Fall cruise - Racers get in here!

[mikeb]

We need to figure out what kind of racing we're going to have.

Since the last cruise was rained out up until 30 minutes after I left :mad: I don't know what we did before.

Lots of ways we can do this, but probably need to pick only a couple. A lot of this depends on how many show up.

I'm going to suggest a bracket race on a normal tree for people like me that can't outrun anyone. I think this would be the biggest group. Maybe everyone in this race could throw in $5 to split between the winner and runner up.

That leaves the big boys.

What do ya'll wanna do? Some obvious groupings that come to mind:

1. Heads up, run whatca brung, no excuses

2. Ford vs. the world (like ford vs. buick)

:confused:

It's ya'lls day. Speak out and let's get the event organized.

Also - anyone know Royce, and whether he'd be willing to come out and shoot the event again?

Could a moderator make this a sticky? :)

[mikeb]

Alright people.

25 views and not one response?

Better hope it's not a heads up event and you are lined up with [andrew,al p, cele3,bsharer] etc :D

[musclestang89]

Bracket racing sounds good to me then :D

and plus the $5 dollars a person is a good idea. I have no problem with that. What about buy back in if you go out the first round? I think they should be allowed. And for the big boys they can do whatever they want to. If they want to bracket race thats cool.

[F8LSVT]

Id rather just run what I brung. :cool:

[turbostang]

I'm down for the bracket race. I'm kinda stuck in the middle with the big boys and bracket racing. To slow for the big boys and to fast for the bracket racing.

I wonder if there will be enough fast cars to make a class of thier own. I'd say index racing for the fast cars like a 6.0 class or a 6.5 class (wherever the majority of the cars favor)

I'd like to see Royce there.. I think he goes by rampageroad on here.

[Beenfetchedlately]

Bracket racing sounds good to me then :D

and plus the $5 dollars a person is a good idea. I have no problem with that. What about buy back in if you go out the first round? I think they should be allowed. And for the big boys they can do whatever they want to. If they want to bracket race thats cool.
I do know that there will be NO buy backs for this event. Theres usually alot of bracket racing at these events and its already gonna be pressed for time. Just hope you dont get put out in the 1st round ;)

Mike

[Beenfetchedlately]

I do know that there will be NO buy backs for this event. Theres usually alot of bracket racing at these events and its already gonna be pressed for time. Just hope you dont get put out in the 1st round ;)

Mike

I will try to get ahold of Royce too...Although, ive called him a few times and he hasnt returned any of my calls. Im wondering if hes busy or mad at me? :(

Mike

[turbostang]

I will try to get ahold of Royce too...Although, ive called him a few times and he hasnt returned any of my calls. Im wondering if hes busy or mad at me? :(

Mike


I just PM'd Royce - hopefully he will show. He does badass video work.

OTOH - There should NOT be any buy backs due to the time constraints like you mentioned..

[NDSP]

We could do it like buick vs ford, except make it teams of dfwstangers. Draw them from a hat, then qualify( 1 maybe 2 qualifying rounds), then race. Or oldtimers vs noobs( lol that wouldn't be fair would it). Anyway, you get the idea. It would kinda be fun. Two teams of dfwstangers. Hell we could even do a random pairing. Or captains that choose teams. We could vote for the captains and they could order their teams however they want ( 1 - 30 or whatever). Then the two team line-em up 1 vs 1 etc.

[turbostang]

We could do it like buick vs ford, except make it teams of dfwstangers. Draw them from a hat, then qualify( 1 maybe 2 qualifying rounds), then race. Or oldtimers vs noobs( lol that wouldn't be fair would it). Anyway, you get the idea. It would kinda be fun. Two teams of dfwstangers. Hell we could even do a random pairing. Or captains that choose teams. We could vote for the captains and they could order their teams however they want ( 1 - 30 or whatever). Then the two team line-em up 1 vs 1 etc.


This is good. Different and Original.

The numbers could even be drawn from a virtual hat here on line...X amount of people pick the number and the person chosen to "moderate" the numbers will show the numbers after the "available" slots have been spoken for.. Make sense?

[NDSP]

Thier could be team names( voted for prior too), you know something more original than red team, blue team.

turbostang, I'm not sure I'm following you.

[turbostang]

Thier could be team names( voted for prior too), you know something more original than red team, blue team.

turbostang, I'm not sure I'm following you.


Say you are the moderator of the teams.... You have a "hat" with 30 numbers in it.

30 people sign up -which everyone sees... when the 30 spots are filled then you pick the numbers in the order of the members that joined the list and disperse the numbers in that order..


Turbostang -
NDSP
Joe Blow

after 30 people sign up - you draw the numbers out of a hat and give them out

Then it could be even's vs' odds or something like that..
I kinda screwed my explanation up earlier :D

[Car-less Chris]

i say bracket racing...and grudge racing..

[Moose Jr]

Have 3 or 4 heads up classes. A heads up, run whatcha brung class for the bad boys. And 2 or 3 heads up index classes run on a pro tree. Maybe a 6.50, 7.00 and 7.50 class. No bracket racing, it's very boring. I guess people could set up their own grudge/money races as well.

[mikeb]

We could do it like buick vs ford, except make it teams of dfwstangers. Draw them from a hat, then qualify( 1 maybe 2 qualifying rounds), then race. Or oldtimers vs noobs( lol that wouldn't be fair would it). Anyway, you get the idea. It would kinda be fun. Two teams of dfwstangers. Hell we could even do a random pairing. Or captains that choose teams. We could vote for the captains and they could order their teams however they want ( 1 - 30 or whatever). Then the two team line-em up 1 vs 1 etc.

I like this idea.

Maybe we could get the two teams started now and get some crap talking going :D

We would need two good crap talking captains to step up and start stirring. Any volunteers/nominations?

We should still have a little money involved to make it interesting.

Only problem I see is if the teams are unbalanced with all the fast cars on one team and the slow cars on the other team.

Maybe do a bracket race for some people and do this team thing as an option for anyone that is interested? This could be the "heads up" component of the cruise.

[NDSP]

That's why I was thinking captains that choose teams. That way they can put the racers in order fastest to slowest the best they can. Random draw could end up with a very one sided afair. I agree about doing this now. Smack talk and getting teams together. We need to nominate and choose captains, and get a list of those who want to race.

[CatDaddy]

1 bracket class (sportsman tree)
1 heads up DOT tire class (Pro Tree)
1 heads up Slicks class(Pro Tree)
No buy backs. No indexes. Numbers drawn from a hat (no time for qualifying)
How's that sound?

[SSMAN]

I like the heads up.........run what you brung. But then.............with my slow ass car.......I just want to toodle down the track a few times. :D

[302_plus_a_few]

One bracket race for anyone that wants to run brackets and a grudge race for everyone else.

Charge an additional fee for the bracket race and the winner gets 75% and 2nd place gets 25%.

That's simple enough.

[mikeb]

Andrew and Stangtamer come to mind as candidates for crap talking captains :)

[NDSP]

I thought of them. Also AL P

[JamesB]

how about just having it like on test and tune night? Thats the way everyone can race as many times as the like and there is no time contraints.

[mikeb]

Yeah, maybe bronco johnny can make an appearance at the cruise.

I wonder what his group would put on their t-shirts :)

[Unseen]

how about just having it like on test and tune night? Thats the way everyone can race as many times as the like and there is no time contraints.

This would be my choice as well.

[Car-less Chris]

i say one bracket class...one heads up class and one grudge class

[CatDaddy]

i say one bracket class...one heads up class and one grudge class
This sounds good to me. Speaking of grudge, you and me need to line em up at this event, payback time is coming for you :D

[Car-less Chris]

hahaha that's right it's been over a year since the ol' smokin 86' put a beat down on ya...no prob sonic..also check pm's!!

[Phoenix383]

Id say one quick 8-16 depending on the number of cars willing to run heads up say 10 - 20 bucks to enter winner takes cash pot.

One Bracket class and all esle is fun and grudge. You could make a list of peeps going to grudge but have them come up and sing up for that when they actually show. Don't get a list on here and have several peeps not be able to make it.

[cele3]

DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!!!! I think I'll be out of town that weekend! SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob.

[F8LSVT]

I like the idea of teams and maybe considering changing it to a T&T night so we can run as long as we like.

[fast86gn]

My .02's


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[BLK306]

We could do it like buick vs ford, except make it teams of dfwstangers. Draw them from a hat, then qualify( 1 maybe 2 qualifying rounds), then race. Or oldtimers vs noobs( lol that wouldn't be fair would it). Anyway, you get the idea. It would kinda be fun. Two teams of dfwstangers. Hell we could even do a random pairing. Or captains that choose teams. We could vote for the captains and they could order their teams however they want ( 1 - 30 or whatever). Then the two team line-em up 1 vs 1 etc.

This sounds like a lot of fun. I would like to do this. Something different.

[Mosephus]

how about just having it like on test and tune night? Thats the way everyone can race as many times as the like and there is no time contraints.

How about T&T for the first part of the day for those who would like to just make a few passes, and for the second part of the day a competition style race(Braket, grudge, or whatever ya'll decide on)?

[Andrew]

How about T&T for the first part of the day for those who would like to just make a few passes, and for the second part of the day a competition style race(Braket, grudge, or whatever ya'll decide on)?

What about a ford vs. buick sort of race... maybe eastside vs. westside? That way we could test and tune for the first portion of the day, then people would be
matched up against someone who is of comparable speed for the eliminations?

[turbostang]

What about a ford vs. buick sort of race... maybe eastside vs. westside? That way we could test and tune for the first portion of the day, then people would be
matched up against someone who is of comparable speed for the eliminations?


This sounds good too..

[mikeb]

What about a ford vs. buick sort of race... maybe eastside vs. westside? That way we could test and tune for the first portion of the day, then people would be
matched up against someone who is of comparable speed for the eliminations?

I liked NDSP's team idea and this one is also a good one. The things that worry me about these deals are A) How much trouble is it for the track to set up the computers for this kind of race in a short amount of time?, and B) the messy part of getting the cars physically organized, assigned to teams, and staged appropriately in a short amount of time between T&T and actual racing. My guess is that there will be a good turnout and it could be chaotic trying to get everyone where they need to be.

How do they handle all of this in noble?

[Mosephus]

That sounds pretty good.

[slowpony]

I vote just a T & T day. If you want to run somebody just line up with them in the lanes, if not just run whoever. Personally I hate bracket racing, everytime i race I am trying for a new best not to run the same time as i did last time. Plus if I go out 1st round I would hate to have to wait another hour to run again while i watch cars run "consistent" 9.20s.

[fast86gn]

I vote just a T & T day. If you want to run somebody just line up with them in the lanes, if not just run whoever. Personally I hate bracket racing, everytime i race I am trying for a new best not to run the same time as i did last time. Plus if I go out 1st round I would hate to have to wait another hour to run again while i watch cars run "consistent" 9.20s.


Then why not run a index? I had mentioned this earlier because no one wanted to bracket race. It was shot down because someone said that a car running 8.80's couldn't beat someone running a 8.50 and that is BS! I've seen the slower car win many times and it is done at the tree!

You can make the Index's at half second intervals example 7.0 -7.50, 7.51 - 8.0 etc. and if your a 7.90 car and don't want to run a car that is a 7.50 then slow and run the 8.0 index your then at the top of the index. This would make for some great racing and it's all heads up at the tree.

You could number the index classes say 1 thru 5 Let the guys run there time trials and decide what class they want to run in and I'm sure most will already know what there car will run without the T&T's

Maybe class 5 9.0 - 9.5 class 4 8.50 - 8.99 class 3 8.0 - 8.49 class 2 7.50 - 7.99 class 1 7.0 - 7.49. You get the idea you make them anything you want.

This would also make it easy for the track people, they wouldn't have to keep up with all of the time trials trying to line everyone up.

And guys I'm not trying to take over your event but this seems to make the most sense for the most competive racing. I know I would much rather run against a car that had about the same ET as my car, it's no fun running against a car that is way faster or way slower.

.02

[fordracing19]

What about a ford vs. buick sort of race... maybe eastside vs. westside? That way we could test and tune for the first portion of the day, then people would be
matched up against someone who is of comparable speed for the eliminations?



Im far north side though.

[Andrew]

Im far north side though.

I'm near north side so I wouldn't fit in either... we can figure out something though!

[JamesB]

I am right in the middle, maybe we need a north side. :)

[Beenfetchedlately]

Have 3 or 4 heads up classes. A heads up, run whatcha brung class for the bad boys. And 2 or 3 heads up index classes run on a pro tree. Maybe a 6.50, 7.00 and 7.50 class. No bracket racing, it's very boring. I guess people could set up their own grudge/money races as well.

I agree with that...Thats how we did at the last Spring Break shootout. Index racing heads up on a sportsman tree.

Faster than the bracket and you lost the race!

Mike

[bobs94formula]

I've never indexed raced before, but it sounds like fun. Even adding the team element to the index racing would be a lot of fun!!

Bob

[Futurama]

if there isnt a heads up class for the 8second and slower cars, which is the vast majority of this site, then this event will not be as much fun as it could be, i will not bother to come if there isnt a heads up class for the slower cars, im not saying we should have a shit load of heads up classes, but we shouldnt line up say sneaky with his high 8second ride, against andrew throwing down some 5's. i say one all motor class and one power adder class. or one street tire class and one slicks class.

personally i think test N tune would be the way to go, with grudge matches thrown in for the excitement.
but the point is to keep this event friendly to guys with the slower cars as well as the fast ones, and many of us dont want to bracket for whatever reason(5spd car, not consistent, dont want to come out and pay and only get one run in) just please dont count us slow folks out ok guys???

[mikeb]

OK, let me summarize what i've seen here.

No one wants a bracket race, so scratch that.

In addition to T&T & grudge that leaves pure heads up, an index race, or a team race.

Pure heads up removes the fun element (which this event is all about) from all but the fastest people.

Index race might work but it seems that there will have to be a lot of index levels to allow everyone to compete with some chance of being competitive.

People seem to like the team approach. Easiest way is probably to pick two team captains at the track and then have a draft right there on the spot. After the draft give each team a chance to "steal" 3 members from the other team; stolen members cannot be traded back. Cars would be run in the order fastest to slowest.

Anyone got any other ideas?

[Moose Jr]

I agree with that...Thats how we did at the last Spring Break shootout. Index racing heads up on a sportsman tree.

Faster than the bracket and you lost the race!

Mike

I'd like to see a pro tree though. Less chance of getting a redlight!

[musclestang89]

I'm cool with anything, just need to know what time to be at the track and I wil be there. :D

[BLK306]

OK, let me summarize what i've seen here.

No one wants a bracket race, so scratch that.

In addition to T&T & grudge that leaves pure heads up, an index race, or a team race.

Pure heads up removes the fun element (which this event is all about) from all but the fastest people.

Index race might work but it seems that there will have to be a lot of index levels to allow everyone to compete with some chance of being competitive.

People seem to like the team approach. Easiest way is probably to pick two team captains at the track and then have a draft right there on the spot. After the draft give each team a chance to "steal" 3 members from the other team; stolen members cannot be traded back. Cars would be run in the order fastest to slowest.

Anyone got any other ideas?

I agree with mike here on this. The only thing that I thing that I think would be better would be to have the teams picked before the race just so everyone can hype it up and start all the trash talking between teams. On the other hand I know that can be difficult due to the fact that every one that signs up may not show up. Maybe there can be a rough draft sort of team selection prior to the race and then once everyone gets there people can be moved around as needed. The stealing 3 players seems kind of like a cool twist to think about too.

[Futurama]

OK, let me summarize what i've seen here.

No one wants a bracket race, so scratch that.

In addition to T&T & grudge that leaves pure heads up, an index race, or a team race.

Pure heads up removes the fun element (which this event is all about) from all but the fastest people.

Index race might work but it seems that there will have to be a lot of index levels to allow everyone to compete with some chance of being competitive.

People seem to like the team approach. Easiest way is probably to pick two team captains at the track and then have a draft right there on the spot. After the draft give each team a chance to "steal" 3 members from the other team; stolen members cannot be traded back. Cars would be run in the order fastest to slowest.

Anyone got any other ideas? as long as it isnt bracket im good for anything, lol the team thing sounds cool but i wouldnt get picked cuz im slow:( lol maybe a class for the stock motor club lol.

[fast86gn]

as long as it isnt bracket im good for anything, lol the team thing sounds cool but i wouldnt get picked cuz im slow:( lol maybe a class for the stock motor club lol.


I like the team idea as well with having team captains and stealing from the other team. :eek:

Slo95.0 it doesn't matter how slow you are you should be against a car similar to yours in the finals.

Better yet just be a Team Captain, then it won't matter!

But any how count me in put me on you list I'll be there.

86GN
7.54 @87mph best 1/8

[turbostang]

I like the team idea as well with having team captains and stealing from the other team. :eek:

Slo95.0 it doesn't matter how slow you are you should be against a car similar to yours in the finals.

Better yet just be a Team Captain, then it won't matter!

But any how count me in put me on you list I'll be there.

86GN
7.54 @87mph best 1/8

I'm down with this too..

[mikeb]

as long as it isnt bracket im good for anything, lol the team thing sounds cool but i wouldnt get picked cuz im slow:( lol maybe a class for the stock motor club lol.

Everyone gets picked but some may get picked earlier than others. There is actually quite a bit of strategy involved in picking........ :)

The wild card is that it will be impossible for the team captains to know what everyone runs. Also, I would suggest that the team captains cannot ask what someone runs prior to picking them. As members get picked they can then assist the captain with futher choices.

The reason for running the cars fastest to slowest is to ensure true racing which is what everyone wants. Otherwise, a team could run it's 5 slowest cars first (assuming that the other team will run it's 5 fastest cars) and then proceed to take the event by running their fastest to slowest cars.

[musclestang89]

I'm down with this too..



Brooks are you going to have yours running by then with the carb?

[BLK306]

Why don't we just settle this with a vote?

So far it looks like bracket racing is out as mentioned earlier. So lets post a poll with the top three choices, being team, index, or test n tune. Set a deadline for when all votes must be in and which ever one has the most votes is the format we can go with. This should eliminate this big ol' pissing contest we are getting into right now with wich format should be ran and why. So what do ya'll say? Can someone start the poll either in this thread or another?

[mikeb]

It's not really a pissing match just a discussion with a lot of good ideas. I'm also sure there will be T&T time regardless of whether an index or a team race occurs. Right now I see it as being down to either an index race or a team race based on the responses. We're still a ways away from the date so i'm not going to post up a poll just yet.