Convention Protests...

[Paladin]

I watched some of the Democratic Convention, but not enough to know how many protestors there were and what tactics they employed. Does anyone know?

The reason I am asking is because I saw a liberal protest leader who has said one of the many tactics the protestors have in store for NYPD is to knock out windows at businesses several blocks from the convention and have a group of people near the site cause a disturbance so that it will require a large police response. They plan on doing this in many different locations so that indiviual protestors may be able to get into the convention to wreak havoc on the actual convention.

I ask any liberal types: Is this an acceptable tactic to employ during a time when we have terrorists trying to kill us?

If this proves to be true, it will epitomize the difference bnetween liberals and conservatives.

[AL P]

IMO the Secret Service should shoot any trespassers into the convention itself.

One of those idiots could easily be a suicide bomber.

[46Tbird]

We're gonna have some shot up liberals if they do that. And rightfully so.

We have the right to protest PEACEFULLY. The world is jumpy right now. Better to be trigger happy toward a bunch of dipshits than lose important elected representatives.

[Paladin]

We're gonna have some shot up liberals if they do that. And rightfully so.

We have the right to protest PEACEFULLY. The world is jumpy right now. Better to be trigger happy toward a bunch of dipshits than lose important elected representatives.

There have always been people trying to get into the oppositions convention, just this tactic goes way overboard IMO.

[sonic03gt]

one of the many tactics the protestors have in store for NYPD is to knock out windows at businesses several blocks from the convention and have a group of people near the site cause a disturbance so that it will require a large police response.

I'm sure that whatever security is set up will be dedicated and not called out for anything else.

[exlude]

It's never an acceptable tactic of protest, no matter what time we are in. This tactic was either made up by a left-wing nut who would never have the following to pull that off, or a right-wing nut just looking to create a crazy conspiracy.

[The Punisher]

I watched some of the Democratic Convention, but not enough to know how many protestors there were and what tactics they employed. Does anyone know?

The reason I am asking is because I saw a liberal protest leader who has said one of the many tactics the protestors have in store for NYPD is to knock out windows at businesses several blocks from the convention and have a group of people near the site cause a disturbance so that it will require a large police response. They plan on doing this in many different locations so that indiviual protestors may be able to get into the convention to wreak havoc on the actual convention.

I ask any liberal types: Is this an acceptable tactic to employ during a time when we have terrorists trying to kill us?

If this proves to be true, it will epitomize the difference bnetween liberals and conservatives.
It always seems to me Liberals are the most Irate angry people. If they want to change something, get to the voting poles. But enough of the ugly scare tatics

[Toolman]

If the liberals do something that stupid they dont deserve to run the government.. I wish we could work together people are so dumb..

[AL P]

If the liberals do something that stupid they dont deserve to run the government.. I wish we could work together people are so dumb..

These people aren't even liberals really, a lot of them are hardcore socialists, fascists in disguise and anarchists. These people are interesting, they hide behind a liberal agenda but in reality they want to change our entire society. A lot of them are just plain crazy.

You've seen them before, the dude driving around with so much shit stacked in the back seat of his car he can barely see out. The lady who looks like a man with the BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED sticker on the back of his/her/its' 1987 Crown Victoria. It sounds funny but these people exist and they have some crazy, crazy fuckin' ideas and don't mind lying or cheating to promote those ideas.

Just remember Hitler. One day Hitler said to his closest cabinet members "We should kill as many Jews as we can". And the crazy mother fuckers agreed. People like that still exist and these people came from those molds.

[Toolman]

maybe we should hang them..

[OC]

IMO the Secret Service should shoot any trespassers into the convetion itself.

One of those idiots could easily be a suicide bomber.

They will have more than just the Secret Service there, they will also have the FPS Federal Protective Service, as well as quite a few other agencies.

I agree if they want to protest they should do it peacefully, freedom of speech is a right, but trespassing thats another matter.

[mopar63]

IMO the Secret Service should shoot any trespassers into the convetion itself.

One of those idiots could easily be a suicide bomber.

Less votes for the Kerry/Edwards team, Nice. :D

[black01gt]

These people aren't even liberals really, a lot of them are hardcore socialists, fascists in disguise and anarchists. These people are interesting, they hide behind a liberal agenda but in reality they want to change our entire society. A lot of them are just plain crazy.


Just remember Hitler. One day Hitler said to his closest cabinet members "We should kill as many Jews as we can". And the crazy mother fuckers agreed. People like that still exist and these people came from those molds.
Speaking of people coming from molds...let's not be shooting anybody...unless thier wearing a turbin!

[line-em-up]

If the liberals do something that stupid they dont deserve to run the government.. I wish we could work together people are so dumb..

ditto.. Of course, you can't put all democrats in the same "swift" boat.

[black01gt]

Just remember AL P. One day AL P said to his closest cyberbattle members "The secret service should kill as many protesters as they can". And the crazy mother fuckers agreed. People like that still exist and these people came from those molds.
Translated.

[Toolman]

it looks like 400,000 people showed up..

[BP]

it looks like 400,000 people showed up..

They get more than that for the Puerto Rican parades. Seriously, over 3 million people usually show up. Thats a lot of people but for a city the size of NY it's pretty weak. Hell 50k of them were probably just trying to get home from the Jets game, another 50k were waiting for Carson Daley on TRL.

[jyro]

it looks like 400,000 people showed up..

the million man march also?

More than 200,000 demonstrators, according to a police estimate, packed dozens of blocks along Seventh Avenue and snaked down side streets.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45279-2004Aug29.html

[ceyko]

Yup, the suspected plan in the previous post sure sounds like terrorism to me. I did see on cnn.com, they had the flag on the ground with someone standing on it. Given that I can't stand to see that sort of thing, I went elsewhere. Why disgrace the flag because you don't like Bush?

Ceyko

IMO the Secret Service should shoot any trespassers into the convention itself.

One of those idiots could easily be a suicide bomber.

[talisman]

I was just watching this on the news. Apparently many of the protesters put ball bearings in the cardboard tubes holding thier signs up, then would swing them out, crashing though store fronts and windows. One police officer was hit in the face and hospitalized I believe. While I do have to admit to finding their choice of attack ingenious, it is of course unacceptable. There is no cause to cause destruction to others property to promote any political agenda, no matter how right you think you are. Just argue on the internet about it, like civilized people.

[AL P]

Translated.


Dude, you're a fucking moron, it's as simple as that.

[Toolman]

nader is going to win this time..

[Paladin]

I haven't seen the news this morning but apparently the liberal stragetist who I saw interviewed was telling the truth. How ironic that liberals finally tell the truth when it comes to damaging other peoples property and trying to cause chaos.

BTW, I haven't seen a post from a liberal talking about how unruly conservatives got at the Dems convention. Hmmmm, I guess conservatives kept their protest CIVIL, not UNCIVIL.

[talisman]

A liberal stole my blankie!

[AL P]

I haven't seen the news this morning but apparently the liberal stragetist who I saw interviewed was telling the truth. How ironic that liberals finally tell the truth when it comes to damaging other peoples property and trying to cause chaos.

BTW, I haven't seen a post from a liberal talking about how unruly conservatives got at the Dems convention. Hmmmm, I guess conservatives kept their protest CIVIL, not UNCIVIL.

When your ideas are so insane that you have to riot in order to promote them, there might be a problem....

[Paladin]

A liberal stole my blankie!

Damn, that sucks.

[Lumberjack77]

When your ideas are so insane that you have to riot in order to promote them, there might be a problem....

I saw alot of A.N.S.W.E.R. signs yesterday, the official American Communist party group. Hell, Communism only killed 100 million people, LET'S GIVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE! :rolleyes:

[Pro Trash]

IMO the Secret Service should shoot any trespassers into the convention itself.

One of those idiots could easily be a suicide bomber.

Oh yes AL that is a wonderful plan have you been subscribing to the Chinese Public Affairs Monthly again? LOL

[Pro Trash]

I watched some of the Democratic Convention, but not enough to know how many protestors there were and what tactics they employed. Does anyone know?

The reason I am asking is because I saw a liberal protest leader who has said one of the many tactics the protestors have in store for NYPD is to knock out windows at businesses several blocks from the convention and have a group of people near the site cause a disturbance so that it will require a large police response. They plan on doing this in many different locations so that indiviual protestors may be able to get into the convention to wreak havoc on the actual convention.

I ask any liberal types: Is this an acceptable tactic to employ during a time when we have terrorists trying to kill us?

If this proves to be true, it will epitomize the difference bnetween liberals and conservatives.

I think it is a horrible idea and those who violate the law should be arrested for soing such. Don't confuse radical left wingers with Democrats.

[Pro Trash]

maybe we should hang them..

Tool is you family from Russia or something, hang them? Come on arrest them by all means but kill them for their views, sounds like communism to me?

[Pro Trash]

I haven't seen the news this morning but apparently the liberal stragetist who I saw interviewed was telling the truth. How ironic that liberals finally tell the truth when it comes to damaging other peoples property and trying to cause chaos.

BTW, I haven't seen a post from a liberal talking about how unruly conservatives got at the Dems convention. Hmmmm, I guess conservatives kept their protest CIVIL, not UNCIVIL.

Well there are liberals and there are democrats, you might want to identify their differences, i.e. radical/non-radical.

[Jimbo]

I was just watching this on the news. Apparently many of the protesters put ball bearings in the cardboard tubes holding thier signs up, then would swing them out, crashing though store fronts and windows. One police officer was hit in the face and hospitalized I believe. While I do have to admit to finding their choice of attack ingenious, it is of course unacceptable. There is no cause to cause destruction to others property to promote any political agenda, no matter how right you think you are. Just argue on the internet about it, like civilized people.
I saw that as well. Apparently, a group set a float on fire as well. Over 500 protesters have been arrested, and the thing hasn't even kicked off yet. I love the rose colored reports in the paper about the well behaved protestors and those meanie officers.

[HookEm]

I think it is a horrible idea and those who violate the law should be arrested for soing such. Don't confuse radical left wingers with Democrats.


Yea, because the Democratic Party as been a modum for logical thought process, and peaceful protests in the last 4 years.....they were for the war when Clinnochio was in office, but now suddenly agaisnt it...
:rolleyes:

[shrp88lx's]

Yea, because the Democratic Party as been a modum for logical thought process, and peaceful protests in the last 4 years.....they were for the war when Clinnochio was in office, but now suddenly agaisnt it...
:rolleyes:
Well Kerry voted FOR the war BEFORE he voted AGAINST it.!!!!!!

[Paladin]

Well there are liberals and there are democrats, you might want to identify their differences, i.e. radical/non-radical.

Why would I care to separate them? There is very little difference between the two and the line gets even more blurry when you add the hate and hostility most Democrats have.

[line-em-up]

Why would I care to separate them? There is very little difference between the two and the line gets even more blurry when you add the hate and hostility most Democrats have.

That comment shows your inability or refusal to understand something which you don't know enough about. Perhaps it's YOU with the hostility and hate toward people you don't like.

[AL P]

Oh yes AL that is a wonderful plan have you been subscribing to the Chinese Public Affairs Monthly again? LOL

Are you OK, was I a little too harsh for you? Do you need a box of tissue?

[AL P]

Why would I care to separate them? There is very little difference between the two and the line gets even more blurry when you add the hate and hostility most Democrats have.

This is the thing I have noticed lately. The radical liberals are the ones protesting out in the streets about free speech and all the other bullshit, yet anyone with an opinion that doesn't agree with theirs is the target of all sorts of nonsensical tactics. IE, property damage, trespassing into the RNC, setting shit on fire, etc.... The Republicans have this reputation as fascists with all sorts of hidden agendas that can't wait to rule with an iron fist (with these people) but the so called "enlightened" people are the first to act like a bunch of thugs trying to get their way.

I think in the end it shows who is willing to do what in order to advance their ideas. Once again, if your ideas and philospohy are so much better than everyone else's, why would you need to act as a common criminal in order to promote them?

[46Tbird]

Don't confuse radical left wingers with Democrats.
LMFAO!! Sig check.

[Paladin]

That comment shows your inability or refusal to understand something which you don't know enough about. Perhaps it's YOU with the hostility and hate toward people you don't like.

I would bet that I know more about liberals and their hostility than you do. I was one and now that I am a reciovering liberal I have insight a current liberal would never have. I equate it to an alcoholic who isn't able to see all his/her problems stemming from drinking until he/she stops drinking.

Can you say you have cast ballots for both a Democratic and a Republican for President? I can.

[line-em-up]

I would bet that I know more about liberals and their hostility than you do. I was one and now that I am a reciovering liberal I have insight a current liberal would never have. I equate it to an alcoholic who isn't able to see all his/her problems stemming from drinking until he/she stops drinking.

Can you say you have cast ballots for both a Democratic and a Republican for President? I can.

I vote for whomever i think is the best candidate, be it Dem, Rep, or third party. I have no party alliance. I think it is interesting what you say about swithcing over party lines. Not in a sarcastic way, just wondering what happened to make you move.

As far as my previous comment, I hate to lump all Dems or Reps in one big boat. There are a lot of people that don't go out destroying property to make a point. I would define somebody that does as radical, but to say that all dems or reps have hate and hostility is too broad of a brush stroke. That like saying all blacks are ...., or all mexicans are ... , or all rich people are .....

/Forrest Gump.. Thats' all I got to say about that.

[AL P]

I vote for whomever i think is the best candidate, be it Dem, Rep, or third party. I have no party alliance. I think it is interesting what you say about swithcing over party lines. Not in a sarcastic way, just wondering what happened to make you move.

Well there IS that old joke about how a Democrat is just a Republican who hasn't been mugged yet....

[Paladin]

I vote for whomever i think is the best candidate, be it Dem, Rep, or third party. I have no party alliance. I think it is interesting what you say about swithcing over party lines. Not in a sarcastic way, just wondering what happened to make you move.

As far as my previous comment, I hate to lump all Dems or Reps in one big boat. There are a lot of people that don't go out destroying property to make a point. I would define somebody that does as radical, but to say that all dems or reps have hate and hostility is too broad of a brush stroke. That like saying all blacks are ...., or all mexicans are ... , or all rich people are .....

/Forrest Gump.. Thats' all I got to say about that.

Pretty lame to bring a race argument that has no place in the discussion IMO. There is no correlation between a person who chooses to be Dem or Republican with a person who has no choice in their race.

One of the main reasons I switched parties was the hypocrisy of Democrats, as a group, who did not speak out about how wrong it was for Clinton to have lied. The same people would have crucified any conservative who had done the same thing and under the exact same circumstances. I also decided that the silence of the party was complicity in the affair after the fact. They "sold their soul" hoping that they could ride his popular coat tails and win their individual elections by looking away and not passing judgement upon his actions. Actions that would have gotten any other top executive FIRED if they had done the same exact thing.

Yeah, I have my reasons, and having been a person who voted for a liar, a swindler, and a person with no moral character, I will never vote for a Democrat while they harbor liars and people with low morals.

Take a look at who was on the stage during prime time for the Dems and who will be there for our convention. The contrast will be dramatic.

Isn't the "Anyone but Bush" mantra widely used by Democrats evidence enough of hostility and anger? Isn't the "Four more years of Hell" mentality enough? If not, I don't know what is.

[Toolman]

im still voting for kerry..

[The Punisher]

im still voting for kerry..
then your still an koolaid drinker ;)

[Toolman]

koolaide is good to drink and I love playdoh..

[The Punisher]

koolaide is good to drink
hence what makes up a John Kerry supporter ;)

[Toolman]

thats right im a human..

[The Punisher]

thats right im a human..
guys, I dont think he is catching on ;)

[Toolman]

human that isnt very smart..

[AL P]

LOL, check out this CNN story. Wackos are coming out of the woodwork! Let's shut down NYC for a day! Lets eat out of dumpsters!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/27/wired.rabblerousers.ap/index.html

[Toolman]

we did this 4 years in SF and it really messed everything.. it was a bad idea..

[talisman]

we did this 4 years in SF and it really messed everything.. it was a bad idea..


Stop trying to help us halfway minded dirty liberals you goddamned buffoon.

[Pro Trash]

Why would I care to separate them? There is very little difference between the two and the line gets even more blurry when you add the hate and hostility most Democrats have.

I seem to feel the most hateful are the republicans. All you all seem to do on this board is attack Kerry versus explain Bush's strong suites. I guess the philosphy of the DFW Stangs Republican National Convention Center Dallas Fort Worth, Texas is " Vote for Bush he is the lesser of the two evils, just ask the Swift Boat Vets". Seriously I don't attack Bush every chance I get but you all remind me of a 40 year old fat accountant with road rage during friday evening rush hour on 635. I think Bush is a descent guy, I just prefer the democratic party. You all can't say anything nice so it isn't a debate it becomes a name calling contest and that crushes the very idea of sharing ideas and cross examining one another as to facts and details about this Novembers election.

[Pro Trash]

Are you OK, was I a little too harsh for you? Do you need a box of tissue?

LOL I've seen more stuff than you could ever dream AL. I have watched children dig their food out of piles of garbage in Kuwait, children fight with knifes for a sack of flour in Somalia, dead camels and Iraqi's being chewed on by wild dogs in Doha, the aftermath of a man who got both both arms blown off at the elbow while handling explosives in Doha and that was stuff I saw no need to get into my actions. So no I would say you weren't harsh just ignorant to what freedom is and unaware of it's cost if you contend to think that way.

[Toolman]

republicans didnt invent war but we sure start them.. I think mrs dole said that last nite..

[Toolman]

I dont know when it was I caught all the reruns.. didnt get home till 12:00 or so last nite..

[Paladin]

thats right im a human..

What does that have to do with anything?

Let's see, liberals have tried to compare Republicans with Hitler and now the devil. Libs are so classy and they are not hostile or angry little people, nahhhhhh. :rolleyes:

[AL P]

LOL I've seen more stuff than you could ever dream AL. I have watched children dig their food out of piles of garbage in Kuwait, children fight with knifes for a sack of flour in Somalia, dead camels and Iraqi's being chewed on by wild dogs in Doha, the aftermath of a man who got both both arms blown off at the elbow while handling explosives in Doha and that was stuff I saw no need to get into my actions. So no I would say you weren't harsh just ignorant to what freedom is and unaware of it's cost if you contend to think that way.

Yea, it sounds like you have really seen the harsh side of life. Ever lived in East Fort Worth?

Anytime someone says something you don't agree with they are "ignorant about the cost of freedom" or some other such nonsense. Spare me your bullshit. That probably sounds real impressive to the kiddies in the schoolyard but around this place it sets off the bullshit detectors.

[The Punisher]

Yea, it sounds like you have really seen the harsh side of life. Ever lived in East Fort Worth?

Anytime someone says something you don't agree with they are "ignorant about the cost of freedom" or some other such nonsense. Spare me your bullshit. That probably sounds real impressive to the kiddies in the schoolyard but around this place it sets off the bullshit detectors. LOL! Ownage!
:D

[Jester]

we did this 4 years in SF and it really messed everything.. it was a bad idea..
Crack is bad....mmmkay

[Toolman]

I dont do drugs..

[Jester]

I dont do drugs..
Then start, as soon as possible. You don't need to worry about killing brain cells.

[TAMUz06]

LOL I've seen more stuff than you could ever dream AL. I have watched children dig their food out of piles of garbage in Kuwait, children fight with knifes for a sack of flour in Somalia, dead camels and Iraqi's being chewed on by wild dogs in Doha, the aftermath of a man who got both both arms blown off at the elbow while handling explosives in Doha and that was stuff I saw no need to get into my actions. So no I would say you weren't harsh just ignorant to what freedom is and unaware of it's cost if you contend to think that way.



Doha......Qatar? Dead Iraqis in Qatar?

[46Tbird]

I seem to feel the most hateful are the republicans. Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them.

[Jester]

Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them.
Ass spankin

[AL P]

Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them.

As the polling makes it more and more obvious the Kerry can't win you are going to see the lunatic fringes of the lefties get even more active. It's a shame really that the legitimate members of the Dem party won't distance themselves from the total wack jobs. Then again, the wack jobs vote for their candidate so that probably wouldn't be a viable option.

[The Punisher]

Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them. I heard 1200 arrested on fox news this morning
:eek:
But good, 1200 less lunatics on the street

[Toolman]

civil war is almost here..

[46Tbird]

Civil war? What's happening in the world will soon far overshadow faggots getting married and other BS happening here in the US..

Try "Holy War".

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=9&a=&t=&prev=8

*edit*

Damn, it keeps changing. Here's what it was..
Nepalese riot police stand in front of a burning mosque after it was set alight by a rampaging mob in Kathmandu. Thousands of people rampaged through Kathmandu, setting fire to a mosque and Arab targets and ransacking employment agencies after 12 Nepalese hostages were murdered in Iraq (news - web sites).(AFP/Devendra M Singh)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040901/capt.sge.fvy56.010904155949.photo00.default-384x298.jpg

[Paladin]

I seem to feel the most hateful are the republicans. All you all seem to do on this board is attack Kerry versus explain Bush's strong suites. I guess the philosphy of the DFW Stangs Republican National Convention Center Dallas Fort Worth, Texas is " Vote for Bush he is the lesser of the two evils, just ask the Swift Boat Vets". Seriously I don't attack Bush every chance I get but you all remind me of a 40 year old fat accountant with road rage during friday evening rush hour on 635. I think Bush is a descent guy, I just prefer the democratic party. You all can't say anything nice so it isn't a debate it becomes a name calling contest and that crushes the very idea of sharing ideas and cross examining one another as to facts and details about this Novembers election.

Kerry has alot of shortfalls, most of all he seems to be unfit for the office of President.

I have spoken many times of Bush's character, great leadership, his ability to do what is right even if it is not politically "correct", he makes the tough choices about what is right instead of waffling and I could go on.

Just because you ignore all the talk of what we think of Bush doesn't mean it hasn't been written on this site many times.

[AL P]

Civil war? What's happening in the world will soon far overshadow faggots getting married and other BS happening here in the US..

Try "Holy War".

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=9&a=&t=&prev=8

Take a look at the death toll yesterday from the peace loving muslims of the world:

12 nepalese slaughtered like farm animals
16 people suicide bombed in Israel
9 people suicide bombed in a Moscow train station

Today:

8 people killed and a bunch of school kids taken hostage.

I like how the people in Nepal responded though. Those people aren't putting up with bullshit.

[The Punisher]

I seem to feel the most hateful are the republicans.
Thats why the Dems are up in NYC acting like a bunch of criminals at the RNC? I didnt see Reps doing that at the DNC...
Thats why an overwelming majority of adds out there are negative and hatefull about Bush?

I dont know what upside down world your in? but there has been far more negativity and hate twords Bush coming from the Left than hate or anger twords Kerry from the Right..

[mikeb]

The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them.

I believe you are absolutely correct, Danny. To me the dem party seems to be spinning out of control because of some of the more radical people they have hanging around.

I think the dems would have done better this year to run liberman instead of kerry.

[AL P]

I believe you are absolutely correct, Danny. To me the dem party seems to be spinning out of control because of some of the more radical people they have hanging around.

I think the dems would have done better this year to run liberman instead of kerry.

Hell if they would have run Lieberman even I would have been torn as to who was best. By rolling out this asshat Kerry they did nothing but alienate the conservatives who were thinking of jumping ship. Lots of conservatives don't agree with everything Bush does. When it comes down to re-electing Bush or putting in some dumbfuck who thinks the best way to improve the economy is to raise taxes, hell I'll take Bush.

[AL P]

Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them.

We're up to 1700 total now:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/01/convention.protests/index.html

[46Tbird]

We're up to 1700 total now:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/01/convention.protests/index.htmlThey're posting all around us but they're avoiding this thread like the plague!

[AL P]

They're posting all around us but they're avoiding this thread like the plague!

Of course they are.

DEMOCRAT MANTRA:"It's like that because I say it is..."

[Toolman]

I think there are more dumb democrats then republicans.. atleast republicans are more civilized.. These democrats are making it look bad for the rest and they are hurting kerry.. after this I think bush has it won..

[AL P]

I think there are more dumb democrats then republicans.. atleast republicans are more civilized.. These democrats are making it look bad for the rest and they are hurting kerry.. after this I think bush has it won..

Well, one thing is for sure, they aren't HELPING. I'm virtually certain that a freakshow isn't going to convince anyone to change their vote.

[Toolman]

I dont get it at all they are against the war but then they go running crazy in the streets causing trouble for us here.. makes me want to be a republican right now..

[46Tbird]

Me too.

[Sean88gt]

I can see algore now running into the convention with a pipe bomb strapped on!

[Toolman]

if we cant win no one can BOOM..

[Jester]

if we cant win no one can BOOM..
Someone once told me you should have a healthy amount of lead in your diet.....put mouth on gun barrel and let us know how it turns out.

[AL P]

Makes you wonder who the fascists really are, that's for sure.

[Toolman]

how many now in jail..

[line-em-up]

What does that have to do with anything?

Let's see, liberals have tried to compare Republicans with Hitler and now the devil. Libs are so classy and they are not hostile or angry little people, nahhhhhh. :rolleyes:\

"little people", huh. So, who would the superior "BIG" people be? I guess that would have to be the "superior" reps. For someone who tries to paint a broad picture of how angry and hostile the dems are, your true colors seem to shining through. It's not your fault though. You can just blame it on being an ex-liberal since you seem to know how horrible they are. :rolleyes: You should try to shake that "I'm better than you" attitude if you're going to try to live up to the rep's high standards. Oh, wait! On second thought, you'll fit in nicely. :rolleyes:

[mopar63]

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"little people", huh. So, who would the superior "BIG" people be? I guess that would have to be the "superior" reps. For someone who tries to paint a broad picture of how angry and hostile the dems are, your true colors seem to shining through. It's not your fault though. You can just blame it on being an ex-liberal since you seem to know how horrible they are. :rolleyes: You should try to shake that "I'm better than you" attitude if you're going to try to live up to the rep's high standards. Oh, wait! On second thought, you'll fit in nicely. :rolleyes:

Uhhh, We dont have to paint crap. :rolleyes: Turn on the news they are doing a fine job without our help. :rolleyes:

[line-em-up]

Uhhh, We dont have to paint crap. :rolleyes: Turn on the news they are doing a fine job without our help. :rolleyes:

But "they" didn't refer to the dems a "little people". Can you not understand that?

[line-em-up]

You seem to have a "little man" complex. :confused:

LOL. Not really. I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy in his words. He calls a group hostile haters, and then turns around and refers to them as "little people". That tells me he thinks that dems are somehow inferior human beings. Why would he do that if he doesn't somehow feel better than them.

Believe me, I hold many more views of the reps than of the dems. It's the arrogance of many reps that turns me off. I do admire ProTrash for standing up and repeatedly taking all the shit that he catches for his views, which I happens to agree with, but cannot put into words.

[The Punisher]

I do admire ProTrash for standing up and repeatedly taking all the shit that he catches for his views, which I happens to agree with, but cannot put into words.Kinda funny you feel sorry for him taking all the sh*t when he is the one that started talking all the sh*t. What was started with Pro Trash goes way back beyond the few threads you have obviously read.
;)

[line-em-up]

Kinda funny you feel sorry for him taking all the sh*t when he is the one that started talking all the sh*t. What was started with Pro Trash goes way back beyond the few threads you have obviously read.
;)

You may be right. I don't live on here, so I don't keep up with all the talk. I've just been reading for about 2 years. I don't feel sorry for him. He holds his own pretty well.

[The Punisher]

You may be right. I don't live on here, so I don't keep up with all the talk. I've just been reading for about 2 years. I don't feel sorry for him. He holds his own pretty well.
no prob, this forum would be boring without people of the opposite opinions.

[line-em-up]

no prob, this forum would be boring without people of the opposite opinions.

True. Very true. As much I as I hate politics, I seem to gravitate to the political threads because of the interesting conversations.

[black01gt]

no prob, this forum would be boring without people of the opposite opinions.
Ha..we'd hate to see you guys have to resort to insulting each other. :D

[TAMUz06]

That tells me he thinks that dems are somehow inferior human beings.


Very well said, couldn't have summed up my feelings towards them better! Thanks! :)

[Paladin]

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"little people", huh. So, who would the superior "BIG" people be? I guess that would have to be the "superior" reps. For someone who tries to paint a broad picture of how angry and hostile the dems are, your true colors seem to shining through. It's not your fault though. You can just blame it on being an ex-liberal since you seem to know how horrible they are. :rolleyes: You should try to shake that "I'm better than you" attitude if you're going to try to live up to the rep's high standards. Oh, wait! On second thought, you'll fit in nicely. :rolleyes:

I must have hit home with the little people comment, otherwise you would not have taken offense with a comment that didn't hit the mark, huh?

[Toolman]

democrats care more about people but they are still stupid..

[The Punisher]

Ha..we'd hate to see you guys have to resort to insulting each other. :D
I try not to, if I am going to retort, I usually try to do so with facts and not insults
<--- even though sometimes I slip sometimes :D

[Paladin]

democrats care more about people but they are still stupid..

Please explain in detail how Democrats care more about people than Republicans.

[Toolman]

Come on.. things like civil rights.. more social programs they want health care system for everyone.. you know tax people a lot but spend on the social programs.. while republicans tend to lower taxes and let people do everything themself even if it means people dont get health insureance.. thats what democrats care more..

[46Tbird]

Come on.. things like civil rights.. more social programs they want health care system for everyone.. you know tax people a lot but spend on the social programs.. while republicans tend to lower taxes and let people do everything themself even if it means people dont get health insureance.. thats what democrats care more..I'm still trying to figure out how it's the government's responsibility to take care of every person's needs... is it not acceptable to tell someone that they are responsible for themselves?

I happen to think that's what made America great.. and the socialism that has permeated our society is why it isn't so great right now..

[Toolman]

its the governments responcibilty to protect us..

[The Punisher]

Come on.. things like civil rights..
Who was the party to set the slaves free? ;)

[Toolman]

um who..

[The Punisher]

um who..
guess, it was the ones you said that work with the devil

[Toolman]

yes republicans are the devil.. democrats are the devil also..

[Jester]

yes republicans are the devil.. democrats are the devil also..
Dude, do you even listen to yourself? Holy shit, I thought you might be joking at first, but now I am scared to go out on the street when I know that there are people with your intelligence out there.

[Pro Trash]

Yea, it sounds like you have really seen the harsh side of life. Ever lived in East Fort Worth?

Anytime someone says something you don't agree with they are "ignorant about the cost of freedom" or some other such nonsense. Spare me your bullshit. That probably sounds real impressive to the kiddies in the schoolyard but around this place it sets off the bullshit detectors.

Well Al anytime you need proof let me know, I have all my paper work still unlike, Bush and Kerry. I get a check in the mail every month from the VA for disability because while in the Army they cut an inch of bone and 3 tendons out of my right shoulder to fix it. I grew up in a school where we averaged a couple stabbings and shootings every year Roanoke, Virginia. I never finished high school, joined the Army at 17, fought in my first two wars prior to age 20 and have paid for everything to get where I am at so far in life with no help from anyone. So yeah I have had a hard life but it is much more comfortable now. I have been to East Fort Worth and it is no more dangerous than South Oak Cliff, I used to teach there. So anytime you want to anty up let me know, all my shit is in order and I don't set off bullshit detectors. I have busted my ass to get where I am and I don't intend to let others tell me I didn't.

[Pro Trash]

Doha......Qatar? Dead Iraqis in Qatar?

Doha, Kuwait, ever been there? It lies North of Kuwait city and North East of the City of Al Jarhar, Kuwait and the spot of the highway of Death. This where the Marines and 32nd Armored Division US Army tore up the Iraqi's trying to escape North out of Kuwait. The US tanks took positions from a top the Hieghts to the north and rained hell the Iraqi's for quite a few hours. Six lanes of highway that was seven miles long was covered in burned vehicles, bodies and animals, you couldn't even drive down it on the pavement for it took 3 months for everything to be finally cleared off. So get a map and figure it out because you obviously weren't there.

[Pro Trash]

Protestors arrested yesterday at the GOP convention in NYC: just over 1000

Protestors arrested during the entire DNC: three


Stats don't lie, bud. The dems are pissed because their platform is geared towards the lunatic fringe of society, and mainstream America is drifting away from them. Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them.

I have no interest in trying to convert you to be a Democrat. I rather enjoy having someone so closed minded oppose the party I like. The fact you would consider that one party lies and your party does not makes you look naive.

[46Tbird]

Please.

I'm not saying the Republicans don't lie. My statement, "Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them", means that if you can talk them into being honest and sway them from seeking support from the lunatics, I'll consider voting for them.

In short, they should have chosen Lieberman for their candidate.

Oh, by the way.. the Republicans are hardly "my party".

[Pro Trash]

Kerry has alot of shortfalls, most of all he seems to be unfit for the office of President.

I have spoken many times of Bush's character, great leadership, his ability to do what is right even if it is not politically "correct", he makes the tough choices about what is right instead of waffling and I could go on.

Just because you ignore all the talk of what we think of Bush doesn't mean it hasn't been written on this site many times.

I can concur that I feel Bush is strong in character but his leadership has led our nation into a tragic war that is yet to be determined. I think he has made a lot of good choices and quite a few bad choices too. I also feel that his supporters on the national level come on as attack dogs towards anyone who opposes him. They tried to ruin McCain during the 2000 Republican Convention, now they have an all attack on Kerry and have created this dog and pony show that makes him out to be something he is not. I feel either one of these gentlemen can lead this country, I just happen to be a democrat and you're a republican.

[Pro Trash]

Kinda funny you feel sorry for him taking all the sh*t when he is the one that started talking all the sh*t. What was started with Pro Trash goes way back beyond the few threads you have obviously read.
;)

What is humorous about all this is the November election. If Kerry fails to win we just have to suffer through four more years of the same thing we've been dealing with, job decline, long run economy threatened by tax cuts, etc. If Kerry wins you guys are hurting for the four years the Democrats will reboot the system. So we have not as much to loose as do you.

[Pro Trash]

Please.

I'm not saying the Republicans don't lie. My statement, "Talk them into becoming a party that doesn't lie and pander to the deviants and I'll consider voting for them", means that if you can talk them into being honest and sway them from seeking support from the lunatics, I'll consider voting for them.

In short, they should have chosen Lieberman for their candidate.

Oh, by the way.. the Republicans are hardly "my party".

SO you are essentially like the man you hate. When it comes to the Republicans you're not for them but you're not against them either? Can you say Waffle!

[46Tbird]

Bitch fuckin please.

You're telling me you support EVERYTHING Kerry says and does? If not, you just called yourself a 'waffler' since you're a self-proclaimed Democrap.

Don't be wishy-washy in your response! And hope like hell the search function on DFWstangs doesn't make you eat your words..

[TAMUz06]

Doha, Kuwait, ever been there? It lies North of Kuwait city and North East of the City of Al Jarhar, Kuwait and the spot of the highway of Death. This where the Marines and 32nd Armored Division US Army tore up the Iraqi's trying to escape North out of Kuwait. The US tanks took positions from a top the Hieghts to the north and rained hell the Iraqi's for quite a few hours. Six lanes of highway that was seven miles long was covered in burned vehicles, bodies and animals, you couldn't even drive down it on the pavement for it took 3 months for everything to be finally cleared off. So get a map and figure it out because you obviously weren't there.


No no - I've been there, of course I was in the 5th grade back in '91...I've been there twice in the past 7 months. Of course - there's no city called "Doha" in Kuwait, simply a US military camp called "Camp Doha".

[Denny]

Doha, Kuwait, ever been there? It lies North of Kuwait city and North East of the City of Al Jarhar, Kuwait and the spot of the highway of Death. This where the Marines and 32nd Armored Division US Army tore up the Iraqi's trying to escape North out of Kuwait. The US tanks took positions from a top the Hieghts to the north and rained hell the Iraqi's for quite a few hours. Six lanes of highway that was seven miles long was covered in burned vehicles, bodies and animals, you couldn't even drive down it on the pavement for it took 3 months for everything to be finally cleared off. So get a map and figure it out because you obviously weren't there.

I was there less than a month ago. That's where I was left by the First Cav. because they didn't want to take responsibility for a civilian... great group of guys :rolleyes:

[talisman]

I was there less than a month ago. That's where I was left by the First Cav. because they didn't want to take responsibility for a civilian... great group of guys :rolleyes:


Ah shit. Denny, are you local now, or back out there? I heard you might be in the area.

[TAMUz06]

I was there less than a month ago. That's where I was left by the First Cav. because they didn't want to take responsibility for a civilian... great group of guys :rolleyes:


I can't believe you guys don't arm yourselves...every now and then I have to secure a convoy with some KBR guys in it, or DOD contractors....just sitting up in a truck with no weapon, fuck that. You guys have some serious balls to do what you do outside the gate....

[exlude]

Who was the party to set the slaves free? ;)

What's funny about that is, the people who set the slaves free are the same people who are Democrats today. Don't forget the idealogical realignment during the Great Depression.

[Denny]

Kenny, I was back for 10 days, but I'm in the sand again.

Jim, at times it does seem insane, but someone's gotta do it. I feel the same way about some of the soldiers out there. Then again, I feel I'm better off than 90% of the people deployed out here.

[line-em-up]

I must have hit home with the little people comment, otherwise you would not have taken offense with a comment that didn't hit the mark, huh?

You guessed it. Not so much for me personally, but I don't like arrogance. I thought that was an arrogant think to say. No problem, though. You seem like a nice enough guy. We just have different viewpoints on politics.

[46Tbird]

I can't believe you guys don't arm yourselves...They'll throw him out on his ass if he has a weapon in his possession. :(


exlude, please explain how it is the "Democrats of today" that set the slaves free... I'd love to hear about that.

[Paladin]

You guessed it. Not so much for me personally, but I don't like arrogance. I thought that was an arrogant think to say. No problem, though. You seem like a nice enough guy. We just have different viewpoints on politics.

Fair enough. Remove the "little" if it makes the statement better, the point is the same either way.

[Pro Trash]

Bitch fuckin please.

You're telling me you support EVERYTHING Kerry says and does? If not, you just called yourself a 'waffler' since you're a self-proclaimed Democrap.

Don't be wishy-washy in your response! And hope like hell the search function on DFWstangs doesn't make you eat your words..

Calm down and don't hurt yourself, LOL. You stated and I quote "Oh, by the way.. the Republicans are hardly "my party"." You do represent yourself as a Republican, I am a democrat not a democrap use your spell check please. Oh by the way bitch doesn't apply to me either and the majority of men I see on tv using that phrase are playing gay roles, makes one wonder about you. I am democrat do to occupation i.e. teacher and my beliefs as far our country's social welfare system that affects all age groups especially the elderly.

[Pro Trash]

No no - I've been there, of course I was in the 5th grade back in '91...I've been there twice in the past 7 months. Of course - there's no city called "Doha" in Kuwait, simply a US military camp called "Camp Doha".

No actually there is a power plant across the street with a village next to it (1991)on topographical maps listed as Doha in (1991). During 1991 it was listed as such for refugee purposes, I assume now it no longer exists. So I guess we can come easily to the conclusion we should use the city of Al Jahrah in place of Doha when describing the Highway of Death as we refered to it.

[Pro Trash]

Who was the party to set the slaves free? ;)

Who was the party to push for the equality of all men during the Civil Rights movement?

[Pro Trash]

I was there less than a month ago. That's where I was left by the First Cav. because they didn't want to take responsibility for a civilian... great group of guys :rolleyes:

Well Denny I realize this was not favorable for you but those guys aren't over there by choice with a decent paying contract such as yours. They have to worry about just living day to day with the losses they incurr and are responsible for. As a former platoon sergeant from the First Cav I can say I would have wanted to do something for you but my responsibilities and loyalty would lay with in the scope and sequence of my chain of command and duty. Those being follows the Presidents orders, protect my men and fight terrorists. KBR assumes responsiblity for you all, please do not take this as I am saying you should have been left, for I do not know both sides of the story and can not draw a proper conclusion. I can offer you an idea of what goes through the minds of some leaders when presented with such a problem. Everyone appreciates all that americans are doing in the middle east but even you admit your position is more favorable than the common soldier.

[blownragtop]

Who was the party to push for the equality of all men during the Civil Rights movement?

It saddens me to think that an educator (of history no less) is so glaringly ignorant. Might be time to hit the books again teach – before you allow your bias to pollute the pliable minds of the next generation.

The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 (p. 1323) recorded that, in the Senate, only 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as compared to 82% of Republicans (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democratic senators voted against the Act. This includes former KKK member Robert C. Bryd and former Tennessee senator Al Gore, Sr. The Act's primary opposition came from the southern Democrats' 74-day filibuster.

In the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act; 92 of the 103 southern Democrats voted against it. Among Republicans, 80% (138 for, 34 against) voted for it.

[46Tbird]

Calm down and don't hurt yourself, LOL. You stated and I quote "Oh, by the way.. the Republicans are hardly "my party"." You do represent yourself as a Republican, I am a democrat not a democrap use your spell check please. Oh by the way bitch doesn't apply to me either and the majority of men I see on tv using that phrase are playing gay roles, makes one wonder about you. I am democrat do to occupation i.e. teacher and my beliefs as far our country's social welfare system that affects all age groups especially the elderly.No need for me to calm down. Show me a post where I called myself a Republican. If you're looking for my ideology, here it is..

strong military

defend the borders

lower federal taxes

increase state's fiscal responsibility for education

federal education standards set at a high level, with federal dollars paid accordingly to states for performance

fewer federal entitlement programs

balanced budget

defecit reduction

increase state responsibility for social programs

That's why I say I'm "hardly" a Republican. While GWB could improve on a number of these issues, John Kerry is a socialist and believes big government will solve all our social issues. This is BS. Throw in the fact that he would turn control of our military over to the UN, and there is no chance in hell I would ever vote for him.

*edit - inappropriate*

Vote for whoever you want to. Texas is voting Bush. :)

[Denny]

Well Denny I realize this was not favorable for you but those guys aren't over there by choice with a decent paying contract such as yours. They have to worry about just living day to day with the losses they incurr and are responsible for. As a former platoon sergeant from the First Cav I can say I would have wanted to do something for you but my responsibilities and loyalty would lay with in the scope and sequence of my chain of command and duty. Those being follows the Presidents orders, protect my men and fight terrorists. KBR assumes responsiblity for you all, please do not take this as I am saying you should have been left, for I do not know both sides of the story and can not draw a proper conclusion. I can offer you an idea of what goes through the minds of some leaders when presented with such a problem. Everyone appreciates all that americans are doing in the middle east but even you admit your position is more favorable than the common soldier.

I call it derelection of duty! It was a disgraceful move on their part, but I still have faith in our military as a whole. Those guys aren't worth the ground I was pissing on out there. Not you or any other service member, but just those guys in particular.

[mikeb]

strong military

defend the borders

lower federal taxes

increase state's fiscal responsibility for education

federal education standards set at a high level, with federal dollars paid accordingly to states for performance

fewer federal entitlement programs

balanced budget

defecit reduction

increase state responsibility for social programs



Where do I sign? Good stuff.

[Pro Trash]

It saddens me to think that an educator (of history no less) is so glaringly ignorant. Might be time to hit the books again teach – before you allow your bias to pollute the pliable minds of the next generation.

The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 (p. 1323) recorded that, in the Senate, only 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as compared to 82% of Republicans (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democratic senators voted against the Act. This includes former KKK member Robert C. Bryd and former Tennessee senator Al Gore, Sr. The Act's primary opposition came from the southern Democrats' 74-day filibuster.

In the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act; 92 of the 103 southern Democrats voted against it. Among Republicans, 80% (138 for, 34 against) voted for it.


Speaking of ignorance you may want to ask yourself which President led the way for these very civil rights. His name was Kennedy and he was assassinated before that vote took place. He was the man who essentially led our country into the Civil Rights movement as did his predecessor LBJ in continuing the issue. So you will have to forgive me for I am used to speaking to 7th graders in broad general terms. If you understood pedagogy you would know you couldn’t go into that much detail and still teach about the Civil Rights movement as a whole. Do you still believe the Southern Democrats exist, news flash they do not. Also I did not go digging through the interent to find any of this information it is retained in my head.

[Pro Trash]

I call it derelection of duty! It was a disgraceful move on their part, but I still have faith in our military as a whole. Those guys aren't worth the ground I was pissing on out there. Not you or any other service member, but just those guys in particular.

If they left you there it comes from up top. The Commander and Chief is GW and everything that goes on over there is his responsibility. Also you understood the dangers of going as a civilian and the fact your employer is essentially ultimately responsible for your safe guard not the US military. Remember if your not able to shoot move and communicate you become a liability not an asset and those guys just want to make it home alive and when they signed up, their contracts can be extended even if they wish otherwise. You can walk away they cannot.

[Denny]

If they left you there it comes from up top. The Commander and Chief is GW and everything that goes on over there is his responsibility. Also you understood the dangers of going as a civilian and the fact your employer is essentially ultimately responsible for your safe guard not the US military. Remember if your not able to shoot move and communicate you become a liability not an asset and those guys just want to make it home alive and when they signed up, their contracts can be extended even if they wish otherwise. You can walk away they cannot.

It didn't come from the top!!! (I highly doubt you can compare a second lieutenant to the Commander and Chief). I really never made a big deal of it, but I'm sure I won't let someone who wasn't there defend their actions and make it sound like a "serves you right for being over there" kind of thing. Ya, I understand the dangers of being out here and I handle it well, don't question that, but they were practically going to the same place as I was and had room for me. We were in Kuwait, all of us in transit home, not some war zone. They just didn't want to share the bus with a civilian. It's not my fault they're stuck in a contract (if that's your rationale for this), why be bitter towards me?

I really view the military as a whole like this. Actually, I get more military support than from my own company. That was just a rare example of a bunch of kids acting like kids and that's all I look at it as.