Bush suspended from flying duty during his tour

[Pro Trash]

I pulled this directly from the yahoo homepage news section.

"(AP) - Addressing questions that have lingered for years, newly unearthed memos state that George W. Bush failed to meet standards of the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war, that he refused a direct order and that his superiors were in a state of turmoil over how to evaluate his performance after he was suspended from flying. One military official "is pushing to sugar coat it," one memo says of a proposed evaluation of Bush"

I have a problem with a President who was to shallow to do his duty but now orders others into such peril to do theirs. This is a mark of true cowardice.

[Dacotua]

I have a problem with a President who was to shallow to do his duty but now orders others into such peril to do theirs. This is a mark of true cowardice.


Actually if you read all the papers that were released you'll see that Bush asked to be taken off flight status so he could do some political stuff. He was granted the leave for political reasons.

Also look at the history of the airbase he was at. Bush was trained on a F107 and the base was taking delivery of the new F4 Phantoms. It wasn't worth the Airforces time to train Bush to fly the F4 since he was due to get discharged from the reserves soon.

The problem you should have is with a canidate who lied on how he got his medals. Go see

www.swiftvets.com

Bush has ordered all his military records to be released, why hasn't Kerry done the same?

[The Punisher]

Bush has ordered all his military records to be released, why hasn't Kerry done the same?
That would be asking too much for John Kerry to be honest ;)

[Denny]

Pooooooooooooooooointless!

[Pro Trash]

Actually if you read all the papers that were released you'll see that Bush asked to be taken off flight status so he could do some political stuff. He was granted the leave for political reasons.

Also look at the history of the airbase he was at. Bush was trained on a F107 and the base was taking delivery of the new F4 Phantoms. It wasn't worth the Airforces time to train Bush to fly the F4 since he was due to get discharged from the reserves soon.

The problem you should have is with a canidate who lied on how he got his medals. Go see

www.swiftvets.com

Bush has ordered all his military records to be released, why hasn't Kerry done the same?

You ever been in the military? Bush "DISOBEYED" a direct order from a superior officer to take his flight physical so he could do what he wanted be placed in a non-flight status position. That in itself is not service to ones country that is service to ones self. Now he expects other to risk all based off his orders and expect complete compliance. What is with the double standard?

[Pro Trash]

Pooooooooooooooooointless!

You volunteered as a civilian for monetary reasons, I don't expect you to agree with this. You are making money off the war.

[Pro Trash]

That would be asking too much for John Kerry to be honest ;)

If so why has this just been released because it was found in someone elses record jacket?

[The Punisher]

You ever been in the military? Bush "DISOBEYED" a direct order from a superior officer to take his flight physical so he could do what he wanted be placed in a non-flight status position. That in itself is not service to ones country that is service to ones self. Now he expects other to risk all based off his orders and expect complete compliance. What is with the double standard?
is Bush running for President on his early military record? NO! Is John Kerry? YES!
everyone makes mistakes, but if you are going to run for president on something in your past you better be ready to be questioned on it and defend it!

[The Punisher]

If so why has this just been released because it was found in someone elses record jacket?
I dont know, this could be true, it could not be true. Everyone makes mistakes, people do change, but Bush is not running his campain on something that this far back in the past, Kerry is!

[Pro Trash]

is Bush running for President on his early military record? NO! Is John Kerry? YES!
everyone makes mistakes, but if you are going to run for president on something in your past you better be ready to be questioned on it and defend it!

Maybe your weak enough to excuse someones cowardice from a war your father may have fought in but I am not. My dad did four tours in Vietnam as a CH-47 helicopter crewman and I have no respect for Bush as a Commander and Chief.

[MustangJohn]

go flap your left wing somewhere else fucknut.

[shrp88lx's]

Maybe your weak enough to excuse someones cowardice from a war your father may have fought in but I am not. My dad did four tours in Vietnam as a CH-47 helicopter crewman and I have no respect for Bush as a Commander and Chief.
HAHA and your so blinded by your hatred youd turn it all over to someone with kerry's record, who doesnt want this country to remain soverign, after all according to him we need the french and germans and the UN to tell us what to do. YEA thats a good plan!!!

[utdbear]

Am I the only one that thinks its kind of funny for the Swift Veterans to wait 3 months before national exposure is given to their story, but it takes 20 minutes for something to bash Bush to hit the national media?

[utdbear]

There is a refined difference between allowing someone to tell you what to do and working with them in a consolidated effort and keeping them as loyal allies. Bush has gone to far and burned the bridge. I don't hate Bush I just feel he is unhealthy for Presidential seat.
How can you say Bush has gone too far by 'allegedly' refusing to take a physical, yet when Kerry has 'allegedly' lied about his medals, you stand behind him. Which one is worse, refusing to take a physical or lying to get Purple Hearts?

[shrp88lx's]

There is a refined difference between allowing someone to tell you what to do and working with them in a consolidated effort and keeping them as loyal allies. Bush has gone to far and burned the bridge. I don't hate Bush I just feel he is unhealthy for Presidential seat.
Yes lets work with those countries who were breaking the international law dealing with Iraq, that way the sanctions wont work, then we have to use force?? These are the people we want to allie with??? I think not. Burned a bridge, HAHA thats just funny, the french and germans are NOT our allies.

[shrp88lx's]

There is a refined difference between allowing someone to tell you what to do and working with them in a consolidated effort and keeping them as loyal allies. Bush has gone to far and burned the bridge. I don't hate Bush I just feel he is unhealthy for Presidential seat.Yes lets work with those countries who were breaking the international law dealing with Iraq, that way the sanctions wont work, then we have to use force?? These are the people we want to allie with??? I think not. Burned a bridge, HAHA thats just funny, the french and germans are NOT our allies

[Pro Trash]

HAHA and your so blinded by your hatred youd turn it all over to someone with kerry's record, who doesnt want this country to remain soverign, after all according to him we need the french and germans and the UN to tell us what to do. YEA thats a good plan!!!

There is a refined difference between allowing someone to tell you what to do and working with them in a consolidated effort and keeping them as loyal allies. Bush has gone to far and burned the bridge. I don't hate Bush I just feel he is unhealthy for Presidential seat.

[shrp88lx's]

This is because the swift boat guys are backed by the same persons who trashed John McCain in 2000 when he was running against Bush for the Republican seat. You see they are nothing more than attack dogs and they're weak at best. If they were so concerned with Kerry they would have came after him in the Senate and exposed him with their questionable truths then. Problem is there are vets for and against Kerry that served with him. Who is are the liars? Did you or I serve there? no So how can one speculate.
Actually quite a few of the swiftvets came after Kerry as soon as they came back in the early 70's. What does it matter who provides the money for their ads??? If you say it does then be prepared to go after the dems supporters who have provided much more money and ads to 527's.

[Pro Trash]

go flap your left wing somewhere else fucknut.

Well at least you have one thing in common with Bush you can't think of anything remotely intelligent to say either. I will dismiss you as just ignorant or plain stupid, your choice of course.

[Pro Trash]

Am I the only one that thinks its kind of funny for the Swift Veterans to wait 3 months before national exposure is given to their story, but it takes 20 minutes for something to bash Bush to hit the national media?

This is because the swift boat guys are backed by the same persons who trashed John McCain in 2000 when he was running against Bush for the Republican seat. You see they are nothing more than attack dogs and they're weak at best. If they were so concerned with Kerry they would have came after him in the Senate and exposed him with their questionable truths then. Problem is there are vets for and against Kerry that served with him. Who is are the liars? Did you or I serve there? no So how can one speculate.

[utdbear]

This is because the swift boat guys are backed by the same persons who trashed John McCain in 2000 when he was running against Bush for the Republican seat. You see they are nothing more than attack dogs and they're weak at best. If they were so concerned with Kerry they would have came after him in the Senate and exposed him with their questionable truths then. Problem is there are vets for and against Kerry that served with him. Who is are the liars? Did you or I serve there? no So how can one speculate.
I can only go by what I hear, and what is said by both opponents and allies of Kerry. I would be very wary if only 9 pages of a military report are released after it was requested, when the guy is running for President. Much more wary than someone refusing to take a physical because he was about to get discharged. To me it seems the Democrats are trying hard to find dirt on these Swift Boat guys, and not focusing on disproving them. To attack Bush on it just seems dumb, if you know its not true, prove it, and then they'll look dumb.

[The Punisher]

Maybe your weak enough to excuse someones cowardice from a war your father may have fought in but I am not. My dad did four tours in Vietnam as a CH-47 helicopter crewman and I have no respect for Bush as a Commander and Chief.
So ProTrash, answer my question.
Did you vote for Clinton?

[Dacotua]

Lets see -- Protrash thinks :

1. Its bad for a group like the swiftvets to bash Kerry. Even though they have records to back their claim.

2. Its GREAT that moveon.org bashes Bush, and its been PROVEN they have DIRECT TIES to the Democratic Party.

3. Its GREAT that Michael Moore puts out a LIE and claims its a documentary.

4. Its GREAT that The Kerry's have Outsourced over 100,000 jobs to foriegn countries by Hienz Ketchup and then claims Bush is responsible. Hienz Ketchup is a manufacturer!

5. Its GREAT that Kerry LIED to get his purple hearts.

6. Its GREAT that Kerry wants to lead the US Military, even though he believes they DONT NEED BODY ARMOR, They dont need the modern weapons they are using, and they DONT NEED COMBAT PAY. (See how he voted in the senate).

7. Its Great that Kerry Says this week he's for the war, then the next week he's against.

8. Kerry has the "Flipper" theme song devoted to him.

etc...

[TAMUz06]

As long as myself and my buddies believe that President Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a sound one, and as long as we admire the courage to stand up and actually act instead of talking an issue well past the talking stage - we will support him and he has our trust.

But that's just me and the boys out here in the sand...

[MustangJohn]

Well at least you have one thing in common with Bush you can't think of anything remotely intelligent to say either. I will dismiss you as just ignorant or plain stupid, your choice of course.


No I have plenty to say shit head. I would rather just sit back and watch you make an ass of yourself. I get more satisfaction watching you show your lack of intelligence.

I will dismiss the statement you made calling me stuid or ignorant. You have no clue who I am.

[Paladin]

As long as myself and my buddies believe that President Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a sound one, and as long as we admire the courage to stand up and actually act instead of talking an issue well past the talking stage - we will support him and he has our trust.

But that's just me and the boys out here in the sand...

I talked with a woman who has two sons in Iraq and another who will graduate HS this school year and will enlist soon thereafter. While she does not want her sons to die in any war, she knows Bush is doing the right thing by being in Iraq. She said something that will forever be etched in my mind.

She said "I know if we weren't in Iraq as part of the war on terror, someone else's son would have to be there after the next attack. I say go get them now before that happens."

I was pretty much awed by her courage, insight, and sacrifice for this war.

[AL P]

As long as myself and my buddies believe that President Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a sound one, and as long as we admire the courage to stand up and actually act instead of talking an issue well past the talking stage - we will support him and he has our trust.

But that's just me and the boys out here in the sand...

You mean you aren't disgruntled and pissed off?

Michael Moore said you were.

[jyro]

you want a negative posting war about Kerry, I'll sure go toe to toe with you.

[MustangJohn]

I have one for you Pro Trash. You have been writing about this so called scandal all day. I have also watched the news. Answer me one question.
How many type writers in 1972 had the ability to type super script? The experts say none!!! The so called memo that stated W directly disobeyed an order for a physcal was typed in 1972. It used super script to refer to the 111th and the 187th group, which was un heard of in this era. It is all starting to look like an internet hoax to me.......



John O'Polka

[mopar63]

Posted by Pro Trash:

"I have a problem with a President who was to shallow to do his duty but now orders others into such peril to do theirs."

"This is a mark of true cowardice.You ever been in the military? Bush "DISOBEYED" a direct order from a superior officer to take his flight physical so he could do what he wanted be placed in a non-flight status position."


This does not change the fact that Kerry is a complete TOOL. Kerry "DISOBEYED" also as you have pointed out, but on a larger scale, he basically Bitch Slapped the U.S. by going against his country, can you say TREASON- sure you can. Lets not forget Clintons pot smoking and "draft incident" that you folks seem to approve/ overlook. If you cant find some real dirt on "W" go back and post on "Ilovemichealmoore.com.

That being said I respect your opinion but unlike you I will never support a commie, pole smoking, gun grabbing, U.N. supporting, Spineless Bastard like John Kerry

[HookEm]

FAKE

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL 20040909d.html
http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=4596&R=9FCD2F192

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&u=/ap/20040910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_memos_3&printer=1

[HookEm]

And Protrashs reply is?


your a commie basterd...ya wanna race, you pincko sack of crap?
Your all falling for the VRWC! I was in a war...or 5. and Im a teecher, to!

:p

[Osiris]

<------Waits for a reply

[HookEm]

And still from our resident Anti-American web board surfer, Pro trash.... (http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/sound_effects_WAV/sound_effect_WAV_files/crickets_1.wav)

[The Punisher]

And Im still waiting for my question to be answered too :( :D

[Pro Trash]

Posted by Pro Trash:

"I have a problem with a President who was to shallow to do his duty but now orders others into such peril to do theirs."

"This is a mark of true cowardice.You ever been in the military? Bush "DISOBEYED" a direct order from a superior officer to take his flight physical so he could do what he wanted be placed in a non-flight status position."


This does not change the fact that Kerry is a complete TOOL. Kerry "DISOBEYED" also as you have pointed out, but on a larger scale, he basically Bitch Slapped the U.S. by going against his country, can you say TREASON- sure you can. Lets not forget Clintons pot smoking and "draft incident" that you folks seem to approve/ overlook. If you cant find some real dirt on "W" go back and post on "Ilovemichealmoore.com.

That being said I respect your opinion but unlike you I will never support a commie, pole smoking, gun grabbing, U.N. supporting, Spineless Bastard like John Kerry

I am not sure how this thread has came to be about Kerry, read the article then defend it from the Bush camp. Kerry isn't the one who neglected his duty to get out of Vietnam. Bush did.

[Pro Trash]

And still from our resident Anti-American web board surfer, Pro trash.... (http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/sound_effects_WAV/sound_effect_WAV_files/crickets_1.wav)

It is funny how you no longer post anything remotely intelligent. I used to think you did have a certain ability to argue a point; however, now everything you post is at a 6th grade level at best and belongs in a lunchroom. Also I am more American than you could ever dream to be, I have spent my entire adult life in public service on either the federal or state level. I volunteer to help conduct workshops, to help adults earn their GEDs, I vote, I assist in campaigns, I tell my kids both sides of politics so they may choose for themselves who they feel belongs in the White House. You are small minded, jealous and bitter. Also don't write things under my quote I didn't actually say, it only shows how truly pathetic you are. If you are envious just say so, I understand.

[The Punisher]

It is funny how you no longer post anything remotely intelligent. I used to think you did have a certain ability to argue a point; however, now everything you post is at a 6th grade level at best and belongs in a lunchroom. Also I am more American than you could ever dream to be, I have spent my entire adult life in public service on either the federal or state level. I volunteer to help conduct workshops, to help adults earn their GEDs, I vote, I assist in campaigns, I tell my kids both sides of politics so they may choose for themselves who they feel belongs in the White House. You are small minded, jealous and bitter. Also don't write things under my quote I didn't actually say, it only shows how truly pathetic you are. If you are envious just say so, I understand. ;)

[Pro Trash]

;)

You are allowed to be jealous too, it is a free country. I stand my ground with any man that comes face to face or in this instance keyboard to key board with me.

[The Punisher]

You are allowed to be jealous too, it is a free country. I stand my ground with any man that comes face to face or in this instance keyboard to key board with me.Then again, cut the bull. Did you vote for Clinton or not?

[Pro Trash]

Then again, cut the bull. Did you vote for Clinton or not?

As matter of fact I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas and on TDY to Fort Knox Kentucky. Yes I voted by absentee ballot for Clinton, I remember marching myself down on a cold October rain soaked night to drop my ballot in the mail. It was the most memorable vote I ever made. I am a Democrat by 5% and that 5% makes the difference. Dole did not impress me at the time and Clinton had done well by the military aside from the gay issue and Somalia. Our budget had been cut significantly but that was not just Clinton that was coming from Congress as well. So I voted for who I felt the better candidate was.

[Pro Trash]

is that what u mean by not posting quotes with your name?


Oops?

Did your parents loose a bet with god or are you really this dumb?

[HookEm]

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


is that what u mean by not posting quotes with your name?


Oops?

[HookEm]

Did your parents loose a bet with god or are you really this dumb?


This, coming from someone who can't differentiate between God and god, nor your and you're.

Priceless.

[The Punisher]

As matter of fact I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas and on TDY to Fort Knox Kentucky. Yes I voted by absentee ballot for Clinton, I remember marching myself down on a cold October rain soaked night to drop my ballot in the mail. It was the most memorable vote I ever made. I am a Democrat by 5% and that 5% makes the difference. Dole did not impress me at the time and Clinton had done well by the military aside from the gay issue and Somalia. Our budget had been cut significantly but that was not just Clinton that was coming from Congress as well. So I voted for who I felt the better candidate was.
So you voted for someone that was a coward from the war and didnt serve? how dare you.... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought you had no respect for that?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Im done....
the hypocrisy is show again

[Pro Trash]

So you voted for someone that was a coward from the war and didnt serve? how dare you.... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought you had no respect for that?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Im done....
the hypocrisy is show again

Clinton never ran on a war record, he stated he was a man of peace. Bush has his "military record" in his bio on his home page as does Kerry. So I disagree with your conclusion and oh by the way how many wars have you and ole Hook em been too? I have been in three so does that make you all cowards?

[HookEm]

So you voted for someone that was a coward from the war and didnt serve? how dare you.... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought you had no respect for that?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Im done....
the hypocrisy is show again

LMFAO!

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/HookEm/kittyowned.jpg

[Pro Trash]

Protrash just got knocked the fuck out!

Keep telling yourself that, for each election has points that they are run off of. Even had the 96 election had more Vietnam issues raised it would not have been as meaningful as it is today. For obvious reasons, we were not at war, we had not seen the likes of an attack like 9-11 since Dec 1941 and Dole didn't push his military record very hard. Had he I may have voted for him, I liked him after the election but he came off during his campaign as numb old man. So what were your thoughts during the 96 election or do you even think?

[Pro Trash]

LMFAO!

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/HookEm/kittyowned.jpg

I thank you for taking the time out to put my quotes under your sig. This means I am obviously in your head and shows you are a weak person. I don't seem to find you interesting enough to quote anything you say, so once again thanks for admiring me so much.

[Jester]

So you voted for someone that was a coward from the war and didnt serve? how dare you.... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought you had no respect for that?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Im done....
the hypocrisy is show again
Protrash just got knocked the fuck out!

[Pro Trash]

[my opinion]We were not a war then b/c Clinton was to busy getting a blow job instead of actually doing something about the WTC bombing number 1. [/my opinion]
But like you said, Clinton is a man of peace. *cough* *cough* A pansy of peace. How many bombings did we need from terrorist before we did anything about it. :rolleyes:

It actually started when nothing was done when we lost Syracuse students over Lockerby Scottland and nothing was done.

[Pro Trash]

By the way, cock smoker...you don't loose a bet. You lose a bet.

Your facination with the male anamoty is odd if gay you don't need to share, I don't care to know.

[HookEm]

Did your parents loose a bet with god or are you really this dumb?

By the way, cock smoker...you don't loose a bet. You lose a bet.

[The Punisher]

Clinton never ran on a war record, he stated he was a man of peace. Bush has his "military record" in his bio on his home page as does Kerry. So I disagree with your conclusion and oh by the way how many wars have you and ole Hook em been too? I have been in three so does that make you all cowards?
thats because he never had any kind of war record, he dodged the draft! Your only digging your self a deeper hole here. Me and Hookem are cowards? did I dodge the draft?

Clinton, a man of peace now?.................... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that has got to be the funniest quote of the day!!!!!!!!!

[Pro Trash]

thats because he never had any kind of war record, he dodged the draft! Your only digging your self a deeper hole here. Me and Hookem are cowards? did I dodge the draft?

Clinton, a man of peace now?.................... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that has got to be the funniest quote of the day!!!!!!!!!



I am askig not accusing, this is your time I don't see you rushing off to defend the nation. Then by your terms and requirements you must be a coward as was Bush and Clinton. So are you admitting to being to afraid to go serve or like Chenney do you have more important things to do? I have served so that people like you and I can make these choices. The holes I have lived in were for both of our benefit as are the holes our troops are living in today to protect our freedoms. Maybe you don't know the real cost of democracy and if this is the case you never will.

[Pro Trash]

Pro Trash, log out and log back in, your post are coming up in the middle of the tread

Thanks I just caught that

[The Punisher]

Keep telling yourself that, for each election has points that they are run off of. Even had the 96 election had more Vietnam issues raised it would not have been as meaningful as it is today. For obvious reasons, we were not at war, we had not seen the likes of an attack like 9-11 since Dec 1941 and Dole didn't push his military record very hard. Had he I may have voted for him, I liked him after the election but he came off during his campaign as numb old man. So what were your thoughts during the 96 election or do you even think?
[my opinion]We were not a war then b/c Clinton was to busy getting a blow job instead of actually doing something about the WTC bombing number 1. [/my opinion]
But like you said, Clinton is a man of peace. *cough* *cough* A pansy of peace. How many bombings did we need from terrorist before we did anything about it. :rolleyes:

[HookEm]

Keep telling yourself that, for each election has points that they are run off of. Even had the 96 election had more Vietnam issues raised it would not have been as meaningful as it is today. For obvious reasons, we were not at war, we had not seen the likes of an attack like 9-11 since Dec 1941 and Dole didn't push his military record very hard. Had he I may have voted for him, I liked him after the election but he came off during his campaign as numb old man. So what were your thoughts during the 96 election or do you even think?



Originally Posted by ProTrash
I have a problem with a President who was to shallow to do his duty but now orders others into such peril to do theirs. This is a mark of true cowardice.




Quote:
Originally Posted by ProTrash
Yes I voted by absentee ballot for Clinton...It was the most memorable vote I ever made.

[The Punisher]

I thank you for taking the time out to put my quotes under your sig. This means I am obviously in your head and shows you are a weak person. I don't seem to find you interesting enough to quote anything you say, so once again thanks for admiring me so much. LMAO, where do you come up with this crap? Demorcat black book 101?

[The Punisher]

Pro Trash, log out and log back in, your post are coming up in the middle of the tread

[Jester]

Keep telling yourself that, for each election has points that they are run off of. Even had the 96 election had more Vietnam issues raised it would not have been as meaningful as it is today. For obvious reasons, we were not at war, we had not seen the likes of an attack like 9-11 since Dec 1941 and Dole didn't push his military record very hard. Had he I may have voted for him, I liked him after the election but he came off during his campaign as numb old man. So what were your thoughts during the 96 election or do you even think?
I thought Bill was a draft dodging pussy that would waste my taxes. I can't believe somebody that was in the Army is on a draft dodgers side. Your Drill Sergeants must have been dumbasses!

[The Punisher]

I am askig not accusing, this is your time I don't see you rushing off to defend the nation. Then by your terms and requirements you must be a coward as was Bush and Clinton. So are you admitting to being to afraid to go serve or like Chenney do you have more important things to do? I have served so that people like you and I can make these choices. The holes I have lived in were for both of our benefit as are the holes our troops are living in today to protect our freedoms. Maybe you don't know the real cost of democracy and if this is the case you never will. if you knew the real cost of democracy, you wouldnt be voting Kerry. BTW, I've already served this nation.
;) See, like I said, you dont know me. And you know, questioning my patriotism gets really old. How come its always dems that start this crap. Do you want me to question yours?

But I think you sir are the coward today.

[Pro Trash]

LMAO, where do you come up with this crap? Demorcat black book 101?

Nope, I shoot from the hip. Even you must admit Hook em makes it easy for me. He is so intent on getting something on me he's easily frustrated and lacks the basic logical thought process to gather one or two sentences that are not spit at you with foul language and scores of put downs. He travels away from the discussion and tries to make it personal, that is when I laugh and really enjoy this process. To me it isn't personal I thought it was a while back but then realized it is just an outlet. I believe Hook em is in significant need of prozac or something of that nature.

[Pro Trash]

if you knew the real cost of democracy, you wouldnt be voting Kerry. BTW, I've already served this nation.
;) See, like I said, you dont know me. And you know, questioning my patriotism gets really old. How come its always dems that start this crap. Do you want me to question yours?

But I think you sir are the coward today.

Ask away, I will answer, you said it yourself I asked about your patriotism I never concluded you did not serve. Nor have I stated you are a coward I formed it in a question.Also for your personal knowledge I never back down from anything, you see cowardice is falling to your fears, bravery is setting them aside and acting in their very presence. I always act, I never hide.

[HookEm]

Your facination with the male anamoty is odd if gay you don't need to share, I don't care to know.


http://www.biw.streetracing.org/English%20Motherfucker,%20You%20Speak%20It.gif

[HookEm]

Nope, I shoot from the hip. Even you must admit Hook em makes it easy for me. He is so intent on getting something on me he's easily frustrated and lacks the basic logical thought process to gather one or two sentences that are not spit at you with foul language and scores of put downs. He travels away from the discussion and tries to make it personal, that is when I laugh and really enjoy this process. To me it isn't personal I thought it was a while back but then realized it is just an outlet. I believe Hook em is in significant need of prozac or something of that nature.

You've been owned by me, and several others on this board ,more often than your first girlfriend on Dollar Whore Nite in Juarez. You can't spell, your transitional phrases are pathetic, and you write on a 6th-8th grade level....when you aren't busy plagarizing someone else's work.

[The Punisher]

Ask away, I will answer, you said it yourself I asked about your patriotism I never concluded you did not serve. Nor have I stated you are a coward I formed it in a question.Also for your personal knowledge I never back down from anything, you see cowardice is falling to your fears, bravery is setting them aside and acting in their very presence. I always act, I never hide.
I am not going to ask about your military service, nor would I even come out first to mention the word coward about anybody in this thread. I didnt open the can of worms, you did. I dont care to question your miltary service unless you run for president and you run on your record. As for me calling you a coward, I simply called it b/c I clearly showed the hypocrisy in your comments about Bush and his service that he never ended up in vietnam, but you still voted for a draft dodger. I called you a coward for failing to admit your hypocrisy behind this. Instead you kept digging your self in a deeper hole. Hey, I'll admit we are all hypocrits, but I and I hope you respect the ones that when they see it call themselves on it.

[Pro Trash]

You've been owned by me, and several others on this board ,more often than your first girlfriend on Dollar Whore Nite in Juarez. You can't spell, your transitional phrases are pathetic, and you write on a 6th-8th grade level....when you aren't busy plagarizing someone else's work.

Say what you want but my name is on your page you must admire me, LOL. As for your 6th-8th grade quote that is a direct bite off my earlier post but at least I stand the possibility of being two grade levels ahead of you. Also if I need to go back and find a few of your misspelled words just let me know. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. As a matter of fact you are the one who came crying to me on a pm about a truce after our first few engagements, so stop before you get ahead of yourself. Here is your pm from that time


-08-2004, 08:55 PM
HookEm
Offical GOP Apologist

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Saginaw
Posts: 3,902
truce?

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I've been an asshole, you've been a dick....let's drop it, and move on.

My apologies are extended. You like to get in and mix it up a bit, so do i.......

I'll be more respectful of your view in the future, if you'll do the same. Fair enuff?
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[Jedi]

All this he said, she said, I'm right you're wrong is interesting and all, but I've got a question:

Since this thread is about the purported memos that were unearthed and how much they proved you were right, what have you got to say about them being faked and planted by the DNC/Kerry campaign?

Or are you going to attack me and completely dodge the issue like you've been doing so far?

[Pro Trash]

All this he said, she said, I'm right you're wrong is interesting and all, but I've got a question:

Since this thread is about the purported memos that were unearthed and how much they proved you were right, what have you got to say about them being faked and planted by the DNC/Kerry campaign?

Or are you going to attack me and completely dodge the issue like you've been doing so far?

Nope if there is even a shred of evidence that they are fake then I can't say I agree with them. I do want to see if the people claiming they are fake on the Presidents payroll though.

[Denny]

You volunteered as a civilian for monetary reasons, I don't expect you to agree with this. You are making money off the war.

Please... don't hate because I make more than a soldier. Ask anyone who really knows me. I would have come over for the same amount I was making in Dallas. Don't pull that crap about "Just making money off the war" with me. Another thing, people join the military in hopes of never having to go to war. I applied knowing exactly where I was going, what I was doing, and unarmed.

Go find another excuse to discredit my opinion... civilian!

[Paladin]

PT, are you ever going to admit or at least acknowledge the memo was a fake?

[Denny]

PT, are you ever going to admit or at least acknowledge the memo was a fake?

Naw, he's been too busy doing a search of the forums for everything under my username...

[Pro Trash]

PT, are you ever going to admit or at least acknowledge the memo was a fake?

I said as soon as I am sure that it is a fraud and the people that as swearing to this is not on his payroll I'll agree with no problem.

[Pro Trash]

Naw, he's been too busy doing a search of the forums for everything under my username...

Nah Denny I am actually testing my kids today and don't need to research your past threads. I know I have read where you said you were there for money and spoke of going to places to make money too. It stands out because I didn't at first know if you were a civilian or a troop and it stood out when you mentioned money. No need to sugar coat you are there for the big pay check I no problem with that, but it is a far cry from what a military member does.

[Pro Trash]

What about your whole outlook on him?

I think he does some things good but I feel he has damaged things at the same time. I don't agree with his abortion policies, economic policies, tax cuts do to long term damage to the economy, his neglect of our countries unemployment dilemma and several others.

[Pro Trash]

Please... don't hate because I make more than a soldier. Ask anyone who really knows me. I would have come over for the same amount I was making in Dallas. Don't pull that crap about "Just making money off the war" with me. Another thing, people join the military in hopes of never having to go to war. I applied knowing exactly where I was going, what I was doing, and unarmed.

Go find another excuse to discredit my opinion... civilian!

Correction soldiers hope their presence deters war, they are not ignorant enough to hope war doesn't occur they would then rely on luck. In todays world, war is not an issue catered to by luck, it is arranged by old men it sheds the blood of young men and women when the old men are to ignorant to come to peaceful resolutions

[Denny]

I said as soon as I am sure that it is a fraud and the people that as swearing to this is not on his payroll I'll agree with no problem.

What about your whole outlook on him?

[Paladin]

I said as soon as I am sure that it is a fraud and the people that as swearing to this is not on his payroll I'll agree with no problem.

OK, fair enough. What if the source is traced back to Kerry's campaign or to the Democrats?

[Pro Trash]

Whatever... I saw "Searching Forums: Username Denny

Anyway, the money is great. I've increased my income by 4 times. And it's not different work than military. I do what a Preventative Medicine group does. Oh wait, you're not out here, so you wouldn't know...

No I am not and for a good reason, I am 50% disabled through the Veterans Administration, you know the fact I am missing an inch of bone and a few tendons out of my right shoulder kind of puts me on the bottom of the list for people being considered for duty. It is hard to stay in Ranger Regiment if you can't jump.

[Pro Trash]

OK, fair enough. What if the source is traced back to Kerry's campaign or to the Democrats?

Then I say they should out the people responsible and see if they violated any campaign laws. The election shouldn't be about mud slinging it should be about character debate. All that is ever seen on this board is Kerry did this or Kerry is that, so I figured what the heck two can play that game. I decided to start posting the same of Bush when it hits the news reels.

[Denny]

Nah Denny I am actually testing my kids today and don't need to research your past threads. I know I have read where you said you were there for money and spoke of going to places to make money too. It stands out because I didn't at first know if you were a civilian or a troop and it stood out when you mentioned money. No need to sugar coat you are there for the big pay check I no problem with that, but it is a far cry from what a military member does.

Whatever... I saw "Searching Forums: Username Denny

Anyway, the money is great. I've increased my income by 4 times. And it's not different work than military. I do what a Preventative Medicine group does. Oh wait, you're not out here, so you wouldn't know...

[Paladin]

I think he does some things good but I feel he has damaged things at the same time. I don't agree with his abortion policies, economic policies, tax cuts do to long term damage to the economy, his neglect of our countries unemployment dilemma and several others.

Everyone who hates Bush keeps referring to the unemployment "dilemna" as some major issue. I saw a story that reported that the unemployemnt rate was just slightly higher right before the '96 election. I also heard an economist talking about a "households reporting employment" indicator that was a more accurate representation of who was working or not and apparently there are about 1.5 million more households reporting employment than 4 years ago. I just wonder if the "lost jobs" in the private sector is taking into account all the small businesses, farmers, contractors, etc. that seem to be flurishing in the housing market explosion of the last 4 years and that a Bush tax cut would help flourish.

The economist who was talking about this claimed to be non-partisan.

[Denny]

No I am not and for a good reason, I am 50% disabled through the Veterans Administration, you know the fact I am missing an inch of bone and a few tendons out of my right shoulder kind of puts me on the bottom of the list for people being considered for duty. It is hard to stay in Ranger Regiment if you can't jump.

Then don't lead the way. There's more going on out here than jumping. 50% is still 1/2 full...

Either way, hurt or not, don't try to discredit me because I'm out here in a different staus. I have to put up with a lot of other crap that a soldier wouldn't have to put up with. Neither is better than the other, but both work well together out here. So go watch your CNN and tell everyone how you USED to do it...

[46Tbird]

but it is a far cry from what a military member does.That's right. He's unarmed.

[Pro Trash]

Then don't lead the way. There's more going on out here than jumping. 50% is still 1/2 full...

Either way, hurt or not, don't try to discredit me because I'm out here in a different staus. I have to put up with a lot of other crap that a soldier wouldn't have to put up with. Neither is better than the other, but both work well together out here. So go watch your CNN and tell everyone how you USED to do it...

Well Denny anytime you want to come home you can, anytime you get tired of it you can. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you or kiss your butt because you actively choose to go to Iraq. You aren't protecting my rights your taking care of yourself, no problem but don't sugar coat it. As for what I used to do, you are correct it doesn't matter but I have no need to endanger others by going over there and risk not performing and becoming a liability instead of an asset.

[Pro Trash]

That's right. He's unarmed.

His choice his wasn't ordered to go, big difference.

[46Tbird]

Neither was anyone in the military...

[Paladin]

Neither was anyone in the military...

Damn, I saw that coming from the first post you made. I have set up a few people and made them look pretty silly, but what you just did to PT was greatness.

[HookEm]

Damn, I saw that coming from the first post you made. I have set up a few people and made them look pretty silly, but what you just did to PT was greatness.


The amount of time's he's been owned today is beginning to rival the % new home ownership has risen under Bush.....

[HookEm]

Whatever... I saw "Searching Forums: Username Denny

Anyway, the money is great. I've increased my income by 4 times. And it's not different work than military. I do what a Preventative Medicine group does. Oh wait, you're not out here, so you wouldn't know...

LMMFAO!!!

PT obviously isn't in this for the sport......massochist, much?

[mopar63]

I am not sure how this thread has came to be about Kerry, read the article then defend it from the Bush camp. Kerry isn't the one who neglected his duty to get out of Vietnam. Bush did.


Oh here we go with the Nana-nana-boo-boo defense.

How the hell can you sleep at night, the documents are FAKE, you know like Kerrys medals.

[Pro Trash]

Lets see -- Protrash thinks :

1. Its bad for a group like the swiftvets to bash Kerry. Even though they have records to back their claim.

2. Its GREAT that moveon.org bashes Bush, and its been PROVEN they have DIRECT TIES to the Democratic Party.

3. Its GREAT that Michael Moore puts out a LIE and claims its a documentary.

4. Its GREAT that The Kerry's have Outsourced over 100,000 jobs to foriegn countries by Hienz Ketchup and then claims Bush is responsible. Hienz Ketchup is a manufacturer!

5. Its GREAT that Kerry LIED to get his purple hearts.

6. Its GREAT that Kerry wants to lead the US Military, even though he believes they DONT NEED BODY ARMOR, They dont need the modern weapons they are using, and they DONT NEED COMBAT PAY. (See how he voted in the senate).

7. Its Great that Kerry Says this week he's for the war, then the next week he's against.

8. Kerry has the "Flipper" theme song devoted to him.

etc...

Any time you want to know my opinion instead of making an ass out of yourself by assuming let me know and we'll have a beer together. I am unsure of your opinions but you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about mine.

[HookEm]

Any time you want to know my opinion instead of making an ass out of yourself by assuming let me know and we'll have a beer together. I am unsure of your opinions but you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about mine.

You're a shining example of "these are my convictions. if you don't like them I have more." For proof, see my sig.

[Pro Trash]

You're a shining example of "these are my convictions. if you don't like them I have more." For proof, see my sig.

Hook em you are not worth the time it took to write this sentence. I hope if I am ever so unlucky as to meet you I know who you are so I can point and laugh.

[Denny]

I'm not asking for sympathy or respect from you. I just find it funny that you can't stand the fact that I, a civilian, am out here, supporting the troops and making a lot of money, while you sit there at home, commentating the war from the sofa of your living room and tell me how my opinion of this whole ordeal doesn't count because I'm not a soldier.

Ya, it's probably a good thing you're not out here. You'd have more to look out for than most of the people.

[GT40MkI]

all I'm sayin is thank goodness this guys vote isn't going to count... :D


I'm just sayin...

[Denny]

all I'm sayin is thank goodness this guys vote isn't going to count... :D


I'm just sayin...

BAHAHAHA!!! I heard that!

[GT40MkI]

BAHAHAHA!!! I heard that!
;)

[jyro]

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14805

[jyro]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml

[Dacotua]

CBS News was asked whether the Kerry Camp was behind the FAKE Documents and the Top Producer from CBS said they were not at liberty to answer that question and hung up.

Apparently Kerry is forging documents against Bush now.