War Hero or Anti-War Hero...

[Paladin]

I heard an argument that Kerry is trying to court the people who would like his War Hero status and those who would like his Anti-War Hero status.

Talk about trying to get the best of both worlds!

[black01gt]

He had the guts to go, and therefore he had every right to to come back and speak out against it. I don't know that he's a hero on either account, but he has principals. Vietnam was a wrong war you know. It served no good purpose.

[jyro]

Kerry plays both sides of the fence, he's for AND against about everything.

[Pro Trash]

I fought in Desert Storm and a couple other conflicts while on active duty but can't say I agree with war in general. I do feel those who have never been under fire have a hard time understanding just how tragic this event is from the first person point of view. War is a thing a soldier hopes never happens but pulls their duty to deter it. Children loose parents, siblings loose siblings and parents have to put children in the ground. As for Iraq, I have little love or pride in a war I do not see as prudent. Afghanistan is prudent but is not being fought effectively.

[OC]

I fought in Desert Storm and a couple other conflicts while on active duty but can't say I agree with war in general. I do feel those who have never been under fire have a hard time understanding just how tragic this event is from the first person point of view. War is a thing a soldier hopes never happens but pulls their duty to deter it. Children loose parents, siblings loose siblings and parents have to put children in the ground. As for Iraq, I have little love or pride in a war I do not see as prudent. Afghanistan is prudent but is not being fought effectively.

Which other conflicts?

[black01gt]

As for Iraq, I have little love or pride in a war I do not see as prudent. Afghanistan is prudent but is not being fought effectively.
Atta boy Pro Trash!
That's about it in a nutshell.

[HookEm]

yea, it sucks, but they volunteered for that duty.
They weren't drafted, nor held at gunpoint, nor under any form of duress.
You dont see it as prudent because W agrees with it...but then again, so did HRC, Clinnochio, Daschle, Kerry, and a host of other libs.

I fought in Desert Storm and a couple other conflicts while on active duty but can't say I agree with war in general. I do feel those who have never been under fire have a hard time understanding just how tragic this event is from the first person point of view. War is a thing a soldier hopes never happens but pulls their duty to deter it. Children loose parents, siblings loose siblings and parents have to put children in the ground. As for Iraq, I have little love or pride in a war I do not see as prudent. Afghanistan is prudent but is not being fought effectively.

[Paladin]

I fought in Desert Storm and a couple other conflicts while on active duty but can't say I agree with war in general. I do feel those who have never been under fire have a hard time understanding just how tragic this event is from the first person point of view. War is a thing a soldier hopes never happens but pulls their duty to deter it. Children loose parents, siblings loose siblings and parents have to put children in the ground. As for Iraq, I have little love or pride in a war I do not see as prudent. Afghanistan is prudent but is not being fought effectively.

Would you come back to America and denounce, in a blanket statement, the soldiers fighting there as people who have comnmitted atrocities? Then comfort the enemy by saying how wrong our country was while there are prisoners of war in the hands of that enemy?

If you think that is acceptable, please explain why it is not treason.

[OC]

yea, it sucks, but they volunteered for that duty.
They weren't drafted, nor held at gunpoint, nor under any form of duress.
You dont see it as prudent because W agrees with it...but then again, so did HRC, Clinnochio, Daschle, Kerry, and a host of other libs.

That's true, but isn't it kind of funny that the same people back here in the states who talk about how just this war is won't go see the recruiter? If you REALLY believed in it wouldn't you join up and go serve?

[TAMUz06]

If you REALLY believed in it wouldn't you join up and go serve?


Err...no?

[OC]

Err...no?

Does that person really believe in it then? If you are not willing to give up your own life, then why is it ok to talk about acceptable losses of American Soldiers?

I watch alot of people on this board talk about how Bush is so great and this war is so justified, and they are so patriotic, yet these people don't go visit their recruiter it just sort of amazes me. Before you mention it I know that YOU DID go visit your recruiter.

[The Punisher]

That's true, but isn't it kind of funny that the same people back here in the states who talk about how just this war is won't go see the recruiter? If you REALLY believed in it wouldn't you join up and go serve?
you dont support Bush as president. Are you going to go join the anti war protest at the RNC?

[TAMUz06]

I wasn't speaking for me at all...

What about someone who can't join the military? Someone who is too young, too old, not in physical shape to handle the stresses of combat or combat support? What about the simple fact that the military is not for everyone? I think you can fundamentaly support a government's actions and/or policies without becoming personally involved. I think the rationale in your comment is...well, simply lacking...:)

[The Punisher]

I watch alot of people on this board talk about how Bush is so great and this war is so justified, and they are so patriotic, yet these people don't go visit their recruiter it just sort of amazes me. Before you mention it I know that YOU DID go visit your recruiter.
did you go visit your anti-bush protest team leader before you decided not to support Bush? You know b/c if fully are in support against him you would think you would have joined some anti-Bush group :rolleyes:

[The Punisher]

I think the rational in your comment is...well, simply lacking...:)
exactly ;)

[OC]

did you go visit your anti-bush protest team leader before you decided not to support Bush? You know b/c if fully are in support against him you would think you would have joined some anti-Bush group :rolleyes:

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I actually think that Bush is the better choice over Kerry, as I don't want to see our troops controlled by the UN.

Oh yeah that recruiter said he still hasn't heard from you........oh that's right it's not your "passion" and your fighting the war by paying your taxes :rolleyes:

[HookEm]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I actually think that Bush is the better choice over Kerry, as I don't want to see our troops controlled by the UN.

Oh yeah that recruiter said he still hasn't heard from you........oh that's right it's not your "passion" and your fighting the war by paying your taxes :rolleyes:


That is some stupid fucking "logic."

Unless you enlsit, you can't make a comment about the morality of said war?

:rolleyes:

[The Punisher]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I actually think that Bush is the better choice over Kerry, as I don't want to see our troops controlled by the UN. At last we agree on something

Oh yeah that recruiter said he still hasn't heard from you........oh that's right it's not your "passion" and your fighting the war by paying your taxes :rolleyes:
Hate to burst your bubble, but I already served my country and now I have a wife, and a good job, so I dont feel the need to talk to your buddy recruiter. And trust me, even if I wanted to or felt a need to go see a recruiter, it wouldnt be anybody you know or claim to know ;) Ummkay? So I guess you can contine your unrational argument :rolleyes:

[black01gt]

That is some stupid fucking "logic."

Unless you enlsit, you can't make a comment about the morality of said war?

:rolleyes:One of the biggest differences between the war in Iraq, and the war in Vietnam..........THE DRAFT!

[shrp88lx's]

Does that person really believe in it then? If you are not willing to give up your own life, then why is it ok to talk about acceptable losses of American Soldiers?

I watch alot of people on this board talk about how Bush is so great and this war is so justified, and they are so patriotic, yet these people don't go visit their recruiter it just sort of amazes me. Before you mention it I know that YOU DID go visit your recruiter.
Well yes I would but Im too old, but my 17yr old son wants to join as soon as he graduates and guess what, I will drive him down there!! DAM SKIPPY!!

[WAR MACHINE]

ur never to old for a draft if its called a war time u have to be over 45 to not be picked,and over 35 if it nots a war . and since im 56 and in the ready resv, u might want ot think about what you would do i just got called back in to active duty agian after sitting out the last 8 yrs .i to have a scene of humor about it im starting to feel like the red shirts on a star trek rerun ,and for those of u who dont know they r the ones who always end up getting killed .

[TAMUz06]

ur never to old for a draft if its called a war time u have to be over 45 to not be picked,and over 35 if it nots a war . and since im 56 and in the ready resv, u might want ot think about what you would do i just got called back in to active duty agian after sitting out the last 8 yrs .i to have a scene of humor about it im starting to feel like the red shirts on a star trek rerun ,and for those of u who dont know they r the ones who always end up getting killed .


oh...my...god...

[Jester]

He had the guts to go, and therefore he had every right to to come back and speak out against it. I don't know that he's a hero on either account, but he has principals. Vietnam was a wrong war you know. It served no good purpose.
Must have been a tough 4 months....bwahahaha

[Jester]

ur never to old for a draft if its called a war time u have to be over 45 to not be picked,and over 35 if it nots a war . and since im 56 and in the ready resv, u might want ot think about what you would do i just got called back in to active duty agian after sitting out the last 8 yrs .i to have a scene of humor about it im starting to feel like the red shirts on a star trek rerun ,and for those of u who dont know they r the ones who always end up getting killed .
Dear Lord....help this poor poor man.....

[black01gt]

Must have been a tough 4 months....bwahahaha
Hey I've got an idea. Why don't you go and let em shoot at your tough talkin ass for 4 months! Then someone might give a shit about what you have to say on the subject.

[Jester]

Hey I've got an idea. Why don't you go and let em shoot at your tough talkin ass for 4 months! Then someone might give a shit about what you have to say on the subject.
Allow me to retort. Served 8 years in the Marines. Funny how most of the people who served with Kerry think he is unfit for command.

[black01gt]

Allow me to retort. Served 8 years in the Marines. Funny how most of the people who served with Kerry think he is unfit for command.
Fair enough. Were you ever in a war zone being shot at?

[utdbear]

I can't tell if its me, or if its www.sss.gov, but I could have sworn that the Selective
Service requires you to register if you are between ages 18 and 25, not 18-45. I think its just me.

[utdbear]

Fair enough. Were you ever in a war zone being shot at?

Doesn't matter, his service in the Marines is just as honorable even if he didn't get shot at. He volunteered to serve his country, and if the situation required it, would have done his duty, even if he would have got shot at.

[Jester]

Fair enough. Were you ever in a war zone being shot at?
Right before Sept 11, I was fucking around on base with my fellow jarheads and I was getting my ass kicked at basketball(I'm white) when I saved the ball while ripping my arm out of socket. A gunny put my arm back in and sent me to the doc.....thus endeth my military career. Fortunately, I was so close to getting out, I got honorably discharged instead of on a medical. Anybody who has ever pulled targets in the pits in bootcamp has been in a war zone.

[TAMUz06]

I can't tell if its me, or if its www.sss.gov, but I could have sworn that the Selective
Service requires you to register if you are between ages 18 and 25, not 18-45. I think its just me.

That's for registration, but you can still be drafted till you're 35 (not sure about the 45 thing)

[utdbear]

That's for registration, but you can still be drafted till you're 35 (not sure about the 45 thing)

Here is what I got from the Selective Service:

"If and when the Congress and the President reinstate a military draft, the Selective Service System would conduct a National Draft Lottery to determine the order in which young men would be drafted.

The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20-25 age group are called."

http://www.sss.gov/fslottery.htm

[AL P]

That's for registration, but you can still be drafted till you're 35 (not sure about the 45 thing)

Well I'm only 33. Maybe I should go sign up for club Samarra....

[AL P]

Here is what I got from the Selective Service:

"If and when the Congress and the President reinstate a military draft, the Selective Service System would conduct a National Draft Lottery to determine the order in which young men would be drafted.

The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20-25 age group are called."

http://www.sss.gov/fslottery.htm

Yea, it goes by age. The young uns go first. We'd have to be in a hell of a jam for them to work their way up to 35 year olds.

[TAMUz06]

Well I'm only 33. Maybe I should go sign up for club Samarra....


Come on over - we had a helluva mortar attack this morning, smashing buildings and all kinds of shit - put a piece of shrapnel through a guys throat, severing his carotid artery...sign on up, it's a blast!

[AL P]

Come on over - we had a helluva mortar attack this morning, smashing buildings and all kinds of shit - put a piece of shrapnel through a guys throat, severing his carotid artery...sign on up, it's a blast!

Jesus, did he make it? That's fucked up. I guess the fuckers are improving their aim.

Is August what you thought it would be? I remember you had said that you thought you were going to get your five turban limit this month...

[TAMUz06]

The US Army repealed the limit this season, that's all I can say about our actions around here right now...

Amazingly, the guy survived, he's on his way back to Germany right now - and yeah, safe to say they finally got us zeroed, those bastards were dropping 120's all around our living pad - a bunch of 120's landing withing 50m's of me in rapid succession 'bout made me mess my shorts! :)

[AL P]

The US Army repealed the limit this season, that's all I can say about our actions around here right now...

Amazingly, the guy survived, he's on his way back to Germany right now - and yeah, safe to say they finally got us zeroed, those bastards were dropping 120's all around our living pad - a bunch of 120's landing withing 50m's of me in rapid succession 'bout made me mess my shorts! :)

Cool, happy blasting.

Looks like you guys have some 120mm tubes to find. Or did they find them already?

[TAMUz06]

Cool, happy blasting.

Looks like you guys have some 120mm tubes to find. Or did they find them already?


counter-battery kicks ass :)