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Does anybody have a fast tow vehicle (diesel)? Ever made a pass in it?
I have always had Powerstrokes but just bought a '01 Dodge with a Cummings and it will kill my powerstroke trucks in a drag race.
SNEAKY
03-07-2004, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by sDun
Does anybody have a fast tow vehicle (diesel)? Ever made a pass in it?
I have always had Powerstrokes but just bought a '01 Dodge with a Cummings and it will kill my powerstroke trucks in a drag race.
LMAO, i bet forrest will buy you a beer for switching brands.
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 09:58 PM
I Got a 99 PSD F-250:cool:
Tweaked Blazer
03-07-2004, 09:59 PM
there was a f250 and excursion running.the f250 ran 10.00 at 76 but the excusion ran a damn 9.50.pretty good for a big boat.:)
I think that I can go in the 8s at Redline pretty easy if I can get some traction.
crazed02pony Be carefull unless you have one bad PS.
SNEAKY
03-07-2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by sDun
I think that I can go in the 8s at Redline pretty easy if I can get some traction.
crazed02pony Be carefull unless you have one bad PS. with trailer and car in tow?
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by SNEAKY
with trailer and car in tow?
Maby with just the trailer.
SNEAKY
03-07-2004, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Crazed02Pony
oh, dont think i am on your side. i will take the little inline 6 over the 7.3-6.0 ant day.
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:10 PM
What mods does the truck have???
A lot There seems to be a whole bunch more to do to a Dodge than a PS. I will say it has a Aeromotive fuel system.:eek:
OrangeS10
03-07-2004, 10:14 PM
The Inline 6 is a torque monster. The V8 is a gas guzzler. The 6 is easy to work on. The V8 is hard to work on. The frames suck on the dodges is there biggest problem. I have welded up many where they crack on the crossover. The dodge is a better motor, I had a mechanic tell me the new 6.0 is a turd. Our 7.3 is not how ever, it pulls the hell out of any thing we hook behind it!
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by sDun
A lot There seems to be a whole bunch more to do to a Dodge than a PS. I will say it has a Aeromotive fuel system.:eek:
WOW!!!!!:rolleyes:
musclestang89
03-07-2004, 10:32 PM
I was gonig to run my 00 Powerstroke tonight at Kennedale but man were they busy. So I decided not to. Right now its bone stock.
But it is getting a converter, chip, and later it will get exhaust. :D
They have a box for the Dodge that gives it another 175hp over stock. 5 different levels of hp on the fly with 5 sub levels to control fuel(smoke) before boost.
Mine makes about 45psi now.
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:36 PM
so how much hp and ft/lbs are you putting down??
I don't know Brian wouldn't let me dyno it. They had one with twin turbos in there that filled up the building with smoke for an hour or so. Maby 400 or so to the tires and around 800lbs of tq. It has a dtt converter and trans, shifts like a mf.
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:41 PM
i'm at 320 hp and 700 ft/lbs
I would like to dyno it sometime. I am going to check into a different set of injectors. I have a set of DD3s(100hp) in it now but I talked to a guy that said their is a new injector out that makes the same power but smokes less.
Crazed02Pony
03-07-2004, 10:52 PM
i have a banks system that im getting in the near future
Jerry
03-07-2004, 11:15 PM
I have a 7.3 PSD w/ a medium HP 2 position chip (probably 65-85), exhaust, and a shift kit and I don't want any part of a Cummins. I think the heads on the 7.3 suck as far as airflow goes. The new 6.0 24V is the only hope the Ford Truck guys have at hanging w/ the Dodge from an airflow perspective but we still may not have the fuel system to feed the beast.
How do you like the rest of the truck? I think mine would run a high 9 if I launched in 4 wheel drive. It may be able to do better than that if I gave it some brake on the line but I'm not interested in swapping trannys on this beast so I have never braked it from a stop: I leave the drag racing carnage for the stang ;)
So far I haven't had any problems with it. It has 90k on it and I pull a trailer/tractor that weighs around 8500lbs and the suspension handles it very well. It's a 2500 quad cab single rear weel.
The worst thing about it, is it's starting to look pretty good to me.
Does this mean the Dodge brain washing is complete?
J-MAN
03-08-2004, 11:39 PM
There was a 03 6.0 CC 4X4 at HRP, that went 13.90@98 with a 115 horse chip and an CAI. Went 1.88 60' leaving in 4HI.
Mach1Marauder
03-09-2004, 01:14 AM
SHEEEEESH!
I'll tie on to ANY of your trucks and drag your asses all over the place with my 7.8 turbo Ford! :p :p :p
Cooter
03-09-2004, 05:11 AM
my truck's a slug from a dead stop due to the manual tranny, but I'll run any diesel on this board from a high roll! :D (sounds like you may have me covered sDun, but at least it'd be fun!!)
'97 dodge 2500, 4k GSK, # 6 plate full forward, 370 injectors, SBC OFE clutch, hx40-16w... she creeps to 45psi ;)
the 6.0 PSD's are junk... go to thedieselstop.com and check out some of the 6.0 posts before they get locked/deleted :rolleyes:
actually, all PSD's are junk when you stack 'em up next to the Cummins... find me a PSD making 1000+hp, and I'll kiss your ass... plenty of 5.9 Cummins doing it on stock bottom ends. the better fuel economy is icing on the cake.
Powerstroke = PowerHOAX :p
Forrest
Mach1Marauder
03-09-2004, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Forrest
my truck's a slug from a dead stop due to the manual tranny, but I'll run any diesel on this board from a high roll! :D (sounds like you may have me covered sDun, but at least it'd be fun!!)
'97 dodge 2500, 4k GSK, # 6 plate full forward, 370 injectors, SBC OFE clutch, hx40-16w... she creeps to 45psi ;)
the 6.0 PSD's are junk... go to thedieselstop.com and check out some of the 6.0 posts before they get locked/deleted :rolleyes:
actually, all PSD's are junk when you stack 'em up next to the Cummins... find me a PSD making 1000+hp, and I'll kiss your ass... plenty of 5.9 Cummins doing it on stock bottom ends. the better fuel economy is icing on the cake.
Powerstroke = PowerHOAX :p
Forrest
Awwwwww......But how long can dat little Cummins run that much HP when pullin a load..........EGTs thru da roof!
Cooter
03-09-2004, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Mach1Marauder
Awwwwww......But how long can dat little Cummins run that much HP when pullin a load..........EGTs thru da roof!
well, you don't need 1000hp to pull a 4 car low-boy... but with a good set of twins, you could pull plenty enough to have the DOT take notice at 100mph+ w/ ease...
I'm creeping to 45psi at high RPM, and I'll see 1500* on the pyro at about 110mph from a 70 punch in 5th. if I had a mild set of twins making ~50psi with the same fueling, I bet I'd be hard pressed to see 1200* on the same exact run.
Forrest <-- wants twins!! :(
Relinquished
03-09-2004, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by sDun
Does anybody have a fast tow vehicle (diesel)? Ever made a pass in it?
I have always had Powerstrokes but just bought a '01 Dodge with a Cummings and it will kill my powerstroke trucks in a drag race. seen one in orlando at FFW do mid 12's:eek:
whose turbo are you running Forrest? With my PDR HX-40 the egt is not that bad. The DD3s are a little big to tow that big if a load with the 40 so I have the stock ones in it now. Are you running a comp box? I have a chip in mine that gives me another 50hp in the 5 5 setting.
I don't know if I want to go with twins on my bread&butter work truck. I was thinking about one of the B1s.
You guys just wait til I buy me a Cummins!!!
GRAYHORSE
03-09-2004, 07:16 PM
I didnt know the 6.0 was so bad. :(
Crazed02Pony
03-09-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by GRAYHORSE
I didnt know the 6.0 was so bad. :(
I was told buy a Ford Salesman that i was better off with 7.3 until they work out the issues with the 6.0:eek:
grape
03-09-2004, 07:40 PM
dad's ford dually he drives everyday runs 9.70's at kennedale.
92lxstang
03-09-2004, 07:44 PM
This weekend I was riding in my buddie's '04 F250 PSD FX4 Crew Cab truck with a 6.0 in it pulling a trailer and a '97 Ranger. It is bone stock and that thing feels pretty damn good. We raced another truck on the way home. It was a '03 F350 PSD 4x4 Crew Cab with a 7.3 and had Banks Power Pack, exhaust, etc. etc. He was pulling a trailer and a Bronco on the trailer. The 6.0 beat the 7.3 pretty bad.:eek: I have never rode in a Cummins before, but I was impressed with the PSD 6.0.
Cooter
03-09-2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by sDun
whose turbo are you running Forrest? With my PDR HX-40 the egt is not that bad. The DD3s are a little big to tow that big if a load with the 40 so I have the stock ones in it now. Are you running a comp box? I have a chip in mine that gives me another 50hp in the 5 5 setting.
I don't know if I want to go with twins on my bread&butter work truck. I was thinking about one of the B1s.
I've got a Majestic built HX40... it's just stock spec junk... not high falutin' like the PDR stuff (but it was a lot cheaper too! :D )
the reason your EGT isn't bad is the stock injectors... put those DD3's in there, and let your right foot control your EGT's!! :cool:
I've got a properly valved truck ;) so I don't have no stinkin' computer, just a big nasty 215 P-pump... all mechanical
the B1's sound nice, but I can build a twin setup that'll spool up quicker and have lower EGT's for less than one of those things cost! :eek: lots of guys have twins on their dailys... about the biggest hurdle I see is the actual buildup downtime... whereas the B1 is pretty much a bolt on deal. but for me, twins are the only way to fly. but if I had the money, I'd plunk on some EDM's, a B1, and a Snow Performance water injection setup...
if you've got stock injectors, I might give you a run for your money ;)
Forrest
Cooter
03-09-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by AL P
You guys just wait til I buy me a Cummins!!!
get one!!!! they're fun as hell... big, loud, nasty, smelly, smokey, smog exempt, and peppy enough to get through traffic pretty good. cops don't pay any attention to ya either...
having a "fast" one can get pretty damn expensive, pretty damn quick, but having one that's quick for what it is and is really enjoyable can be done on a budget... BUT, the cool thing about them is if you DO build a "fast" one the right way, it'll stay that way for a long time and still serve as a daily driver... lots of guys w/ 700+hp twin fed trucks that see daily driving/hauling duties! :D
Forrest
GRAYHORSE
03-09-2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by 92lxstang
This weekend I was riding in my buddie's '04 F250 PSD FX4 Crew Cab truck with a 6.0 in it pulling a trailer and a '97 Ranger. It is bone stock and that thing feels pretty damn good. We raced another truck on the way home. It was a '03 F350 PSD 4x4 Crew Cab with a 7.3 and had Banks Power Pack, exhaust, etc. etc. He was pulling a trailer and a Bronco on the trailer. The 6.0 beat the 7.3 pretty bad.:eek: I have never rode in a Cummins before, but I was impressed with the PSD 6.0.
w00t w00t!! :D
http://www.dfwstangs.com/hosting/GRAYHORSE/disel.jpg
Even if you had a cummins, you'd have to drive an ugly ass truck!! :p
Cooter
03-09-2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by GRAYHORSE
Even if you had a cummins, you'd have to drive an ugly ass truck!! :p
as much as I love Ford trucks, I wouldn't buy a Powerchoke with my worst enemy's money! (though I think Dodges look good too)
but hey, if you're cool with looking good stranded on the side of the road or getting drug down the highway by a Cummins, more power to ya! :D
Forrest
With the dd3s the egt would come up pretty quick, but it's fun. It doesn't take very long to change em for a quick blast down the hwy.:D
The HX40 was about half of one of the B1s. The nice thing about the comp box is that I can turn it down when pulling the trailer with the big injectors.
What do you know about Mark Kendrick. He is supost to have a pretty nice twin set up.
GRAYHORSE
03-09-2004, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Forrest
as much as I love Ford trucks, I wouldn't buy a Powerchoke with my worst enemy's money! (though I think Dodges look good too)
but hey, if you're cool with looking good stranded on the side of the road or getting drug down the highway by a Cummins, more power to ya! :D
Forrest
I heard that ford owns cummings and is waiting for a contract with dodge to end. Is this true?? :confused:
Wild Stallion
03-09-2004, 08:55 PM
sDun and Forrest, go to a Clash of the Titans and enter up in the Diesel Madness class, There's a Cummins that run's 11.98 in the quarter, but he got smoked by a 6.0 PSD that ran 11.18/126 mph through the traps. How many cars can do that? BTW this was at COTT houston last summer.
These guys sorta resembled Bryan at Houston's FFW last year, looked like a slug with indegestion up to the 330' mark, then someone lit a rocket in their ass!
The biggest problem with the hopped up deisels at the dragstrip is the FAST ones are running like a 6" down pipe exiting right behind the front tire on the passengers side and the smoke fucks up the staging beams.
OrangeS10
03-09-2004, 08:59 PM
NO Ford does not own Cummings! They have a contract with them and are putting the Cummings in the 450's and up already. Dodge will have Cummings for another year or so I think. THey will be using a Mercades diesle since they are owned by them now.
Cooter
03-09-2004, 09:36 PM
my god, the misinformation is getting thick...
1. it's CUMMINS... no "G"
with that out of the way:
2. Ford does not own Cummins... in fact, I believe they sold the rest of their stock fairly recently. they were not the majority stock holder... lots of companies own stock in other companies, that does not mean that they "own" them
3. in October Dodge signed Cummins for another 5 years or more... there was talk of using a Mercedes diesel a while back, but it would drive costs up and probably drive customers away.
4. Ford offers the 5.9 B series Cummins in their F650's and F750's
as for the drag trucks, the quickest diesel powered trucks are Cummins powered. and the Diesel drag racing association requires either a stack/stacks or a REAR EXIT tail pipe to prevent messing w/ the lights
Cooter
03-09-2004, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by sDun
With the dd3s the egt would come up pretty quick, but it's fun. It doesn't take very long to change em for a quick blast down the hwy.:D
The HX40 was about half of one of the B1s. The nice thing about the comp box is that I can turn it down when pulling the trailer with the big injectors.
What do you know about Mark Kendrick. He is supost to have a pretty nice twin set up.
Mark seems like a good guy, and his twin setups seem laid out well enough, but I haven't seen any hard numbers from them... but it isn't rocket science.
as for turning down the fuel when pulling? that's what my right foot is for! ;)
actually, us 12 valve guys can put valet switches on to kill power at the flip of a switch, and making a variable valet isn't difficult, but I prefer to have it all right there when I want/need it...
a given load at a given speed will require a given amount of fuel to yield a given EGT... so just go easier on the #2 pedal. (though if I had a 24v, I'd definately enjoy different settings at the flip of a switch!)
I hope you've got a fuel pressure gauge between the lift pump and the injection pump!!! :eek:
Forrest
Yea I've got isspro fuel,boost, and egt guages. I've got a big fuel system feeding the vp-44. Not enough money left over from the coupes dart block/Victor head combo for twins. I really thought about a turbo upgrade on the truck though.
musclestang89
03-09-2004, 10:53 PM
damn yall guys are crazy. Heck my little 00 F250 is just bone stock and I really like it. It will get a few mods but not alot like yall are talking about.
we need to have a diesel GTG:D
Cooter
03-09-2004, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by sDun
Yea I've got isspro fuel,boost, and egt guages. I've got a big fuel system feeding the vp-44. Not enough money left over from the coupes dart block/Victor head combo for twins. I really thought about a turbo upgrade on the truck though.
sweet! did you build that truck up or did you buy it like that? I bought mine like this... got a killer deal on it... I put the turbo on it, but it already had everything else.
the problem w/ twins for me isn't the cost of the twin setup itself... it's the cost of everything else I'd be doing at the same time... o-ring/stud the head, delivery valves, EDM injectors, etc. etc. (maybe a different clutch?! $$$$$!!!!! :( )
I don't really want to make much more boost w/ the stock head gasket, so the truck is probably gonna stay as it is for a while... the only thing I want to do is get a different plate that'll bring in full fuel at lower RPM.
Forrest
Cooter
03-09-2004, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by musclestang89
damn yall guys are crazy. Heck my little 00 F250 is just bone stock and I really like it. It will get a few mods but not alot like yall are talking about.
we need to have a diesel GTG:D
and you'll thoroughly enjoy your truck!!! diesel performance is addictive... moreso to me than gas stuff right now... hopefully your mustang will fill your need for performance, and you won't throw much money at the truck... just hop it up a little bit, and it'll feel like a totally different vehicle!!! you'll love it that much more.
Forrest
Crazed02Pony
03-10-2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by musclestang89
damn yall guys are crazy. Heck my little 00 F250 is just bone stock and I really like it. It will get a few mods but not alot like yall are talking about.
we need to have a diesel GTG:D
That would be sweet......i'm in if it happens!!!:cool:
GR8WHITE
03-10-2004, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Forrest
get one!!!! they're fun as hell... big, loud, nasty, smelly, smokey, smog exempt, and peppy enough to get through traffic pretty good. cops don't pay any attention to ya either...
having a "fast" one can get pretty damn expensive, pretty damn quick, but having one that's quick for what it is and is really enjoyable can be done on a budget... BUT, the cool thing about them is if you DO build a "fast" one the right way, it'll stay that way for a long time and still serve as a daily driver... lots of guys w/ 700+hp twin fed trucks that see daily driving/hauling duties! :D
Forrest
Damn! I was looking at some of the new 6.0's-from what I hear on this post I need to be shopping for a 5.9 24V......Good info, have to look into these Cummins, they seem to have a strong following and nobody ever talks bad about them! Hmmm.......:D
i have an IDI (older ford befor PS) and its still peppy for what it is takes me about 14-15 seconds to get the 60, and its n/a but hey when it came to pullin the car hauler it dosent complane
Cooter
03-10-2004, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by GR8WHITE
Damn! I was looking at some of the new 6.0's-from what I hear on this post I need to be shopping for a 5.9 24V......Good info, have to look into these Cummins, they seem to have a strong following and nobody ever talks bad about them! Hmmm.......:D
if you want bang for the buck, shop for a 12v... much cheaper/easier to hop up... you can add enough power to have the stock clutch begging for mercy for free basicly.
Forrest
plus you find some lil bitch ricer and trow a rev at him and now he is Blackend rice :D :D :D
thats the best part of owning a hotrod diesel.
1. you find some young girl in a little car w/ the window down
2. position yourself so your right rear tire is even with her door
3. lift off of the throttle until the turbo spools down
4. Stand on it and watch the show in your pass. side mirror
I have perfected this so you can sometimes actually see smoke come out of their pass. window.:D
musclestang89
03-11-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by sDun
thats the best part of owning a hotrod diesel.
1. you find some young girl in a little car w/ the window down
2. position yourself so your right rear tire is even with her door
3. lift off of the throttle until the turbo spools down
4. Stand on it and watch the show in your pass. side mirror
I have perfected this so you can sometimes actually see smoke come out of their pass. window.:D
LMAO:D
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