thisis the response i get on here

[whiteboy]

?[ QUOTE] i want god to burn you to a crisp with a lightning bolt so you will shut up and stop telling everyone about how much you dont believe in god in a internet theology forum.[/QUOTE]





I would never say this to someone on here! and you PEOPLE think your better?

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by whiteboy
i want god to burn you to a crisp with a lightning bolt so you will shut up and stop telling everyone about how much you dont believe in god in a internet theology forum.

I would never say this to someone on here! and you PEOPLE think your better?


Hey, I dont agree with what slo said. What you need to do is stop grouping everyone in the same catagory. You base all your assumptions on what one person says. Doing that will get you in trouble. All christians do not want to see either you or Big Matt burn in hell. I stated before that there are many of us around here praying for you, whether you like it or not.

[Futurama]

i sure as h3ll hope you arent praying for me.

jeremy knows i dont really want him dead, i just want people to stop trying to force their beliefs, whether it be for or against God on others. i started posting again today out of frusteration, but i only feel worse now.


someone make it stop!

[four5.0snomore]

Can't we all get along?!?!:(

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by MoonDog
I would never say this to someone on here! and you PEOPLE think your better?


Hey, I dont agree with what slo said. What you need to do is stop grouping everyone in the same catagory. You base all your assumptions on what one person says. Doing that will get you in trouble. All christians do not want to see either you or Big Matt burn in hell. I stated before that there are many of us around here praying for you, whether you like it or not. exactly, Whiteboy and slo95.0 chill out. Enough with the drama. I can see how slo95.0 gets fustrated a little. So chill and stop classifying us in the same group, unless you'd like to be judged by your own standards. Or do we need to start "Operation Ignore Whiteboy"?

[Christina03GT]

I dont get some of the people that post in here, saying they believe this and that...then act totally different. Like the people that do bad things all week then go to church on sunday acting like a little angel. Not to mention any names but some people on here are just hypocrits!! Yes, you know who you are. The way someone treats another refelects on how much a person really acts. You believe in God good, if you dont fine. But dont go around saying you're beliefs then act opposite of it. The way you treat(badly) and hurt other people doesnt look good in the man's eyes above.

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i sure as h3ll hope you arent praying for me.

jeremy knows i dont really want him dead, i just want people to stop trying to force their beliefs, whether it be for or against God on others. i started posting again today out of frusteration, but i only feel worse now.


someone make it stop!

It's funny. I haven't really seen anyone in this thread "force" their beliefs on anyone. It's a discussion. Just because you don't like what others are saying, you spout off like this?

You've got issues man

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by Christina
Not to mention any names but some people on here are just hypocrits!! We are all hypocrits

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
It's funny. I haven't really seen anyone in this thread "force" their beliefs on anyone. It's a discussion. Just because you don't like what others are saying, you spout off like this?

You've got issues man thank you captain obvious.

anyone on this site with over 1000 post has issues, you have over 14,000 posts, and i wont say the obvious, since you are the captain, figure it out.

everyone in here is preaching, especially yourself. if you cant admit that, than you are in denial

i am not judging anyone, nor am i pushing my beliefs on anyone, i could give a rats a$$ on whether or not you live a sinful life, go to hell, got molested by a priest and now you dont believe in god or any circumstance.
i dont know you personally so why would i care?? even then, i would tell you to make up your own mind, and that im not gunna influence you, there are plenty of religous people out there just dieing to do that.

[The Big Matt]

I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm expressing my beliefs in a civilized environment, asking questions, in order to increase my knowledge.

If you don't ask questions, or listen to what others think, then what is the point of figuring things out?

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm expressing my beliefs in a civilized environment, asking questions, in order to increase my knowledge.

If you don't ask questions, or listen to what others think, then what is the point of figuring things out? I'll admit, even though we dont agree on just about everything:D , you seem to be a cool guy...:cool: At least you seem civil

[The Big Matt]

I'm a firm believer in believe in what makes you happy. Your beliefs are your's and your's alone.

But be open, and willing to listen. Question what you don't understand, and search for answers. Don't believe because you are told to. Believe because you actually, truly, honestly do believe.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm expressing my beliefs in a civilized environment, asking questions, in order to increase my knowledge.

If you don't ask questions, or listen to what others think, then what is the point of figuring things out? what questions have you asked, i have read your posts, and most of them include how you believe we are worm dirt, and you are 100% confident that you are right, if thats true, then what questions do you have to ask??? a morbid curiosity about how wrong we are and you want to know how far our ignorance goes?? cuz if you are 100% sure about your beliefs, then i dont see any other reason why you would post in here.

[MoonDog]

Matt, Jeremy, I dont know where he's coming from or what issues he has for you guys but I personally have nothing against you two.

Yeah, we disagree on several things but that is life, I try not to push my beliefs on you guys even though I am slip from time to time. I am not perfect and have never claimed to be, I make mistakes just like the next guy but I try to live the way I preach, even though I usually fail miserably. Does this make me a hypocrite, some may think so but to me it just makes me human.

Even though I do not personally know you I do personally care. It is in my nature to care about people regardless of their beliefs and that has nothing to do with my beliefs.

Slo, you do need prayer. For you to have that much anger built up over people you dont even know is a problem and you need to deal with it. And if you truely are a christian you should care for the souls of others regardless if you know them or not.

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
what questions have you asked, i have read your posts, and most of them include how you believe we are worm dirt, and you are 100% confident that you are right, if thats true, then what questions do you have to ask??? a morbid curiosity about how wrong we are and you want to know how far our ignorance goes?? cuz if you are 100% sure about your beliefs, then i dont see any other reason why you would post in here.

I do believe there isn't a god. That doesn't mean I have all the answers to life's mysteries. If I did, I'd be a rich, rich man.

I'm asking questions, because it is interesting to me, to see what others believe, and why they come to those conclusions. I've studied religion on various levels most of my life. I was raised Presbyterian (good old northern irish). I attended school at a Baptist school from prekinder til the 4th grade. I also joined my father's family at thier Catholic church for Easter, Christmas, etc. I also attended Methodist, and Episcopal churches while growing up. I've been educated as far as religion goes. And then when I started having questions I turned to myself, I started reading the bible, I started reading about other religions, Musslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, etc... I've looked at everything. And I just don't have the belief in a higher being.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by MoonDog


Slo, you do need prayer. For you to have that much anger built up over people you dont even know is a problem and you need to deal with it. And if you truely are a christian you should care for the souls of others regardless if you know them or not.

you need to shut your mouth, you have no right whatsoever to tell me what i should and should not do as a christian, my relationship with Christ is between him and myself, and only he has the right, as our savior to make such a judgement on what we should or should not do. you wonder why you get so much flack, you need to realise you are not jesus, and let him do his job, or do you think he is not powerfull enough to do it?? and he needs your help?
you making a judgement like that is as bad as people posting up in this forum saying "god sucks" , plain and simple, you are out of line as much as anyone else in here.

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
you need to shut your mouth, you have no right whatsoever to tell me what i should and should not do as a christian, my relationship with Christ is between him and myself, and only he has the right, as our savior to make such a judgement on what we should or should not do. you wonder why you get so much flack, you need to realise you are not jesus, and let him do his job, or do you think he is not powerfull enough to do it?? and he needs your help?
you making a judgement like that is as bad as people posting up in this forum saying "god sucks" , plain and simple, you are out of line as much as anyone else in here.

you didn't get enough hugs as a child did you?

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
I do believe there isn't a god. That doesn't mean I have all the answers to life's mysteries. If I did, I'd be a rich, rich man.

I'm asking questions, because it is interesting to me, to see what others believe, and why they come to those conclusions. I've studied religion on various levels most of my life. I was raised Presbyterian (good old northern irish). I attended school at a Baptist school from prekinder til the 4th grade. I also joined my father's family at thier Catholic church for Easter, Christmas, etc. I also attended Methodist, and Episcopal churches while growing up. I've been educated as far as religion goes. And then when I started having questions I turned to myself, I started reading the bible, I started reading about other religions, Musslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, etc... I've looked at everything. And I just don't have the belief in a higher being.
i will give you the benifit of the doubt,,, do you actually believe that you will find the answers to life's mysteries on DFWstangs.net theology forum??:confused:

if not, then why are you here?

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i will give you the benifit of the doubt,,, do you actually believe that you will find the answers to life's mysteries on DFWstangs.net theology forum??:confused:

if not, then why are you here?

I'm here to share my beliefs with others who will...

1 - respect me for them
2 - help me learn more about their beliefs
3 - broaden my understanding of religion

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
you didn't get enough hugs as a child did you?

you got raped by a priest didnt you?




by saying such a thing throws out all your so called good natured curiosity, finally your true intentions are obvious

[The Big Matt]

I'm asking you a question, trying to understand your hostility towards people talking about religion.

If you honestly love your relationship with Jesus so much, why wouldn't you want to share it with others?

Just wondering.

and I was never raped. I've always been a big strong boy. I could take a priest at any age.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
I'm here to share my beliefs with others who will...

1 - respect me for them
2 - help me learn more about their beliefs
3 - broaden my understanding of religion


either you are


1. full of $hit

2. stupid and stubborn because you could do all the things on your list better by going to different websites/places

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by slo95.0
you need to shut your mouth, you have no right whatsoever to tell me what i should and should not do as a christian, my relationship with Christ is between him and myself, and only he has the right, as our savior to make such a judgement on what we should or should not do. you wonder why you get so much flack, you need to realise you are not jesus, and let him do his job, or do you think he is not powerfull enough to do it?? and he needs your help?
you making a judgement like that is as bad as people posting up in this forum saying "god sucks" , plain and simple, you are out of line as much as anyone else in here.
I was not judging you at all. I was simply saying that you have some deep rooted problems that you need to deal with.

John wrote that if a person says he loves God but hates his brother then he is a liar.

[The Punisher]

Love your enemies, you dont have to agree with them!:)

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt


If you honestly love your relationship with Jesus so much, why wouldn't you want to share it with others?


i dont love it, i can barely accept the fact that he can forigive heathens such as myself, and i am simply ashamed that i am welcome in his house, and sometimes i wonder if i didnt have my faith, that his work would be better off, but i dont think i make that much of a difference, i am neither moses or judas, i am just someone honest with my feelings, and i share them regardless of what others think, if asked. thats why i dont go to church, because these beliefs have had kept me from being accepted by the so called "holy churches" i have attended.

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
either you are


1. full of $hit

2. stupid and stubborn because you could do all the things on your list better by going to different websites/places

"Stop the cussing or i'll have you banned" - is that what you want to hear?

Man I don't care if you cuss, but seriously, changing one letter, doesn't change your meaning or intention of using it.

And who's to say I don't???

I spend time on here, because I have been a part of this group since before this message board existed. Even though it has grown to the size it has, doesn't mean I shouldn't be here.

This forum was created for those who are on here to discuss their beliefs, no matter what they believe. If someone truly was a Satanist, then he has just as much a right to post up his views as well.

This is a place for all to share their knowledge and beliefs, or learn about other's and what they believe, or get help when they don't know what they believe.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by MoonDog
I was not judging you at all. I was simply saying that you have some deep rooted problems that you need to deal with.

John wrote that if a person says he loves God but hates his brother then he is a liar. i dont care what john says, my beliefs are based on faith and what i get from God himself, and his work that i see. the words and works of man mean nothing to me

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
"Stop the cussing or i'll have you banned" - is that what you want to hear?

Man I don't care if you cuss, but seriously, changing one letter, doesn't change your meaning or intention of using it.

And who's to say I don't???

I spend time on here, because I have been a part of this group since before this message board existed. Even though it has grown to the size it has, doesn't mean I shouldn't be here.

This forum was created for those who are on here to discuss their beliefs, no matter what they believe. If someone truly was a Satanist, then he has just as much a right to post up his views as well.

This is a place for all to share their knowledge and beliefs, or learn about other's and what they believe, or get help when they don't know what they believe. I agree

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
"Stop the cussing or i'll have you banned" - is that what you want to hear?

Man I don't care if you cuss, but seriously, changing one letter, doesn't change your meaning or intention of using it.

And who's to say I don't???

I spend time on here, because I have been a part of this group since before this message board existed. Even though it has grown to the size it has, doesn't mean I shouldn't be here.

This forum was created for those who are on here to discuss their beliefs, no matter what they believe. If someone truly was a Satanist, then he has just as much a right to post up his views as well.

This is a place for all to share their knowledge and beliefs, or learn about other's and what they believe, or get help when they don't know what they believe. i only type that way to obey and respect the rules of this forum, notthing else, i dont believe "curse words" are bad anyway, except when people use Gods name in their cursing.


i wasnt talking about your dfwstangs membership, i was talking about your particaption in this forum. i personally think that with the post that are made in here , this place is a waste of time, if not doing more bad than good and should be dropped.

i think the purpose of the forum is great. but its use on DFWstangs is not what was intended, at least i hope not.

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i dont care what john says, my beliefs are based on faith and what i get from God himself, and his work that i see. the words and works of man mean nothing to me But Jesus also said "Go out and make disciples of all nations". This cant mean keeping God's gift to you (Salvation) to yourself. You have to spread the word.

[The Big Matt]

then if you don't like it, don't post in the forum..

that is a simple alternative

[Futurama]

Originally posted by 281R
But Jesus also said "Go out and make disciples of all nations". This cant mean keeping God's gift to you (Salvation) to yourself. You have to spread the word. that has to be the smartest thing said to me thus far and is something i struggle with everyday.



Originally posted by the big matt
then if you don't like it, don't post in the forum..

that is a simple alternative [/B]

i have just as much right to share my opinion as you, regardless of if either one of us is correct. we are both posting our opinions, for whatever reason. i never said you should leave, i was just curious as to why you are here in the first place.

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i personally think that with the post that are made in here , this place is a waste of time, if not doing more bad than good and should be dropped.

If you feel that posting here is a waste of time, and does more bad than good, why do you post here?

<---trying to understand your logic

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i dont care what john says, my beliefs are based on faith and what i get from God himself, and his work that i see. the words and works of man mean nothing to me
HUH? So can I assume form what you are saying that since you dont care what John says that you also dont care what Matthew, Mark, Luke, Paul, Peter, Jude, as well as every other New and Old Testament writer? Afterall these men were inspired to write what they did by God so the words contained in the Bible are the words of God and not of men.

If you dont care what these "men" say then where do you get your information about what God wants from you? It cant be the bible since it was written by "men". Does God speak to you personally?

[Futurama]

Originally posted by MoonDog
HUH? So can I assume form what you are saying that since you dont care what John says that you also dont care what Matthew, Mark, Luke, Paul, Peter, Jude, as well as every other New and Old Testament writer? Afterall these men were inspired to write what they did by God so the words contained in the Bible are the words of God and not of men.

correct, i dont. one of the reasons why i have trouble with the gospel in the first place, i have doubts on certain things, but i have faith in the fundamental parts.
if i go into more detail i will just sound crazy,next thing you will ask if god calls me on the phone.


Originally posted by the big matt

If you feel that posting here is a waste of time, and does more bad than good, why do you post here?

<---trying to understand your logic

i feel that posting in here is a waste of time based on the assumption that the people that run this forum want to bring people closer to God and start relationships with him.


but that is my opinion on why this forum exists, it is not neccesarilly correct. understand?

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by slo95.0
correct, i dont. one of the reasons why i have trouble with the gospel in the first place, i have doubts on certain things, but i have faith in the fundamental parts.
if i go into more detail i will just sound crazy,next thing you will ask if god calls me on the phone.

Then by your own admittance your not a Christian because a Christian holds the Bible as Gods word. Thats fine, I wont hold it against you.

I think you sound crazy anyway so explaining would change a thing. :p Heck, I have some beliefs that are not necessarily the norm and may even sound crazy to some. I dont agree with everyone and not everyone agrees with me.

[Monsoon X]

Goodness. Would you people learn to have intelligent discussions?!!!!

I'm trying to work and sell car parts here! I don't have to time to babysit people who can't behave.

Slo- You're too emotional. One thing to learn if you're gonna talk about the Gospel, is to remain calm when you get personally attacked by someone who has a great disdain for God and religion.

"$hit" is having one foot over the line drawn for the rules in this forum. Other than that, people don't have to agree or even like God to post in this discussion. They only need to be able to articulately express the reasons why. (Maybe not in Jeremy's case but, you gotta excuse him, he's from Garland)

If you don't like it then, don't post here.

Keep it up and this will be locked.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by MoonDog
Then by your own admittance your not a Christian because a Christian holds the Bible as Gods word. Thats fine, I wont hold it against you.

I think you sound crazy anyway so explaining would change a thing. :p Heck, I have some beliefs that are not necessarily the norm and may even sound crazy to some. I dont agree with everyone and not everyone agrees with me. there you go again, thinking you are jesus and you can write who you choose into the book of life. should i start worshipping you?? or is it too late?

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by slo95.0
correct, i dont. one of the reasons why i have trouble with the gospel in the first place, i have doubts on certain things, but i have faith in the fundamental parts.


Where did you get the fundamental parts?

[The Big Matt]

Originally posted by slo95.0
there you go again, thinking you are jesus and you can write who you choose into the book of life. should i start worshipping you?? or is it too late?

He's not making the rules. Those are the rules of Christianity... Following the bible is what it entails

[Futurama]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Where did you get the fundamental parts? from what i prayed about and that i truly believe. i dont have to believe in Esom or jacob or such people to know Jesus is my savior, im not saying i dont belive in esom and jacob, i just believe more strongly in certain other things, and i concentrate on those things.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
He's not making the rules. Those are the rules of Christianity... Following the bible is what it entails then we have 2 different opinions about what a christian is. and that is ok with me

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by slo95.0
from what i prayed about and that i truly believe. i dont have to believe in Esom or jacob or such people to know Jesus is my savior, im not saying i dont belive in esom and jacob, i just believe more strongly in certain other things, and i concentrate on those things.

You have fervor for the Lord and it's all good but, I have a question:

How can you believe in Jesus but, not his forefathers? Your chain will not be strong if the links are weak. How can you believe in Jesus yet do not believe in the events leading up to his ministry?

Your faith will never be complete if you keep feeling this way. You need to study to find the answers to the questions that you have. Answer the doubts. You have to reconcile them, not dismiss them.

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by slo95.0
there you go again, thinking you are jesus and you can write who you choose into the book of life. should i start worshipping you?? or is it too late?
Oh my gosh! You dont believe what any of the biblical writers wrote. The bible is the word of God. If you dont believe what is written then you dont believe that it is Gods word. If you dont believe that it is Gods word then you cant be a Christian. How in the world is that making me out to be God/Jesus?

Christains get their fundamental teaching about God and Jesus from the bible and prayer, you dont. There is no way that a person can know everything that they want to about the Christian God strictly through nature. That is a humanistic teaching.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
You have fervor for the Lord and it's all good but, I have a question:

How can you believe in Jesus but, not his forefathers? Your chain will not be strong if the links are weak. How can you believe in Jesus yet do not believe in the events leading up to his ministry?

Your faith will never be complete if you keep feeling this way. You need to study to find the answers to the questions that you have. Answer the doubts. You have to reconcile them, not dismiss them. i agree, i am skeptical abou the details, someday i may feel different. whatever happens, i hope its the right thing, and it still comes down to faith.

[The Big Matt]

Another question...

How do you believe in Jesus, if you don't believe in the bible?

That's where the information on Jesus comes from

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by slo95.0
i agree, i am skeptical abou the details, someday i may feel different. whatever happens, i hope its the right thing, and it still comes down to faith.


Then you need to answer the details and become a "true" believer. Yes, Faith is the key and yours is full of holes.




Bluntly put but, still in love.
JC

[Futurama]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
Another question...

How do you believe in Jesus, if you don't believe in the bible?

That's where the information on Jesus comes from i believe in jesus, becaused i have prayed to him, he has answered me, and i feel his prescense.

the parts i dont believe are parts of the bible that i have not studied, and have not prayed on, there for i dont have as much faith in them, though i am not saying that i dont believe.

[The Big Matt]

True

Your definition of Christian - One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ

Common Christian definition - One who follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Then you need to answer the details and become a "true" believer. Yes, Faith is the key and yours is full of holes.




Bluntly put but, still in love.
JC i appreciate your bluntness, its something that i learn from

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by slo95.0

the parts i dont believe are parts of the bible that i have not studied, and have not prayed on, there for i dont have as much faith in them, though i am not saying that i dont believe.

The bible is the true word of God. 2 Timothy 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Since you believe in Jesus and you feel His prescence, how would He feel about you telling everyone that you don't believe in His Father's word, simply based on your lack of research?

Does that sound like a strong faith?

[Futurama]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
The bible is the true word of God. 2 Timothy 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Since you believe in Jesus and you feel His prescence, how would He feel about you telling everyone that you don't believe in His Father's word, simply based on your lack of research?

Does that sound like a strong faith? having someone question the strength of my faith is not as important as being 100% honest about my feelings on any part of the bible, there are too many people preaching the bible as truth when they havent even read the entire book, much less studied and prayed over all of it.

this is one of the reasons i got out of the ministry, i am not saying the entire bible is not valid and true, i have faith that God would not allow the word to be corrupted.
i am saying that i will not give my endorsoment on any parts that i have not studied and prayed about, and that anyone christian or not should decide for themselves whether they believe it to be true, regardless of how i feel.

[four5.0snomore]

Originally posted by slo95.0
having someone question the strength of my faith is not as important as being 100% honest about my feelings on any part of the bible, there are too many people preaching the bible as truth when they havent even read the entire book, much less studied and prayed over all of it.

this is one of the reasons i got out of the ministry, i am not saying the entire bible is not valid and true, i have faith that God would not allow the word to be corrupted.
i am saying that i will not give my endorsoment on any parts that i have not studied and prayed about, and that anyone christian or not should decide for themselves whether they believe it to be true, regardless of how i feel.

God's word is true regardless of if I accept it or not...and to not accept it would be sin, calling God a liar, slapping Christ (THE WORD) in the face...shall I go on?

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by slo95.0
having someone question the strength of my faith is not as important as being 100% honest about my feelings on any part of the bible, there are too many people preaching the bible as truth when they havent even read the entire book, much less studied and prayed over all of it.

this is one of the reasons i got out of the ministry, i am not saying the entire bible is not valid and true, i have faith that God would not allow the word to be corrupted.
i am saying that i will not give my endorsoment on any parts that i have not studied and prayed about, and that anyone christian or not should decide for themselves whether they believe it to be true, regardless of how i feel.

You know, I can understand this. But this is a far cry from saying that you don't believe in Esau or Jacob. Maybe you just didn't convey your feelings clearly?

It sounds like you let some "people" take you off the path. Focus on the word and not the people. People will run you out of a church if you let them. Ezekiel was wrought over the Children of Israel but, he stayed the course.

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by slo95.0
having someone question the strength of my faith is not as important as being 100% honest about my feelings on any part of the bible, there are too many people preaching the bible as truth when they havent even read the entire book, much less studied and prayed over all of it.

this is one of the reasons i got out of the ministry, i am not saying the entire bible is not valid and true, i have faith that God would not allow the word to be corrupted.
i am saying that i will not give my endorsoment on any parts that i have not studied and prayed about, and that anyone christian or not should decide for themselves whether they believe it to be true, regardless of how i feel.

Nice post.

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by four5.0snomore
God's word is true regardless of if I accept it or not...and to not accept it would be sin, calling God a liar, slapping Christ (THE WORD) in the face...shall I go on?
Well said. I believe everything in the bible regardless if I understand it or not. I may never understand everything it says but that does not make it anyless true. God can not and does not lie.

[Futurama]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
You know, I can understand this. But this is a far cry from saying that you don't believe in Esau or Jacob. Maybe you just didn't convey your feelings clearly?
. sorry if i gave you the wrong idea. im glad you understand now

[Josh]

Originally posted by slo95.0
having someone question the strength of my faith is not as important as being 100% honest about my feelings on any part of the bible, there are too many people preaching the bible as truth when they havent even read the entire book, much less studied and prayed over all of it.

this is one of the reasons i got out of the ministry, i am not saying the entire bible is not valid and true, i have faith that God would not allow the word to be corrupted.
i am saying that i will not give my endorsoment on any parts that i have not studied and prayed about, and that anyone christian or not should decide for themselves whether they believe it to be true, regardless of how i feel.

God sure is cunfusing huh? I mean why does he reveal the authenticity of his word to you and not us. Do you think he is inspiring you with these feelings? Is he telling you that parts of his word are inncorrect or corrupt, while telling me that they are correct and faithfull? Why would he confuse us like that?
You say you believe that God has the power to let his word be tainted. I'll one up you, I believe that God is soveriegn enough to sustaing his message written to us.

You really need to study on how well perserved and authentic the Bible really is. The evidnece is overwhellming that the New Testiment, which you doubt, is very accurate to the original story. Pick up a copy of The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.

The problem of doubt often arises out of our own ignorance. We
don't understand a subject, such as this, so we let our own feelings supercede the Word of God. Emotion displaces faith.

Remember, God is not the author of confusion.

[project88stang]

Thou shall not judge.

[project88stang]

One of my favorite parts of the bible is when Jesus says.." You must first pull the wood plank out of your eye before pointing out a splinter in anothers." You all are going on back and forth and really not listening to what you are saying. Stop and think before you react.

[four5.0snomore]

Originally posted by Josh


The problem of doubt often arises out of our own ignorance. We
don't understand a subject, such as this, so we let our own feelings supercede the Word of God. Emotion displaces faith.

Remember, God is not the author of confusion.

Josh,

It is time for you to write a book! The church needs to hear that today!

Lee

[four5.0snomore]

Originally posted by project88stang
One of my favorite parts of the bible is when Jesus says.." You must first pull the wood plank out of your eye before pointing out a splinter in anothers." You all are going on back and forth and really not listening to what you are saying. Stop and think before you react.

I also read read where it says ,"Judge rightly!" ;)

I guess we will not go there...

Also, I do not know you so this may or may not apply, but the people that quote that above referenced scripture are just like the ones that don't quote it - sinners deserving of hell! - we are in the same boat.