sure.

plus parking and overpriced food.

[Danny]

I'm going to ask Grapevine to fund the construction of my car so they can have the "priveledge" of seeing it drive down Main street.

[slowimport96]

They raised taxes to pay for the Ball @ Arlington. City of Arlington even turned around and sold the name to Ameriquest which they made lots of money doing but didnt give anything back to the tax payers. Why would Arlington residents want to get screwed again ?

[AL P]

plus parking and overpriced food.

The Texas Stadium experience:

Tickets in upper level at 40 yard line. $85 a pop at face value.
Parking: $12
Food: $4 for a large coke. $6 for nachos

Fuck Jerry Jones in his asshole, even if I get a "free" ticket to the game from my boss it still costs me $20 minimum by the time the wife whines her way into some nachos and a coke.

[Thehead]

The Texas Stadium experience:

Tickets in upper level at 40 yard line. $85 a pop at face value.
Parking: $12
Food: $4 for a large coke. $6 for nachos

Fuck Jerry Jones in his asshole, even if I get a "free" ticket to the game from my boss it still costs me $20 minimum by the time the wife whines her way into some nachos and a coke.
i agree... fuck him! i enjoy it alot better watching it at home or at a sports bar and it is a TON cheaper. Jerry isn't getting my money!

[Phillip]

They raised taxes to pay for the Ball @ Arlington. City of Arlington even turned around and sold the name to Ameriquest which they made lots of money doing but didnt give anything back to the tax payers. Why would Arlington residents want to get screwed again ?
Well... the city of Arlington didn't sell naming rights, but our buddy Tom Hicks lined his pockets with about $80 million.

[TexasDevilDog]

Well... the city of Arlington didn't sell naming rights, but our buddy Tom Hicks lined his pockets with about $80 million.

Arlington gets 5% of the naming money. Woohoo!

[talisman]

I will be voting no on this.

[Lason]

Arlington is already 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs bag, and now this? THis place isnt that damn big! Traffic is gonna suck, and so are the fucking taxes! I said HELL NO!

[Dacotua]

It could be worst... The Mavericks and the Stars could also move to Arlington.. Lets not forget about Profession Soccor!

[LadyD]

WOW I thought that alot more people would be saying yes. All you see in the news is the people that are sooo for this thing.

[AL P]

WOW I thought that alot more people would be saying yes. All you see in the news is the people that are sooo for this thing.

You'll see the morons who have no clue how the economy works, as well as the people with hidden interests and agendas, voting yes on this thing.

Anyone who understands economics is going to shoot this thing down for the bullshit it is.

As a person with 8 years of commercial real estate experience, these things are regarding as pure gravy in the world of real estate development. We chuckle when we hear "It's going to pump $80 million dollars into the local economy" or whatever line of bullshit Jerry Jones comes up with.

Only the fucking sheep fall for it.

[LadyD]

Iw as born in Irving and lived here my whole life. I have been to a cowboy game once when I was in grade school. I hate the traffic the games cause and I know that we are not getting that much money from it or our city would not look like trash all the time. so I see these people on tv and think are you really going to vote yes.

[HookEm]

The stadium will draw Super Bowls, a major bowl game, concerts, and Texas High sChool football championships, as well as potentially the TX OU game. How does this NOT bring money to arlington again????

[Thehead]

The stadium will draw Super Bowls, a major bowl game, concerts, and Texas High sChool football championships, as well as potentially the TX OU game. How does this NOT bring money to arlington again????
obviously your location explains how you do not understand how this DOESN"T help the citizens of Arlington

[AL P]

I heard Aikman and Staubach on the radio this morning talking about the 2000 jobs the stadium will bring Arlington and I had to take a double take.

HUH?

Outside of the management, maintenance and security team for the stadium (50 people?), I can't figure out how it could generate anything but a couple of hundred minimum wage jobs that are sporadic at best due to the timing of events.

[Phillip]

I heard Aikman and Staubach on the radio this morning talking about the 2000 jobs the stadium will bring Arlington and I had to take a double take.

HUH?

Outside of the management, maintenance and security team for the stadium (50 people?), I can't figure out how it could generate anything but a couple of hundred minimum wage jobs that are sporadic at best due to the timing of events.
have you heard Emmit Smith yet?

[AL P]

have you heard Emmit Smith yet?

What does he say?

[Pro Trash]

The stadium will draw Super Bowls, a major bowl game, concerts, and Texas High sChool football championships, as well as potentially the TX OU game. How does this NOT bring money to arlington again????

So what was the score in 1999 and did you know that R.C. had a 7-6 record versus Texas. Oww

[utdbear]

how does this relate to this thread?

[mikeb]

Outside of the management, maintenance and security team for the stadium (50 people?), I can't figure out how it could generate anything but a couple of hundred minimum wage jobs that are sporadic at best due to the timing of events.

Me either.

Lets see.... you've got ticket takers, ticket sellers, parking lot attendants, janitors, people working concessions, people walking through the crowd selling concessions, people selling shirts & crap, stadium maintenance people, cleanup crew after the game, and probably some others I can't think of. These are all low paying temporary minimum wage type jobs.

Security will probably make a little more.

That leaves a few management types who will get a manager's salary.

Then there is the team and team staff few of which probably actually live in arlington.

I believe we're still short of 2000 jobs.

Now I guess if you count the perhiperal jobs - the people making hot dog buns and beer; people running the water treatment & sewage plant; people making electricity, and so on - you MIGHT be able to say the stadium will affect 2000 jobs. I can't see how it's going to create 2000 new ones.

I'd love to see how they are coming up with 2000 jobs.

[AL P]

Me either.

Lets see.... you've got ticket takers, ticket sellers, parking lot attendants, janitors, people working concessions, people walking through the crowd selling concessions, people selling shirts & crap, stadium maintenance people, cleanup crew after the game, and probably some others I can't think of. These are all low paying temporary minimum wage type jobs.

Security will probably make a little more.

That leaves a few management types who will get a manager's salary.

Then there is the team and team staff few of which probably actually live in arlington.

I believe we're still short of 2000 jobs.

Now I guess if you count the perhiperal jobs - the people making hot dog buns and beer; people running the water treatment & sewage plant; people making electricity, and so on - you MIGHT be able to say the stadium will affect 2000 jobs. I can't see how it's going to create 2000 new ones.

I'd love to see how they are coming up with 2000 jobs.

Not only that but how many of the minimum wage people are going to live in Arlington?

I mean if they have events there and shit like that you'll get some hotel tax revenue. Even that won't be much.

I just can't see 2000 jobs.

[AL P]

Here is the impact study:

http://www.ci.arlington.tx.us/citysecretary/pdf/110204_ERAStudy.pdf

I read about half of it and IMO it's garbage.

[rebeljj]

i vote NO f**k that its a waste of too much money :cool:

[TexasDevilDog]

Here is the impact study:

http://www.ci.arlington.tx.us/citysecretary/pdf/110204_ERAStudy.pdf

I read about half of it and IMO it's garbage.

What is the enviornmental impact of paving over hundreds of acres of grass.

[TexasDevilDog]

I would support this if it was pay for differently. Looking at page 13 of the ERA report, shows that average attentance is well above 500,000 a year. I am a fan of user fees to pay for this. Add a tax of $34 per ticket for 500,000 people a year is $17 Million, over 20 years is $340 Million. The cost of the stadium. And I didn't have to raise the sales tax, property tax, hotel tax or rental car tax.

[AL P]

I would support this if it was pay for differently. Looking at page 13 of the ERA report, shows that average attentance is well above 500,000 a year. I am a fan of user fees to pay for this. Add a tax of $34 per ticket for 500,000 people a year is $17 Million, over 20 years is $340 Million. The cost of the stadium. And I didn't have to raise the sales tax, property tax, hotel tax or rental car tax.

That would increase Jerry's ticket costs. You can't do that!!

I mean, unles HE gets to keep the money of course....

[HookEm]

Not only that but how many of the minimum wage people are going to live in Arlington?

I mean if they have events there and shit like that you'll get some hotel tax revenue. Even that won't be much.

I just can't see 2000 jobs.

A TX HS Football Championship series would bring 50K people. Even at 2 per hotel room, lets say 25K X 50 dollars, plus food, christams shopping.......and that's just ONE event.

[HookEm]

So what was the score in 1999 and did you know that R.C. had a 7-6 record versus Texas. Oww

Yeah, 7-6 is jsut pure domination...:rolleyes:
1999 was the year of Bonfire, and God Himself wouldnt let the Ags lose after such a horrific event. Way to stay on topic, fuckstick.

[utdbear]

I still think its all irrelevant. What if Nokia wanted to build a plant in Arlington, do you think the voters would want their tax dollars to go to them if they allowed use of their gym for basketball games?

[HookEm]

Yea, why would Arlington want a plant where 1000s of workers would be employed in their city, mgmt would come and buy housing, hotel revenue woudl icnrease, restraunt revenue, etc.......
That's apples to oranges.


I still think its all irrelevant. What if Nokia wanted to build a plant in Arlington, do you think the voters would want their tax dollars to go to them if they allowed use of their gym for basketball games?

[Pro Trash]

how does this relate to this thread?

If it does not affect you feel free to say nothing.

[HookEm]

how does this relate to this thread?

PT is spethul.....reading, writing, and comprehension utterly escape him. "Your wasting you're time" trying to introduce him to our friend, logic.

[AL P]

A TX HS Football Championship series would bring 50K people. Even at 2 per hotel room, lets say 25K X 50 dollars, plus food, christams shopping.......and that's just ONE event.

And this effects the job situation how? So we'll need 25,000 hotel rooms for one more weekend in Arlington since every hotel is going to be booked. Hilton is not going to build a new hotel just because of that one weekend, you will need increased hotel usage throughout the entire year before anyone would build anything new and create new jobs.

Furthermore, whats to stop a person from staying in Fort Worth or Dallas and then going to Arlington for the game? Right now the same thing happens when they have any kind of game at Texas stadium. People don't exactly flock to the nice clean city of Irving to stay in hotels there do they? Hell no, they are in Dallas. Net effect is that Dallas gets the benefit and Irving takes it in the ass.

I was LMAO on the Arlington website when I saw the horseshit about "Arling police and fire endorse the stadium" Of course they do, they want a shot at the overtime and or hired gun pay they can get for working this thing.

[HookEm]

i see your points, but the bottom line is, the stadium will be built in Arlington....mark that.

And this effects the job situation how? So we'll need 25,000 hotel rooms for one more weekend in Arlington since every hotel is going to be booked. Hilton is not going to build a new hotel just because of that one weekend, you will need increased hotel usage throughout the entire year before anyone would build anything new and create new jobs.

Furthermore, whats to stop a person from staying in Fort Worth or Dallas and then going to Arlington for the game? Right now the same thing happens when they have any kind of game at Texas stadium. People don't exactly flock to the nice clean city of Irving to stay in hotels there do they? Hell no, they are in Dallas. Net effect is that Dallas gets the benefit and Irving takes it in the ass.

I was LMAO on the Arlington website when I saw the horseshit about "Arling police and fire endorse the stadium" Of course they do, they want a shot at the overtime and or hired gun pay they can get for working this thing.

[AL P]

i see your points, but the bottom line is, the stadium will be built in Arlington....mark that.

It looks like it probably will but it's another pork barrel bullshit project that has fooled the masses of idiots.

[HookEm]

It looks like it probably will but it's another pork barrel bullshit project that has fooled the masses of idiots.

Be that as it may, the reason it passes is because Aikman and Staubach have said it's good for Arlington..(and of course, because, its the Cowboys).....when those 2 talk, Cowboy fans listen.

[TexasDevilDog]

I still think its all irrelevant. What if Nokia wanted to build a plant in Arlington, do you think the voters would want their tax dollars to go to them if they allowed use of their gym for basketball games?

Fort Worth gave tax abaitment for 5 years to Nokia. It was a couple $million, not a half a billion.

[Pro Trash]

It looks like it probably will but it's another pork barrel bullshit project that has fooled the masses of idiots.

I agree with that and vote that Hook em is leading the masses against you LOL

[Paladin]

Lets see no more traffic for me and more traffic for you. I said no in the poll but I believe Irving will be better with out them. Irving has come out and said that Arlington is blowing the money to be made way out of proportion.

Yeah, maybe thats why they decided to let the stadium leave without trying to win it. No wait, they did try and put together a plan for that new stadium that is so not worth the money and effort. LOL!

[talisman]

I'm already starting to look to move out of Arlington, my home of 20 years. If this passes I'm going to be looking alot harder. Al is hitting the entire deal on the head.

I'm also curious how much money is being spent on the fliers I'm getting in the mail EVERY DAY saying how fucking great this travisty is going to be for all of us. If its so fucking super then why the fuck is it coming OUT of MY pocket? I don't see and benifits for ME. I see more traffic in my already congested neighborhood at the Ballpark/Hurricane Harbor area. The money spent on the fucking propaganda could be much better spent. This city is starting to look more and more like Dallas to me.

[AL P]

Yeah, maybe thats why they decided to let the stadium leave without trying to win it. No wait, they did try and put together a plan for that new stadium that is so not worth the money and effort. LOL!

That's the most interesting part of the whole deal...

Irving does a study and comes up with their underwritten number...

Arlington does a study and comes up with their number...

Now, whose number do you think will be more accurate?

It's real easy to make up bullshit numbers. I get paid to sniff out bullshit numbers that people make up for real estate deals. This isn't all that much different.

I'm not opposed to putting the stadium in Arlington or anywhere else, I just think if Jerry wants one he can build it himself. Interest rates are great right now, he could borrow a couple of hundred million for less than 4% and pay interest only on it for the next ten years.

[Thehead]

Yeah, maybe thats why they decided to let the stadium leave without trying to win it. No wait, they did try and put together a plan for that new stadium that is so not worth the money and effort. LOL!

Irving pretty much said that they wouldn't pay for his new stadium, due to the LACK of positive income the city has recieved from the current stadium. So JERRY, decided to find some FOOLS that would...... good riddance.... i will not shed any tears about this if it goes to arlington.

[BP]

Arlington traffic is refuckingdiculous every day. I work within 1/2 mile of the ball park and it takes me 45 minutes every day to commute 23 miles, about 25-30 minutes of which gets me out of Arlington (less than 5 miles). This is assuming there isn't an accident or heaven forbid a policeman giving someone a ticket.

I've yet to work during a Rangers game or while Six Flags is open but I can only imagine it will get worse. I'm hoping with the new stadium the city will do something about the traffic on 360, Collins and I-30 every day at the same times. Seeing as how the Cowboys only usually play on Sundays though I don't see it mattering much.

I can see some benefits if they would clean up some of the ghettoness on Collins street and on Division where all the homeless shelters are. That and the bums under every overpass on 360, not to mention the hookers all over the place. Move them all to Grand Prairie!

[Paladin]

That's the most interesting part of the whole deal...

Irving does a study and comes up with their underwritten number...

Arlington does a study and comes up with their number...

Now, whose number do you think will be more accurate?

It's real easy to make up bullshit numbers. I get paid to sniff out bullshit numbers that people make up for real estate deals. This isn't all that much different.

I'm not opposed to putting the stadium in Arlington or anywhere else, I just think if Jerry wants one he can build it himself. Interest rates are great right now, he could borrow a couple of hundred million for less than 4% and pay interest only on it for the next ten years.

I agree about the numbers being easy to manipulate. I am all about the voters of Arlington deciding the issue. If the majority wants it, I say let them have it.

I personally think it is kind of stupid for Jones to come say how great this stadium will be, yet he is not willing to finance it himself.