View Full Version : Bush isnt so bad
Toolman
08-26-2004, 10:57 AM
After reading this I feel better about bush..
bush ads (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040826/ap_on_el_pr/bush_swift_boat_ads_1)
He has a heart in him somewhere..
The Punisher
08-26-2004, 10:59 AM
why do you feel limiting freedom of speech is good?
trey85stang
08-26-2004, 11:00 AM
Im sure he will be bashed for taking so long as soon as everything is done... if not he will be bashed for funding it in the first place :rolleyes: I love politics :)
Toolman
08-26-2004, 11:37 AM
freedom of speech is good.. but in the hands of smart people..
The Punisher
08-26-2004, 05:15 PM
freedom of speech is good.. but in the hands of smart people..
Im kinda confused, I thought freedom of speech is what makes a major part of this country no matter if your smart, dumb, fat, skinny, white, black, hispanic, or mentally challanged... But I guess your for good ol communism eh?
The timing for this call is actually not too bad. Think about it, the ads have done about as much damage as they can. What else can be accomplished? Nada.
So now you take the lead in banning them with McCain, publicize the hell out of it, and when Kerrys camp comes out with more Bush bashing ads you take them to task by saying look, we got rid of the swift boat ads, step up and do likewise with these.
Now thats politics. ;)
Aren't those ads sponsored by the "soft money" that McCain's reform bill was all about?
mach1
08-27-2004, 12:27 PM
The ad's are not Bush's problem in the first place, then Kerry gets all pissed off and says bush did nothing blah blah if he wants to have a debate on his history then bring it on, what a stupid ass statement to make, bush did nothing about a problem that is not his in the first place then Kerry challanges him to a debate over something he has nothing to do with? Did Kerry ever put down Fah 9/11? Bush 04!
The ad's are not Bush's problem in the first place, then Kerry gets all pissed off and says bush did nothing blah blah if he wants to have a debate on his history then bring it on, what a stupid ass statement to make, bush did nothing about a problem that is not his in the first place then Kerry challanges him to a debate over something he has nothing to do with? Did Kerry ever put down Fah 9/11? Bush 04!
If they are a result of Soft Money then they have alot to do with him. Some say that Soft Money is the reason Bush is the president and not McCain.
mach1
08-27-2004, 12:39 PM
If they are a result of Soft Money then they have alot to do with him. Some say that Soft Money is the reason Bush is the president and not McCain.
As far as I know there is no proof of that so it wasnt a factor in my statement :)
Paladin
08-27-2004, 02:11 PM
Let's see, 527's are funded by soft money, I think most people agree with that. I saw a story that said 87% of all funds going into 527 groups was from the democratic side for ads against Bush.
No wonder the Kerry camp has been all but silent when the nut-cutting decision came up. Bush called his bluff and there is silence.
I love it! Kerry is being asked to take a stand and he won't.
Let's see, 527's are funded by soft money, I think most people agree with that. I saw a story that said 87% of all funds going into 527 groups was from the democratic side for ads against Bush.
No wonder the Kerry camp has been all but silent when the nut-cutting decision came up. Bush called his bluff and there is silence.
I love it! Kerry is being asked to take a stand and he won't.
And now we know the rest of the story...thanks 90Notch
Lumberjack77
08-27-2004, 06:47 PM
McCain-Feingold has too many loopholes, which is why these 527 groups, better known as Political Action Committees can accept unlimited amounts of money from any source and use it on ads as long as they don't specifically say "VOTE KERRY, DON'T VOTE BUSH" or vice versa. These ads are called "issue advocacy ads" where you can say something like "Joe Schmoe approved the dumping of chemicals into the Trinity River. Dump Joe Schmoe Now!" An ad like this is OK because it does not directly endorse or not endorse (for lack of a better term) a particular candidate.
Bush has nothing directly to do with the swift vets, but there are people that are associated with him who have donated money to their cause... They're not administration officials or anything, just some GOP people from Texas.
Here's a list of the top 50 527 groups, and many of them are definitely left leaning, especially the top 2.
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.asp?level=C&cycle=2004
Kerry's hypocrisy is becoming very clear now... He demands that Bush denounce the swift vets, is bullying book stores into keeping "unfit for command" off the shelves, yet has no problem with moveon.org, the 20+ anti-bush books that are on the shelves right now. I also believe that people in the Bush campaign need to call Kerry out on this crap, and they're not. They're just denouncing "527 ads as a whole" because it seems they are afraid of going officially negative. Then Kerry's camp gets mad because he won't denounce the swift vets specifically. What more do these fuckers want? He denounced ALL 527 ads, that includes swift vets.
The timing for this call is actually not too bad. Think about it, the ads have done about as much damage as they can. What else can be accomplished? Nada.
So now you take the lead in banning them with McCain, publicize the hell out of it, and when Kerrys camp comes out with more Bush bashing ads you take them to task by saying look, we got rid of the swift boat ads, step up and do likewise with these.
Now thats politics
I wish that would happen, but I really don't think it will. For whatever reason, Bush does not want to directly call out Kerry about his blatant hypocrisy.
If they are a result of Soft Money then they have alot to do with him. Some say that Soft Money is the reason Bush is the president and not McCain.
Oh, so since someone donated soft money to a PAC that does not like Kerry, Bush MUST be behind it right? :rolleyes: How much since does that make? Mach1 is exactly right. Bush didn't tell these people to do these ads or write the book, yet is being blamed for their actions.
Of course soft money is the reason Bush won. Ideas do not win political elections, money does.
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