Why I will never be Elected President

[shrp88lx's]

You are about to read, my friends, why I could never possibly be elected if I were ever to decide to run for office.

Last night Bob Schieffer asked the candidates what they would tell to an individual who had lost his job to some worker overseas who would work for a fraction of the wages he was earning. Bush gave a mealy-mouthed response, and Kerry ignored the question altogether. Here is what I would have said ... and here is why I would never be elected:

"First of all, Bob, I would tell them that it is not their job. The job belongs to the employer, not the employee. You have the job skills. The employer has the jobs. If the employer can make a profit by purchasing your job skills to perform his job then you get a paycheck. If your job skills cost the employer too much, or if your job skills don't meet the employer's needs, then you don't get a paycheck. If you fail to develop your job skills, you run the risk of not having a paycheck. If your job skills don't match the employer's needs, you don't get a paycheck. If you charge too much for your job skills, you won't get hired. You have no right to a job. You do have a right to be left alone by government and your fellow citizens to develop your own God-given talents in such a way that employers will seek you out. You also have a right to ignore educational opportunities and to develop a slovenly work ethic so that employers will shun you. You make your choices, and you live with the consequences of your decisions. I would tell that person that any American with desirable job skills and a good worth ethic, properly priced, would have to hide under his bed to avoid getting a good job. If you believe in the year 2004 that you can build a sound career as a textile plant worker in South Carolina then you are living a lie, and that delusion will soon catch up to you. You need to understand that you are a free and sovereign individual. You don't belong to the government, and it's not the government's responsibility to provide you with a job. It's the government's job to clear the way for you to exercise your free choices, develop your skills, hone your work ethic, and contract with an employer eager to hire someone like you. Past that, you're on your own, and that's life in a free society."

And then there was the question about raising the minimum wage. That's another one you don't want to ask me.

"Look, Bob. Wages are something to be negotiated between the employer and the employee. It is not the job of government to set wages for private sector employees. Our Constitution specifically states that the government is not to alter the terms of a contract between individuals. The matter of wages paid for services rendered is something to be resolved in negotiations between the employer and employee and then expressed in the terms of a contract between the parties. The government has no role here. And while I'm addressing this, let's talk about the people who are actually earning the minimum wage. Most of these people are teenagers working in entry-level jobs. They're developing job skills and will only spend a minimum amount of time at the minimum wage. But what about that small number of people who are trying to raise a family on minimum wage. My opponent won't say this. It's harsh, but it's the truth. If you have done such a pathetic job of developing job skills and a work ethic that you cannot earn more than the minimum wage, then you have no business having children. We have far too many people in this country who have children that they know full well they cannot afford to raise. The answer to this problem is not to force employers to pay them more than they are worth. The answer is to educate people as to the cost of properly raising a child, and to encourage them to make sure they can pay the bills before they make the decision to have a baby."

Oh yeah ... that's going to get me a lot of votes.

[Toolman]

its people like you that cause the ecconomy to fail.. when you take good paying jobs from Americans they stop buying.. when people stop buying the ecconomy sucks..

[utdbear]

You sir, are maybe the biggest moron I have ever seen on any message board. Your idiocy is unparalled.

[Toolman]

explain to me how people with no jobs or low paying jobs will buy the products these companies sell..

[mikeb]

What shrp88lx is saying is that the final responsibility for a person lies with that person himself/herself and no one else. No one else is responsible for "me" now that i'm over 18. The choices I make as I go through life will have an effect as far as how well I will be able to live. The same applies to everyone else.

If you want to make the big bucks then you'll need the job skills that an employer who pays big bucks can use. It's that simple. No one is going to hire a high school dropout to do mechanical engineering. The skills are just not there. It's not the fault of the employer; rather it's the fault of the applicant not having the required skills.

It's called "personal accountability".

[SlowLX]

Get new jobs move on. Learn a new skill if you're job is being undersold to other countries. Its called WORLD progress.

[46Tbird]

explain to me how people with no jobs or low paying jobs will buy the products these companies sell..Did you read anything at all? It is YOUR responsiblity to get a good job, not to have the government provide one to you.

[mikeb]

explain to me how people with no jobs or low paying jobs will buy the products these companies sell..

They won't. But these people can improve themselves to get better jobs if they want to.

[mardyn]

Good points.... but not for getting votes, as you pointed out...

Plenty of the kerry supporters (re: democrats) expect the government to provide every necessity of life, form birth to the grave, and for those who have got out, busted ass, got an education, got a good job, are not pumpin' out welfare babies,
well, they all are all at fault... 'cause I don't have a job... "woe is me..."

It's absolutely ludicris how these people think...

mardyn

[AL P]

explain to me how people with no jobs or low paying jobs will buy the products these companies sell..

They don't. If they want to buy these things they have to get a job or get a better paying job. In order to do so they have to improve themselves. Only they can improve themselves, the government can't do it for them.

If you can't afford to buy what you want, go look in the mirror and you'll see who is to blame. George Bush isn't to blame for your laziness.

I get up in the morning and look in the mirror and realize I can't afford a Ferrari F355. I want one. The reason I can't afford one is because I have made bad decisions in the past. That's my fault, not anyone else's. MY FAULT.

And when I get to the point where I am sitting my ass in that Ferrari a few years from now I won't feel guilty. I won't wonder how many welfare mothers could eat with the $1800 a month car payment I make. WHY? Because where are those welfare mothers at right now? Why aren't they here helping me now? Helping me get to where I want to be? They are off doing what they chose to do while I work my ass off. That's where they are.

[TexasDevilDog]

its people like you that cause the ecconomy to fail.. when you take good paying jobs from Americans they stop buying.. when people stop buying the ecconomy sucks..

Stop buying what? Stuff at Walmart, which is mostly stuff from China.

It is the mentality of taking from the rich to give to the poor, so they can buy stuff that is causing outsourcing. Taking money from a person that is productive and creates jobs and give the money to someone that only consumes hurts the economy as a whole.

What is it, that you want for these people? Give them money to spend or a job, so that they can earn money to spend.

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime."

[Kaji]

Did you read anything at all? It is YOUR responsiblity to get a good job, not to have the government provide one to you.

He's just another person that expects to have a good job just because he's an American.

[mikeb]

That right there is what you call a slam dunk post. Just in case some of you can't figure that out for yourselves. ;)

:D

But it's true. Sure people have bad luck and hard times and all but in the final analysis where you are in life is your own responsibility - no one elses.

If you can't make it in the USA then you can't make it anywhere. This is still the best country in the world bar none :cool: as evidenced by the sheer number of people trying to cross our borders.

[Unseen]

What a breath of fresh air this post is. I do not understand the entitlement issues people in this country have. Live your life as you see fit, make your own "luck", and know that what you get out of it is directly related to what you put into it. If a man goes through life assuming that nobody is going to give him anything and that he can only depend on himself, he will probably be successful. Yeah, maybe that's a harsh realization, but that's life.

Bad things happen to good people, and I think measures have been put in place by the government to help them out. They aren't perfect, mind you, but I'm not sure they ever could be. In no way do I think the government should coddle people just because they are lazy or because they think they have been done wrong.

People overseas aren't going to work shit jobs for shit pay forever. It may be a while, but it won't be forever. Meanwhile, I'm not upset that some guy in China is crouching on the floor grinding on a casting for 50 cents a week when I could be doing it over here for 18 dollars an hour. I really don't care. I know that my company can buy those castings fully machined for a tenth of the cost of machining alone in the states. That is one reason my company can still be competitive in the global market, keeping me in a job for now. That's fine with me. Maybe someday that won't be enough. That will be OK, too. I've seen and interviewed the people out there "looking" for jobs these days. I have no doubt I'll be competitive in that market.

Toolman, you are really off on this one. Just because someone has been making good money with a job does not make it a "good paying job". Just like everything else, a job's worth is related to supply and demand. Employers will pay as little as they can for someone to perform a job, and where supply is high, cost will be low.

People with low paying jobs will be better able to afford the products from overseas because they will not cost as much to produce. This cost should trickle down to the consumer, as long as the govt. doesn't overstep their bounds. (as I see them)

[Osiris]

its people like you that cause the ecconomy to fail.. when you take good paying jobs from Americans they stop buying.. when people stop buying the ecconomy sucks..


WTF?

*smack*

[aggie97]

If you look at the American Citizen's development from 1850 to today, you will find that when the times dictated that the individual was responsible for making their own life and success, there were very little "Socialist" ideals. As Society began to be automated and Liberal thought about the "collective" generousity to man came to the forefront of the MEDIA because dreams sell, the general accountability of the citizen has gone to zero. It's essentially a subsidized book of excuses of "why" I can't be successful. It is a denial of personal responsibility attempting to lay blame on someone other than themselves. It's Jealousy at the root and those without in this life want to think Robinhood should be a reality. Well, Bullshit. I have worked hard for everything I have achieved. I did not have things handed to me by my parents because they CHOSE to be responsible in raising me. Frankly, my government telling me that I have to pay higher taxes to fund the lazy indigents in this world enrages me! I would rather end their "suffering" with a bullet in their head. The indigent are lucky that OUR government has deemed this kind of activity as illegal. They should be thankful for that protection alone as protecting my rights and property is my right. Luckily, for them, there are laws that dictate HOW I am allowed to do so.

To the originator of this post, I support you 100%. If you need a running mate, give me a buzz. However, I too could never be elected as president because my answers would be too harsh and considered mean.

Shit, I am going back to work now.

[Pro Trash]

You are about to read, my friends, why I could never possibly be elected if I were ever to decide to run for office.

Last night Bob Schieffer asked the candidates what they would tell to an individual who had lost his job to some worker overseas who would work for a fraction of the wages he was earning. Bush gave a mealy-mouthed response, and Kerry ignored the question altogether. Here is what I would have said ... and here is why I would never be elected:

"First of all, Bob, I would tell them that it is not their job. The job belongs to the employer, not the employee. You have the job skills. The employer has the jobs. If the employer can make a profit by purchasing your job skills to perform his job then you get a paycheck. If your job skills cost the employer too much, or if your job skills don't meet the employer's needs, then you don't get a paycheck. If you fail to develop your job skills, you run the risk of not having a paycheck. If your job skills don't match the employer's needs, you don't get a paycheck. If you charge too much for your job skills, you won't get hired. You have no right to a job. You do have a right to be left alone by government and your fellow citizens to develop your own God-given talents in such a way that employers will seek you out. You also have a right to ignore educational opportunities and to develop a slovenly work ethic so that employers will shun you. You make your choices, and you live with the consequences of your decisions. I would tell that person that any American with desirable job skills and a good worth ethic, properly priced, would have to hide under his bed to avoid getting a good job. If you believe in the year 2004 that you can build a sound career as a textile plant worker in South Carolina then you are living a lie, and that delusion will soon catch up to you. You need to understand that you are a free and sovereign individual. You don't belong to the government, and it's not the government's responsibility to provide you with a job. It's the government's job to clear the way for you to exercise your free choices, develop your skills, hone your work ethic, and contract with an employer eager to hire someone like you. Past that, you're on your own, and that's life in a free society."

And then there was the question about raising the minimum wage. That's another one you don't want to ask me.

"Look, Bob. Wages are something to be negotiated between the employer and the employee. It is not the job of government to set wages for private sector employees. Our Constitution specifically states that the government is not to alter the terms of a contract between individuals. The matter of wages paid for services rendered is something to be resolved in negotiations between the employer and employee and then expressed in the terms of a contract between the parties. The government has no role here. And while I'm addressing this, let's talk about the people who are actually earning the minimum wage. Most of these people are teenagers working in entry-level jobs. They're developing job skills and will only spend a minimum amount of time at the minimum wage. But what about that small number of people who are trying to raise a family on minimum wage. My opponent won't say this. It's harsh, but it's the truth. If you have done such a pathetic job of developing job skills and a work ethic that you cannot earn more than the minimum wage, then you have no business having children. We have far too many people in this country who have children that they know full well they cannot afford to raise. The answer to this problem is not to force employers to pay them more than they are worth. The answer is to educate people as to the cost of properly raising a child, and to encourage them to make sure they can pay the bills before they make the decision to have a baby."

Oh yeah ... that's going to get me a lot of votes.

I can agree with your out look on the individuals need to be responsible for themselves. I do however laugh at your last line about education. Being a teacher and seeing how screwed up the government has made our education system makes one wonder. College tuition has increased considerably, they have instituted no child left behind which in current form given it's lack of funding is inept at best. So ponder your last line and you'll see why you would not get any votes.

[aggie97]

I can agree with your out look on the individuals need to be responsible for themselves. I do however laugh at your last line about education. Being a teacher and seeing how screwed up the government has made our education system makes one wonder. College tuition has increased considerably, they have instituted no child left behind which in current form given it's lack of funding is inept at best. So ponder your last line and you'll see why you would not get any votes.

Ponder your statement for a while as a teacher. You could do a much better job at teaching our kids to be productive. However, teachers in general feel they are underpaid and most that I know personally, don't see it as their responsibility to "teach" these kids and make them better. Why ask me to pay teachers more money when it will only better their living situation and not the quality of education? That's about like the police asking for pay raises when they are so ineffective at preventing crime and then take it out on the public by collecting revenue through traffic tickets. Fuck it. Maybe anarchy is the way for us to weed out all the losers as only the strongest will survive. :rolleyes:

[shrp88lx's]

I can agree with your out look on the individuals need to be responsible for themselves. I do however laugh at your last line about education. Being a teacher and seeing how screwed up the government has made our education system makes one wonder. College tuition has increased considerably, they have instituted no child left behind which in current form given it's lack of funding is inept at best. So ponder your last line and you'll see why you would not get any votes.:Most educators believe that more money fixes the problems, You have accused Bush of underfunding "No child left behind" so let me share some facts with you:
Actually, as reported last March, funding for the federal Department of Education grew a whopping 58% under Bush during his first three years, and Bush proposed another 5% increase for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, including sizeable increases in spending for children from low-income families and for special education for disabled children. Even the Kerry campaign's own data -- which they provided to FactCheck.org at our request -- shows funding for programs specific to the No Child Left Behind law have increased by $2.7 billion, or 12%, since the new law was enacted