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Pauls Coatings
08-03-2004, 01:38 AM
Okay, I just sold my 4 x focal 5ws's which were incredible for just 5" subs but now I want to go with a single sub like maybe a JL 8w7. im limited on room but want something that will be awsome. got any suggestions for a bad ass sub.. I have used the old school Orions and they were great but im limited in what I have used in the past so im kinda stepping in unfamiliar territory.. any suggestions would be great and thanks in advance. oh one last thing Im going to have to build an enclosure to fit inside my console on a 1993 lightning so I dont want to go with a 12" or anything like that.. and my mids and highs are Focal 165 w3's.. Paul
92lxstang
08-03-2004, 07:42 AM
Why did you sell the 5's?:( Those sounded damn good for being so small. What are you looking for, just bass or clean sound?
Pauls Coatings
08-03-2004, 04:45 PM
Thanks Ryan, Im kinda looking for something to hit hard but sound great also. I want great sq also which I had with the 5's but im looking for a new project now.. Thanks bud..
gotta love those focal speakers btw. I have a set myself. For the sub depending on how much room I would look at least a 10 in sub. If you can't fit a w7 why not try a w6v2? I love those subs and they are well worth the money. Could also try the focal polykev 11 in sub. I know dyn audio makes a 9 in sub I believe that sounds amazing for sq.
1994SilverGT
08-03-2004, 06:45 PM
doesnt image dynamics make some killer sound quality subs?
doesnt image dynamics make some killer sound quality subs?killer no...good yes.
Pauls Coatings
08-03-2004, 08:03 PM
Okay guys, im a little late but I went ahead and ordered a 8" JL Audio W7 and its going to see around 500 watts at 4 ohm. Im hoping that I made an allright decision because I know nothing about these speakers except what people are saying so wish me luck.. I will know hopefully in a week and it will either be a great setup that I can talk about or I will have it back on ebay lol Let me know what you think about the W7 and if you think I made a mistake.. Thanks alot Nate.. Paul BTW yes I love my Focals man, there the best investment to my stereo system I have ever made :D Im glad you like yours..
Okay guys, im a little late but I went ahead and ordered a 8" JL Audio W7 and its going to see around 500 watts at 4 ohm. Im hoping that I made an allright decision because I know nothing about these speakers except what people are saying so wish me luck.. I will know hopefully in a week and it will either be a great setup that I can talk about or I will have it back on ebay lol Let me know what you think about the W7 and if you think I made a mistake.. Thanks alot Nate.. Paul BTW yes I love my Focals man, there the best investment to my stereo system I have ever made :D Im glad you like yours..
i love the w7 sub for sq and a decent spl...the only think i'm worried about with the 8 is will it go deep enough...let me know though I would love to hear that set up.
dan03mach
08-04-2004, 02:14 AM
I have the focal utopia 165w3's in my truck and they are awsome.. I just want to know where are you going to put a 6.5, 4 3/4 and a 2" tweet in a 93 Lightning.. I had to cut my door and make custom fiberglass pods to fit the sub and mid drivers in the doors..
HARD76cobra
08-04-2004, 02:21 PM
i would go with a 10" punch hx2 they have badass 12 so i think the 10 will be good to.
i would go with a 10" punch hx2 they have badass 12 so i think the 10 will be good to.
personally i would go with a w3 over a punch hx2....and dan's truck does sound pretty crisp with those utopias. they are pretty bright.
dan03mach
08-06-2004, 12:16 AM
personally i would go with a w3 over a punch hx2....and dan's truck does sound pretty crisp with those utopias. they are pretty bright.
Yep just the amps suck balls but I really don't care anymore.. Nathan you know where I stand on the W3v2's I wouldn't have one of those if you gave it to me any more.. I blew up 3 different W3 12's with in a week apart from each other.. They just can't handle anykind of power.. And yes they were in the right kind of box too.. I custom built the box for the Sub.. I had better luck with my 4 8's then any other speaker I had.. Except the 2 10" Image Dynamic DVC's I had now those things sounded great, but again they couldn't handle power very well... But lower air space and great sound..
dan03mach
08-06-2004, 12:24 AM
If you are putting subs in a 93 Lightning I would put like 4 8's behind the seat.. I did it in a 98 ranger and I can pull the seat all the way back and they hit preaty hard too.. It dosn't take up that much space and they sound good.. Plus for 4 8's you would only need a box that is a tat bit over 1.25 cube's.. If you go with 2 tens you most likely would need 1.75 cubes min... and the box would be alot deeper.. Just my .02
If you are putting subs in a 93 Lightning I would put like 4 8's behind the seat.. I did it in a 98 ranger and I can pull the seat all the way back and they hit preaty hard too.. It dosn't take up that much space and they sound good.. Plus for 4 8's you would only need a box that is a tat bit over 1.25 cube's.. If you go with 2 tens you most likely would need 1.75 cubes min... and the box would be alot deeper.. Just my .02
blah blah blah...actually your 8's didn't sound to bad to tell you the truth. And you had way to much power on that w3 you morong lol. No way you needed 800 watts on that thing.
dan03mach
08-06-2004, 12:46 AM
blah blah blah...actually your 8's didn't sound to bad to tell you the truth. And you had way to much power on that w3 you morong lol. No way you needed 800 watts on that thing.
I turned it down I was only pushing around 400 to it at peak..
1994SilverGT
08-06-2004, 01:55 AM
it blew with 400? lol that sucks. id think it could handle 400 watts pretty well...
Craizie
08-06-2004, 03:43 AM
infiniti kappa perfects, they are the cleanest sounding sub their is.
The RMS rating on the W3v2 is 300.
ClockwrkOrangeS4
08-06-2004, 09:26 AM
you will blow a subwoofer faster by underpowering than you will overpowering it
oh, and I like the Infinity Perfect series and run a 12" myself
dan03mach
08-06-2004, 11:57 AM
you will blow a subwoofer faster by underpowering than you will overpowering it
oh, and I like the Infinity Perfect series and run a 12" myself
99% of the time I would agree with you on that one, but there was just something f'd up about those subs.. Maybe it was the ones that I got but they just sucked..
infiniti kappa perfects, they are the cleanest sounding sub their is.
i beg to differ...focal utopia in a bass reflex enclosure...you just don't see them running around to often.
ThreeFingerPete
08-06-2004, 09:20 PM
bullshit.
you will NOT ruin a sub by underpowering it. i can run a w7 on 200w and it would live forever.
you ruin subs by sending them clipped and/or distorted signal.
HARD76cobra
08-06-2004, 11:26 PM
personally i would go with a w3 over a punch hx2....and dan's truck does sound pretty crisp with those utopias. they are pretty bright. your right go with the w3.Yep just the amps suck balls hes right to about 30 mins after bumping it cuts off.if you get an amp get an oldschool punch they hit hard. :eek:
dan03mach
08-06-2004, 11:48 PM
bullshit.
you will NOT ruin a sub by underpowering it. i can run a w7 on 200w and it would live forever.
you ruin subs by sending them clipped and/or distorted signal.
Your right about that, but most people try to push a lower power amp to the max which causes distortion with will cause the speaker to blow.. But if you have a lower watt amp and clean signal there should be no problems... That is why I prefer to go with a larger power amp and turn it down so there won't be that much distortion, and use a good x-over to clean up the signal.. ;)
HARD76cobra
08-06-2004, 11:51 PM
i agree alot of people push amps to the max.......TO LOW THE'LL BLOW
ThreeFingerPete
08-07-2004, 10:08 PM
you would be amazed how many people install this stuff for a living, yet dont know the actual definition of a gain control.
fyi, for those who dont
gain- sensitivity to input voltage to reach full output power.
so if you have a junky line out convertor, your gain will be app 75% up to reach full power.
if you have an 8 volt preout, your gains should be up no more than 15% on most amps.
adam
Jesse_B
08-09-2004, 11:26 PM
go with teh jl w7 or a kicker l7 those 1 make badass subs
jb
ThreeFingerPete
08-10-2004, 12:56 AM
those two subs serve slightly different purposes.
the JL is highly renouned for it's technologically advanced suspension that allows great SPL with excellent SQ,
the L7's sound like someone banging on a trash can, but they can produce tremendous pressure.
adam
Jesse_B
08-10-2004, 01:03 AM
i odnt agree on the banging on a trash can i have both and they both hit had and sound good depending on what music you listen 2 i think those an dthe new rockfords are cool
jb
ClockwrkOrangeS4
08-10-2004, 09:12 AM
bullshit.
you will NOT ruin a sub by underpowering it. i can run a w7 on 200w and it would live forever.
you ruin subs by sending them clipped and/or distorted signal.
so you're telling that if you have two identical subs and one is running on half the power of the other but the gain is adjusted to where it sounds "good" (i.e. generally in tune with the mids/highs) it will last just as long?
I'm not saying that if you have the gains the same and you are running half the power because nobody does that.
ThreeFingerPete
08-11-2004, 10:39 PM
i'm not sure that i understand the question, but yes, if you are running a sub that is rated at 500w/rms, and you put 400w/rms on it with one amp, and 200w/rms with another amp, as long as you keep the amplifier out of clipping and/or distorting they will last equally as long, if not the one running on 200w will last longer, because of less mechanical stress.
adam
ClockwrkOrangeS4
08-12-2004, 10:06 AM
i'm not sure that i understand the question, but yes, if you are running a sub that is rated at 500w/rms, and you put 400w/rms on it with one amp, and 200w/rms with another amp, as long as you keep the amplifier out of clipping and/or distorting they will last equally as long, if not the one running on 200w will last longer, because of less mechanical stress.
adam
What I'm saying is that the one with 200watts going to it will not sound right with the other speakers in the system unless you turn up the gain to compenstate, right? Therefore introducing the distortion that is at fault for blowing your underpowered sub :) Or am I way off? I don't claim to know everything but I did work for Earmark(sales) for a bit and this was the general philosophy in the install bay. By the way, Earmark didn't pay for shit :)
I'm not arguing man, just trying to be clear
ThreeFingerPete
08-12-2004, 07:19 PM
that's the thing, the amplifier gain can only be adjusted until it puts out "full" output, anything above that is incorrect.
so say you have a 3 volt input source, that means you will have 1/2 gain on most amps.
anything above that, will probably cause clipping/distortion. so if that 1/2 gain doesnt get the sound you need, then you should have bought a different amplifier.
adam
ClockwrkOrangeS4
08-13-2004, 12:02 PM
that's the thing, the amplifier gain can only be adjusted until it puts out "full" output, anything above that is incorrect.
so say you have a 3 volt input source, that means you will have 1/2 gain on most amps.
anything above that, will probably cause clipping/distortion. so if that 1/2 gain doesnt get the sound you need, then you should have bought a different amplifier.
adam
so in turn what happens since you aren't sending the sub enough juice you have to adjust the gain to match the volume to the other speakers. Making it distort and consequently fail, because it was being underpowered, right? :)
ThreeFingerPete
08-13-2004, 12:57 PM
but this is the thing. you can't just ADJUST it to make more, that is called doing it wrong, and the last person to touch that gain IS to blame for any equipment failures, when you dont know WTF you are doing.
if you have to "turn up the gain to match the other speakers" and it goes past the point of clean signal, you should go get a different amp, or live with the lower output.
or build a ported box, and get a little more volume.
adam
ClockwrkOrangeS4
08-13-2004, 01:54 PM
but this is the thing. you can't just ADJUST it to make more, that is called doing it wrong, and the last person to touch that gain IS to blame for any equipment failures, when you dont know WTF you are doing.
if you have to "turn up the gain to match the other speakers" and it goes past the point of clean signal, you should go get a different amp, or live with the lower output.
or build a ported box, and get a little more volume.
adam
exactly. so jacking up the amp to make the sub louder will damage it because it is underpowered. Are we not saying the same thing? :p
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