New polls showing Bush is leading

[Stacey]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6273430/

New polls showing bush 3 of 4 including CNN Gallup poll, Newsweek and ABC news polls....

regards,

Stacey

[Dacotua]

www.pollingreport.com

Is probably the better source. They pool every poll together and show them.

[TexasDevilDog]

I trust Kerry more than polls.

[Toolman]

yeah Bush has a slight lead.. but we still have 2 weeks left.. anything can happen..

[Nate]

yeah Bush has a slight lead.. but we still have 2 weeks left.. anything can happen..
who's this we? are you in john kerry's campaign party or something?

[Toolman]

we as in all the voters in America.. WE ALL HAVE 2 WEEKS.. it could be 80 20 bush in 2 weeks if we find the WMD..

[Mark57]

I received the following email today about this election determining the fate of our nation. Bull----! See my thoughts after each comment. It was sent to me to provoke my thoughts - and they were. I know yours will be too - enjoy.

This was written in the Daily Record (Ellensburg's paper) on Wed. Oct. 6, 2004. It was written by Mathew (only one t) Manweller who is a Central Washington University political science professor.

The title of the article was "Election determines fate of nation."

"In that this will be my last column before the presidential election there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.


This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance.


Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history.


If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be twofold. First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations.

My reply.
Comparing WW2 to Iraq is like night and day. 1st, we had allies. 2nd , it was for freedom, not oil. One comparison that can be drawn is that we were attacked on our own soil in both instances. The differences come with our response. In WW2, we went after and beat the perpetrators of the attack. In Iraq, we went after nothing but revenge and oil – we took care of Afganistan and probably Bin Laden, but left Saudi Arabia out of it. Remember how many perpetrators of the attack were from Saudi Arabia ? How many from Iraq? I believe that would be 15 of 19 and 0 of 19. America will always be able to do big things. I am proud to be an American. Voting against the liar is not rejecting the notion of America’s ability to big things.



The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.

My reply...
But when those unpopular decisions are WRONG decisions and one fails to admit his mistakes, the path to destruction of our great nation is at hand.



Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters.

My reply...
No, we will be just as tough on terrorists. America is and will always be the strongest nation on Earth, especially with the help of our allies. If Bush is re-appointed, we will become weaker by more isolation from the rest of the world.



Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.

My reply....
Bin Laden is dead (just my opinion)– Bush just needs the threat of him being alive to scare the American public into voting for him.



It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its 'greatest generation.' But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities.


My reply....
This may be the last generation if Bush gets re-appointed. My values are to try to be truthful, unlike our current President – who lied to the American people and sent many good Americans to their death when we did not need to. My responsibilities are to provide the best living for my family now – Bush is destroying our economy by pandering to the very rich.




This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."

Finally the last reply.....
Getting a little carried away aren’t you. 2004 election will not be any more or less important than any other election in American history. It is important to remember to vote for Kerry though!

[Fobra]

well mark, you have some interesting thoughts, but they are factually bankrupt.

[Stacey]

I agree Mark...

Do you sleep with Faren---LIE 911 on all the time to subliminally soak up the same exact crap....

Get off Howard Kerrys nut sack man....

Late

[Danny]

In Iraq, we went after nothing but revenge and oilHonestly, I quit reading at this point. You do not have a single shred of evidence to back up either of these claims. You have become deluded by a hatred for GWB that will not allow you to see any of the facts that disprove your conspiracy theories.

We went in for oil? Oil prices are up by 70% in ONE YEAR.

We went in for revenge? What about the international consensus that Iraq had the will and the way to do harm to the USA and other countries? Unfortunately, that same international group was illegally dealing with Iraq to get OIL against their own stated resolutions.

I find it incredibly funny that you mention we went in for oil, when the facts are very clear that the only reason we had opposition for going in was due to illegal oil contracts from our "allies".

Sorry bud. The rest of the world is against America. Be observant of whose side you're on.

[AL P]

Mark57 is a dumbass drama queen. Here is my favorite part:

"Bin Laden is dead (just my opinion)– Bush just needs the threat of him being alive to scare the American public into voting for him."

Fucking moron.

[scrapwave]

Mark57....you seriously need a reality check! Show me ONE document that says we went to Iraq for oil and revenge. PUHLEEZE!

[Dacotua]

Just some TRUE polls on the Electoral College (Not the Liberal site that Pro-Trash and Toolman like to post who twists the polls and post his own version (Which he picks which polls he wants to be "Official")). When the Polls are from one polling service, it looks pretty bad for Kerry

Gallup Poll
http://www.geocities.com/dacotua/gallup.txt

Zogby Poll
http://www.geocities.com/dacotua/zogby.txt

In both polls Bush has over 270 to be re-elected

[aggie97]

It's ironic that he posted that article because my wife and I stayed up for 2 extra hours discussing this very thing after I forced her to watch Zell Miller's speech.

It basically comes down to a choice between "jerry springer" politics and the undying devotion of keeping the USA strong and proud.

That professor's article is dead on. Period.

Many of the Democrats, or liberals in general are using the popular "wants and beliefs" of the public to create a sense that the Government has power to "fix" those problems. The Liberal way of thinking is that we must cater to each special interest with total disregard to the TOTAL well being of our nation. I could give a rats ass if Gays are allowed to marry, but if our taxes have to up to pay for legislation to regulate gay marriage/divorce and common law, AND to pay for the national defense, then I say gays can get fucked. Liberals just fail to realize the big picture of what the USA is. They all tend to live in their own self important world where they feel their beliefs should be the way everyone should think. Dreaming rarely accomplishes anything when it comes to Government. Action, consistancy and strength of Force and Character are what makes a nation to continue to be GREAT. Someone needs to write a correlation between the fall of Rome and the impending fall of the USA.....if the liberals continue their reign of terror on the future of the USA.

Liberals look at the media as their Right to express their freedom of expression of their thoughts. This is Wrong. The media in it's very beginning was to share Objective information ONLY. Now it is the medium for liberals to spread their ideals regardless of the impact on society or the weakening of the USA, or just to maintain ratings and popularity. It is a blatent disregard to the welfare of the American People.......Let's call it treason, blasphemy or just fucking stupid self importance and hipocracy. Learn to be a better citizen to our country and get some respect.

The starter of this thread really needs to open his eyes to REALITY!!! :rolleyes:

[46Tbird]

Well said.

Except that the thread starter is on your side. ;) :D

[Toolman]

we have less then 2 weeks now.. anything can happen..

it has been said that undesided voters will deside the election this year.. and they will probably vote kerry 2 to 1..

[TexasDevilDog]

we have less then 2 weeks now.. anything can happen..

it has been said that undesided voters will deside the election this year.. and they will probably vote kerry 2 to 1..

Yeah, it is Oct surprise time. Maybe Bush's drunk driving thing will pop up again a week before the election. Or Kerry dishonorable discharge will be found on the sidewall outside the pentagon.

[Pro Trash]

It's ironic that he posted that article because my wife and I stayed up for 2 extra hours discussing this very thing after I forced her to watch Zell Miller's speech.

It basically comes down to a choice between "jerry springer" politics and the undying devotion of keeping the USA strong and proud.

That professor's article is dead on. Period.

Many of the Democrats, or liberals in general are using the popular "wants and beliefs" of the public to create a sense that the Government has power to "fix" those problems. The Liberal way of thinking is that we must cater to each special interest with total disregard to the TOTAL well being of our nation. I could give a rats ass if Gays are allowed to marry, but if our taxes have to up to pay for legislation to regulate gay marriage/divorce and common law, AND to pay for the national defense, then I say gays can get fucked. Liberals just fail to realize the big picture of what the USA is. They all tend to live in their own self important world where they feel their beliefs should be the way everyone should think. Dreaming rarely accomplishes anything when it comes to Government. Action, consistancy and strength of Force and Character are what makes a nation to continue to be GREAT. Someone needs to write a correlation between the fall of Rome and the impending fall of the USA.....if the liberals continue their reign of terror on the future of the USA.

Liberals look at the media as their Right to express their freedom of expression of their thoughts. This is Wrong. The media in it's very beginning was to share Objective information ONLY. Now it is the medium for liberals to spread their ideals regardless of the impact on society or the weakening of the USA, or just to maintain ratings and popularity. It is a blatent disregard to the welfare of the American People.......Let's call it treason, blasphemy or just fucking stupid self importance and hipocracy. Learn to be a better citizen to our country and get some respect.

The starter of this thread really needs to open his eyes to REALITY!!! :rolleyes:

If you think only one party uses the media to gain favor and degrade the other side you are truly blind. Mike made the 9-11 movie and it was BS, Rush has his own talk show and makes a living off BS about the dems. Both parties are guilty of berating each other through the media. People are riding around with baby killer bumper stickers, anyone but Bush bumper stickers, a gentleman on Royal Lane has a sign and two toilets professing flush the Johns, others call Bush a liar or oil monger.

I am teacher and while I do tend to lean towards one party, I teach with an objective message. I try very hard to show the positive and negative points of each candidates party. It is much easier to find the negative points than it is to show the positive points given our society and their current ideals. The biggest issue is the country is so evenly split on whom they feel should be President. It doesn't help that the election of 2000 was so close then followed by catastrophic events which led to more finger pointing. I am trying to teach 7th graders to value the positive and dismiss the hype of this election. To vote for who brings to the table the ideals they most agree with.

I can say, it is fun to get on here and bash one another to death and insult one anothers candidates; however, it is very hard to show my kids that this election is about the American way when all we see on the news is slander and half hearted speeches. Bush and Kerry spend 98% of their time telling you and I, how bad the other is. This is our true dilemma,so when does a candidate such as John McCain get to run and begin to consolidate this country instead of split it? I do not feel Kerry or Bush are good candidates at this point. I will vote but it isn't something I am excited about.

[Paladin]

we as in all the voters in America.. WE ALL HAVE 2 WEEKS.. it could be 80 20 bush in 2 weeks if we find the WMD..

How sad that would be if someone changed their vote if we find WMD and announce it before the election. If your vote is that easily swayed, please don't vote, you are too stupid to be making this important of a decision IMO.

[Paladin]

If you think only one party uses the media to gain favor and degrade the other side you are truly blind. Mike made the 9-11 movie and it was BS, Rush has his own talk show and makes a living off BS about the dems. Both parties are guilty of berating each other through the media. People are riding around with baby killer bumper stickers, anyone but Bush bumper stickers, a gentleman on Royal Lane has a sign and two toilets professing flush the Johns, others call Bush a liar or oil monger.

I am teacher and while I do tend to lean towards one party, I teach with an objective message. I try very hard to show the positive and negative points of each candidates party. It is much easier to find the negative points than it is to show the positive points given our society and their current ideals. The biggest issue is the country is so evenly split on whom they feel should be President. It doesn't help that the election of 2000 was so close then followed by catastrophic events which led to more finger pointing. I am trying to teach 7th graders to value the positive and dismiss the hype of this election. To vote for who brings to the table the ideals they most agree with.

I can say, it is fun to get on here and bash one another to death and insult one anothers candidates; however, it is very hard to show my kids that this election is about the American way when all we see on the news is slander and half hearted speeches. Bush and Kerry spend 98% of their time telling you and I, how bad the other is. This is our true dilemma,so when does a candidate such as John McCain get to run and begin to consolidate this country instead of split it? I do not feel Kerry or Bush are good candidates at this point. I will vote but it isn't something I am excited about.

Are you trying to say a conservative talk show like Rush has the same implications for conservatives as ABC, NBC, and CBS, all having very liberal hosts who slant their stories with blatant liberal bias, have for liberals? Average Americans turn on the national news channels for NEWS, not some talking heads liberally biased and filtered news. The people who turn to Rush are people who want to listen to what he has to say. Until Fox News there was no alternative for getting news without having to listen to liberal apologists and propagandists.

[aggie97]

Well said.

Except that the thread starter is on your side. ;) :D

Oops. Sorry, I was so entranced by reading my own words I forgot that Mark57 was NOT the thread originator....... :confused:

ProTrash, are you sure you aren't John Kerry incognito? You waffle all over the fucking place and are collectively an idiot.

Rush's audience is so small anymore I am surprised he is still on the radio. As for the liberal media, personally, I think they do all they can just to stir shit up and generate "news" to keep their jobs. It is no longer the unbiased factual reporting that Kronkite (SP?) and many of the early media who started the Ethics of Journalism, not the "ideals" of career advancement in Journalism. Sadly, I think life in the US has become too easy and our average citizen has been so far removed from any active part in obtaining our personal freedoms that they don't appreciate ANYONE else other than themselves. If I were to take that same "self interest", there would be a lot of dead people in this world....... The country has been going down the tubes ever since morons started valuing people's opinions such as Madonna and other self gratifying public personalities that are trying to feel better about being so advantaged.

Vote for Aggie97 in 2012. I will be on the "No More Bullshit" ticket. The US Goverment, MY Government will be run like the mob. If you don't like it, tough shit!!

[Toolman]

I think the reason a lot of un desided voters might end up voting for bush if we found the WMD is because a lot of people think bush lied about it.. this might get them supporting the war finally..

[Jester]

I think the reason a lot of un desided voters might end up voting for bush if we found the WMD is because a lot of people think bush lied about it.. this might get them supporting the war finally..
Bush did not lie about any WMDs. He acted on the information that was given to him. Would you rather have a thumb sucker in the Whitehouse that doesn't have the balls to make a command decision and is getting his dick sucked by a fat chick?
The world is now rid of Saddam Hussein and it is better for it.....end of fucking story.

[Toolman]

I said people think he lied about it.. what people think and what really happend are different things.. the point is even if bush didnt lie, people still think he did.. he needs to get these voters back..

[Stacey]

I said people think he lied about it.. what people think and what really happend are different things.. the point is even if bush didnt lie, people still think he did.. he needs to get these voters back..

I think your statement above is incorrect., Perhaps the people you hang out with think Bush lied about it but truthfull I have never had one person tell me outright they think Bush lied about WMD....

Stacey

[utdbear]

Rush's audience is so small anymore I am surprised he is still on the radio.

BTW, Rush's show pulls in on average 23 million viewers per week according to Arbitron, followed by Sean Hannity at 12 million weekly. I would say its doing pretty well for them both. :)

[HookEm]

just for arguements sake, 269 would be sufficient for Bush to win....I'm pretty sure he'd win a vote from the House.....call me crazy.....

[BloodofJason]

It’s sad to say, but Kerry is going to take this one. The Swing states will go for Kerry, because they always go for the Challenger when the President is running for second term.


What is even worse, even though Bush did nothing to cause the recession, he has been blamed for it and that is also hurting him. And what’s FUCKED, is that next year when the economy gets better from Bush's tax cuts Kerry will get the credit for it.


And then im going to lose my job because my boss wont have the money to pay me when kerry taxes everyone making 200,000.

[HookEm]

1. Bush will win, and carry a majority for the first time since his father did.
2. The number is actually 147K, not 200,000. That's per kerry's own website......


It’s sad to say, but Kerry is going to take this one. The Swing states will go for Kerry, because they always go for the Challenger when the President is running for second term.


What is even worse, even though Bush did nothing to cause the recession, he has been blamed for it and that is also hurting him. And what’s FUCKED, is that next year when the economy gets better from Bush's tax cuts Kerry will get the credit for it.


And then im going to lose my job because my boss wont have the money to pay me when kerry taxes everyone making 200,000.

[BloodofJason]

No President has won a second term with out a majority. But the Current polls only put him a couple points ahead of kerry. This is going to be an election desided by undesided voters in swing states. If history repeats its self Bush isnt going to win.


1984

Ronald Wilson Reagan 54,455,000 58.8%
Walter Frederick Mondale 13 37,577,000 40.5%

1992

William Jefferson Clinton 44,908,254 42.93%
George Herbert Walker Bush 39,102,343 37.38%

1996

William Jefferson Clinton 47,402,357 49.24%
Robert Joseph Dole 39,198,755 40.71%

As you can see you can see you have to win by a lot. But you never know.

[HookEm]

Nah. You can lose the popular vote...all he needs is 269 EC votes, and he's in. Bush will win, jsut do your part vy voting, and taking 2 or more to the polls with you. The more people see of KErry, the more people like Bush. Bush's numbers have been climbing since the debate, and todays stupid Theresa comment, followed by the attack on cheney for getting a flu shot, will likely help even more. The Rats are self destructing, day by day.


No President has won a second term with out a majority. But the Current polls only put him a couple points ahead of kerry. This is going to be an election desided by undesided voters in swing states. If history repeats its self Bush isnt going to win.


1984

Ronald Wilson Reagan 54,455,000 58.8%
Walter Frederick Mondale 13 37,577,000 40.5%

1992

William Jefferson Clinton 44,908,254 42.93%
George Herbert Walker Bush 39,102,343 37.38%

1996

William Jefferson Clinton 47,402,357 49.24%
Robert Joseph Dole 39,198,755 40.71%

As you can see you can see you have to win by a lot. But you never know.

[BloodofJason]

My vote is on Bush but my money is on kerry. But you can Poll till you are blue and still not know the winner till election day.

[HookEm]

My vote is on Bush but my money is on kerry. But you can Poll till you are blue and still not know the winner till election day.

The more they talk, the more they reveal themselves.

I can't wait for election night.

[TexasDevilDog]

No President has won a second term with out a majority. But the Current polls only put him a couple points ahead of kerry. This is going to be an election desided by undesided voters in swing states. If history repeats its self Bush isnt going to win.


1984

Ronald Wilson Reagan 54,455,000 58.8%
Walter Frederick Mondale 13 37,577,000 40.5%

1992

William Jefferson Clinton 44,908,254 42.93%
George Herbert Walker Bush 39,102,343 37.38%

1996

William Jefferson Clinton 47,402,357 49.24%
Robert Joseph Dole 39,198,755 40.71%

As you can see you can see you have to win by a lot. But you never know.

I didn't realize that Clinton was never elected by a majority of the Americas. BTW, Reagan's 1984 electoral victory was every state except one.

[BloodofJason]

You think this one will end up in court even if its clear Bush is the winner?

[BloodofJason]

As you can see in the History you win a second term with a majority, but you can lose by 2 points. Simply because the undesided voters in swing states voted for the other guy.

[shrp88lx's]

You think this one will end up in court even if its clear Bush is the winner?
no doubt about it!