Pat Tillman killed in action

[YoBro]

Pat Tillman that played for the Arizona Cardinals. Gave up his football career to join the US Army Rangers was killed in Afghanistan.

[BYBOTIE]

That sucks.

* Watch your ass Jim*

[Josh]

Rest in Peace Ranger Tillman.

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[BLAKE]

Heard that this morning. :(

I don't know why it would be harder to hear that it was him rather than some other soldier, but it is. Maybe because he gave up money, fame, and everything that goes with it because he wanted to serve. Sad.

[davbrucas]

i have a buddy that is in the same unit in afghanistan. i will try to get some more info on what happened...

[Sean88gt]

That's really a shame. He has my eternal debt and respect. He displayed more courage than 99.9% of any ever to step on a football field. The fact that he was willing to (and unfortunately did) die for his beliefs is what everyone should strive for. Everytime I hear some weakneck chickenshit crybaby bag on the war I feel the overwhelming desire to puke. Courage is giving up your life to protect a way of life. God bless him.

[Da Prez]

dam that sucks...:(

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Sean88gt
The fact that he was willing to (and unfortunately did) die for his beliefs is what everyone should strive for.


You know that's exactly what the radical muslims are doing?

I'm just saying.................

[evil jose]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
You know that's exactly what the radical muslims are doing?

I'm just saying.................

Good point. But again you worded it as "radical" which I would not describe most US Soldiers as and certainly not Pat Tillman.

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by bitter jose
Good point. But again you worded it as "radical" which I would not describe most US Soldiers as and certainly not Pat Tillman.


I'm just saying.............................


Nothing against Pat Tillman

[zachary]

yes its sad, its sad when any soldier is killed, but its even sadder that just because he made millions of dollars and was a pro football player he gets all the credit on the television when im sure there are MULTIPLE stories of soldiers leaving lives behind them after 9/11 to go to war and they fought then died
i HATE how the media puts certain individuals above others its disrepectful period. why dont they NAME the other soldiers who die daily, why dont they at LEAST run theirs names across the screen instead of saying a dozen killed or 8 or 9 killed today
"death of one is a tragedy, death of millions a statistic"
i hate how the media makes soldiers out to be just as dispencable as the tanks and hummers

nothing AGIANST Pat Tillman at all may God rest his soul, but i just wish EVERY soldier got the same kind of respect thats all

[HobieF3]

Originally posted by zachary
yes its sad, its sad when any soldier is killed, but its even sadder that just because he made millions of dollars and was a pro football player he gets all the credit on the television when im sure there are MULTIPLE stories of soldiers leaving lives behind them after 9/11 to go to war and they fought then died
i HATE how the media puts certain individuals above others its disrepectful period. why dont they NAME the other soldiers who die daily, why dont they at LEAST run theirs names across the screen instead of saying a dozen killed or 8 or 9 killed today
"death of one is a tragedy, death of millions a statistic"
i hate how the media makes soldiers out to be just as dispencable as the tanks and hummers

nothing AGIANST Pat Tillman at all may God rest his soul, but i just wish EVERY soldier got the same kind of respect thats all

Motherfuckin' werd

[93coupett]

Originally posted by zachary
yes its sad, its sad when any soldier is killed, but its even sadder that just because he made millions of dollars and was a pro football player he gets all the credit on the television when im sure there are MULTIPLE stories of soldiers leaving lives behind them after 9/11 to go to war and they fought then died
i HATE how the media puts certain individuals above others its disrepectful period. why dont they NAME the other soldiers who die daily, why dont they at LEAST run theirs names across the screen instead of saying a dozen killed or 8 or 9 killed today
"death of one is a tragedy, death of millions a statistic"
i hate how the media makes soldiers out to be just as dispencable as the tanks and hummers

nothing AGIANST Pat Tillman at all may God rest his soul, but i just wish EVERY soldier got the same kind of respect thats all

I agree 100 %. I also want to add that Pat Tillman was braver than all non serving Americans because he went and served for us so we did not have to. However, it is sad that the media has ran this story continuosly throughout the day commending him. Based on what I have heard, Pat wanted to be treated like a 'normal' soldier with no special treatments. Now after his death, he is getting more publicity than ever; even more than when he was a football star. Would he want this? NO.. and he made it quite clear that his military career would not be talked about to reporters. Because he was a pro NFL player, does that make him better than anyone of us or better than any other soldier that was fighting next to him? Or does it tell you that we, as Americans, value sports players more than we do our soldiers that are fighting for our freedom? Furthermore, Pat Tillman happened to be great at football and made short career out of it, but felt serving his country was far more important just as the other 400 people serving did that has died in Iraq since major fighting has ceased. Pat left behind a football career, while others have left behind sons and daughters that will no longer have mothers and fathers. To me it seems as if they should be commended at such a high stature as well but the media is sometime blind all heros.

To Pat and all his fellow fallen soldiers "I gladly stand up..."
You are not forgotten...RIP

[Osiris]

Originally posted by 93coupett
I agree 100 %. I also want to add that Pat Tillman was braver than all non serving Americans because he went and served for us so we did not have to. However, it is sad that the media has ran this story continuosly throughout the day commending him. Based on what I have heard, Pat wanted to be treated like a 'normal' soldier with no special treatments. Now after his death, he is getting more publicity than ever; even more than when he was a football star. Would he want this? NO.. and he made it quite clear that his military career would not be talked about to reporters. Because he was a pro NFL player, does that make him better than anyone of us or better than any other soldier that was fighting next to him? Or does it tell you that we, as Americans, value sports players more than we do our soldiers that are fighting for our freedom? Furthermore, Pat Tillman happened to be great at football and made short career out of it, but felt serving his country was far more important just as the other 400 people serving did that has died in Iraq since major fighting has ceased. Pat left behind a football career, while others have left behind sons and daughters that will no longer have mothers and fathers. To me it seems as if they should be commended at such a high stature as well but the media is sometime blind all heros.

To Pat and all his fellow fallen soldiers "I gladly stand up..."
You are not forgotten...RIP


Wipes tear from eye.....:(

[goatman]

Originally posted by Sean88gt
That's really a shame. He has my eternal debt and respect. He displayed more courage than 99.9% of any ever to step on a football field. The fact that he was willing to (and unfortunately did) die for his beliefs is what everyone should strive for. Everytime I hear some weakneck chickenshit crybaby bag on the war I feel the overwhelming desire to puke. Courage is giving up your life to protect a way of life. God bless him. He definately has my respect. R.I.P. My prayers to his family.

[Sgt Beavis]

Pat Tillman was a fine example of a human being and and American.

I've got news for ya'll. Pat Tillman isn't an exception in the US Army. Pat Tillman is the norm. We've got nearly 1000 Pat Tillmans since 9-11. We got a few hundred of him on 9-11.

Every soldier that has died, is a Pat Tillman. The only difference is that we all know his name.


Take a minute to learn a few of the other 706 Pat Tillmans that have died in Iraq alone.

03/21/03 Beaupre, Ryan Anthony DOD
03/21/03 Gutierrez, Jose Antonio DOD
03/21/03 Aubin, Jay Thomas DOD
03/21/03 Waters-Bey, Kendall Damon DOD
03/21/03 Kennedy, Brian Matthew DOD
03/21/03 Childers, Therrel Shane DOD
03/22/03 Tobler, Brandon J. DOD
03/22/03 Orlowski, Eric J. DOD
03/22/03 Adams, Thomas Mullen DOD
03/23/03 Kiehl, James M. DOD
03/23/03 Estrella-Soto, Ruben DOD
03/23/03 Nixon, Patrick R. DOD
03/23/03 Mata, Johnny Villareal DOD
03/23/03 Fribley, David K. DOD
03/23/03 Garibay, Jose A. DOD
03/23/03 Burkett, Tamario D. DOD
03/23/03 Cline, Donald J. DOD
03/23/03 Hutchings, Nolen Ryan DOD
03/23/03 Gifford, Jonathan L. DOD
03/23/03 Hodson, Nicolas M. DOD
03/23/03 Pokorney Jr., Frederick E. DOD
03/23/03 Piestewa, Lori Ann DOD
03/23/03 Sloan, Brandon U. DOD
03/23/03 Walters, Donald Ralph DOD
03/23/03 Rosacker, Randal Kent DOD
03/23/03 Buggs, George Edward DOD
03/23/03 Chanwongse, Kemaphoom A. DOD
03/23/03 Addison, Jamaal R. DOD
03/23/03 Anguiano, Edward J. DOD
03/23/03 Jordan, Phillip A. DOD
03/23/03 Slocum, Thomas J. DOD
03/23/03 Williams, Michael J. DOD
03/23/03 Johnson II, Howard DOD
03/23/03 Reiss, Brendon C. DOD
03/23/03 Seifert, Christopher Scott DOD
03/23/03 Dowdy, Robert J. DOD
03/23/03 Bitz, Michael E. DOD
03/23/03 Gonzalez, Jose A. DOD
03/23/03 Buesing, Brian Rory DOD
03/24/03 Blair, Thomas A. DOD
03/24/03 James, Evan T. DOD
03/24/03 Sanders, Gregory P. DOD
03/24/03 Korthaus, Bradley S. DOD
03/25/03 Stone, Gregory DOD
03/25/03 Johnson Jr., Michael Vann DOD
03/26/03 Nave, Kevin G. DOD
03/27/03 May Jr., Donald C. DOD
03/27/03 O'Day, Patrick T. DOD
03/27/03 Martinez-Flores, Francisco A. DOD
03/27/03 Rodriguez, Robert M. DOD
03/27/03 Suarez del Solar, Jesus A. DOD
03/27/03 Menusa, Joseph DOD
03/28/03 Solomon, Roderic A. DOD
03/28/03 Padilla-Ramirez, Fernando DOD
03/29/03 Cawley, James W. DOD
03/29/03 Curtin, Michael Edward DOD
03/29/03 Williams, Eugene DOD
03/29/03 Rincon, Diego Fernando DOD
03/29/03 Creighton-Weldon, Russell DOD
03/29/03 White, William W. DOD
03/30/03 McGinnis, Brian D. DOD
03/30/03 Lalush, Michael V. DOD
03/30/03 Contreras, Aaron J. DOD
03/31/03 Jeffries, William A. DOD
03/31/03 Rowe, Brandon J. DOD
04/01/03 Butler, Jacob L. DOD
04/01/03 Maglione III, Joseph Basil DOD
04/02/03 White, Nathan D. DOD
04/02/03 Pedersen, Michael F. DOD
04/02/03 Smith, Eric A. DOD
04/02/03 Adamouski, James F. DOD
04/02/03 Gurtner, Christian D. DOD
04/02/03 Jamar, Scott DOD
04/02/03 Anderson, Brian E. DOD
04/02/03 Boule, Matthew G. DOD
04/02/03 Fernandez, George A. DOD
04/02/03 Halvorsen, Erik A. DOD
04/03/03 Oaks Jr., Donald S. DOD
04/03/03 Davis, Wilbert DOD
04/03/03 Evnin, Mark A. DOD
04/03/03 Livaudais, Nino Dugue DOD
04/03/03 Korn, Edward J. DOD
04/03/03 Robbins, Todd J. DOD
04/03/03 Rippetoe, Russell B. DOD
04/03/03 Long, Ryan P. DOD
04/03/03 Silva, Erik H. DOD
04/03/03 Bales, Chad E. DOD
04/03/03 Rehn, Randall S. DOD
04/04/03 Bellard, Wilfred D. DOD
04/04/03 Cunningham, Daniel Francis DOD
04/04/03 Rios, Duane R. DOD
04/04/03 Aitken, Tristan N. DOD
04/04/03 McPhillips, Brian M. DOD
04/04/03 Jones, Devon D. DOD
04/04/03 Smith, Paul R. DOD
04/04/03 Ford, Travis A. DOD
04/04/03 Sammis, Benjamin W. DOD
04/04/03 Gooden, Bernard G. DOD
04/05/03 Booker, Stevon A. DOD
04/05/03 Brown, Larry K. DOD
04/05/03 Smith, Edward DOD
04/06/03 Prewitt, Kelley S. DOD
04/06/03 Huxley Jr., Gregory P. DOD
04/07/03 Miller, Anthony S. DOD
04/07/03 Hollinsaid, Lincoln D. DOD
04/07/03 Kaylor, Jeffrey J. DOD
04/07/03 Das, Eric B. DOD
04/07/03 Medellin, Jesus Martin A. DOD
04/07/03 Watkins III, William R. DOD
04/07/03 Aviles, Andrew Julian DOD
04/07/03 Mitchell, George A. DOD
04/08/03 Meyer, Jason M. DOD
04/08/03 Marshall, John W. DOD
04/08/03 Sather, Scott D. DOD
04/08/03 Brown, Henry L. DOD
04/08/03 Garza Jr., Juan Guadalupe DOD
04/08/03 Stever, Robert A. DOD
04/10/03 Hemingway, Terry W. DOD
04/10/03 Bohr Jr., Jeffrey E. DOD
04/11/03 Tejeda, Riayan A. DOD
04/12/03 Gonzalez, Jesus A. DOD
04/12/03 Owens Jr., David Edward DOD
04/13/03 Mercado, Gil DOD
04/14/03 Gonzalez, Armando Ariel DOD
04/14/03 Mileo, Jason David DOD
04/14/03 Brown, John E. DOD
04/14/03 Foley III, Thomas A. DOD
04/14/03 Mayek, Joseph P. DOD
04/14/03 Goward, Richard A. DOD
04/17/03 Rivero, John T. DOD
04/22/03 Lam, Alan Dinh DOD
04/22/03 Arnold, Andrew Todd DOD
04/22/03 Channell Jr., Robert William DOD
04/22/03 Buckley, Roy Russell DOD
04/24/03 Jenkins, Troy David DOD
04/25/03 Sullivan, Narson B. DOD
04/25/03 Orozco, Osbaldo DOD
04/28/03 Garza Joe J. DOD
05/01/03 Givens, Jesse A. DOD
05/03/03 Reynolds, Sean C. DOD
05/04/03 Deibler, Jason L. DOD
05/08/03 Rockhold, Marlin T. DOD
05/09/03 Van Dusen, Brian K. DOD
05/09/03 Carl, Richard P. DOD
05/09/03 Bruns, Cedric E. DOD
05/09/03 Gukeisen, Hans N. DOD
05/10/03 Smith, Matthew R. DOD
05/12/03 Kowalik, Jakub Henryk DOD
05/12/03 Rodriguez, Jose F. Gonzalez DOD
05/13/03 Griffin Jr., Patrick Lee DOD
05/13/03 Kleiboeker, Nicholas Brian DOD
05/14/03 Nutt, David T. DOD
05/16/03 Payne, William L. DOD
05/18/03 Marencoreyes, Douglas Jose DOD
05/18/03 Sahib, Rasheed DOD
05/19/03 LaMont, Andrew David DOD
05/19/03 White, Aaron Dean DOD
05/19/03 Straseskie, Kirk Allen DOD
05/19/03 Ryan, Timothy Louis DOD
05/19/03 Baragona, Dominic Rocco DOD
05/19/03 Moore, Jason William DOD
05/21/03 Caldwell, Nathaniel A. DOD
05/25/03 Evans Jr., David DOD
05/26/03 Petriken, Brett J. DOD
05/26/03 Nalley, Kenneth A. DOD
05/26/03 Smith, Jeremiah D. DOD
05/26/03 Schram, Matthew E. DOD
05/26/03 Mitchell, Keman L. DOD
05/27/03 Quinn, Michael B. DOD
05/27/03 Broomhead, Thomas F. DOD
05/28/03 Bradley, Kenneth R. DOD
05/28/03 Perez III, Jose A. DOD
05/30/03 Gleason, Michael T. DOD
05/30/03 Griffin, Kyle A. DOD
05/30/03 Long, Zachariah W. DOD
06/01/03 Lambert, Jonathan W. DOD
06/03/03 Haro Marin Jr., Atanasio DOD
06/05/03 Oberleitner, Branden F. DOD
06/06/03 Bollinger Jr., Doyle W. DOD
06/06/03 Burkhardt, Travis L. DOD
06/06/03 Sisung, David DOD
06/07/03 Halling, Jesse M. DOD
06/08/03 Dooley, Michael E. DOD
06/10/03 Neighbor, Gavin L. DOD
06/12/03 Klinesmith Jr., John K. DOD
06/13/03 Pokorny, Andrew R. DOD
06/15/03 Cox, Ryan R. DOD
06/16/03 Suell, Joseph D. DOD
06/16/03 Pahnke, Shawn D. DOD
06/17/03 Tosto, Michael L. DOD
06/17/03 Frantz, Robert L. DOD
06/18/03 Deuel, Michael R. DOD
06/18/03 Latham, William T. DOD
06/19/03 Nakamura, Paul T. DOD
06/22/03 Smith, Orenthial Javon DOD
06/24/03 Lennon, Cedric Lamont DOD
06/25/03 Philippe, Gladimir DOD
06/25/03 Chris, Andrew F. DOD
06/25/03 Ott, Kevin C. DOD
06/25/03 MacDonald, Gregory E. DOD
06/26/03 Hubbell, Corey A. DOD
06/26/03 McIntosh, Joshua DOD
06/26/03 Orengo, Richard P. DOD
06/27/03 Sotelo Jr., Tomas DOD
06/28/03 Conneway, Timothy M. DOD
07/01/03 Coffin, Christopher D. DOD
07/02/03 Bradachnall, Travis J. DOD
07/03/03 Herrgott, Edward J. DOD
07/03/03 Small, Corey L. DOD
07/06/03 Parson, David B. DOD
07/06/03 Wershow, Jeffrey M. DOD
07/07/03 Sanford Sr., Barry DOD
07/07/03 Keith, Chad L. DOD
07/08/03 Boling, Craig A. DOD
07/08/03 McKinley, Robert L. DOD
07/09/03 Tetrault, Jason DOD
07/09/03 Valles, Melissa DOD
07/09/03 Gabrielson, Dan H. DOD
07/09/03 Rowe, Roger Dale DOD
07/11/03 Schultz, Christian C. DOD
07/12/03 Neusche, Joshua M. DOD
07/13/03 Puello-Coronado, Jaror C. DOD
07/13/03 Cassidy, Paul J. DOD
07/14/03 Crockett, Michael T. DOD
07/15/03 Geurin, Cory Ryan DOD
07/16/03 Torres, Ramon Reyes DOD
07/17/03 Moreno, David J. DOD
07/17/03 Whetstone, Mason Douglas DOD
07/18/03 Bertoldie, Joel L. DOD
07/19/03 Rozier, Jonathan D. DOD
07/20/03 Scott, David A. DOD
07/20/03 Jordan, Jason D. DOD
07/20/03 Willoughby, Christopher R. DOD
07/20/03 Garvey, Justin W. DOD
07/21/03 Bibby, Mark Anthony DOD
07/22/03 Fettig, Jon P. DOD
07/23/03 Byers, Joshua T. DOD
07/23/03 Christian, Brett T. DOD
07/24/03 Ashcraft, Evan Asa DOD
07/24/03 Perez, Hector R. DOD
07/24/03 Serrano, Juan M. DOD
07/24/03 Heighter, Raheen Tyson DOD
07/26/03 Methvin, Daniel K. DOD
07/26/03 Cheatham, Jonathan M. DOD
07/26/03 Perez Jr., Wilfredo DOD
07/26/03 Barnes, Jonathan P. DOD
07/27/03 McMillin, Heath A. DOD
07/28/03 Hart Jr., Nathaniel DOD
07/28/03 Maher III, William J. DOD
07/30/03 Nott, Leif E. DOD
07/31/03 Deutsch, Michael J. DOD
07/31/03 Lambert III, James I. DOD
08/01/03 Hebert, Justin W. DOD
08/05/03 Loyd, David L. DOD
08/05/03 Letufuga, Farao K. DOD
08/06/03 Colunga, Zeferino E. DOD
08/06/03 Gilbert, Kyle C. DOD
08/06/03 Hellerman, Brian R. DOD
08/06/03 Simmons, Leonard D. DOD
08/07/03 Longstreth, Duane E. DOD
08/08/03 Bush, Matthew D. DOD
08/08/03 Ramsey, Brandon DOD
08/09/03 Kinchen, Levi B. DOD
08/09/03 Knighten Jr., Floyd G. DOD
08/10/03 Perry, David S. DOD
08/12/03 Brown Jr., Timmy R. DOD
08/12/03 Eaton Jr., Richard S. DOD
08/12/03 Williams, Taft V. DOD
08/12/03 Parker, Daniel R. DOD
08/13/03 White, Steven W. DOD
08/14/03 Kirchhoff, David M. DOD
08/17/03 Ivory, Craig S. DOD
08/18/03 Hull, Eric R. DOD
08/20/03 Harris Jr., Kenneth W. DOD
08/20/03 Franklin, Bobby C. DOD
08/21/03 Jones-Huffman, Kylan A. DOD
08/21/03 Adams, Michael S. DOD
08/23/03 Mack, Vorn J. DOD
08/23/03 Scott, Stephen M. DOD
08/25/03 Manzano, Pablo DOD
08/25/03 Allen Jr., Ronald D. DOD
08/26/03 Dent, Darryl T. DOD
08/27/03 Belanger, Gregory A. DOD
08/27/03 Navea, Rafael L. DOD
08/27/03 Sherman, Anthony L. DOD
08/29/03 Lawton, Mark A. DOD
08/30/03 Cataudella, Sean K. DOD
09/01/03 Camara, Joseph DOD
09/01/03 Caldwell, Charles Todd DOD
09/01/03 Sarno, Cameron B. DOD
09/02/03 Sisson, Christopher A. DOD
09/04/03 Brown, Bruce E. DOD
09/07/03 Thompson, Jarrett B. DOD
09/09/03 Carlock, Ryan G. DOD
09/10/03 Robsky Jr., Joseph E. DOD
09/11/03 Ybarra III, Henry DOD
09/12/03 Bennett, William M. DOD
09/12/03 Morehead, Kevin N. DOD
09/14/03 Blumberg, Trevor A. DOD
09/15/03 Kimmerly, Kevin C. DOD
09/15/03 Peterson, Alyssa R. DOD
09/18/03 Arriaga, Richard DOD
09/18/03 Wright, James C DOD
09/18/03 Thompson, Anthony O. DOD
09/18/03 Faunce, Brian R. DOD
09/20/03 Friedrich, David Travis DOD
09/20/03 Miller Jr., Frederick L. DOD
09/20/03 Brown II, Lunsford B. DOD
09/22/03 Sturino, Paul J. DOD
09/24/03 Andrade, Michael DOD
09/25/03 Thomas, Kyle G. DOD
09/25/03 Rooney, Robert E. DOD
09/25/03 Lucero, Robert L. DOD
09/29/03 Cutchall, Christopher E. DOD
09/29/03 Potter, Darrin K. DOD
09/29/03 Baddick, Andrew Joseph DOD
09/30/03 McGaugh, Dustin K. DOD
10/01/03 Blankenbecler, James D. DOD
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10/01/03 Gutierrez, Analaura Esparza DOD
10/01/03 Ramos, Tamarra J. DOD
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10/03/03 Sims, Charles M. DOD
10/06/03 Torres, Richard DOD
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10/06/03 Scott, Kerry D. DOD
10/09/03 Swisher, Christopher W. DOD
10/09/03 Silva, Sean A. DOD
10/09/03 Norquist, Joseph C. DOD
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10/21/03 Bueche, Paul J. DOD
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10/23/03 Teal, John R. DOD
10/24/03 Hancock, Michael S. DOD
10/24/03 Brassfield, Artimus D. DOD
10/24/03 Mora, Jose L. DOD
10/26/03 Guerrera, Joseph R. DOD
10/26/03 Buehring, Charles H. DOD
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10/26/03 Acosta, Steven DOD
10/26/03 Bosveld, Rachel K. DOD
10/27/03 Falaniko, Jonathan I. DOD
10/27/03 Bell, Aubrey D. DOD
10/28/03 Barrera, Michael Paul DOD
10/28/03 Adams, Algernon DOD
10/28/03 Campoy, Isaac DOD
10/31/03 Bryant, Todd J. DOD
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11/04/03 Martinez, Francisco DOD
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11/08/03 Frosheiser, Kurt R. DOD
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11/11/03 Acosta, Genaro DOD
11/11/03 Jackson, Marlon P. DOD
11/12/03 Bailey, Nathan J. DOD
11/12/03 Wise, Robert A. DOD
11/13/03 Minucci II, Joseph DOD
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11/14/03 Medina, Irving DOD
11/15/03 Kesterson, Erik C. DOD
11/15/03 Hawk Eagle, Sheldon R. DOD
11/15/03 Saboe, Scott A. DOD
11/15/03 Heidelberg, Damian L. DOD
11/15/03 DiGiovanni, Jeremiah J. DOD
11/15/03 Whitener, Joey D. DOD
11/15/03 Uhl III, Eugene A. DOD
11/15/03 Sullivan, John R. DOD
11/15/03 Russell, John W. DOD
11/15/03 Dusenbery, William D. DOD
11/15/03 Hansen, Warren S. DOD
11/15/03 Piche, Pierre E. DOD
11/15/03 Baker, Ryan T. DOD
11/15/03 Wolfe, Jeremy L. DOD
11/15/03 Hayslett, Timothy L. DOD
11/15/03 Hafer, Richard W. DOD
11/15/03 Bolor, Kelly DOD
11/15/03 Acklin II, Michael D. DOD
11/17/03 Shull, James A. DOD
11/17/03 Panchot, Dale A. DOD
11/17/03 Dalley, Nathan S. DOD
11/17/03 Coulter, Alexander S. DOD
11/20/03 Lister, Joseph L. DOD
11/20/03 Wood, George A. DOD
11/20/03 Tyrrell, Scott Matthew DOD
11/21/03 Coleman, Gary B. DOD
11/22/03 Bushart, Damian S. DOD
11/22/03 Roberts, Robert D. DOD
11/23/03 Menyweather, Eddie E. DOD
11/23/03 Wilson, Jerry L. DOD
11/23/03 Smith, Darrell L. DOD
11/23/03 Nason, Christopher G. DOD
11/23/03 Ravago IV, Rel A. DOD
11/26/03 Goldberg, David J. DOD
11/27/03 Sweet II, Thomas J. DOD
11/28/03 Rico, Ariel DOD
11/29/03 Bertolino, Stephen A. DOD
11/29/03 Sissel, Aaron J. DOD
12/01/03 Singh, Uday DOD
12/02/03 Boone, Clarence E. DOD
12/02/03 Young, Ryan C. DOD
12/02/03 Davis, Raphael S. DOD
12/05/03 Clark, Arron R. DOD
12/07/03 Hutchinson, Ray J. DOD
12/08/03 Wright, Jason G. DOD
12/08/03 Bridges, Steven H. DOD
12/08/03 Wesley, Christopher Jude Rivera DOD
12/08/03 Blickenstaff, Joseph M. DOD
12/10/03 Reese, Aaron T. DOD
12/10/03 Bates, Todd M. DOD
12/10/03 Burdick, Richard A. DOD
12/10/03 Petty, Jerrick M. DOD
12/11/03 Edgerton, Marshall L. DOD
12/12/03 Black, Jarrod W. DOD
12/12/03 Braun, Jeffrey F. DOD
12/14/03 Ferguson, Rian C. DOD
12/14/03 Voelz, Kimberly A. DOD
12/15/03 Souslin, Kenneth C. DOD
12/15/03 Nakis, Nathan W. DOD
12/17/03 Holland, Christopher J. DOD
12/18/03 Allison, Glenn R. DOD
12/19/03 Bush Jr., Charles E. DOD
12/22/03 Moore, Stuart W. DOD
12/22/03 Saltz, Edward M. DOD
12/24/03 Yashinski, Michael E. DOD
12/24/03 Soelzer, Christopher F. DOD
12/24/03 Biskie, Benjamin W. DOD
12/24/03 Cooke, Eric F. DOD
12/24/03 Splinter, Christopher J. DOD
12/25/03 Christensen, Thomas W. DOD
12/25/03 Hattamer, Stephen C. DOD
12/26/03 Mihalakis, Michael G. DOD
12/26/03 Sutter, Michael J. DOD
12/26/03 Haight, Charles G. DOD
12/28/03 Cuervo, Rey D. DOD
12/28/03 Jordan Jr., Curt E. DOD
12/28/03 Blanco, Ernesto M. DOD
12/30/03 Pollard, Justin W. DOD
01/02/04 Bangayan, Solomon C. "Kelly" DOD
01/02/04 Paliwoda, Eric Thomas DOD
01/02/04 Seiden, Marc S. DOD
01/02/04 Hampton, Kimberly N. DOD
01/02/04 Corral, Dennis A. DOD
01/05/04 Frist, Luke P. DOD
01/07/04 Mizener, Jesse D. DOD
01/08/04 Diraimondo, Michael A. DOD
01/08/04 Hicks, Gregory B. DOD
01/08/04 Walker, Jeffrey C. DOD
01/08/04 Golby, Christopher A. DOD
01/08/04 Weaver, Aaron A. DOD
01/08/04 Johnson Jr., Philip A. DOD
01/08/04 Johnson, Nathaniel H. DOD
01/08/04 Manuel, Ian D. DOD
01/08/04 Davis, Craig DOD
01/12/04 Crockett, Ricky L. DOD
01/13/04 Hines, Keicia M. DOD
01/16/04 Castro, Roland L. DOD
01/17/04 Polley Jr., Larry E. DOD
01/17/04 Randle Jr., Edmond Lee DOD
01/17/04 Orr, Cody J. DOD
01/18/04 Hornbeck, Kelly L. DOD
01/21/04 Parker, James D. DOD
01/21/04 Palacios, Gabriel T. DOD
01/23/04 Blaise, Michael T. DOD
01/23/04 Hazelgrove, Brian D. DOD
01/24/04 Smette, Keith L. DOD
01/24/04 Sturges Jr., William R. DOD
01/24/04 Hendrickson, Kenneth W. DOD
01/24/04 Chappell, Jason K. DOD
01/24/04 Rosenberg, Randy S. DOD
01/25/04 Dorff, Patrick D. DOD
01/25/04 Bunda, Christopher DOD
01/25/04 Mooney, Adam G. DOD
01/25/04 Dervishi, Ervin DOD
01/27/04 Kinney II, Lester O. DOD
01/27/04 Hoffman, James T. DOD
01/27/04 James, Luke S. DOD
01/27/04 Mracek, Cory R. DOD
01/27/04 Moothart, Travis A. DOD
01/27/04 August, Matthew J. DOD
01/29/04 Moreno, Luis A. DOD
01/29/04 Landrus, Sean G. DOD
01/31/04 Miersandoval, Eliu A. DOD
01/31/04 McGeogh, Holly J. DOD
01/31/04 Cabralbanuelos, Juan C. DOD
02/01/04 Turner Jr., Roger C. DOD
02/01/04 Soriano, Armando DOD
02/03/04 Dvorin, Seth J. DOD
02/05/04 Knowles, Joshua L. DOD
02/08/04 Ramey, Richard P. DOD
02/09/04 Robbins, Thomas D. DOD
02/09/04 Wong, Elijah Tai Wah DOD
02/10/04 Mariano, Jude C. DOD
02/11/04 Tainsh, Patrick S. DOD
02/11/04 Ramirez, William C. DOD
02/12/04 Ramirez, Eric U. DOD
02/14/04 Spry, Bryan N. DOD
02/16/04 Frye, Nichole M. DOD
02/16/04 Taylor, Christopher M. DOD
02/16/04 Merila, Michael M. DOD
02/19/04 Graham, Jeffrey C. DOD
02/19/04 Ling, Roger G. DOD
02/20/04 Bacon, Henry A. DOD
02/25/04 Wells, Stephen M. DOD
02/25/04 Laskowski, Matthew C. DOD
03/02/04 Woodliff, Michael R. DOD
03/05/04 Gray, Michael J. DOD
03/07/04 Jones, Gussie M. DOD
03/08/04 Milczark, Matthew G. DOD
03/09/04 Gottfried, Richard S. DOD
03/09/04 Holland, Fern L. DOD
03/09/04 Zangas, Robert J. DOD
03/09/04 Brabazon, Edward W. DOD
03/10/04 Hoyer, Bert Edward DOD
03/11/04 Dunigan Jr., Joe L. DOD
03/11/04 Hill, Christopher K. DOD
03/13/04 Kurth, John F. "Hans" DOD
03/13/04 Ford, Jason C. DOD
03/13/04 Ferrin, Clint D. DOD
03/13/04 Londono, Daniel J. DOD
03/13/04 Brattain, Joel K. DOD
03/14/04 Carrasquillo, Jocelyn "Joce" L. DOD
03/14/04 Normandy, William J. DOD
03/16/04 Adams, Michael R. DOD
03/16/04 Thigpen Sr., Thomas R. DOD
03/17/04 Phipps, Ivory L. DOD
03/17/04 Laramore, Tracy L. DOD
03/18/04 Morris Jr., Ricky A. DOD
03/18/04 Smith, Brandon C. DOD
03/18/04 Sutphin, Ernest Harold DOD
03/18/04 Brownfield, Andrew D. DOD
03/18/04 Chan, Doron DOD
03/19/04 Ludlam, Jason C. DOD
03/19/04 Vicente, David M. DOD
03/19/04 Matthews, Clint Richard "Bones" DOD
03/20/04 Sandri, Matthew J. DOD
03/20/04 Taylor, Mark D. DOD
03/20/04 Vega, Michael W. DOD
03/21/04 Kreider, Dustin L. DOD
03/21/04 Hudson, Christopher E. DOD
03/22/04 Dang, Andrew S. DOD
03/22/04 Miller Jr., Bruce DOD
03/24/04 Shanaberger III, Wentz Jerome Henry DOD
03/25/04 Froehlich, Adam D. DOD
03/25/04 Burgess, Jeffrey C. DOD
03/25/04 Casper, James A. DOD
03/26/04 Sandoval Jr., Leroy DOD
03/27/04 Toney, Timothy DOD
03/29/04 Holmes, Jeremiah J. DOD
03/29/04 Schneider, Sean M. DOD
03/30/04 Wiscowiche, William J. DOD
03/30/04 Ferguson, Richard L. DOD
03/31/04 Hufstedler, Doyle M. DOD
03/31/04 Mitchell, Sean R. DOD
03/31/04 Karr Jr., Michael G. DOD
03/31/04 Raney, Cleston C. DOD
03/31/04 Davis, Brandon L. DOD
04/01/04 Sekula, Dustin M. DOD
04/02/04 Strange, William R. DOD
04/03/04 Morris, Geoffrey S. DOD
04/04/04 Barr, Aric J. DOD
04/04/04 Arsiaga, Robert R. DOD
04/04/04 Garza, Israel DOD
04/04/04 Jostes, Forest Joseph DOD
04/04/04 Sheehan, Casey DOD
04/04/04 Cason, Ahmed Akil "Mel" DOD
04/04/04 Hiller, Stephen D. "Dusty" DOD
04/04/04 Chen, Yihiyh L. DOD
04/04/04 Mitchell, Michael W. DOD
04/04/04 Amos II, John D. DOD
04/04/04 Rogers, Philip G. DOD
04/04/04 Fey, Tyler R. DOD
04/05/04 Langhorst, Moises A. DOD
04/05/04 Serio, Matthew K. DOD
04/05/04 Ramos, Christopher DOD
04/05/04 Thiry, Jesse L. DOD
04/05/04 Hallal, Deryk L. DOD
04/05/04 McKeever, David M. DOD
04/05/04 Goldman, Shane Lee DOD
04/05/04 Larson Jr., Scott Quentin DOD
04/06/04 Moreno, Gerardo DOD
04/06/04 Todacheene, Lee Duane DOD
04/06/04 Cobb, Christopher R. DOD
04/06/04 Jerabek, Ryan M. DOD
04/06/04 Layfield, Travis J. DOD
04/06/04 Crowley, Kyle D. DOD
04/06/04 Walker, Allan K. DOD
04/06/04 Roberts, Anthony P. DOD
04/06/04 Cherry, Marcus M. DOD
04/06/04 Carman, Benjamin R. DOD
04/06/04 Mendezaceves, Fernando A. DOD
04/06/04 Mabry, Christopher D. DOD
04/07/04 Wroblewski, John Thomas "J.T." DOD
04/07/04 Rentschler, George S. DOD
04/07/04 Felder, Tyanna S. DOD
04/07/04 Labadie Jr., William W. DOD
04/07/04 Miller, Marvin Lee DOD
04/07/04 Morel, Brent L. DOD
04/08/04 Nieves, Isaac Michael DOD
04/08/04 Harrell, William M. DOD
04/08/04 Palmer, Joshua M. DOD
04/08/04 Wafford, Michael B. DOD
04/08/04 Dieruf, Nicholas J. DOD
04/08/04 Wasser, Christopher B. DOD
04/08/04 Frank, Phillip E. DOD
04/08/04 Angell, Levi T. DOD
04/09/04 Ayon, Eric A. DOD
04/09/04 Phelps, Chance R. DOD
04/09/04 Vandayburg, Allen Jeffrey "A.J." DOD
04/09/04 McMahan, Don Steven DOD
04/09/04 NAME NOT RELEASED YET DOD
04/09/04 NAME NOT RELEASED YET DOD
04/09/04 Enos, Peter G. DOD
04/09/04 Mallet, Toby W. DOD
04/09/04 Witmer, Michelle M. DOD
04/09/04 Kephart, Jonathan Roy DOD
04/09/04 Matula, Matthew E. DOD
04/09/04 Torrez III, Elias DOD
04/09/04 Speer, Michael Raymond DOD
04/09/04 Delgreco, Felix M. DOD
04/09/04 Goodrich, Gregory R. DOD
04/09/04 Jones Jr., Raymond Edison DOD
04/10/04 Holt, Antoine J. DOD
04/10/04 Sims Jr., John T. DOD
04/10/04 Eckhart, William C. DOD
04/10/04 Carballo, Adolf C. DOD
04/11/04 Johnson, Justin W. DOD
04/11/04 Brown, Nathan P. DOD
04/11/04 Jimenez, Oscar DOD
04/11/04 Torres, George D. DOD
04/11/04 Amaya, Daniel R. DOD
04/11/04 Fortenberry, Wesley C. DOD
04/11/04 Colton, Lawrence S. DOD
04/11/04 Gray, Torrey L. DOD
04/11/04 Stack, Michael Boyd DOD
04/12/04 Zurheide Jr., Robert P. DOD
04/12/04 Shuder, Brad S. DOD
04/13/04 Boye, Noah L. DOD
04/13/04 Kolm, Kevin T. DOD
04/13/04 Rosaleslomeli, Victor A. DOD
04/14/04 Rivers Jr., Frank K. DOD
04/14/04 Trevithick, Richard K. DOD
04/14/04 Ramirez, Christopher DOD
04/15/04 Arroyave, Jimmy J. DOD
04/16/04 Wood, Brian M. DOD
04/17/04 McGlothin, Michael A. DOD
04/17/04 Henderson II, Robert L. DOD
04/17/04 Henson, Clayton Welch DOD
04/17/04 Hartman, Jonathan N. DOD
04/17/04 NAME NOT RELEASED YET DOD
04/17/04 Smith Jr., Michael J. DOD
04/17/04 Valdez Jr., Ruben DOD
04/17/04 Van Leuven, Gary F. DOD
04/17/04 Gibson, Chris DOD
04/17/04 Gannon II, Richard J. DOD
04/17/04 Carman, Edward DOD
04/17/04 Camposiles, Marvin A. DOD
04/17/04 Morgan, Dennis B. DOD
04/17/04 NAME NOT RELEASED YET DOD
04/20/04 Gelineau, Christopher D. DOD
04/20/04 Fox, Bradley C. DOD
04/20/04 Harris-Kelly, Leroy DOD

[whiteboy]

damn thats alot of names:(

[Sgt Beavis]

Originally posted by whiteboy
damn thats alot of names:(

And that is only Iraq. I'm still looking for the names of the 110 soldiers that have died in Afghanistan

[46Tbird]

RIP Pat Tillman

I'm in Phoenix today, so this has been BIG BIG news all day here..

[evil jose]

Originally posted by Sgt Beavis
Pat Tillman was a fine example of a human being and and American.

I've got news for ya'll. Pat Tillman isn't an exception in the US Army. Pat Tillman is the norm. We've got nearly 1000 Pat Tillmans since 9-11. We got a few hundred of him on 9-11.

Every soldier that has died, is a Pat Tillman. The only difference is that we all know his name.

I'm not denying that everyone who is serving is not a hero. But you've gotta give Pat Tillman props for his patriotism. How many of us would turn down a job paying $3M over 3 years to up and enlist in the military? That's what makes Pat special.

[Sgt Beavis]

Originally posted by evil jose
I'm not denying that everyone who is serving is not a hero. But you've gotta give Pat Tillman props for his patriotism. How many of us would turn down a job paying $3M over 3 years to up and enlist in the military? That's what makes Pat special.

IMO, what makes him special is that he did that and didn't think he was special.

[evil jose]

Originally posted by Sgt Beavis
IMO, what makes him special is that he did that and didn't think he was special.

True dat Sarge!

[Josh]

Another aspect of him not mentioned is that he refused any interviews after his enlistment because he said that he deserved nothing more than his fellow soldiers.

[Saladbar]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
You know that's exactly what the radical muslims are doing?

I'm just saying.................


No.. What they're doing is wrong... Cut and dry!

Or - Have Americans hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings w/ the intent of murdering thousands upon thousands of people? I don't think so.

What EXACTLY are you just saying???????????????????



Oh.. And R.I.P. Mr. Tillman, and everyone else whom has died trying to defend what they believe in.

[goatman]

I think what he is saying is that they are willing to die for their beliefs. You're right, they are wrong because they take it to the extreme. The muslim extremeists believe that if you don't think like they do you must die. They don't step right up to your face and do it, they wait till your not expecting it and sucker punch you. Not to memtion kill innocent people in the process.

[Saladbar]

Originally posted by goatman
I think what he is saying is that they are willing to die for their beliefs. You're right, they are wrong because they take it to the extreme. The muslim extremeists believe that if you don't think like they do you must die. They don't step right up to your face and do it, they wait till your not expecting it and sucker punch you. Not to memtion kill innocent people in the process.

Naa.. It's because Pat Tillman was white.

[Hollywood]

Originally posted by Sgt Beavis
IMO, what makes him special is that he did that and didn't think he was special.

[goatman]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Naa.. It's because Pat Tillman was white. I really hope he's not THAT shallow.

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Saladbar

Oh.. And R.I.P. Mr. Tillman, and everyone else whom has died trying to defend what they believe in.


You're including the terroists again

[Marisa]

Obviously not a good career decision.

[Sgt Beavis]

The Afganistan Casualty list, since Enduring Freedom begain. As of April 15th.

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/MMID/casualty/oef_date_of_death_list.pdf

[Cartman]

http://www.azcardinals.com/


R.I.P.

[Mach1Marauder]

I'm REALLY sorry that Pat had to give his life. I really am.
I'M SICK of hearing in the MEDIA about how he gave up sooooo much to serve his country.
I don't know anything about the man.............does he have children?
If he doesn't, then he gave up FAR LESS the any other serviceman that had died over there or at anytime.
I did hear his interview today about how it was an honor to go defend his country and I admire him for saying that. Ask any serviceman and most will tell you the same. I know it was for me.
Don't get me wrong here. He gave his life for his country! But he is no better that anyone else that did so before him or who will afterwards.
I'm sorry guys. The media coverage of this really pissed me off today!


I'm off my soapbox now!

[TrueBlueGT]

I also agree that he is a hero, but no more than any of the other men and women in the military. I would gladly volanteer to go back into the military if they would accept me any day, war or not.

There is a huge difference in dying for someone that wants to conform the world to thier beliefs, while murdering innocent people (Notice the head terrorists are not willing to die themselves), and someone who is willing to die to:
A) ensure that his fellow countrymen remain free
B) help put down a dictator that is no more than a terrorist
C) stop a terrorist from murdering innocent people wether they be Americans or not

[Josh]

I disagree. He did give up more than most Americans. The man as much as had a winning lottery ticket in his hand with that multi-million dollar contract. Now how many soldiers out there would have left the fame and fortune of being a professional athlete to go fight? Very few I'd bet.

There is nothing wrong about making this guy a hero. It takes nothing away from the other soldiers who have given their lives. It is a remarkable story because he did a remarkable thing. Give credit where credit is due.

[davbrucas]

he and his brother were supposed to compete in this years Best Ranger competition...i am sure they would have won...
IMO, all the soldiers who have died protectiong our way of life are heroes regardless of background, race, or popularity. i think that the average joe that dies over there and had a young wife and child gave up way more than tillman. only difference is that everyone knows who tillman is and his story. i just cant imagine what it would be like to take a hit over there and know you are dying and you will never see your family again...that is why all of us wrote a goobye letter before going into combat just in case...

RLTW

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Sgt Beavis
06/01/03 Lambert, Jonathan W. DOD



I think I went to school with this guy!!!!:eek: :( How can I find out?

[Josh]

Originally posted by davbrucas
I think that the average joe that dies over there and had a young wife and child gave up way more than tillman.

I agree with that. No amount of money is worth leaving a family without a father or husband. I also agree with you that every soldier that serves his/her country on foriegn soil in conflict is a hero. I don't want anyone to misconstrue my comments to not recognize them as well. But when you consider his decision to join in spite of the millions of dollars he had offered him, well, that is a very very commendable thing.

[Josh]

Jonathan Lambert (http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/oif/profiles/lambertjonathanw.html)

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Josh
Jonathan Lambert (http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/oif/profiles/lambertjonathanw.html)

Imagine that........ His first name, middle name, and last name are the same. Thanks Josh for clearing that up for me.

[YoBro]

Every soldier is a hero no doubt. The difference is you can put a name with a face w/ Pat Tillman, I doubt any other soldier gave up millions to enlist. Like it was said he wanted no recognition from the media. So all you that complain about the media coverage wake up!!! His story is being told to show what a hero is, sure others stories could be told but this one will reach more people for the simple fact he was a professional athlete . Where is your pride?

[Josh]

Originally posted by Silver
Imagine that........ His first name, middle name, and last name are the same. Thanks Josh for clearing that up for me.

Sorry about your loss.

[davbrucas]

Originally posted by Josh
Sorry about your loss.

i took it as a coincidence....
was this guy the one you went to school with?

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Josh
Sorry about your loss.


It was a different guy. The guy I know is 23. I was tripping that the 2 have the same 3 names.


No doubt, all of the members of the Armed Forces are heros.


*salutes*

[Josh]

Well, glad I was wrong about your buddy.

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Josh
Well, glad I was wrong about your buddy.

It's all good brotha.

[Mach1Marauder]

Thank GOD there are some X-servicemen in here!
Most of you people don't have the slightest clue what EVERY serviceman GIVES UP for his country on a DAILY basis..........much less the ones that have to go into harms way and the ones that actually give the ultimate sacrifice! I'm glad that you DON'T have to know first hand!
Memorial Day and Veteran's Day should make you give thanks to the men and women that sacrificed all or part of their lives so that you can pursue your dreams, race your Mustangs, voice your opinions and raise your children in the best country in the world!

[Osiris]

Originally posted by Mach1Marauder
Thank GOD there are some X-servicemen in here!
Most of you people don't have the slightest clue what EVERY serviceman GIVES UP for his country on a DAILY basis..........much less the ones that have to go into harms way and the ones that actually give the ultimate sacrifice! I'm glad that you DON'T have to know first hand!
Memorial Day and Veteran's Day should make you give thanks to the men and women that sacrificed all or part of their lives so that you can pursue your dreams, race your Mustangs, voice your opinions and raise your children in the best country in the world!

I was a Marine up untill my son was in the breadbox. I had to give up that option, unfortunatley. Recruit Marines don't make very much money.:(

My sister is a Marine. LCpl Flores.:D
My StepDad was a Marine.
My cousins are Marines.

[davbrucas]

Originally posted by Silver
I was a Marine up untill my son was in the breadbox. I had to give up that option, unfortunatley. Recruit Marines don't make very much money.:(

My sister is a Marine. LCpl Flores.:D
My StepDad was a Marine.
My cousins are Marines.

since when can you say that you no longr want to be in the service? when i was in you were in the length of your contract. i guess you can take a medical disharge?

[Mach1Marauder]

Originally posted by davbrucas
since when can you say that you no longr want to be in the service? when i was in you were in the length of your contract. i guess you can take a medical disharge?

If you are an officer, you can relenquish your commission at any time.

[evil jose]

Originally posted by Silver
My sister is a Marine. LCpl Flores.:D


Post pictures please :D

Hey! You watching the Mav's game with us this afternoon?

[davbrucas]

Originally posted by Mach1Marauder
If you are an officer, you can relenquish your commission at any time.

i was enlisted...tough to relinquish that!

[90stang]

:( God Bless them all!!!!:(

[Osiris]

Originally posted by davbrucas
since when can you say that you no longr want to be in the service? when i was in you were in the length of your contract. i guess you can take a medical disharge?

Ahh. Sorry. I said it wrong. Let me rephrase. I was all signed up and all I required was swearing in. The week of My Now wife told me she was several months into the pregnancy. I decided to stay, and be a father. My first child, I had to. I didn't want to risk him being fatherless.

Originally posted by evil jose
Post pictures please :D

Hey! You watching the Mav's game with us this afternoon?

No Pictures!!! She's married! Let me see if I can dig some up..... But she's married!!!


I work untill 7pm:( What's up for later-later?

[MadScientist]

Originally posted by Silver
I work untill 7pm:( What's up for later-later?

My birthday party/spankfest is at the same location....Pugseleys.

[evil jose]

Originally posted by Silver
No Pictures!!! She's married! Let me see if I can dig some up..... But she's married!!!


I work untill 7pm:( What's up for later-later?

Haha... I was just messing with ya. But post the pictures anyway :D

We will still be there, game probably won't be over until 8:30-9pm. Swing by!

[Osiris]

Originally posted by evil jose
Haha... I was just messing with ya. But post the pictures anyway :D

We will still be there, game probably won't be over until 8:30-9pm. Swing by!

Tengo que ver si puedo.

My best friends little girl's 1 year b-day party in later also.:(

[Big Red 2000]

I am glad to hear that some people feel the same way I do, in regards to Tillman's death. I respect him and his family and I feel for their loss, but to me it is a slap in the face for the other military member's families, who have lost a family member. Their loved one hasn't received the nationwide tribute and attention that this man has gotten. Why is he so different?? Because he got paid millions to play a game? I think it is absolutely wonderful that he wanted do something honorable for his country but people join the military every day. Many of them have scholarships to excellent schools and have extremely promising careers, but they want to do something more.
And trust me it is very easy, at least for me, to put a face with this war. My hubby leaves May 11 to be trained for Combat arms, and then it is only a matter of time before he goes to the sandbox. As I stated in my post earlier(before I saw this thread), he will miss his first son's birth. We didn't find out until after he enlisted, but I honestly think he would've done it anyway. It is just very frustrating for me to see the entire nation turn to this one man and give him the respect, attention, and tribute that every single soldier deserves.

[black01gt]

Originally posted by zachary

"death of one is a tragedy, death of millions a statistic"
i hate how the media makes soldiers out to be just as dispencable as the tanks and hummers

nothing AGIANST Pat Tillman at all may God rest his soul, but i just wish EVERY soldier got the same kind of respect thats all
During the Viet Nam war, on the news everyday they would give a "daily body count". American and N.Vietnamese; it became like scoring a game.

[mstangfrk95gts]

well heres my side, i knew pat pretty well from basic and AIT,
B Co 1/119th,
and we kept in occasional contact later on,
he didnt exactly walk out on the NFL, he was just tired of it, he wanted to do something with more meaningful to him, and his bro wasnt getting anywhere with baseball and was getting bored, Pat was a true renniasance man as when we had mail call he would be getting clippings from science magazines, travel mags and astronomy stuff, when others were getting regular mail, really a fun and nice guy to be around.

i never heard anything negitive come out of his mouth on any subject... he was rare breed of person, and even more rare in that he felt that his choice and sacrifice were no big deal, a true patriot, and modest as they come Kevin was pretty much the same way.

i talked to him right after he got to Ft Lewis, and he said that they were about to be deployed, this was like feb of last year...

Pat told me that he and kevin (his brother) were going to finish thier 3 yr contracts with the Ranger Batt and maybe try out for SF, but he wasnt sure yet.
this was before the iraq deal went off, and i never got any emails since then.

he will be missed by all those who knew him and met him.

HOOAHH Pat!!

[Cartman]

Originally posted by Big Red 2000
I am glad to hear that some people feel the same way I do, in regards to Tillman's death. I respect him and his family and I feel for their loss, but to me it is a slap in the face for the other military member's families, who have lost a family member. Their loved one hasn't received the nationwide tribute and attention that this man has gotten. Why is he so different?? Because he got paid millions to play a game? I think it is absolutely wonderful that he wanted do something honorable for his country but people join the military every day. Many of them have scholarships to excellent schools and have extremely promising careers, but they want to do something more.
And trust me it is very easy, at least for me, to put a face with this war. My hubby leaves May 11 to be trained for Combat arms, and then it is only a matter of time before he goes to the sandbox. As I stated in my post earlier(before I saw this thread), he will miss his first son's birth. We didn't find out until after he enlisted, but I honestly think he would've done it anyway. It is just very frustrating for me to see the entire nation turn to this one man and give him the respect, attention, and tribute that every single soldier deserves.

I agree with most of what you stated, but what makes him different is that he walked away from money that almost anybody serving right now would not do. That is why he is getting all this media, but I don't think he is more of a hero then those that have died doing the same thing he did, he just gave up a little more than they did.

[DanielMc]

Originally posted by Cartman
I agree with most of what you stated, but what makes him different is that he walked away from money that almost anybody serving right now would not do. That is why he is getting all this media, but I don't think he is more of a hero then those that have died doing the same thing he did, he just gave up a little more than they did.
Ask any father if he'd rather walk away from the birth of his first child possible leaving them fatherless and 3.6 million, and id bet youd get the 3.6 mill. A man that is willing to walk away and leave children behind is more of a hero than a man that already had money from the nfl walking away from more of it IMO. Why is it in this country an unclaimed 3.6 mill gets you all over the news but a child whithout a father does not?

[Josh]

Because there are thousands of soldiers leaving a child behind. There has probably only been one that has done what Pat Tillman did.

[DanielMc]

Originally posted by Josh
Because there are thousands of soldiers leaving a child behind. There has probably only been one that has done what Pat Tillman did.
so you are telling me importance is an automatic biproduct of rarity? Your right, there are thousands of more dads out there than there are millionaires, so i guess the millionaires are more important

[Josh]

No I am saying that it is more news worthy.

[NTOSVO]

Well here's my view on the subject.

Pat(God rest his soul), did something what we call SelflessService. He didn't want anything, only to serve for his country.
The media played on it because it was something not seen everyday. He had joined over a year ago. Heard about it then, but never heard of any updates until now. That's just the news.

Pat has not been the fist "star" to grace the military. A person I can think of hand right now is Elvis Presley. From what I remember is that he was drafted. He went and did his time, and came back.

I love my wife and son very much and it's frustrating, that I will not be able to see my son being born.

Maybe this whole thing is not about money or material things. That could never make you truely happy. It's what you have to do as a person to make yourself and your family happy.

Chad

[broncopower]

I wish I had the guts and the courage Pat tillman had. May God rest his soul.

[Cartman]

Originally posted by DanielMc
Ask any father if he'd rather walk away from the birth of his first child possible leaving them fatherless and 3.6 million, and id bet youd get the 3.6 mill. A man that is willing to walk away and leave children behind is more of a hero than a man that already had money from the nfl walking away from more of it IMO. Why is it in this country an unclaimed 3.6 mill gets you all over the news but a child whithout a father does not?

the difference being that about 90% of the people who joined up did as a last resort. Pat did it for the right reason. I bet you if you could offer everybody going in a chance at a 3.6 mil contract or join the service and fight for the country, I bet you 98% would take the money and run.

the fact that he did this, means he knows what is really important. is he more of hero than others, no, but what he did, he did for the right reasons.

[mstangfrk95gts]

"the difference being that about 90% of the people who joined up did as a last resort..."

do you really belive that crap??

ive been in for 4 years and i damn sure didnt do it for the money.

[twelvesrslow]

Originally posted by Sgt Beavis
Pat Tillman was a fine example of a human being and and American.

I've got news for ya'll. Pat Tillman isn't an exception in the US Army. Pat Tillman is the norm. We've got nearly 1000 Pat Tillmans since 9-11. We got a few hundred of him on 9-11.

Every soldier that has died, is a Pat Tillman. The only difference is that we all know his name.


Take a minute to learn a few of the other 706 Pat Tillmans that have died in Iraq alone.

03/26/04 Sandoval Jr., Leroy DOD
I knew him. He lived in an apartment where I later moved to. The room that was his growing up, later became mine. We played baseball together as teenagers too. :(

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by Saladbar
No.. What they're doing is wrong... Cut and dry!

Or - Have Americans hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings w/ the intent of murdering thousands upon thousands of people? I don't think so.

What EXACTLY are you just saying???????????????????



Oh.. And R.I.P. Mr. Tillman, and everyone else whom has died trying to defend what they believe in.

American soldiers have never killed innocent people??
Every Vietnam Vet that I have talked to has told me different.

Personally, I feel that both sides (Americans and Iraqi/ Muslum "extremists") of this war truely believe in their heart that they are doing the right thing and that they are fighting the "bad guys". Many Americans view these extremists as brainwashed, uneducated, killing machines that are influenced by their government using religion as leverage to condone war.

Think about this for a moment. We Americans fall into the very same steriotype that we have given them.
We ARE brainwashed by our media into believing that everything the Iraqi's do is bad and nothing good can ever come from understanding the plight of these people. All we are told is that they want to kill us and give us no reason for their anomosity towards Americans (who cares, right?).
Americans are VERY uneducated, especially when it comes to politics. We choose our leaders by who we "feel" is the best candidate. A firm handshake? Who is taller? What are his (supposeably) religious beliefs? Who your friend, neighbor or brother is voting for? Which campaign ad/ comercial seemed more "genuinely caring or heartfelt" An overwhelming amount of Americans do not actually take the time to research a politicians stand on real issues that matter or his accomplishments.

And the worst one of all, we feel that we Americans are immume to religious influence as a means to condone war. 1st of all, no one one earth is immume to environmental influence of their peers, PERIOD. There are obvious attempts of negative influence such as the corner crack dealer. Some are not so obvious.

September 11th has been used over and over by every politician and news group to condone every action that the U.S. government has made whether good or bad.
George Bush has stated that we (America) are "the light or beacon" that stands for freedom and good. They "Iraqi rebels" (I don't believe in the word terrorists because it is what the "BIG army calls the little army, we're at war, remember?) are "evil" and want nothing more that to see ALL Americans die for no better reason than "they are jeolous of our way of life, which breeds hate."
He litterally took scriptures from the bible and replaced God with "America" and Satan with the Iraqi enemy. Is this not religious persuasion to condone war? How many times have we seen bumper stickers with the words "god bless our troops"? WHAT????
GOD= he who is holy and loving and stands for all that is good.

BLESS= To invoke divine favor upon

our TROOPS= A unit of cavalry, armored vehicles, or artillery in a European army, corresponding to a platoon in the U.S. Army. (which is designed to KILL)

How in the heck did we feel that these words should be used together with just cause? Reworded:

To me , it is exactly what "god bless our troops" means .
I'm sick of seeing those stupid statements using gods name like that!!! It's SICK, SICK, SICK!!!!

And for those who defend Bush by saying that he is a religios man and that's why he quotes the bible. B.S!!!!
Any true Christian wold stay as far away from politics as possable. Why? Because it belongs to Satan. That's right. If any of you know the bible, you can confim this. "The last temptation of Christ."
Satan met Christ on a mountain top and offered him all the governments of the world in exchange, Jesus would perform a dance of worship in front of Satan. It was tempting to Christ because he knew that the devil spoke the truth. Well, Christ dismissed him and that was that, but the point being, Bush or any politician does not hold religion as 1st in their life. Much less use God's word to corrupt his fellow man.

This is my point of view and opinion. If you're going to reply with namecalling or say "you're not very smart, are you? or some childish remark like that, don't bother because I won't reply. If you have a different point of view, I'd like to read it.

[black01gt]

Originally posted by MAURICIO

And for those who defend Bush by saying that he is a religios man and that's why he quotes the bible. B.S!!!!
Any true Christian wold stay as far away from politics as possable. Why? Because it belongs to Satan. That's right. If any of you know the bible, you can confim this. "The last temptation of Christ."
Satan met Christ on a mountain top and offered him all the governments of the world in exchange, Jesus would perform a dance of worship in front of Satan. It was tempting to Christ because he knew that the devil spoke the truth. Well, Christ dismissed him and that was that, but the point being, Bush or any politician does not hold religion as 1st in their life. Much less use God's word to corrupt his fellow man.

This is my point of view and opinion. If you're going to reply with namecalling or say "you're not very smart, are you? or some childish remark like that, don't bother because I won't reply. If you have a different point of view, I'd like to read it.
Bush gets a lot of votes and campaign money by "thumpin his bible", and for that reason alone I would not stand next to him in an electrical storm! I think he must have learned that "trick" from all of the televangelist.
Well said MAURICIO!

[Denny]

MAURICIO and black01gt-

Have either of you two been over here to witness first hand as to what goes on, or are you guys more of those "living room commentators" of the war who just try to draw conclusions from what you see from the medias distorted perspective?

Just curious...

[Josh]

<=== Checks Mauricio's profile to see what part of the Middle East he is from...or is it Massachusets?

[Denny]

It must be far eastern Mass...

[must"have"ang]

I've never been to Iraq and I've never been to Afghanistan, and frankly I don't want to. I want to finish school and become a teacher/coach. Thats my calling, but I stongly support my fellow Americans and many close friends who have enlisted since 9/11 and are deployed different areas and in the "sandbox" who did feel that Service was their calling.

Pat Tillman did his duty and should be respected, yet so should all the others as well. Yes the media plays on this, its a great story that we dont see everyday due to the situation Pat had. But new daddys and best friends decisions and pre-enlisting lives are also important and interesting too and I like hearing those tales because they remind you that our Enlisted are everyday Americans like you and me.

I'm new here so I don't want to offend or make enemies on this board with my opinions but I'm just proud of all of our troops not just the ones who the media believes makes a huge sacrifice. Many prayers to the Tillman family and I hope we get the Hell out of Iraq sooner than later.

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by Denny
MAURICIO and black01gt-

Have either of you two been over here to witness first hand as to what goes on, or are you guys more of those "living room commentators" of the war who just try to draw conclusions from what you see from the medias distorted perspective?

Just curious...

No, I have never been "there: (assuming you're refering to the middle east) but what does that have to do with anything?
How many of us were in New York on 9/11? I wasn't, but that hasn't stopped everyone from forming an opinion about it.

If you have, tell me about what you have seen? Like I said, please keep the namecalling (living room comentators) in check. I would actually like to read a good reply to my opinions.

[black01gt]

Originally posted by must"have"ang

I'm new here so I don't want to offend or make enemies on this board with my opinions but I'm just proud of all of our troops not just the ones who the media believes makes a huge sacrifice. Many prayers to the Tillman family and I hope we get the Hell out of Iraq sooner than later.
If you don't want to offend anyone or make enemies on this board then you must Praise the almighty Bush and not challenge anything that he says or does, or his "neocon republican army" will "get you". They're much smarter and superior. Just ask em!
(now they're going to say I'm whining)

[black01gt]

Originally posted by Denny
MAURICIO and black01gt-

Have either of you two been over here to witness first hand as to what goes on, or are you guys more of those "living room commentators" of the war who just try to draw conclusions from what you see from the medias distorted perspective?

Just curious...
No! I drew my conclusion before you ever went over there.
"Medias distorted perspective?", tell me it was Bin Laden they pulled out of that hole instead of Hussain and I'll pledge my vote to Bush. Otherwise, I don't feel any safer here in my living room.

[must"have"ang]

Originally posted by black01gt
No! I drew my conclusion before you ever went over there.
"Medias distorted perspective?", tell me it was Bin Laden they pulled out of that hole instead of Hussain and I'll pledge my vote to Bush. Otherwise, I don't feel any safer here in my living room.

I do agree that Hussain being captured doesn't relieve my tensions by any means. Bin Laden would some yes but not that other terrorists cells are showing up everywhere he doesn't seem to be an end to these fears. Now its about Terror being a weapon and the best form of war. Like Guerilla Warfare was a new tactic and best way to fight in South American back in the 60's (my years may be off).

I feel safe in general, maybe because I dont feel like someone would blow up or make an attack on Fort Worth. I would feel unsafe going to New York or D.C. just because the media has pumped those places up as targets making terrorists want to hit there twice as hard to prove they can even though we know it.

[Last5oh]

I just saw reports on the CNN the other day about how Tillman was killed by friendly fire and his death was due to a miscommunication during an ambush . . . . . . .

[black01gt]

Originally posted by must"have"ang

I feel safe in general, maybe because I dont feel like someone would blow up or make an attack on Fort Worth. I would feel unsafe going to New York or D.C. just because the media has pumped those places up as targets making terrorists want to hit there twice as hard to prove they can even though we know it.
I think the terrorists were a little ahead of the media as far as DC & NY being targets. In fact, I'll bet they have others in mind, that the media hasn't pointed out to them yet.
No, Bin Laden dead wouldn't end all fears by any means, but it would be a damn better start than "liberating" Iraq or whatever it is we are doing there.

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by black01gt
I think the terrorists were a little ahead of the media as far as DC & NY being targets. In fact, I'll bet they have others in mind, that the media hasn't pointed out to them yet.
No, Bin Laden dead wouldn't end all fears by any means, but it would be a damn better start than "liberating" Iraq or whatever it is we are doing there.

You are correct, sir. Besides, what is the idea of liberating Iraq all about. I have heard 2 major arguements that don't add up.

1) We are there to liberate those that cannot fend for themselves. We have a responsibility to see that tyrants like Saddm do not inflict attrocities against his own people or other people such as when he attacked Quait.

First of all, the U.S. government could give a rats ass about the well being of countries that are oppressed, exploited or whathaveyou....
If we are the liberators that we pose to be then what about countries such as South Africa, Hanoi, Tibet, Rwanda and so forth? There are many countries that the U.S. knows about that experience the same types of hardships that Iraq has endured but nothing is done about it. Why? Because the U.S. is not interested in making friends. They only have interests.
I'm not knocking the U.S. government for having interests in a country for monetary gain because it insures the financial strength and future of this country BUT, don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me that we are doing it for the sake of the oppressed.

2) We are fighting this war to combat terrorism and keep Sadam from using WMD on his own people or possably us (the United States).

Well, about the WMD's as we know, none were found, just potential to make them. Talk about hypocracy. The U.S. is the only country in history that has actually used the A-bomb on another country (innocents and military personel), still stocks them and has the balls to say that another country should not be allowed to use them on their own people, for testing, on another country or "just in case". That goes for biological or chemical, too.

Anyway, if we are so concerned about combating terrorism, why haven't we went after a KNOWN supporter (financial) of "terrorists" organizations? That's right, our good buddies the oil-rich Arabs? Because the U.S. doesn't have "friends" just interests, remember?

[Denny]

Originally posted by MAURICIO
You are correct, sir. Besides, what is the idea of liberating Iraq all about. I have heard 2 major arguements that don't add up.

1) We are there to liberate those that cannot fend for themselves. We have a responsibility to see that tyrants like Saddm do not inflict attrocities against his own people or other people such as when he attacked Quait.

First of all, the U.S. government could give a rats ass about the well being of countries that are oppressed, exploited or whathaveyou....
If we are the liberators that we pose to be then what about countries such as South Africa, Hanoi, Tibet, Rwanda and so forth? There are many countries that the U.S. knows about that experience the same types of hardships that Iraq has endured but nothing is done about it. Why? Because the U.S. is not interested in making friends. They only have interests.
I'm not knocking the U.S. government for having interests in a country for monetary gain because it insures the financial strength and future of this country BUT, don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me that we are doing it for the sake of the oppressed.

2) We are fighting this war to combat terrorism and keep Sadam from using WMD on his own people or possably us (the United States).

Well, about the WMD's as we know, none were found, just potential to make them. Talk about hypocracy. The U.S. is the only country in history that has actually used the A-bomb on another country (innocents and military personel), still stocks them and has the balls to say that another country should not be allowed to use them on their own people, for testing, on another country or "just in case". That goes for biological or chemical, too.

Anyway, if we are so concerned about combating terrorism, why haven't we went after a KNOWN supporter (financial) of "terrorists" organizations? That's right, our good buddies the oil-rich Arabs? Because the U.S. doesn't have "friends" just interests, remember?


1. We do give a rat's ass about them all all the other above nations mentioned. If you see what we're given to work with, you'd be ashtonished at what's been accomplished. As for not making friends, I could name about a dozen Iraqis that I know personally and would do anything for me and consider me a brother. I'm just one person, how many of us are here? In my opinion, we aren't doing enough, but we are doing more than we can. It is making a difference and since I see it, that's all that matters to me.

2. WMD's... I wish I could comment more, but, well, I'll leave that up to our nation's officials who are appointed to discuss. I'll just sit here and bite my fucking lip, but I'll tell you this; every time I hear someone bring this up in that kind of attitude, I just want to hit a wall or something. And the A-Bomb was probably the best thing to happen to WWII genius!


Dude, I'll call you whatever I want. And right now, you sound so ignorant, whatever I call you probably wouldn't even compute so it's pointless...

[11B2V_Mike]

Originally posted by MAURICIO

2) We are fighting this war to combat terrorism and keep Sadam from using WMD on his own people or possably us (the United States).

Well, about the WMD's as we know, none were found, just potential to make them. Talk about hypocracy. The U.S. is the only country in history that has actually used the A-bomb on another country (innocents and military personel), still stocks them and has the balls to say that another country should not be allowed to use them on their own people, for testing, on another country or "just in case". That goes for biological or chemical, too.



I bet the Kurds could vouch for WMD's.

[Denny]

Originally posted by 11B2V_Mike
I bet the Kurds could vouch for WMD's.

Ya, there's 10's of thousands of examples...

[11B2V_Mike]

Originally posted by Denny
Ya, there's 10's of thousands of examples...

funny the world doesn't seem to want to accept their proof (mass graves and video of villages being gassed).

Guess the burden of proof lies on America 12+ years after the fact:confused:

[davbrucas]

the reason why we know that they have WMD is because we gave them a shitload during the Iran-Iraq war...they same stuff they used on the Kurds...

[Denny]

Originally posted by davbrucas
the reason why we know that they have WMD is because we gave them a shitload during the Iran-Iraq war...they same stuff they used on the Kurds...


Define irony...;)

BTW, Happy Memorial Day, man. And Thanks!!!

[davbrucas]

Originally posted by Denny
Define irony...;)

BTW, Happy Memorial Day, man. And Thanks!!!

and thank you!:cool:

[black01gt]

Originally posted by davbrucas
the reason why we know that they have WMD is because we gave them a shitload during the Iran-Iraq war...they same stuff they used on the Kurds...
And by now, if there were any left, our "good freind" Chalabi has probably made sure the Iranians have em.
We're paying for our own shell game.

[Denny]

Originally posted by black01gt
And by now, if there were any left, our "good freind" Chalabi has probably made sure the Iranians have em.
We're paying for our own shell game.

Not all of them, my brutha;)

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by 11B2V_Mike
funny the world doesn't seem to want to accept their proof (mass graves and video of villages being gassed).

Guess the burden of proof lies on America 12+ years after the fact:confused:

I'm sure that Sadam did some messed up crap as the videos show with undeniable proof. I'm not disputing that.

Remember though, the U.S. used WMD's as an excuse to go to war (along with anti-terrorism) because they felt that they (Iraq)still had them. None were found so now their excuse is anti-terrorism only. Sounds like they are looking for any excuse to go to war with Iraq and have deviated from the person who they claim was responsible for the 9/11 attacks when they found out it wasn't so easy to nail him (Bin Ladin).
Because of their inability to capture Bin Ladin, thousands of innocent people are dieing in Iraq because of the war. That's how I see that.

[Denny]

Originally posted by MAURICIO
I'm sure that Sadam did some messed up crap as the videos show with undeniable proof. I'm not disputing that.

Remember though, the U.S. used WMD's as an excuse to go to war (along with anti-terrorism) because they felt that they (Iraq)still had them. None were found so now their excuse is anti-terrorism only. Sounds like they are looking for any excuse to go to war with Iraq and have deviated from the person who they claim was responsible for the 9/11 attacks when they found out it wasn't so easy to nail him (Bin Ladin).
Because of their inability to capture Bin Ladin, thousands of innocent people are dieing in Iraq because of the war. That's how I see that.

Shit... WMD's were just one of the MANY reasons we did what we did. I can understand why you just stick to one thing. It's what the media pushes the most. That, and the fact that you're 100% sure there's nothing here. Well, hold on, I'll just pack my bags and head back home. I'll try not to step on any toes on the way out.

[11B2V_Mike]

Saddam Hussein needed to be taken out.... period. I don't care if the Bush administration said that Saddam hated the Dallas Cowboys and used that for his excuse to go over there.

It's sad that Bush would even have to have an excuse JUST so most Americans could digest what needed to happen and to make them sleep better at night. Americans need to check their sack and stop acting like the French [puke]. rant off

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by Denny
Shit... WMD's were just one of the MANY reasons we did what we did. I can understand why you just stick to one thing. It's what the media pushes the most. That, and the fact that you're 100% sure there's nothing here. Well, hold on, I'll just pack my bags and head back home. I'll try not to step on any toes on the way out.

OK, you tell me why you guys are there? What do your superiors tell you that you have accomplished by being there besides arresting Sadam? What are your personal reasons for being there? I'm disreguardiing anything that the media says. (I usually do) YOU tell me what you have witnessed 1st hand. I'm all eyes.

[46Tbird]

Dennis isn't in the military. You think his CO would let him online this often? ;)

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Dennis isn't in the military. You think his CO would let him online this often? ;)

Well, what's he talking about "going home"? :confused:

[11B2V_Mike]

Originally posted by MAURICIO
Well, what's he talking about "going home"? :confused:

[Sigh] he isn't in the military but he is over there, hence the " From: Al-Asad Air Base, Iraq" [Sigh]

[Denny]

I'm a civilian contractor (HAZMAT Coordinator for the base). I'm only out hear for HAZMAT purposes... I'm not at liberty to tell you everything I've seen first hand. That would be going outside my lane. I like this job too much to throw it away on explaining everything to some guy on the internet, just to prove one person wrong. But, they're paying me a lot of money to be out here...

[MAURICIO]

Originally posted by Denny
I'm a civilian contractor (HAZMAT Coordinator for the base). I'm only out hear for HAZMAT purposes... I'm not at liberty to tell you everything I've seen first hand. That would be going outside my lane. I like this job too much to throw it away on explaining everything to some guy on the internet, just to prove one person wrong. But, they're paying me a lot of money to be out here...

Cop out.

You should be in politics.

[HookEm]

Originally posted by MAURICIO
Cop out.

You should be in politics.


and you are a serious asshole.

[Denny]

Originally posted by MAURICIO
Cop out.

You should be in politics.

Cop out nothing... you should be a faggot reporter.

[11B2V_Mike]

Please forgive him, his job working the fryer at McDonalds has no need for OPSEC, so understanding its use is unfathomable. Hell, the only time he ever came across CLASSIFIED material was when he was looking for that job of his.

[Denny]

He's got the "secret sauce" Secert clearance!!!

[11B2V_Mike]

Originally posted by Denny
He's got the "secret sauce" Secert clearance!!!

hahahaha, i am sure he would have no qualms about eating all the evidence to avoid being compromised. :eek: :D

[HookEm]

Originally posted by 11B2V_Mike
Please forgive him, his job working the fryer at McDonalds has no need for OPSEC, so understanding its use is unfathomable. Hell, the only time he ever came across CLASSIFIED material was when he was looking for that job of his.

He's still a prick.

[11B2V_Mike]

Originally posted by HookEm
He's still a prick.

I know, i was being a smart ass with the "please forgive him" stuff.:p