Swift Boat Vets

[mardyn]

Since these guys apparently have the nads to stand up and tell the truth about Kerry (which my own Republican party can't seem to adequately accomplish in this PC enviornment in which the election is taking place), I've just made a monetary contribution to their cause... somehow, I figure this money will go futher toward keeping Kerry out of office than the money I sent to the Bush campaign...

Here's the link if anyone else would like to send a few bucks their way:
https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets

Go Bush!

mardyn

[exlude]

It still amazes me that either side chooses military record as grounds for argument...

[exlude]

No, I understand why it's a valid topic in the running for presidency.

I mean, neither side has a crystal clear, nor perfect record. I would figure both sides would want to skip over this issue.

[exlude]

Regardless of what party they are vouching for, I see vested on the swift boat side interested when Kerry was a war protestor.

I don't think the GOP paid for vets to speak against Kerry, but I think these vets would be just against Bush had he protested their war.

[mikeb]

Bottom line is a couple of hundred of these guys are standing up and speaking their peice. You don't hear even one vet standing up and speaking against Bush.

I believe that this fact is beginning to make impressions on people who may be on the fence. I think Kerry is now somewhat mired in the swift boat issue.

[Pro Trash]

Only one side is making a run on that service. One side said here's all of my records. The other side said here are 9 pages.

The sad truth is if Kerry hadn't made his service such a focal point of his campaign, these vets probably wouldn't have stood up to tell their tale. But then again, who knows?

Bottom line is a couple of hundred of these guys are standing up and speaking their peice. You don't hear even one vet standing up and speaking against Bush. The one on the Kerry commercial says he is voting Kerry, but doesn't speak ill of Bush. He thinks Kerry can do better, but that is the extent of it.

That in and of itself should speak volumes about the calibers of the men in question. There's just no way you can convince me that the evil republicans have bought literally hundreds of vets to speak against a man.

Thats just not gonna happen, regardless of political affiliation, when you are dealing with men of honor. http://www.webhostingtalk.com/images/smilies/patriot.gif

That is because Bush's military background is a political train wreck. Dad got him out of Vietnam, I could care less and feel no need to go into the whole awol not awol issue, it matters not. He actively sought out duty to keep him stateside out of harms way. He was a coward plain and simple, today he shows his bravery in rhetoric and his actions are sending others to die due to his administrations piss poor strategies. Will Kerry do any better? Nope, but Bush is all ate up too.

[Pro Trash]

Bottom line is a couple of hundred of these guys are standing up and speaking their peice. You don't hear even one vet standing up and speaking against Bush. The one on the Kerry commercial says he is voting Kerry, but doesn't speak ill of Bush. He thinks Kerry can do better, but that is the extent of it.



What is there to say about Bush he didn't do shit, he sat on the couch he wasn't even third string. He was assigned to an Aircraft that was being phased out and had zero chance at being deployed. Also he was a drunk so I am sure he wasn't worried about staggering into Washington to raise a fuss. Face it, he is a business man who came to be Pesident because his father has the same name. He won the electoral college by winning Florida with less than 600 votes. He was 500,000 votes behind Gore in the popular vote nation wide. That means 500,000 more people voted for someone else last election and he made it because we still use a system created over 150 years ago. It works great for a 2 party system but will not do so if we ever have a 3 party system.

[mardyn]

What really amazes me is that the demos would put this worm up for election.... what's even more amazing is that at least half of the American public is so gullible, and hates Bush with such a passion, they they will vote for a worm like Kerry...

I really appreciate the SBVs efforts to bring the truth about Kerry to the fore-front of the campaign... they're willingness to stand up for our country and bring out the real facts about Kerry should have every potential voter democrat or Republican reconsidering who will lead this country for the next four years.... someone with Integrity, or a traitorous liar, who can't take a firm stand on any issue and cannot be trusted not to hand over control of our Country to the UN...

mardyn

[shrp88lx's]

That is because Bush's military background is a political train wreck. Dad got him out of Vietnam, I could care less and feel no need to go into the whole awol not awol issue, it matters not. He actively sought out duty to keep him stateside out of harms way. He was a coward plain and simple, today he shows his bravery in rhetoric and his actions are sending others to die due to his administrations piss poor strategies. Will Kerry do any better? Nope, but Bush is all ate up too. Travis your hatred for Bush overrides the truth in your mind.

[line-em-up]

Damnit! I mispelled piece. :mad:



Only time will tell. Now the new ad is out. Seen it yet?

If it makes you feel any better, you also misspelled "misspelled" :)

Don't worry. That is one of the most misspelled words.

[HookEm]

That is because Bush's military background is a political train wreck. Dad got him out of Vietnam, I could care less and feel no need to go into the whole awol not awol issue, it matters not. He actively sought out duty to keep him stateside out of harms way. He was a coward plain and simple, today he shows his bravery in rhetoric and his actions are sending others to die due to his administrations piss poor strategies. Will Kerry do any better? Nope, but Bush is all ate up too.


Kerry tried to get out of going to nam too, by applying for an exchange program, but he was denied.
IOW, KErry was too stupid to pull any strings.

He lied about his decorations, he is an admitted war criminal, and you still cant keep his nuts off your chin.
fucking pathetic.

Kerry invented injuries to get him out of his service, also called malingering...yet another UCMJ violation......and yet, you're ok with this.

stop trying to make it out as if you have a problem with bush's record, and like kerry's, because it doesnt hold water.

you hate bush, because youre a democrap, plain and simple.

[line-em-up]

Kerry "The lying, forging, flip-flopping, turncoat" for president...


http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips28.html

Bush "The draft dodging, get daddy to help me get into the national guard so I don't have to go to Vietnam, then go AWOL, coke head, drunk, rich kid who would fuck the whole US of A to help my butt fuckin oil buddies make more money." for President.

Now, that sounds like a much better slogan for "W".

[line-em-up]

I think maybe, just maybe, you're reaching with that one. Just a tad bit.

But, given the circumstances surrounding your boy, it's understandable for you to fall back to the standard, business as usual practice, of manufacturing hyperbole in hopes of distracting from the real issue.


Beisdes you are saying that a college kid got drunk and did cocaine. Damn, wonder how many kids you could find on *insert campus here*that would fit that bill? Draft dodger? Aren't there records saying he served? Come on, Bill. As for the rest, prove it. Everything said about your boy has been proven and admitted to by his camp.



Carry on with your subterfuge.

For you to call Kerry "my boy" assumes that I am backing him. You know what happens when you ASS U ME. I don't care for Kerry either. I just hold just more contempt for Bush. I'm not sure Kerry is any better. Since you came up with such a nice slogan for Kerry, I just wanted to be fair and create one for Bushy boy. Plus, I enjoy poking you with a sharp stick every now and then. ;)

[black01gt]

Bush "The draft dodging, get daddy to help me get into the national guard so I don't have to go to Vietnam, then go AWOL, coke head, drunk, rich kid who would fuck the whole US of A to help my butt fuckin oil buddies make more money." for President.

Now, that sounds like a much better slogan for "W".
Wow!!!!!!! :eek: Say it ain't so! :cool:
only you left out the part about Halliburton slant drilling under Kuwait & Iraq. Oh, I guess that does come under "helping his butt fuckin oil buddies make more money".

[line-em-up]

Wow!!!!!!! :eek: Say it ain't so! :cool:
only you left out the part about Halliburton slant drilling under Kuwait & Iraq. Oh, I guess that does come under "helping his butt fuckin oil buddies make more money".

Hey! Don't put words in my mouth. LOL :D

[black01gt]

Hey! Don't put words in my mouth. LOL :DDon't need to.

[line-em-up]

Prove it. You know you're talking out your ass again.

You know there no way to prove any of the shit talking done on here. Even if he had video tape and documentation, opponents would still disregard it as being lies and fabrications.

[line-em-up]

No sir. Most everytime I or any other conservative post something, we will generally have a link to corroborate it. Now if you look at the average lib post, it will very rarely have something accompanying it to validate it. See above post for example.

Riiiiight :rolleyes:

[line-em-up]

Now you're the one talking out your ass.

Go back and look at anything I, or Jyro, or anyone else throws up before you start popping off.

:rolleyes: back at ya

Link!? According to some of the right wingers, the media isn't to be trusted because it is run by Liberals. If that's the case, then any link ANYBODY posts is not to be believed because, after all, the web is part of the media. Any joe blow can get post whatever they want, true or not. So what other "evidence" do you have?

[jyro]

1. Kerry won't release all his military records---- "Kerry can remove all doubt about his service by signing a U.S. government document referred to as Standard Form 180 -- this in effect is a limited power attorney that grants to third parties, including news organizations and individuals, the right to receive 100 percent of his military and medical records that are available to Mr. Kerry himself."
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

2. As historian Douglas Brinkley explains on pages 188 and 189 of Kerry's authorized HarperCollins biography, Tour of Duty], Kerry and his crew set out from Cat Lo, South Vietnam in Swift Boat PCF-44 in high spirits in mid-December, 1968. As Brinkley writes, Kerry "who had just turned twenty-five, on December 11, 1968 — was a fine leader of his men." At about that time, Kerry himself wrote this in his notebook: "A cocky feeling of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at are allowed to be cocky."

Just days earlier, Kerry experienced what he called a "minor skirmish" with the Vietcong on December 2, 1968. The next day, Dr. Louis Letson removed a small sliver of shrapnel from above Kerry's left elbow and covered it with a Band-Aid. On December 4, Kerry applied to Commander Grant Hibbard for a Purple Heart. Hibbard spurned Kerry's request. Hibbard was unimpressed with Kerry's minor wound ("I've seen worse injuries from a rose thorn," he says on page 38 of John O'Neill's and Jerome Corsi's bestseller, Unfit for Command) and persuaded that Kerry injured himself with shrapnel from a grenade he hurled improperly. Somehow, Kerry secured a Purple Heart even though his commander threw him out of his office.
Purple Hearts are usually granted for injuries involving hostile fire. Kerry applied on that basis. Nonetheless, about two weeks later, he tells his own journal that "we hadn't been shot at yet."

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Democrat's conflict of interest

Joseph Sandler, the top outside counsel for the Democratic National Committee, also represents MoveOn.org Voter Fund, another liberal independent group backing the Democratic ticket.

A complaints have been filed against Democrats by the Bush campaign previously alleging that the following have coordinated 527 groups:

Harold Ickes, founder of America Coming Together, and a DNC executive committee member;

Jim Jordan, who was Kerry's campaign manager before forming Thunder Road Group, a media firm that represents America Coming Together and the Media Fund;

Minyon Moore, a member of America Coming Together's executive committee and a Kerry campaign consultant;

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, an officer in another Democratic 527 who was chairman of the Democratic National Convention.

[black01gt]

Prove it. You know you're talking out your ass again.
As OJ Simpson once said...."prove it"!
Why don't you prove I'm wrong? You can start by explaining all of the man-made islands by Halliburton & Bechtel off the coast of Kuwait, with drilling rigs on em for the purpose of horizontal drilling.

[jyro]

As OJ Simpson once said...."prove it"!
Why don't you prove I'm wrong? You can start by explaining all of the man-made islands by Halliburton & Bechtel off the coast of Kuwait, with drilling rigs on em for the purpose of horizontal drilling.

Halliburton runs the platform and provides support.
They don't own the oil in kuwait, slant drilling is used to use one platform to extract oil from many locations around the platform. One platform can function as many.


ABOUT HALLIBURTON:
Founded in 1919, Halliburton is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the oil and gas industries. The Company adds value through the entire lifecycle of oil and gas reservoirs and provides and integrates products and services, starting with exploration and development, moving through production, operations, maintenance, conversion and refining, to infrastructure and abandonment. Halliburton employs more than 100,000 people in over 120 countries working in five major operating groups:

Halliburton's Energy Services Group consists of four business segments:

• Drilling and Formation Evaluation
• Fluids
• Production Optimization
• Landmark and Other Energy Services.

These segments offer a broad array of products and services to upstream oil and gas customers worldwide, ranging from the manufacturing of drill bits and other downhole and completion tools and pressure pumping services to subsea engineering.

The Engineering and Construction Group, known as Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR), is Halliburton's fifth operating segment. It serves the energy industry by designing and building liquefied natural gas plants, refining and processing plants, production facilities and pipelines, both onshore and offshore. KBR's non-energy business meets the engineering and construction needs of governments and civil infrastructure customers. KBR also provides operations and maintenance for a wide variety of facilities.
http://www.halliburton.com/about/index.jsp

[TAMUz06]

What is there to say about Bush he didn't do shit, he sat on the couch he wasn't even third string. He was assigned to an Aircraft that was being phased out and had zero chance at being deployed.


What about the fact that he requested (more than once) to be reassigned to a different aircraft so that he COULD be sent to 'nam when people from his unit were volunteering to go?

[shrp88lx's]

What about the fact that he requested (more than once) to be reassigned to a different aircraft so that he COULD be sent to 'nam when people from his unit were volunteering to go? Dont confuse them with the facts.

[BP]

I can't believe the Dems haven't tried to use the S&L scandal against Bush yet. That and I haven't heard anything mentioned about Harken oil. If you go back far enough the Bush family even helped the Nazis, of course you have to ignore the fact that the rest of the world did to by holding the Olympics there and supporting the German economy.

[jyro]

the Navy released the after- action report written by Kerry
it matches what swiftys say and what Kerry has denied

http://ss1.sbgnet.com/ramgen/point/point_20040913_56k.rm

[mardyn]

Is anyone over here surpised that Kerry's latest version of what happened is significantly different that what really transpired?

Go Swift Boat Vets! Let's keep that worm from embarrassing our country any further...

See ya' at the voting booth in November!

mardyn :D