View Full Version : Irag is another Vietnam
tphan
08-20-2004, 08:04 AM
...at the early stage.
Last March we had a family gathering and the elderly (all of them was high rank military men served in VN War) were saying that Bush made a mistake by thinking taking over Irag will solve everything, everything will quickly taken care of, they also said Bush had set his country to muddy water...like when US got involved with Vietnam. Being a young guy I challenge their comments about Bush...
But now after seeing all of those old National Guards got shipped over to Irag last night on TV...I think this will be another episode of Vietnam if US dont pull out.
US will never win the war in Irag...not their people. Leave them alone and start worry about the domestic issues.
BLK306
08-20-2004, 08:34 AM
It looks like that could be the case.
The only thing I can really say is I hope they are wrong.
I'm due to go to the sand box around October of next year. Not that I have a problem with going I just hope it does not turn out to be another VietNam.
HookEm
08-20-2004, 08:43 AM
Taking over Iraq????
When did this become part of the plan?
IS there a draft?
IS there a 50/50 chance of dying in combat?
Sorry, but comparing this to Nam is laughable, at best.
This is nothing more than DNC talking point #5,437,567 rehashed.
...at the early stage.
Last March we had a family gathering and the elderly (all of them was high rank military men served in VN War) were saying that Bush made a mistake by thinking taking over Irag will solve everything, everything will quickly taken care of, they also said Bush had set his country to muddy water...like when US got involved with Vietnam. Being a young guy I challenge their comments about Bush...
But now after seeing all of those old National Guards got shipped over to Irag last night on TV...I think this will be another episode of Vietnam if US dont pull out.
US will never win the war in Irag...not their people. Leave them alone and start worry about the domestic issues.
Come on Tan, we lost 58,000 servicemen in Vietnam.....
tphan
08-20-2004, 09:55 AM
At the begining my post said..."early stage"
tphan
08-20-2004, 10:02 AM
US will never lose that much soldiers in any current/future war...with today technology. However, I am comparing Irag war to VN war in a sense of lengthy, painful, worthless war.
How much $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$.00 did US spent already?
talisman
08-20-2004, 10:02 AM
The situation we're entrenching ourselves in is similar. Not in cost of lives, or draft, just the type of war we're trying to fight that isn't winable. Are we doing the right thing? Probably. But it doesn't mean we dont need to mop up as soon as we can and let them run it themselves. I know we're not necessarily at that point yet, I'm just saying when we are...
US will never lose that much soldiers in any current/future war...with today technology. However, I am comparing Irag war to VN war in a sense of lengthy, painful, worthless war.
How much $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$.00 did US spent already?
Ask Jim (TAMUZ06) how many people over there think the war is "worthless". You'll get a little bit different impression if you stop reading what the liberal press in this country spews and talk to someone who has actually been there. Same goes for Denny, ask him too.
Paladin
08-20-2004, 11:01 AM
The comparison to Vietnam has been so overwhelmingly blown away that even the hardest core liberals have left it alone.
Someone has been reading the liberal editorials and not taking a look at reality. Hell, even my brother who thinks Gore won the election doesn't think this is anything like Vietnam.
Until China starts sending troops in to fight us (Nam and Korea) it will never be anything like that war. Iraq didn't have 25 years of practice building tunnels, boobie traps and killing the French either, they had 10 years of rebuilding their army and killing off the rebels.
Now if you said Iraq is another Panama I could believe that. They had an evil dictator that was formerly on the CIA payroll and we had to go to war to oust him and eventually throw him in jail.
Toolman
08-20-2004, 02:00 PM
if we were scared about them possibly someday bombing us.. we should have just took out key parts of the country including sadom and then let them do what they want..
HookEm
08-20-2004, 02:26 PM
if we were scared about them possibly someday bombing us.. we should have just took out key parts of the country including sadom and then let them do what they want..
Toolio, with another astounding post.
You should go for more blandness, and try not to be so direct.......
Try the really vague, general approach next time.
46Tbird
08-20-2004, 02:50 PM
Yep, we shoulda had an assassin put a bullet in Saddam's head and never gone in. THAT would have worked well, I'm sure.
Yeah his sons would have been happy with that outcome, probably would have no repurcussions at all.
breadfan35
08-21-2004, 12:10 AM
I'm still trying to find Irag on my map.http://members.cox.net/bones96/images/smilies/confused.gif
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Lumberjack77
08-21-2004, 02:19 AM
Taking over Iraq????
When did this become part of the plan?
IS there a draft?
IS there a 50/50 chance of dying in combat?
Sorry, but comparing this to Nam is laughable, at best.
This is nothing more than DNC talking point #5,437,567 rehashed.
Thaaaank you! I hate when people try to compare the two wars. They are nothing alike... the Iraqi resistance is nothing like the VC/NVA were... you don't see a bunch of Iraqi militants forming battles lines and actually fighting real battles with our troops.
The only way they attack is through isolated bombings and stuff like that. If this were really like Vietnam, you'd see uprisings in every major city, with Iraqi civilians harboring militants and American troops dying by the thousands. You'd see organized groups of troups led by commanders who report back to a home base, which we're not even close to seeing in Iraq. The major resisitance is limited to a few cities in the country, and even there it's not organized. The media would have people like tphan believe otherwise though.
People who try and compare the two wars should really read up on what Vietnam was like, because they'd realize the two wars are nothing alike.
No, we did not find WMD. Yes, we deposed a ruthless, brutal dictator. Yes, we have spent a shitload of money, but that's war. No nation has ever fought a cheap war.
Sure, it's easy to compare the two wars when you say, "Well it's exactly like Vietnam, except there's no draft, we aren't losing soldiers by the thousands, there is no widespread resistance to US forces, and uh it costs alot of money, plus my relatives say it's just like Vietnam." By then, the only thing the two wars have in common is there they are both wars being fought by America against another nation. At this point you could say Iraq is like WWII, because they're both wars fought by America against another nation. Look at how much sense that makes.
US will never win the war in Irag...not their people. Leave them alone and start worry about the domestic issues.
You can't spell IRAQ and you can't even make a proper sentence. Why even try to make a post like this? I know I don't post much, and I may be acting really harshly, but crap like this pisses me off. This is just like the "OMG BUSH IS BRINGING BACK THE DRAFT" threads that have popped up all over the place. Open your eyes and stop taking what the media feeds you.
Denny
08-30-2004, 12:15 PM
Big difference from Iraq and Viet Nam guys... every last person here volunteered to be here. The people are over here are proud to be doing what they're doing. For some, it might not be the preferred choice, but it's the one they feel is best for their family and nation. How in the holy hell could anyone compare this movement of pride (not counting a few faggot protestors) against a conflict like Viet Nam?!?!
In Viet Nam, troops were just sent out into a jungle with no real plan of attack or stratigic mission and told to shoot the other guy. Here, we had everything planned as perfectly as it gets with very few casualties or fatalities by the end of the war. Most of our losses have come from the occupation afterwards, (something that never was even accomplished in Viet Nam). Actually, I can't think of a more dominating force than the muscle that was flexed in Operation Iraqi Freedom, do you?
Pllllllllllllease man, we've already "won" this one. The only opposition we have is a few cowards firing some mortars and running or someone laying IED's in the road while we're not there. We don't have an enemy, we have a NUISANCE!!!
I will give my next paycheck to the person who thinks they can influence me to leave by posting up some random philosephy about the situation over here, especially one without a coherent thought.
Denny
08-30-2004, 12:50 PM
No, we did not find WMD.
If I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I'd have enough to properly dispose of everything that "wasn't" found!!!
ceyko
08-30-2004, 02:10 PM
Hey Denny,
Victory Base here, how is Al Asad?
I concur 100% with everything you've put forth, but I also need to point out the fact that the news only reports on negative items on a continuous basis.
Additionally, the losses we suffer could be reduced if it were not for our troops using selective targeting. If we practiced complete and total warfare, as in WWII, we could easily take care of 50% of the threats from miles away.
Remember, most of the people we lose are not due to poor soldiering or the enemy being that damned good. It is because they are that damned cowardly.
I will be scared though if they ever become stupid enough to use NBC products. I would not put it past them, they don't seem to mind killing their own or using their own as shields.
Any way, tired and babbled a bit.
Take care,
Ceyko
Michaelb303
08-30-2004, 02:26 PM
Thaaaank you! I hate when people try to compare the two wars. They are nothing alike... the Iraqi resistance is nothing like the VC/NVA were... you don't see a bunch of Iraqi militants forming battles lines and actually fighting real battles with our troops.
Actually i was there in the begining and there were battle lines.
Lumberjack77
08-30-2004, 07:42 PM
Actually i was there in the begining and there were battle lines.
Are there now?
Sgt Beavis
08-30-2004, 11:01 PM
How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even fuckin' spell IRAQ.
Do you even know where it is on a map?
Denny
08-30-2004, 11:06 PM
Hey Denny,
Victory Base here, how is Al Asad?
I was just there 2 days ago! I had to go through BIAP on my way back from R&R. We're a lot less crowded than Victory, which makes it nicer, but the DFAC at Victory is the best I've been to in the country. I've been to six different bases altogether and Victory, by far, has the best of everything... lucky ass.
can we send you anything for the kids you see?
01WhiteCobra
08-30-2004, 11:45 PM
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Dumbass.
Dumbass.
for the christian children, where's the tolerance.
01WhiteCobra
08-31-2004, 12:08 AM
for the christian children, where's the tolerance.
got me there.
Denny
08-31-2004, 06:44 AM
The only time I really see any children is in transit, which isn't very often, if at all. Some of the ground convoys carry hard candy and throw them out to them as they pass by. Other than that, most of the parents keep them at a safe distance from everyone, unless they're armed;)
waggydaddy
08-31-2004, 07:34 AM
bush never said that iraq was the war. he is after terrorists and all that support them. iraq does! he has made decisions that have put a dent in their army. ask yourself this, have you seen any terrorists acts on our homeland since 9/11? no you have not. yes we were not prepared for anything like 9/11 but was clinton? was reagan? was nixon? was carter? was any president prepared for anything like the mongruls that attacked innocent woman and children? in my opinion he is doing a good job but i think a little lax because america is just supposed to enforce and policy the world not rule it. we should make that country and many like it our summer beach getaways, drop a bomb make a huge hole fill it with water and wa la, instant summer retreat!!! enough said!!!!
waggydaddy
08-31-2004, 07:42 AM
i heard the country song this morning 'have you forgotten'. that is what i ask everyone to ask yourselves every morning. can you remember the planes, the buildings, the people, the policeman and fireman? if you can remember those things unfolding the way they did, how can you say what we are doing is wrong in iraq? we have freed there asses over there so they can have a better life and rid them of terrorists and dictatorships and all they want is blood. sad thing is they dont even care about there own blood, they kill more of there own then we do but we get the blame, bullshit!!! im in a bad mood can you tell? :mad:
Michaelb303
08-31-2004, 08:46 AM
I agree with waggydaddy. Just because i was there, and there are a few Iraqies that care but for the most part there friendly on camera, and when the it's gone there throwing rocks. In my opinion the olny reason the Iraqies are nice to begin with is so well buy things from them, give things to them, or so they can spy on our operations. But that is just my opinion from solider who hates that place.
Paladin
08-31-2004, 09:31 AM
I agree with waggydaddy. Just because i was there and there are a few there that care but for the most part there friendly on camera and when the it's gone there throwing rocks. And in my opinion the olny reason there nice to begin wit is so well buy things from them, give things to them or spy on our operations. But that is just my opinion from solider who hates that place.
Can anyone interpret that?
Michaelb303
08-31-2004, 09:52 AM
Fixed
TAMUz06
08-31-2004, 10:44 AM
I was just there 2 days ago! I had to go through BIAP on my way back from R&R. We're a lot less crowded than Victory, which makes it nicer, but the DFAC at Victory is the best I've been to in the country. I've been to six different bases altogether and Victory, by far, has the best of everything... lucky ass.
A few guys from our mortar platoon just returned from Camp Victory, and they had the same things to say, in particular the gigantic main PX as well as the DFAC. I haven't been there, but I've been down to the green zone, and that place is like heaven compared to our little shit-hole in Samarra...
WAR MACHINE
09-01-2004, 01:31 AM
check your books folks we put sadam in power when iran and iraq where at war and he just waited it out the same will happen here but your kids will be fighting the next time ,and one last thing sadam like a few of the other world leaders learn everything the know right here in the usa from collage to army training so you might say he was home grown like the last few leaders we had to do something about
Denny
09-01-2004, 06:53 AM
check your books folks we put sadam in power when iran and iraq where at war and he just waited it out the same will happen here but your kids will be fighting the next time ,and one last thing sadam like a few of the other world leaders learn everything the know right here in the usa from collage to army training so you might say he was home grown like the last few leaders we had to do something about
If that's the case, my little boy will be makin' his daddy proud by shoving his foot off in their asses too! If I'm still around, I'll play a part in that too. Hopefully you're wrong, but either way, the 250,000 military and civilians out here know we're doing the right thing and making this world a better place. I still have yet to here from someone who has been out here first hand to witness what this place was, where it is now, and where it's headed and still say that this is a waste of time.
Brock
09-01-2004, 07:24 AM
Well let me add some light on to this subject. Since 1990 when Iraq first invaded Kuwait we have had some part of military Counter Inteligence over there deep in country keeping an eye on what is going on over there. Granted that Iraq is the size of Texas Keep in mind that you can not watch or listen to everything that goes on over there. Due to the lack of attention and only a handful of Specail Forces over there. Only so much can be done without drawing alot of attention over there. Then in 1997 Iraq decided to kick out the UN inspectors. Then once again the United States HAD reliable information that there were chemical weapons being moved from place to place in Iraq. Then due to your big mistake the US decided to track and see where alot of the major chemical weapons were being moved to. And during a covert operation a Squad of Specail Forces were exposed by a 6 yr old girl and then held captive for 6 wks. (did you ever hear about it) No because the United States didn't want to make a big thing over this and start a war without having all the facts.
I will say this the president will not go to war without all the right elements and intelligence. I supported my president when I was held captive for 6 wks and no was notified and I support him now. No matter what you think we are doing the right thing. Just look at all the missles found under the sand. You will never know everything they find only the things that the goverment dems that you need to know.
Semper Fidelis
Sgt Brock Fischer
United States Marine Corp
Counter Intelligence ( Inactive )
Denny
09-01-2004, 07:31 AM
People like Brock knows I can't speak of certain things going on right now, but hopefully in the future, I can enlighten a lot of you as to how imparative this current operation is. I just wish the media would stop brainwashing most of these simple-minded Americans loike Al Jizera does to the people out here.
WAR MACHINE
09-01-2004, 09:28 PM
i c some of u know a lil history did u know we are still in korea and thats been over 40 yrs stop and look at how thin we have r troops right now , this is one of the reason that there is a the mass movement of troops from so called freindly places ie france and germany and soon from japan. with an extra 150,000 tropps that kerry wants to keep troops here and there as i reminder that we still control the world ,while we let china and north korea and some of the small break out states from the former ussr build and build . the reason chinas not messed with is with a standing army of over 1.5 million and another 5 million that have 2 yrs of service that they are made to take it woul;d be just a matter of marching in with sticks and rocks for them it would take over 25 yrs to stop an army of this size , and dont think they dont want what we have. look at the land that grapped up in the early 80s and 90s they now own over 45 precent of wyoming with more shell from companys then you can count.
Paladin
09-02-2004, 09:04 AM
i c some of u know a lil history did u know we are still in korea and thats been over 40 yrs stop and look at how thin we have r troops right now , this is one of the reason that there is a the mass movement of troops from so called freindly places ie france and germany and soon from japan. with an extra 150,000 tropps that kerry wants to keep troops here and there as i reminder that we still control the world ,while we let china and north korea and some of the small break out states from the former ussr build and build . the reason chinas not messed with is with a standing army of over 1.5 million and another 5 million that have 2 yrs of service that they are made to take it woul;d be just a matter of marching in with sticks and rocks for them it would take over 25 yrs to stop an army of this size , and dont think they dont want what we have. look at the land that grapped up in the early 80s and 90s they now own over 45 precent of wyoming with more shell from companys then you can count.
Please tell me you are writing that poorly on purpose.
WAR MACHINE
09-06-2004, 01:50 AM
sorry didnt notice sitting in this big sand box that spelling was going to be an issue
Denny
09-06-2004, 02:36 AM
sorry didnt notice sitting in this big sand box that spelling was going to be an issue
I'm over here too and it's an issue for me. ;)
TAMUz06
09-06-2004, 02:40 AM
sorry didnt notice sitting in this big sand box that spelling was going to be an issue
Where they have ya?
KJ94GT
09-06-2004, 03:28 AM
You can't spell IRAQ and you can't even make a proper sentence. Why even try to make a post like this?
He's vietnamese. English is not his first language. Can you speak proper Vietnamese? Cut him some slack dude.
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